Hide the Vaccine Failure: UKHSA Caves to Pressure and Removes Chart Showing Higher Infection Rates in the Vaccinated – as Effectiveness Hits New Low of Minus-132%

It appears the critics finally got to the U.K. Health Security Agency (UKHSA). The new Vaccine Surveillance report, released on Thursday, has been purged of the offending chart showing infection rates higher in the double-vaccinated than the unvaccinated for all over-30s and more than double the rates for those aged 40-79.

In its place we now have a table similar to the one below that I have been producing for the Daily Sceptic each week (though without the vaccine effectiveness estimates), and a whole lot more explanation and qualification.

Here are our updated charts of unadjusted vaccine effectiveness over time from real-world data in England.

The figures this week continue to worsen for the vaccinated, with unadjusted vaccine effectiveness against infection hitting minus-31% for people in their 30s, minus-132% for people in their 40s, minus-113% for those in their 50s, minus-114% for those in their 60s, and minus-104% for those in their 70s. For those over 80 it rose slightly to a still abysmal minus-30%, from minus-34% last week. Vaccine effectiveness remains positive for those under 30, though for 18-29 year-olds it slipped again to just 21%. It is still highly positive for those under 18, though dropped slightly for the first time to 81%, from 90% the previous week. Vaccine effectiveness against hospitalisation and death remained largely stable this week, meaning there’s no sign yet of the sharp decline found in the recent Swedish study.

It was welcome to see the UKHSA robustly defend its use of the NIMS population data against the criticisms levelled at it by, among others, David Spiegelhalter, who called it “deeply untrustworthy and completely unacceptable”, with the higher infection rates in the vaccinated “simply an artefact due to using clearly inappropriate estimates of the population”. The report counters:

The potential sources of denominator data are either the National Immunisation Management Service (NIMS) or the Office for National Statistics (ONS) mid-year population estimates. Each source has its strengths and limitations which have been described in detail here and here.

NIMS may over-estimate denominators in some age groups, for example because people are registered with the NHS but may have moved abroad, but as it is a dynamic register, such patients, once identified by the NHS, are able to be removed from the denominator. On the other hand, ONS data uses population estimates based on the 2011 census and other sources of data. When using ONS, vaccine coverage exceeds 100% of the population in some age groups, which would in turn lead to a negative denominator when calculating the size of the unvaccinated population.

UKHSA uses NIMS throughout its COVID-19 surveillance reports including in the calculation rates of COVID-19 infection, hospitalisation and deaths by vaccination status because it is a dynamic database of named individuals, where the numerator and the denominator come from the same source and there is a record of each individual’s vaccination status. Additionally, NIMS contains key sociodemographic variables for those who are targeted for and then receive the vaccine, providing a rich and consistently coded data source for evaluation of the vaccine programme. Large scale efforts to contact people in the register will result in the identification of people who may be overcounted, thus affording opportunities to improve accuracy in a dynamic fashion that feeds immediately into vaccine uptake statistics and informs local vaccination efforts.

Much less welcome was the report’s reinforcement of the claim that its data should not be used to estimate vaccine effectiveness. Earlier in the week, Dr Mary Ramsay, Head of Immunisation at the UKHSA, had said: “The report clearly explains that the vaccination status of cases, inpatients and deaths should not be used to assess vaccine effectiveness and there is a high risk of misinterpreting this data because of differences in risk, behaviour and testing in the vaccinated and unvaccinated populations.” I had pointed out that this was false, the report did not “clearly explain” that its data “should not be used to assess vaccine effectiveness”. Rather, it said it was “not the most appropriate method to assess vaccine effectiveness and there is a high risk of misinterpretation”, which (correctly) leaves open that it can be used for this purpose provided the risks of misinterpretation are addressed.

Now, though, the text of the report aligns with Dr Ramsay’s statement. It says: “Comparing case rates among vaccinated and unvaccinated populations should not be used to estimate vaccine effectiveness against COVID-19 infection.”

It is difficult to overstate how outrageous this is. It amounts to Government attempting to redefine a basic concept of immunology, vaccine effectiveness, because it is not currently giving the ‘correct’ answer for the Government’s narrative. It is in fact a false statement. Comparing case rates among vaccinated and unvaccinated groups not only may be used to estimate vaccine effectiveness, it is the definition of vaccine effectiveness, namely the reduction in infection rates in the vaccinated compared to the unvaccinated. Of course, any biases in the data ought to be identified and, where possible, adjusted or controlled for. But that doesn’t mean population data “should not be used” to estimate unadjusted vaccine effectiveness, as though such an estimate tells us nothing useful and is wholly misleading.

The absurdity of this thinly-disguised attempt to throw a sheet over unfavourable data is shown up by the fact that the reasons the UKHSA gives for the estimates being invalid are completely different to the main points its critics are making. Critics like David Spiegelhalter and Leo Benedictus (of Full Fatuous) are primarily concerned with alleged shortcomings of the population data, arguing that ONS data should be used instead. But, as noted, the UKHSA does not accept this criticism and defends its use of NIMS population data. In a normal world, this would mean that, with the main criticism dealt with, we would go back to using the data to estimate vaccine effectiveness.

But no, for UKHSA has another, completely different reason why it deems it invalid to do so. The population data, it explains, gives only “crude rates that do not take into account underlying statistical biases in the data”:

There are likely to be systematic differences in who chooses to be tested and the Covid risk of people who are vaccinated. For example:

• people who are fully vaccinated may be more health conscious and therefore more likely to get tested for COVID-19
• people who are fully vaccinated may engage in more social interactions because of their vaccination status, and therefore may have greater exposure to circulating COVID-19 infection
• people who are unvaccinated may have had past COVID-19 infection prior to the four-week reporting period in the tables above, thereby artificially reducing the COVID-19 case rate in this population group, and making comparisons between the two groups less valid COVID-19 vaccine surveillance report – week 43

These biases become more evident as more people are vaccinated and the differences between the vaccinated and unvaccinated population become systematically different in ways that are not accounted for without undertaken [sic] formal analysis of vaccine effectiveness.

This is all unquantified, and the claim at least that it is vaccinated people who are more likely to engage in social interaction is questionable, as anyone who chooses to remain unvaccinated (as opposed to having a condition that makes vaccination inadvisable) is more likely to be relaxed about catching coronavirus (not least because, as per the third bullet point, they may already have had it).

Besides, as I’ve noted before, we don’t need to guess at how large these biases might be, because we can look at the unadjusted and adjusted figures for other population-based studies, like this one in California, and see that the differences are typically very small. While there may be more bias in the England data than the California data that needs adjusting for (why doesn’t UKHSA just get on and do this?), that is no grounds for claiming that the unadjusted estimates tell us nothing of value and “should not” be made, as though we must assume any adjustments will be large.

Furthermore, it is not as though formal studies do always control for these things anyway. A new study in the Lancet from Imperial College London estimates vaccine effectiveness against transmission by looking at infection rates in household contacts who are vaccinated and unvaccinated (and finds the vaccines do very little). But the study makes no attempt to control or adjust for previous infection or behaviour differences. If Imperial College can publish a peer-reviewed study estimating vaccine effectiveness without addressing these forms of bias, why should others be prohibited from estimating unadjusted vaccine effectiveness without adjusting for such biases? Thus the concern about biases starts to appear more like a form of message control, of providing a pretext to forbid unauthorised people from making use of the data, than a genuine issue.

On one level, of course, we can just ignore the UKHSA’s false claim that a comparison of infection rates in the vaccinated and unvaccinated “should not be used” to estimate vaccine effectiveness, and estimate it anyway. But actually we can’t just ignore it. The Daily Sceptic has already been ‘fact-checked‘ by Full Fatuous over this, and such ‘fact checks’ are used by technology and media companies and even regulators to decide what they will censor or permit. This has a chilling effect on people’s willingness to report on the data.

What ought to happen now (though won’t) is the UKHSA should remove the false claim that a comparison of infection rates among vaccinated and unvaccinated populations “should not be used to estimate vaccine effectiveness” and start to do the honest thing and include estimates of unadjusted vaccine effectiveness in the report itself, just as it includes unadjusted estimates of the secondary attack rate based on raw data – if it can do one, why not the other? It should also provide adjusted estimates based on its own analysis. Indeed, back in the spring when the vaccines appeared to be highly efficacious, PHE would sometimes include its own adjusted estimates of vaccine effectiveness, even when it only had ‘low confidence‘ in the findings. Why not go back to doing that? Or are they only interested in doing this when it gives the ‘right’ answer? It’s beginning to look that way.

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Samurai Jack
Samurai Jack
4 years ago

‘I think… We all think… The vaccines were a nice idea.. But not pointing any fingers, they could have been done a little better’

Love Django (The D is silent)

In reality, it’s not a vaccine, best we stop calling it such

Anti_socialist
4 years ago
Reply to  Samurai Jack

Speak for yourself, I never wanted it, I never believed in it, I never thought it would work or was necessary.

Samurai Jack
Samurai Jack
4 years ago
Reply to  Anti_socialist

Think you’ve misinterpreted my comment.. It’s the wokey guy Robert from the film, not wanting to offend anyone, despite being there for a lynching

It’s going no where near me or my family, just to clarify 👍

Samurai Jack
Samurai Jack
4 years ago
Reply to  Samurai Jack

Just to further clarify

No virus has ever been isolated and i don’t even believe a virus is what they say it is, i think it’s a cellular detoxification process, thats works on a lock and key method, during a cyclic dump of toxins, and when the body cannot clear the last of the toxins, it creates a virus with specific RNA to act as the road sweeper

and because of this, wouldn’t even be able to infect anyone in our traditional understanding of transmission

And if you read the 1919 JAMA entry into the transmission of spanish flu in sailors, you’ll realise they did a bloody good job of trying to infect them, but didn’t actually achieve it

Same with Polio i believe

Ta

bOrgkilLaH1of7
4 years ago
Reply to  Samurai Jack

*No virus has ever been isolated*

This is a dumb-ass fiction spouted by Icke and QAnon types, so has sadly entered antivaxx mythology.

Time to drop it, cbelow.

When the genetic sequence of SARS-CoV-2 was published on January 11, NIH scientists and Moderna researchers got to work determining which targeted genetic sequence would be used in their vaccine candidate. Later reports, however, claimed that this initial work toward a COVID-19 vaccine was merely intended to be a “demonstration project.” 

Now long read a well founded investigation about the amazing coincidences betwixt the virus creation/lab leak/NIH and Moderna mRNA tech

https://unlimitedhangout.com/2021/10/investigative-reports/covid-19-moderna-gets-its-miracle/

Thanks to Whitney you’re welcome! 

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Samurai Jack
Samurai Jack
4 years ago
Reply to  bOrgkilLaH1of7

In the same way the Real Time PCR report in July stated

Since there are no quantified isolates of the 2019 NCov currently available, page 43 i think

I think, like most of this BS, the definitions of isolation have been changed to suit a narrative.. Bit like the CDC and their updated definition of a vaccine

Look at this way, when the virus leaves me and scarily looks to infect you or someone else, is it alive, is it dead is it innate?

If it’s alive, what keeps it alive in our atmosphere, does it have a respiratory system, a digestive tract?

I don’t believe a viruses intention is to kill people, despite the endless zombie movies 🧟

frankiess
frankiess
4 years ago
Reply to  Samurai Jack

Page 40.

Samurai Jack
Samurai Jack
4 years ago
Reply to  bOrgkilLaH1of7

P. S you should read the JAMA entry i mentioned

TheRightToArmBears
TheRightToArmBears
4 years ago
Reply to  Samurai Jack

Nothing detoxification about this poison vaxx.
Its toxic all the way.

Samurai Jack
Samurai Jack
4 years ago

Damn skippy it is, trying to tell that to my best mate, who has just had a booster shot.. I despair

Lockdown Sceptic
4 years ago
Reply to  Samurai Jack

The pandemic was real you wouldn’t need to hide the facts

Viruses do not cause disease – Dr Sam Bailey
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Samurai Jack
Samurai Jack
4 years ago

Please see my comment above.. You’re all very bullish this morning

Like a good crypto run

DrAnnoyed
DrAnnoyed
4 years ago

Viruses do cause disease, saying otherwise makes it hard for our cause to gather support. Focus on oposing tyrnaiical, and useless, government over-reactions to this mild pesky virus rather than on denying that a pandemic (albeit one somild as to be frnakly unworthy of reporting) exists.

DrAnnoyed
DrAnnoyed
4 years ago
Reply to  DrAnnoyed

P.S. well done on having anti-lockdown events organised nonetheless, just try to keep the mesages more anti-tyranny than anti-viral-existence

“vaccination must be an indidivual choice” rather than “stop the vaccines”

“children have already got natural immunity to covid so vaccinating them is a waste of time” rather than “vaccines are killing our kids”

“if this pandemic was truly serious governments wouldn’t need to spew out fear mongering messages” rather than “there is no pandemic”

Julian
4 years ago
Reply to  DrAnnoyed

Regarding vaccines, there is the concept which I think can be honourably defended, and there are specific vaccines which should be evaluated on their objective merits and subject to established protocols regarding safety, efficacy, honest representation, diligent monitoring of side effects, judicious use of public money, manufacturers liability, lack of coercion, respect for privacy, lack of political manipulation

The Covid vaccination program meets none of these criteria and must be vigorously opposed

frankiess
frankiess
4 years ago
Reply to  DrAnnoyed

Do you have proof of the existence of the virus? Also, proof that this virus causes cv? If you can provide proof, you can get the money that has been offered to anyone that can provide proof of existence. Isn’t that exciting?

DrAnnoyed
DrAnnoyed
4 years ago
Reply to  Samurai Jack

Vaccine–>Pre-infection therapeutic
can be a fairly accurate substitution

Annie
4 years ago
Reply to  DrAnnoyed

Largely ineffective pre-infection therapeutic?

mwhite
4 years ago
Reply to  Samurai Jack

In the pharmaceutical industry they are known as genetic transfer technologies.

George L
4 years ago
Reply to  Samurai Jack

No we ‘don’t all think..

Will
Will
4 years ago

At least the data are still being published, if in an attenuated form. Awkward Git has left this parish so cannot confirm whether these data would be subject to freedom of information requests, if the UKHSA tried to pull them. If they are subject to FOI then they can’t memory hole them, thank goodness. Now we just need to get hold of all cause death data by age and vaccination status; such data must exist, that it hasn’t been published speaks volumes.

Rogerborg
4 years ago
Reply to  Will

“Information is exempt information if its disclosure under this Act would, or would be likely to endanger the physical or mental health of any individual”

Or they can just claim a S22 exemption because they intent to publish it later. You know, 50 years later.

If you think we’re not there yet, then we fundamentally disagree on who runs the UK now.

Julian
4 years ago

Satanists

Freddy Boy
4 years ago
Reply to  Julian

Who keeps minus ticking ???…

Jon Garvey
4 years ago

…the claim at least that it is vaccinated people who are more likely to engage in social interaction is questionable.

Very true. A family member had his booster this week, but is planning a trip to the cinema in the afternoon “when all the infected adults are at work.”

karenovirus
4 years ago
Reply to  Jon Garvey

Have you told him about the gym in Australia which restricted access to the double vaxxed only?
It’s had to close because 15 of the double vaxxed gymsters infected each other.

sjonesy1999
sjonesy1999
4 years ago
Reply to  karenovirus

How will they wriggle out of more of those situations when the un-injected are banished from premises and the injected still get positive tests.

Superunknown
Superunknown
4 years ago
Reply to  sjonesy1999

They can’t, their position is untenable. No amount of spin or misdirection can change these inconvenient truths, they will just bury the information.

rayc
rayc
4 years ago
Reply to  sjonesy1999

They don’t need to wriggle out of anything.

Unlike the straw-man-attacking anti-vaxx nutters “they” have admitted that the vaccine does not offer full protection against infection from the very beginning, and that the efficacy wanes with time. Most of the public has understood it very well.

ebygum
4 years ago
Reply to  rayc

Nope…..the public don’t understand it at all, none of the people I know think this. They still think it stops transmission and infection, and they think it’s 90% effective…..end of….

most of the public haven’t given any of it a second thought…if they had more of them would be making very different decisions.

Julian
4 years ago
Reply to  ebygum

And that is exactly what the government intended

karenovirus
4 years ago
Reply to  Julian

I don’t believe the government knew what was happening with the vaccine, they were hoping and expecting that it would be miracle cure like penicillin.

186NO
186NO
4 years ago
Reply to  karenovirus

I think to that you can add SARS COV2; when you listen to these medics from the US speaking of their real world experience and how they applied decades long knowledge and judgment to treat people early, and adapt that process as patients recovery developed ( as have many many others world wide) it firstly might make you angry that Johnson & Co have taken a decision to ignore such experience and second the information given by SAGE and the shite diktats from Whitty/Vallance/van Tamm/Harries et al were not ever modulated by tapping that same knowledge and experience – they should all be stripped of their professional standing, without exception:

https://youtu.be/4IeVy7jQoz0?t=1842

I cannot help thinking that SARS COV2 has been seen by all those “in positions of authority” ( a catch all phrase for all the incompetents, I realise) as a once in a career opportunity for professional immortality, blinding whatever judgment these idiots ever had and killing many tens of thousands in the process.

karenovirus
4 years ago
Reply to  ebygum

While those vaxxed who do get ill believe it would have worse had they not done so, which is pretty hard to refute with certainty.

silverbirch
silverbirch
4 years ago

How is this effectiveness being in any way ascertained? More modelling?

amanuensis
4 years ago
Reply to  silverbirch

They use a rather nice method to compute vaccine effectiveness called ‘test negative case control’ (TNCC)

This method usually works very well, but there is a technical nuance, in that it doesn’t work when people that have the vaccine become ill for non-vaccine-related diseases at a higher frequency than the unvaccinated.

IMO this is what we have at the moment — the vaccinated are getting ‘the worst cold ever’ (that isn’t covid), going for tests to check in high numbers which then show negative (because it isn’t covid) — this is resulting in the TNCC giving an significant overestimate of vaccine effectiveness.

One hint that the above is occurring is in the very different estimates given by TNCC and ‘traditional methods’ (eg multivariate logistic regression, MLR); for example look at the main results (TNCC method) of the recent study done in Qatar (https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa2114114) and compare with their results using MLR in the supplementary appendix (figure S11).

I’d say that we should use traditional techniques to measure covid vaccine effectiveness in preference over TNCC.

NickR
4 years ago

Here’s the changing position over the past 7 weeks. One of the points that isn’t often made is that if twice as many of the vaccinated test positive amongst the vaccinated then you have to halve the death rate to even get back to where we were.

281021 Vaxxed v unvaxxed cases weeks 36-43.jpg
timsk
4 years ago
Reply to  NickR

Excellent chart Nick, thank you. Did you create it yourself – or is it published elsewhere?

NickR
4 years ago
Reply to  timsk

We’ll, Bill Gates created it insofar as it’s just a table of numbers banged into Excel & I pressed the button marked chart.
The data is from the the UK HSA weekly reports.

timsk
4 years ago

“Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities.” Voltaire

8bit
8bit
4 years ago
Reply to  timsk

Politics and crime; they’re the same thing.

– Michael Corleone

KidFury
KidFury
4 years ago
Reply to  timsk

“Fuck that”
– Dr Dre

Superunknown
Superunknown
4 years ago

Oh dear, the narrative spun of “safe & effective” has become unstuck, we now know that 50% of that statement is nonsense, so how long do you think it will be before it’s verified 100% grade A bullshit?
Like a paper mache sculpture in the pissing rain, it can’t last forever.

realarthurdent
4 years ago

I appear to have woken up in the Soviet Union, circa 1956.

I am Spartacas
4 years ago

There is really no point in getting the jab anymore is there really – I mean not only are they now practically useless but we were promised our freedoms back if we all got the jab (15 million jabs to freedom Hancock said) – well 60-odd million triple jabs later and still the threat of lockdowns hangs over our heads – strange thing is I cycled past my local vaccination drop-in centre this morning and although the queue wasn’t terribly long there was still quite a few hanging around with the masks on waiting to risk a clotshot – a jab with the risk of a nasty side-effect now a higher probabality than its protection rate – you might as well just get the virus ( a few days of cold/flu-like symptoms if you’re unlucky) and obtain healthier natural long-term immunity – now jabs are just an opportunity to virtue signal that you have had your third jab (yes, I have heard people crow about their third jab).

Oh well, see what happens when they demand a fourth jab or even a fifth – just maybe people will wake up by then … but I doubt it.

Rogerborg
4 years ago
Reply to  I am Spartacas

Once you’ve had the first, why wouldn’t you have the second? After the second, why not the third? Or the fourth, fifth, tenth, or hundredth?

In the Colonies, Darth Fauci has declared that he always said that three jabs would be required, and if you remember otherwise, you’re a terrorist.

Did I say three? I of course mean four.

karenovirus
4 years ago
Reply to  Rogerborg

Earlier today someone reported on Israel where they are already stocking up for jab #4, they are ‘hoping’ #3 lasts longer than the first two. ie 6 months.

Thought they were supposed to be following The Science.

ebygum
4 years ago
Reply to  Rogerborg

I think because they have normalised it for the vast majority of people, who genuinely think it’s a simple jab that is saving their life!
It makes my mind boggle, because they’re not actually even being asked or making any pretence that it’s actually being tested for either safety or efficacy anymore……no one seems to either care or been concerned that jab 3/4/5 etc, mixing different jabs, giving mRNA and flu jabs together, jabbing children….are all being done without trials or any sort of reasonable checks and balances!
We are truly witnessing BigPharma being given carte blanche to do whatever they want by Governments all over the world.

Superunknown
Superunknown
4 years ago
Reply to  ebygum

There is a reason they mix the jabs, if there is any legal recourse in the future they can’t pin the blame on a single company.

Annie
4 years ago
Reply to  Superunknown

They can’t pin the blame on any company, they’ve all got legal immunity. The only reliable immunity conferred by the monkey gunk, in fact.

Superunknown
Superunknown
4 years ago
Reply to  Annie

Not at the moment, but if/when this all ends and legal proceedings do go ahead they simply shrug their shoulders and say “prove we are responsible”

186NO
186NO
4 years ago
Reply to  Superunknown

If you scope Dr Richard Fleming’s latest video, he points out very meaningfully that a study he has conducted on the Pfizer jab shows horrendous foreign matter throughout several different doses in stark contrast to sterile saline solution – on the basis that the latter is routinely injected in medical settings. From correspondence to Pfizer – unanswered to date – and to the FDA he notes that the FDA have confirmed , in writing, that despite the study undertaken by Dr Fleming and his 2 other colleagues as presented in the video, their confidence in the jab, its formulation and delivery by injection is total. He then cleverly points out that this now becomes a “strict liability” issue in the US, not an EUA liability exemption issue, because of the clear presence of “foreign matter” in the jab i.e. a completely different issue of the demonstrated harm done to too many people injected by the Pfizer jab – that is a potentially dynamite revelation and opens the door to “Product liability ” lawsuits in the US. Well worth 30 mins or so of your time: it is halfway down this post on theexpose.uk: “UK Government reports suggest the Fully Vaccinated… Read more »

Javy
Javy
4 years ago
Reply to  ebygum

Someone proudly told me last week that they had just been for their booster jab. When I said I wouldn’t be following suit he shrugged his shoulders and said ‘Why not ? it’s free….’

Norman
4 years ago
Reply to  I am Spartacas

The stats above do indicate that the risk of hospitalisation and death are still much lower (in fact don’t seem to have changed much) for double vaccinated, which prompts the thought that a third and subsequent jab are only needed to stop the vaccinated spreading the disease once they have become reinfected.
It doesn’t sound like a valid strategy to me.

David.in.Italy
4 years ago
Reply to  Norman

Re:hôpitalisations
using the latest figures from Belgium(don’t ask)

French language have increasing worries about vax efficiency 

https://covid-19.sciensano.be/fr (in general)

Specifically, their latest epidemiology situation data

https://covid-19.sciensano.be/sites/default/files/Covid19/Dernière%20mise%20à%20jour%20de%20la%20situation%20épidémiologique.pdf

From 11th October to 24th October
1249 persons were hospitalised for 🦠 in Belgium
399 had never been Vax’d    (~31.9%)
22 had apparently been a bit Vax’d
671 of the 1249 were completely & totally Vaxxed. (~53.7%)
157 hospitalised persons, no-one knows which status….

186NO
186NO
4 years ago
Reply to  I am Spartacas

Allied to taking a comprehensive essential vitamins and minerals – and Ivermectin if you can get it – spot on imho.

Hester
Hester
4 years ago

Is anything surprising anymore the level of lies and corruption is comparable to anything the Soviets or North Korea push out

DanClarke
DanClarke
4 years ago

Was it a political thing, that the jab would make you immune and then it would stop it spreading and then it would wipe out Covid, the manufacturers made no such claims, they said it does not give immunity. Therefore in medical terms its not a vaccine. Its a therapeutic. It is only a means to an end ie Segregation Passports

karenovirus
4 years ago
Reply to  DanClarke

We were saying that as soon as it became known. Dunno if Wancocks statements otherwise were from ignorance or mischief.

rayc
rayc
4 years ago
Reply to  DanClarke

You can call it whatever you wish, it makes you 10x less likely to die from infection.

Annie
4 years ago
Reply to  rayc

But it’s infections the Fascists are counting, not deaths.

Superunknown
Superunknown
4 years ago
Reply to  rayc

Of course it does, and I have a lucky penny that stops me getting killed by meteorites.
Nothing to do with almost two years of naturally gained immunity. Not to mention the fact most people who were susceptible to the virus have already died.

karenovirus
4 years ago
Reply to  Superunknown

That’s how the black death faded away over the centuries, it got 35-50% of populations first time around; next time, a more resistant generation later, 25% and then in ever decreasing circles until now it lingers on in only a very few places, Madagascar for one.

Norman
4 years ago

So the reality is that the double-vaccinated pose a higher risk to the unvaccinated than other unvaccinated people. The hospitalisation and death statistics are only relevant if someone gets the disease in the first place.
Is this from what they like to tell us is joined up government?

rayc
rayc
4 years ago
Reply to  Norman

Yep, you only forget that you have ~100% chance of getting this disease during your lifetime, quite regardless of your vaccination status.

ebygum
4 years ago
Reply to  rayc

And nearly 100% chance of having no or slight symptoms.
You were actually ten times more likely to die of something else today in the UK than you were to die ‘with Covid’….perhaps we need injecting for those things as well….indeed we all need injecting with some spurious treatment because out of 68,000,000, people 67,400,000 of us have never even been admitted to hospital with it!! Pandemic! Pandemic!!

Cecil B
Cecil B
4 years ago

They only measure what they measure

What we don’t know is how many people these ‘vaccines’ have killed and perhaps more importantly how many of the ‘vaxxed’ will die from the medium and long term effects of the ‘vaccines’

A Heretic
A Heretic
4 years ago

Having been away last week I had the chance to visit a few pubs up north. Couldn’t help but overhear a conversation between 2 tables with one couple saying they’d had the ‘rona but “fortunately we’d had our jabs or it would have been so much worse”.
The list keeps growing.

DanClarke
DanClarke
4 years ago
Reply to  A Heretic

How do they know it would have been worse? I’ve asked a couple of people who’ve spouted this nonsense and they mutter rubbish about just knowing it would. It seems to be their only defense against the stupidity of getting jabbed.

A Heretic
A Heretic
4 years ago
Reply to  DanClarke

So far the same crap has spouted by every idiot I know that’s gone down post jab. People are still convinced that the best case scenario for unjabbed cv19 is that you’ll end up in hospital. Why? Because they don’t know anyone that actually had it prior to getting jabbed.

One nugget at work proudly declared last week “I’m starting to think that we’re all going to get it at some point and we’re just going to have to live with it”.
Amazing that it’s only taken 18 months for a highly educated person who spends his day working with complex financial data to work out the bleeding obvious but hopefully it indicates a turning point as none of the other zombies disagreed with him.

Annie
4 years ago
Reply to  A Heretic

They all say that. It’s the mating call of the brain-dead.

NotAtHomeToday
NotAtHomeToday
4 years ago

So in very round numbers, if the shot halves your chances of dying should you be infected by “it”, but doubles your chances of getting infected, isn’t the net result just a big fat zero?

Julian
4 years ago
Reply to  NotAtHomeToday

I don’t think so. I believe the stats are of people dying with/from covid (I presume with positive test within 28 days so possibly not that meaningful) expressed as a fraction of the total population. But how much one can really conclude from this is questionable as you would need to adjust for the underlying state of health of the people dying, and also consider that since the mass vaxxing, compared to this time last year, all cause mortality has gone up. I think you’d need to look at how your vaxx status affects your chances of dying of any cause, compared to a similar figure pre-covid.

amanuensis
4 years ago
Reply to  NotAtHomeToday

Net result a big zero?No — that’s only looking at individual level. Because the vaccinated now have much greater infection rates, this then impacts on R; how likely it is for one person to infect another (as they’re more likely to get infected). What’s worse is that case numbers aren’t simply related to infection rates, but are exponential — if you have an increase in infection rate by 50% you’d expect case numbers to triple (roughly). So, even a small increase in infection risk might have a significant impact on case numbers — maybe you’d expect a western European country that vaccinated early and in high numbers to have surprisingly high case loads… And the more cases there are, the more hospitalisations/deaths you’ll have. I’d note that these will largely be in the vulnerable groups. So, we’ve vaccinated everyone only to significantly increase the risks for the vulnerable (compared with only vaccinating the vulnerable). Furthermore, you’d expect the unvaccinated to be heavily impacted by this — they might be less likely to get infected than the vaccinated, but they do get infected and they do sometimes suffer hospitalisation and death. So, we’ve vaccinated everyone which has led to increased risks… Read more »

Major Panic in the jabby jabbys

Many people don’t need the censored data that shows how shite the ‘vaccines’ are – they can see what’s happening to their friends and family. A pureblood friend of a friend noticed that none of her aunts, uncles, etc had had covid until they were double jabbed, and now they’ve all had it. So, according to that data; to get covid – get jabbed

A Sceptic
A Sceptic
4 years ago

Agree, in one workplace I deal with we had 5 infections from 2020 through to July 2021. Since July, there have been 8. I don’t know the vaccine status of all of them, but at least 90% are double jabbed.

That’s the thing – they may try to hide the data but people can see it with their own eyes.

Stonecircle
Stonecircle
4 years ago

These UKHSA hospitalisation and death statistics seem to be to be at variance with those recently published by Public Health Scotland.

For the period 25 September to 22 October PHS has the hospitalisation ratio for the over 60s at 90% to 10% for vaxxed/unvaxxed. PHS gives the death ratios for all ages as 85% to 15% for vaxxed to unvaxxed. I got this from The Expose website.

The UKHSA stats are very different to the PHS ones. Which set of figures are the more accurate?

The MHRA website does not attribute a single one of the circa 1700 Yellow Card reported covid vaccine deaths to the jabs.

These statistics show beyond doubt that covid vaccinating children and pregnant women is absolutely wicked. They are, I would say, completely useless, extremely dangerous and intrinsically harmful.

amanuensis
4 years ago
Reply to  Stonecircle

You don’t give a link for your data, but I imagine that the PHS data is overall data; if 90% of the population is vaccinated you’d expect 90% (or so) of hospitalisations in the vaccinated.

The UKHSE data presented in this article is for per 100,000, ie, it removes the effect of the rate of vaccination in the country.

Stonecircle
Stonecircle
4 years ago
Reply to  amanuensis

You would expect 90% hospitalisation if the vaccine had no effect on the risk of being hospitalised for the vaxxed. The UKHSA data suggests there is a reduction in risk for them.

The link to The Expose article is : https://theexpose.uk/2021/10/28/85-percent-of-covid-19-deaths-among-the-fully-vaccinated/

Arfur Mo
Arfur Mo
4 years ago
Reply to  Stonecircle

To put things in context, the data suggests that around 160 people die with/from/+ve test result covid a week. There are around 10,000 deaths a week from all causes. Where is the sense of proportion?

For the top 5 leading causes of death, there would be around 800 ischaemic heart disease, 500 dementia, 350 chronic lower pulmonary, 300 cerebrovascular, 280 influenza.

Currently Covid with/from vaxx-or-unvaxx is less deadly than influenza.

GlassHalfFull
4 years ago

Also, the government already adjusts the Yellow Card reporting so it won’t be long before they ban that all together as well as the truth may be harmful to the message.

DanClarke
DanClarke
4 years ago

The jabbed are now justifying their jabs by saying the really bad flu they got could have been worse! They just know …..

Freecumbria
4 years ago

Great article, Will. The change to them declaring that the figures ‘should not be used to assess vaccine effectiveness‘ is worrying, but not unexpected given the current climate. I’d not fully appreciated the difficulties caused to those wanting to publish fair and reasonable discussion articles of the figures by them making this change, while still supplying the figures themselves. The implied idea that people who are fully vaccinated are out socialising while the unvaccinated are cowering under their beds is so ridiculous that it is embarrassing to read. Someone earlier described it as Orwellian to read that. This is not some small effect such as the double vaccinated testing positive at a rate 10% higher than the unvaccinated, but it’s more than double across a range of different age groups. That needs some explaining away if the vaccinated are really less likely to positive, and any explaining away needs to be challengeable. I also was pleased to see UKHSA defend the use of NIMS. The NIMS English population total of about 62.5 million (21.2 million unvaccinated, 38.0 million double jabbed, and 3.3 million single jabbed), compares with the ONS estimates which might be 56.5 million I think. So there is… Read more »

kate
kate
4 years ago

https://t.me/s/JohnDeesAlmanac/639

Many analysts around the globe have been struggling with getting a robust answer for vaccine benefit, and like many I’ve been pulling my hair out trying to trap down all the factors. I’ve fallen foul of my own assumptions and methodological limitations many times and two days ago was ready to give up the quest for the Grail.

Keep your fingers crossed that this work passes muster because if it does it can serve as a base method to determine the true impact of COVID as well as the vaccines. The world needs to know if we are heading in the right direction.

Jane G
Jane G
4 years ago
Reply to  kate

Just been reading this Telegram thread- truly heartening to know how many private citizens are crunching the numbers for the rest of us. Glad to know he is in discussions with HART group.
Also watched the latest Irreverends podcast which this week is on Odysee due to the nature of the discussion about the large increase in ‘cases’ since the rollout of the vaccines.

amanuensis
4 years ago

An interesting nuance to this new data is that for some reason they’ve removed about 100,000 (nearly half) of the individuals from their <18 double-vaccinated data. There is no explanation for this. I’d note that they don’t offer this on a plate — you have to calculate it from the data they provide.

It does have a significant effect on the estimates of vaccine effectiveness for this group (c. 90% to c. 80%).

It is likely that they’re correcting an error that has been present in all prior UKHSE reports — IMO it is a bit naughty of them to not explain this change.

Freecumbria
4 years ago
Reply to  amanuensis

Yes, I’d noticed that. See the attached where I’ve highlighted the change.

The raw rate of infections in the single vaccinated under age 18 age group is 2,727 per 100,000 vs 3,150 per 100,000 in the unvacccinated.

That’s at a time that the number in the single vaccinated category is changing quickly, so some caution there in comparing figures as the denominator is more unreliable in this age group. But not much difference.

The 586 per 100,000 rate in the double vaccinated looks like unreliable data because it is based on an unreliable very small number of people as this change shows.

So it is important to say that the apparent efficacy at preventing a positive test in the double vaccinated under 18s should be ignored because of these significant data issues.

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Arfur Mo
Arfur Mo
4 years ago
Reply to  Freecumbria

So, in the worst case (Ferguson-style modelling), the data suggests that around 95,000 double stabbed under 18s died between weeks 42 and 43?

Freecumbria
4 years ago
Reply to  Arfur Mo

Ha ha!

But being serious it shows the potential for NIMS to overcount the number of double vaccinated.

The political narrative/Spiegelhalter implied assumption is that the number vaccinated is 100% correct and the total NIMS population is too high and so the potential overstatement of the NIMS population relates solely to an overstatement of the unvaccinated number and so in the ‘case’ table an understatement of positives per 100,000 in the unvaccinated.

This shows why this assumption can’t be made. There might be double counting of the vaccinated in other age groups too going on in the NIMS database.

Fiona Walker
4 years ago
Reply to  Freecumbria

On the reddit site, poster “uncivil” is working on PHE data systems and had identified massive over-counting of vaccine taking individuals, perhaps why there is nervousness about introducing the Pass.

Freecumbria
4 years ago
Reply to  Fiona Walker

Thanks. Very interesting. I’ll have a look.

Norman Fenton looks at how NIMS works at the operational level in his paper and constructively looks at how vaccinations can be over-recorded or under-recorded on NIMS.

His diagram (attached) indicates how these errors can then feed into the vaccine passes.

If you look at the last 2 PHE (UKHSA) data spreadsheets and compare identical weeks if anything they are slightly increasing their estimate of the unvaccinated proportion for identical weeks. I’ve not checked against the earlier reports to see if it this is part of a continuing trend or not.

But potentially any errors UKHSA are finding are currently not pushing down the unvaccinated proportion it appears, if anything it’s very marginally the other way. Of course the errors they are finding may not be reflective of typical overall errors in the database.

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Freecumbria
4 years ago
Reply to  Fiona Walker
DrAnnoyed
DrAnnoyed
4 years ago

Quite honestly, for these covid vaccines effectiveness clearly is not related to the ratios of cases per population among the vaxxed and unvaxxed, they never have worked against infection and their initial trials weren’t even designed with this in mind. The effectiveness must surely be the statistics for hospitalisations or deaths, the trials afterall were set up with the intended outcome being that a lower proportion people who had taken the vaccine would get hospitalised. We’ve yet to see if this effectiveness drops off as that Swedish study shows, but the one solid fact we have is that vaccines clearly do not stop the spread (with cases now stable at arund the highest peaks of the waves we clearly haven’t wiped the virus out) so we need to simply tolerate coid and live normally without tyrannical bullshit imposed on us. Reduced hospitalisations and deaths should make the virus easier to tolerate, but even if vaccine effectiveness of this kind wanes, we still have to tolerate the virus, any alternative is too costly in terms of things which matter (civil rights, the economy, mental health…).

TruthHurts2077
4 years ago

Pssst… the Covid ‘vaccines’ are f*cking useless… pass it on…

Arfur Mo
Arfur Mo
4 years ago
Reply to  TruthHurts2077

Typos corrected:

the Covid vaxxines are worse than f*cking useless

DrAnnoyed
DrAnnoyed
4 years ago

Also: has anyone noticed the (laughable at best of times) level of protection against infection seems higher (but still a laughable level compared to the protection classical vacciens give against other disease infection) in the groups where covid largely is spreading and in the groups where less proportion of the group have been vaccinated? Seems a little bizarre but might be worth something as an observation to try to come up with a proper explanation as to why effectiveness manages to become negative.

rayc
rayc
4 years ago
Reply to  DrAnnoyed

Even if the unvaccinated groups were totally immune to infection on the basis of surviorship bias / thanks to earlier immunity, it would not be an argument against vaccination. Causation is difficult to understand, isn’t it?

Superunknown
Superunknown
4 years ago
Reply to  rayc

It’s not a vaccine though is it. Vaccines provide immunity, this shot does nothing of the sort. You can’t even argue that it reduces hospitalisation or death, because it clearly doesn’t.

186NO
186NO
4 years ago
Reply to  Superunknown

Put these “guys and one lady” in charge:

https://youtu.be/4IeVy7jQoz0?t=1842

TechBob
TechBob
4 years ago
Reply to  rayc

As you point out the current vaccine, which allows long term circulation of Covid-19 in the vaccinated, must lead to natural immunity in the un-vaccinated population.
This is an irrefutable argument against vaccine passports and coercion of the un-vaccinated community.
Whether this inevitable outcome is an argument against the use of the current vaccines depends on whether the additional protection provided by post vaccination infection is as good as that seen in the un-vaccinated post infection.
Recent UKHSA reports indicating of weaker antibody response to N-proteins in the infected vaccinated and the fact that boosters are needed so soon after decline in the circulating exosomes due to vaccination may already provide an indication as to the answer.

George L
4 years ago
Reply to  rayc

Why inject someone with something that’s experimental against a reported disease with an incredibly high survival rate. Rates no different to the flu. Its a nonsense

A Heretic
A Heretic
4 years ago
Reply to  DrAnnoyed

Well the obvious answer is that the vaccines do nothing and the unvaccinated aren’t stupid enough to get tested.

Horse
Horse
4 years ago

At some point we’re all going to have to face the fact we no longer live in a democracy as we previously understood it, but a post-truth hellscape where the regime can routinely change the definition of words like “vaccine” and “pandemic” and “vaccine efficacy” to avoid awkward questions about its murderous policies. Other words it may soon redefine could include “justice” and “trial” and “death sentence”

Arfur Mo
Arfur Mo
4 years ago
Reply to  Horse

Terrorist = anyone who criticises the regime

mishmash
4 years ago

Keep trying the play the game by their rules and eventually you won’t have any data left to analyse at all, only the latest orders to be obeyed without question.

“Comparing case rates among vaccinated and unvaccinated populations should not be used to estimate vaccine effectiveness against COVID-19 infection.”

This is the most illogical, unscientific thing I’ve ever read, what a complete moron.

BeBopRockSteady
4 years ago

Even without such a lengthy criticism of their data analysis techniques and caveats, the fact Spiegelhalter chose now to criticise the reports and they removed the chart speaks volumes. If this was an issue, it was an issue with Technical Briefing 1. And yet, as it fit the narrative, it was OK then.

They are laughing at us.

Superunknown
Superunknown
4 years ago

Damage control has already started –
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-10145637/amp/Unvaccinated-Americans-previously-infected-COVID-19-risk-vaccinated.html
CDC claims if you already had the virus and aren’t jabbed, you are five and a half times more likely to wind up in hospital.
Propaganda, you love it

Annie
4 years ago
Reply to  Superunknown

When you get to the half time, do you get a break and some orange to suck?

186NO
186NO
4 years ago
Reply to  Superunknown

“CDC claims if you already had the virus and aren’t jabbed, you are five and a half times more likely to wind up in hospital.”

Not if you get treated early by these medics and their peers:

https://youtu.be/4IeVy7jQoz0?t=1842