A Patient Writes…
Jonny Peppiatt, a regular contributor to the Daily Sceptic, has just returned home after a recent hospital stay. He shares his thoughts about what it’s like to be a non-Covid patient in a Covid-obsessed NHS.
“The back left of my throat is extremely painful. It hurts too much to talk, or eat, and feels like if it swells up any more then my throat will close. The pain’s spread through the left side of my jaw, my back teeth, and my left ear now too. I wouldn’t normally come to A&E for a “sore throat”, but I am worried about this swelling and struggling to breathe.”
That was the note I showed the receptionist at A&E this morning at about 3:40am. She took my details and I took a seat, prepared for the wait with some Netflix downloads, Spotify, and some work to do. Anything to distract me from the pain in my throat.
About half an hour later I was called to triage. First question: Have you had your Covid vaccine?” I answered their question honestly, and there was no follow up. Triage concluded that I should stick around, get some blood tests, and see a doctor. So that’s what I did.
The doctor took a look around my throat, asked if I’d had my Covid vaccine, confirmed the results of the bloods showed a very high infection, and told me she’d like to give me some medication and some antibiotics. She then told me to go back to the waiting room and wait to be called through to the main area of the hospital.
I was soon taken through to the minor treatments area off the back of A&E, where the first question I was asked was, “Where’s your mask?” I replied with the typical “I’m exempt” with a wave of the wrist. Only to get the reply, “This is a hospital though.” I pointed out that the hospital is not some sovereign territory exempt from the Government’s exemption rules. I was then left to be, maskless. But I was very quickly asked, once more, “Have you had your Covid vaccine?” Again, I answered and again there was no follow up. Come to think of it, what would they do with either answer?
I was then put on some strong intravenous antibiotics, although I had to face away from the doctor setting it up because of my masklessness. While I was facing the curtain though, she asked me, “Why aren’t you scared? You have a very high infection.” I’d like to think most NHS staff should have more faith in themselves than to go around asking patients why they aren’t scared while in hospital, but I gave her a nice simple reply: “Why should I be scared? I’ll get better.”
Now, being sick is deeply unpleasant, and I can understand a fear of getting sick, but if I’m already sick, and I know I won’t die, and I’m confident that I won’t get worse, then I don’t think I have anything to fear.
Anyway, this scene passed and soon there was an orderly coming my way. I took out my headphones to hear him telling me that I was required to take a Covid test. I asked him what would happen if I didn’t want to take a test. He asked me if I was refusing the test. I told him I might be. He told me that he was just doing his job and if I did want to refuse, then that was fine, I’d just need to say so so that he could go log it on the system. Fine then, I told him, I refuse.
A little while later, about 7:30am, the ENT specialist cane to take a look. He decided that a minor operation would be necessary, and sprayed my throat up with some vile numbing spray that had me gagging and spluttering. But, I thought, at least once this is done I can head home. Alas, I was mistaken. It turned out my “refusal” to take a Covid test wasn’t so fine. The doctor, it turned out, was being more obstinate than I’d been in his refusal to do the procedure until I’d had a test. We debated it briefly, pointing out that it was pretty clear I didn’t have Covid: he pointed out that I had a sore throat which was a Covid symptom; I pointed out that he’d literally just moments earlier diagnosed it as something else which had led him to deciding to do the minor op he’d just planned. It also became clear that all three of us in that discussion had had Covid early in 2021, and were all believers in the conspiracy theory of natural immunity. It was accepted that the tests weren’t wholly reliable, and it was appreciated that I didn’t want to swab my tonsils when they were the sorest part of my body at that point. Despite all of this agreement, it became clear that he wasn’t going to back down. He had the power after all, and he knew it. I needed the procedure. So I backed down.
The inevitable negative result came back about 8am, at which point I was admitted and transferred to a main ward, where I then waited for another hour and a half for a quick procedure that they were ready to do at 7:30am, but couldn’t because I hadn’t ticked the negative Covid test box. However, the wait at this point most likely wasn’t me being intentionally ignored for being Covid non-compliant (which I did wonder when a new doctor turned up later), nor was it me being forgotten because of poor admin and because I’d moved to a ward. This delay was happening over the shift changes, which was why I had a new doctor – well a new team of three doctors (I expect one or two were students) – when I did see a doctor again at 9:30am, and, just to keep you informed, this new doctor was equally interested in the results of my Covid test. She did her examination, came to roughly the same conclusion as the previous doctor, and then disappeared to get the minor op kit ready.
Five minutes later she and her two colleagues returned to numb up my throat for the second time and then stick sharp pointy things into my mouth. An unpleasant minor op, without a doubt, but, credit where it’s due, this was probably the first good experience I’d had with the NHS. The procedure was well explained, well managed, and well executed. And from this point, I received no more questions on masks or jabs, so that’s where I’ll end the tale.
I’ll also leave the bulk of the inferences to you; particularly because what can anyone reliably infer from one man’s relatively short trip to the hospital? But I will say this: there was never any judgment for not being jabbed; only one person at any point over 12 hours said anything about masks; and the only real frustration was the repeated obsession with having a test done.
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“Come to think of it, what would they do with either answer?”
That’s not the point. Covid has become a vast machine which powers on independent of any connection to the reality of public health.
As, I suspect, it was always intended to.
‘Why aren’t you scared?’
Do they say that to child patients, I wonder?
All part of the infantilisation that goes with a nanny state, that is the inevitable consequence of giving the state responsibility for personal health.
Neoteny is what happens to pets and cattle.
People working in personal health care are gov’ officials. No more, no less.
I pointed that out in a forum once and a GP replied very crossly that she was not. However, the fact is that regardless of qualifications, pay, letters after the name, the frock coat mentality and imagined social status, or any other consideration, those paid by central government are the instruments of central government.
The state has had that responsibilty for 73 years. Turning the NHS into yet another vehicle of political wokery (for want of a better term) is a much more recent phenomenon.
They always ask that, as if we need to be frightened for the procedure to work. Only time I don’t remember them asking me that was when my ulcer ruptured and, to be blunt, that was the time I should have been scared.
You need to reply as did the Russian spy in Bridge of Spies, played by the wonderful Mark Ryland, when asked a similar question – ‘Would it help?’
Brilliant!
He also talks about the “standing man” in that film – a line which has sprung to my mind on a regular basis over this whole jabbing fiasco and seems to describe those of us not prepared to cave in to the pressure.
I can’t believe that they say that to anyone! I’m scared such stupid people can be doctors. That’s about it.
Perhaps I would say that I’m not scared because you will cure me.
The question may simply have been due to genuine surprise because everyone else they’ve seen is and one man who is not is considered a freak.
An interesting and revealing encounter with the National Covid Authority (formerly known as the NHS), staffed by delusional obsessives empowered by the state to impose their obsessions upon their victims.
From their point of view it’s all been a huge success. I don’t have the figures to hand, but the past 18 months have seen the government rinse the NHS with unimaginable amounts of borrowed money, so you can understand why it’s in the medics’ interests to keep the scam going for as long as they possibly can.
Of course. Bureaucrats’ interests become aligned with those of the bureaucracy they work for.
Bureaucracy: is the art of converting the simple to the difficult by the way of useless.
Glad it turned out okay and you had a positive NHS experience. Treasure that greatly.
The primary reason to have you do a Covid test is for them to place you properly if admitted. I texted my friend who works at our big NHS this morning about that and he quick texted back. I had to have one when they were going to admit me for my latest kidney stone. The NHS has probably the worst in-hospital infection rate (not just Covid but all infections) in the West. Even if your throat wasn’t Covid (obviously wasn’t), they have to be prepared for potential complications. But given the inaccuracies, one does wonder if they should have you roll dice to determine status.
When I went back to have my last stone blasted I refused to do a Covid test the day before, which meant after the lithotripsy I had to recover in an open hallway, still wet and shivering from the treatment. I get isolating the infectious from uninfected but any number of bad things could have happened to me in that hallway, still dressing. But hey, at least others were safe from me and my antibodies.
Following an unexpected overnight stay in ‘my’ specialist ward a Dr. mentioned that
‘hospitals are not good places to avoid infection so you would be safer going home today’.
Off topic: I’ve had kidney stones – I wouldn’t wish them on anyone! I believe that sometimes a uric acid imbalance can be a contributing factor. In case it is in your case, have you tried Prowise Cherry Max capsules?
When I was admitted to a London NHS teaching hospital last year I declined the cribriform plate violating poker and said mouth swab only which they did. Now wondering where my DNA sample has ended up.
Surely they can’t refuse treatment because you won’t take an unrelated test?
Ethically, morally and legally they cannot refuse treatment. This sounds like a quinsy, which must be treated promptly and is most definitely an emergency, particularly since the plan was an incision and drain of the abscess.
Signs in A&E say they can and will send people away without treatment if patients act innaproriatly toward staff.
With the prior support of the hospital trust.
As an inpatient (see below) I witnessed some inappropriate behaviour which needed Porter intervention but it was put down to reactions to medication.
Even where people are banned from hospitals due to prior behaviour they can still get emergency treatment. It’s not only medication that can cause irrational behaviour but also illness itself. I have seen a 20 something acting completely out of character due to encephalitis caused by the herpes cold sore virus.
The signs at A&E are referring to here and now behaviour.
One would hope that staff are trained to tell the difference between drunken rowdiness and conditions such as you mention.
This is just the start. Wait until they try to deny you treatment because you haven’t had your latest stab. If they can try and force hospital and medical staff to be jabbed and they SUCCEED, there’ll be no stopping them
I simple way to stop any animal is to kill it.
NO
I don’t see how the doctor ‘had the power’ meaning you had to back down and take the covid test.
Surely, ‘the power’ is with the law and there is no law requiring you to take said test.
In theory, perhaps, but in practice “the law” isn’t there with you when you are dealing with a medical bureaucrat empowered by his bureaucracy’s administration to withhold necessary and urgent medical treatment.
A bit like the police, in the unanswerable (but routinely ignored) argument often made for gun ownership in the US:
“when seconds count, the police are only minutes away.”
Are you that dumb not to realize that someone who is about to treat you will treat you better if you do not resist? It’s plain old survival instinct, but maybe some people really are so stupid that they lack it.
The behavior described in this post reminds me of the various “Karens” making a scene and hysterically screaming that they wish to speak to manager while everyone else cringes around them.
When in Rome, do as Romans do. When in hospital, respect the staff who is there to help you and follow the hospital’s house rules.
It sounds really rapey to imply that people should give up their right to bodily autonomy and integrity just for a quiet life and for a violation that gives them no benefit.
I hope for your sake that you’re never in a situation where you want to fight back but decide to bend over and over comply for your own “safety”.
And how far do you take that logic, Auschwitz?
A really disturbing comment.
I take it as far as medical care is concerned, and not any farther. That is the whole point, being able to understand context and perceive differences – a demonstration of intelligence.
OK, so you apply that logic to Pettiot,Gosnell,Duntsch,Petrov,Swango,Shipman,etc etc.
a clear sign of intelligence, no?
You are the thickest, most unethical poster I’ve seen on this site.
rayc, I have 7 grandkids and I will always refuse so they don’t have to live in a totlitarian state. Your comments are disgusting and disgraceful!!!
In fairness, there appear to be at least two users of the rayc account, as far as I can tell from the comments.
Both intelligent and informed, one calm, reasoned and generally sceptical, the other much more aggressive and contemptuous towards “vaccine” resisters.
Looks like we had the “Mr Hyde” rayc today.
Being in my late 50s and enjoying food and booze, my wife was not supportive of me ignoring sudden pain in my left arm earlier this year. To be fair, I didn’t know about this being an indicator of bad things and soon presented at A&E. predictably, lots of resistance to no masks and I was soon and quickly segregated in the wait room. Another medical type, more mask questions and then I was put into the room where they held the “serious” covid patients and offered me a mask, which was declined. A quick ECG was requested and off to another room and a lovely lady who didn’t ask why I wasn’t wearing a mask and given she was wiring me up, didn’t insist either. One quick ecg later and I asked her if I was having a heart attack and she said it wasn’t her job to tell me that but I was ok to relax. what happened next was the worst thing of the visit. I was kept waiting for 30 minutes and then introduced to another doctor who would not give me the ecg results or discus next steps unless I put a mask on. I… Read more »
But if you thought you were suffering with heart problems, wearing a mask could exacerbate the problem. But they knew you werent, but wouldn’t tell you unless you put a damned face nappy on! What happened to the Hippocratic oath that doctors used to work by? Since when has bullying become part of a treatment? It’s not like you were in there with symptoms of the coof! Seems like too many are enjoying their power right now, supporting nonsensical new rules instead of just getting on and treating patients. Did you find out what was wrong with your arm, btw?
You are full of good reasons. Let the stupid die.
That’s what happens when the media – urged on by government – turns ordinary healthcare workers into “NHS heroes”. They are now drunk on power it seems to me.
Yep
thankfully, nothing serious with my arm. Better safe than sorry though
Where did this chap get his medical degree, the Mengele School of Medicine?
Presumably they have instructions from management to employ coercion in their bedside manner, and some revel in it.
There are people who went to university to get a medical diploma.
These are the criminals who populated state owned services in the West,
Did you take names?
I didn’t but probably should of.
Sue!!!
Scare has replaced care in “our” dreadful NHS
Prior to 2020, I had various procedures on my lower spine; I have nerve damage. Doesn’t stop me working and I’ve never missed a days work through it, however I’m in constant pain. Before the hospital would burn off my nerve endings, I had to endure three separate minor ops on my back where they injected nerve numbing stuff in to me. This consisted of nine long needles per op. I was never asked once if I was scared. Why the feck would I be scared? Who cares if I am or not? What are they going to do to alleviate my fear if I was? Feck all that’s what! As you say, the Nanny state run wild, now with Doctors and Nurses (not all) frightened of their own shadows. That frightened, they are hesitant in treating people who are ill. These are the level of Doctors and Nurse that are coming in to the system, brainwashed by university, medical school and the media to fear everything. If you are that scared of a patient, you are in the wrong job. Shock horror, doctors and nurses have to treat people who are ill. The sad thing is, this will never… Read more »
https://www.frontiersin.org/articles/10.3389/fcell.2020.613006/full
Quercetin Suppresses Apoptosis and Attenuates Intervertebral Disc Degeneration via the SIRT1-Autophagy Pathway
Cheers, I’ll give it a read :).
How did he have the power to refuse you medial treatment?
Saying NO.
In this XXI century we will see the rise of people who treats and cure other people because they know how to do.
They will not need a diploma. Popular Medicine will not disappear.
As a MD I fully respect it.
I watched this video of a NZ woman who had the jab and I felt so angry. Adherne should hang for what she is doing.
https://www.bitchute.com/video/qi1Ug3Q92YCY/
Heart breaking, but why oh why did she take it? I can’t believe people don’t do any research on this. I can tell you now, I’d rather be dead than have this poison pumped in to me.
I’m a IT Network Engineer, my wife is a prescribing Pharmacist and we have a very comfortable life. However, we will no betray our moral values and we’d rather be poor, happy and healthy than roll over and betray everything we believe in. Which is freedom of choice, freedom of expression, free speech and freedom to live freely without the state watching our every move.
Don’t let the bastards grind you down.
My experience of first attending A&E early in March was pretty similar except that my mask except lanyard was accepted while the subject of vaccination did not come up. They sorted out my problem with pain killers which wore off a few hours later so I ended up going back via 999 ambulance whose excellent staff were not fussed about masks and, more importantly, gave me further morphine substitute. At this point things get hazy as EMR staff prodded and probed to diagnose my symptoms. All I wanted to do was sleep because that wasn’t painful. A day or so later with a confused mind I found myself in the ward where I would spend the next three weeks taking a variety of meds and tests, including routine Covid testing every second day. I was spoken to by a number of specialists, none of whom asked about my vaccine status (not taken) though they would have seen my covid test results. As I became more lucid, on most days one of the very kind nurses would wheelchair me quite a long way to an exit where I could have a cigarette even though this was expressly against hospital rules. More… Read more »
If you weren’t bothered then why did you consent to the covid tests?
By the time I became lucid it was a done deal and in any case they would have said it was for the protection of others.
I wonder if asking you repeatedly about ‘the jab’ is because they know they’d be up against its side effects. As you hadn’t been jabbed, it was clear what your particular problem was and clear how to treat it.
I was forced to wear a facemask for an MRI scan at a private hospital. I almost walked out, but I needed the scan. They refused to do it unless I put on a mask, and wouldn’t recognise my exemption. I was actually freaking out because I literally hate the things.
That’s despite me having recently recovered from covid (I’d have liked my sore lungs to be unobstructed), and on top of that I’m sure I got the bug from the same hospital a few weeks before!
Oh, and as soon as I put on the mask my glasses steamed up, so it did a great job at stopping aerosols.
On the plus side, I had an eye problem which needed me to go to NHS eye casualty and I never had a problem not wearing a mask. I wore an exemption lanyard and no-one asked me to wear one, despite having to get very close to my face to examine my eyes.
I am glad you were diagnosed and treated and hope you recover. But why did you make it that much more difficult for the people treating you because you refused to take a trivial test and wear a harmless mask which they provide? I suspect you have confirmed a number of people in their opinion that Covid sceptics are a bunch of irrational self-publicists who get a kick of being difficult. It is a mini version of the extinction rebellion protests. If you want to win the argument you have to win the emotional argument as well as the logical one.
“But why did you make it that much more difficult for the people treating you because you refused to take a trivial test and wear a harmless mask which they provide?“
Contemptible blaming the victim.
The sad truth is that I am not in the least surprised at that, coming from you.
Victim of what?
Victim of the imposition of coerced demonstrations of conformism, unnecessary medical procedures and unwanted, useless and potentially harmful masking, under the guise of medical necessity.
I try to avoid getting personal but this is too much. You are writing pompous twaddle. We are talking about being asked to take a 5 minute test and wear a lightweight mask from time to time while being inspected.
Well, to maintain the level of mutual respect, you can fuck off and lecture the authorities and the self-serving medics to stop their scaremongering panic nonsense over a jumped up cold, before you have the impertjnence to lecture your betters, who have seen through the panic nonsense or aren’t as cowardly as you, on how they should be kowtowing just as you do, so as not to inconvenience the perpetrators of the aforementioned panic.
You’re talking about appeasement to a bunch of fanatics.
It’s the lily-livered do-gooders that cause all the problems.
Yes it does matter, because otherwise the ‘foot in the door technique’ will start to work and we’ll end up in the same place as the Chinese. That’s how ‘nudge theory’ works.
Are you saying the NHS staff are a bunch of fanatics?
Sorry, that diversion technique died at the hands of Jordan Peterson when he skewered Cathy Newman.
Try something more sophisticated.
No. They are stupid.
The individuals making the demands are just following orders, the fanatics lurk in the background.
You might have added for the political benefit of some and financial reward of others.
Because masks don’t work and the tests have obviously done little to prevent nosocomial infections.
Even if you believe those two debatable propositions – the tests and the mask are trivial concessions and refusing to do them just made life that bit more difficult for hard-pressed staff. You can wear a mask and take a test and still tell the staff that you don’t believe they work but you will do it to help them – thus winning more friends for scepticism.
Somebody really needs to look up ‘foot in the door technique’.
Someone really needs to look up `not behaving like a 5 year old brat’.
What if we make the bald wear wigs in hospital?
Many don’t like bald heads, so it affects others and will have exactly the same affect as masks do in suppressing viral infections.
It’s a little bit like not wearing a hat or a bikini in church. You can think that clothing regulations are absurd. You can think that the religion is a load of bs. But when you are in church and wear a bikini or a hat on the grounds of your freedom of expression to stir up shit, you are just acting like an asshole.
People don’t have to go to church. Hospital, they do and it is their right. Please apply for a brain next time you’re in A&E.
fucking moron
If a workman came into a house and insisted that the customer, who was wearing a mask, take off their mask before they would start work, would you expect the customer to comply? It is an easy thing to take off a mask after all and there’s no harm to the customer involved. And why make the workman’s life more difficult by refusing to take off the mask.
If you don’t think the customer should take off their mask, then consider the asymmetry of your argument. Especially given the scientific evidence suggests that there are no benefits to masks but there are potential harms.
How people conduct themselves in order to pursue the right as they know it is up to them.
But the reason the customer was wearing a mask would presumably be because they believed (rightly or wrongly) it reduced the chances of Covid infection i.e. there was a significant potential cost to taking it off.
And Jonny presumably has come to the view (rightly or wrongly) based on scientific evidence (not belief) that there are potentially significant physical and/or pyschological dangers to mask wearing.
I’m not saying the customer shouldn’t be allowed to wear the mask but that Jonny shouldn’t have to.
You still can’t see the asymmetry of your position.
He she or it is probably still looking for the dictionary, and most likely going round in circles.
But you are making the workman’s life more difficult, and they are there to do a job.
So why are you being awkward insisting on wearing a mask. It’s no trouble to take it off, and there is no real risk from doing so.
But if I genuinely think there is a risk then I am not just being awkward. If Jonny genuinely thinks there is a risk to his health wearing a medical mask for the 30 minutes odd it takes to do an inspection then he is nuts but it is morally understandable.
So anyone who has come to a a reasoned and moral viewpoint different to yours is nuts. And that’s because you know you are right.
Your house, your rules.
Public hospital, public rules.
There is your symmetry.
The Helsinki code says the public hospitals and doctors etc cannot ask the individual to do anything to help ‘society’ or ‘science’.
Rosa Parks: why did you make it that much more difficult for the people transporting you because you refused to move to the segregated seating which they provide? I expect you have confirmed a number of people in their opinion that your lot are a bunch of irrational self-publicists who get a kick out of being difficult.
“It’s only a little seat”, “It’s only a space at the back”, “it’s only apartheid…”
It’s only a gas chamber…….”
That’s an interesting and challenging analogy. I guess the difference is the reason Rosa Parks was required to move to those seats and the immense history of abuse it represented. I suppose the core our disagreement is that you believe that mask wearing and Covid testing is part of some kind of deep oppression similar to the racism of 50’s Southern USA and you are doing something similar to the Civil Rights movement. I think it is a bunch of people struggling to do their best to deal with varying levels of competence. If Rosa Parks had been asked to sit somewhere specific because the authorities genuinely believed it was a safety issue (even though they were wrong) that would have been a very different story.
I think you’ll find the racist authorities in apartheid states did view segregation as a safety issue amongst the myriad other fabricated and delusional issues.
Quite so. The Nazis demonized the Jews to make them out to be vectors of infection, like rats.
And the German populace ‘genuinely believed it…even though they were wrong’ (to quote MTF). So that was all right then: apartheid is OK if you can instil genuine belief, however wrong that belief is.
The Helsinki code says exactly that.
All that is required for evil to flourish is for good men to do nothing.
We proved appeasement didn’t work during the 1930s. No need to repeat the experiment.
How did he make it “much more difficult for the people treating you”?
He saved them the time and cost of a test.
Well, this is awkward, and not a position I expected to find myself in, but I don’t disagree with you. I have no problem at all being tested if it means that genuinely vulnerable people will be protected, and that includes other people in hospital. Earlier this year, I had cause to spent the best part of five months backwards and forwards to the gp surgery, the hospital and various outposts of both for a couple of fairly major health issues, one of which culminated in surgery. I had to have about ten pcr tests in total, for exploratory tests, for surgery and once when I presented at a&e for post-op issues. Not a single test hurt, either during or after. They were all undertaken by nurses, and I did joke that it was a completely different thing being tested by a proper nurse rather than a hastily-trained ex-roadsweeper or some such in a tent in a rainy car park. I have also been happy to self administer lfts in order to visit an elderly uncle in a nursing home. Again, I would hate to have passed on anything to him or to any of the other residents or staff.… Read more »
The reason wards close for infection control is that they stopped doing it routinely when maintenance/cleaning were privatised.
My WW2 trained nurse mum knew all about infection control, her watchword being ‘the most important thing is to clean the drains; if nobody else does it do it yourself’.
To have to close a ward in the 50s and 60s would have been considered dereliction of duty by all concerned.
I can’t possibly keep up with all the responses to this so I will draw a line under it here. First, I regret making what was primarily an emotional response. I try to keep debate to the cool and rational and failed on this occasion. I have a spent a lot of time in hospitals over the last year, have always done my best to help those treating me and been upset when others have made life awkward for them (and incidentally delayed the treatment of others as a result). However, Proveritate makes a good point when drawing the analogy with Rosa Parks. I suggest it comes down to two things. If Jonny genuinely believes that Covid tests, mask wearing etc are part of some deep oppressive movement similar to 50’s racism, then his actions were justifiable. I think he is nuts to believe it in the first place – but I understand the response. If Jonny genuinely believes that wearing a surgical mask for the odd half hour will do him harm that is also nuts but understandable. On the other hand if he thinks that testing and mask wearing are muddled responses from an incompetent administration but do… Read more »
If anything it shows a complete lack of empathy from the self-entitled anti-vaxx pricks toward the medical staff trying to perform their duties.
A completely deplorable behavior, and even more appalling to act prideful about it. It’s no wonder the politicians have such an easy job of instigating hate toward such people.
The defining trait of stupidity is acting in self-harm despite repeated better advice. And this is exactly what we are witnessing here (and no, I’m not referring to the “harm” which purportedly comes from not wearing a useless mask, but rather to the harm of making people who are supposed to help you hate you).
The principle of bodily autonomy, not to mention informed consent to medical treatment, which would include a covid test, still exists in the practice of medicine in this country – just about though – and people are more than entitled to avail of it.
Your fascist comments are the very reason they brought in Nuremburg and the Helsinki codes because there are people as thick as you all over the place who would give up the freedoms our ancestors fought for in return for a jelly baby. Just go and look in the mirror you contemptible little prick.
About changing shifts. Where I was nothing happened on the ward between 07.30-08.30 and again 19.30-20.30.
This was not about swapping hats and coats, it’s when the medical staff brief each other about each patients circumstances. It’s all done on wonderful trolley born computers that they wheel around all day, some staff clearly more comfortable with them than others.
In the spring I was in A&E for a suspected broken wrist wearing a mask; when I suffered a panic attack and took it off the nurse assaulted me. She became aggressive and rammed a visor onto my head with force. Obviously this increased my panic.
I made complaints through PALS but nothing was done and no real apology was ever forthcoming. I have ASD (autistic) and tried to explain that a whole range of sensory issues had occurred over the 2 hours i was in the hospital and eventually led to my meltdown. I was trying to explain from my side what led up to the assault. All they did was excuse the various things that caused me distress, like it was cold because of extra ventilation, wrists are difficult to x-ray so take a long time etc. They couldn’t grasp that I wasn’t complaining about anything except for the nurses aggressive behaviour which only started the instant I took off my mask. It’s almost like they agreed with the nurses behaviour.
It’s left me with a genuine fear of A&E.
They probably grasped it all too well and knew that it wasn’t acceptable and that they couldn’t explain it away, so resorted to answering a different question which you didn’t ask. It’s a favourte tactic of MPs, and the Church of England is also very keen on it.
What are you, some sort of “bedwetter”?
How f**king rude. I’m a 50 year old woman who has struggled most of my life with a difficult mental condition and never asked for any special treatment because of it. All I ask is to be treated with respect, as anyone should be treated. Anxiety attacks, panic attacks or autistic meltdowns are all real and can be terrifying. Surely, NHS staff should recognize one and not make the situation worse?
My brother was in for an consultation last week. It turned into a need to stay and have some minor operation. He said the doctor spoke for 30mins about him not having been vaccinated.
They kept him in for 24hrs, still no operation and no idea when it might happen. He walked out.
I’ve since sent him the latest numbers on deaths and infections for the vaccinated and the Oxford Covid risk calculator. He had never heard of Yellow Card even, but had just a bad feeling about the jabs he says.
“Why aren’t you scared?” That cracked me up! Almost like “Why hasn’t the brainwashing worked on you?” Glad you’re better, Toby. My brother, an absolute sceptic, had have a few days in hospital last spring. He did allow them to take one test because he was in so much pain and needed treatment. But overall his experience was relatively good. He didn’t wear a mask either.
Sorry, I meant Jonny.
Thank you for taking the time to write and share this Jonny. It’s pretty much what I suspected was going on in the NHS. A question that I would try and and remember to ask the staff if ever I have the misfortune of engaging with the NHS again is ‘when do you think this is all going to end?’
Two things – A) they won’t know the answer to that and B) they don’t want it to end – they would lose their sanctified “heroes” status. They can basically write their own cheques at the moment.
Thanks for your account of your experience Jonny.
Extraordinary that the first question they asked was about the experimental vaccine.
If Jonny had been experimentally vaccinated, would they have required the covid test still? All sorts of implications if the test is only required for the unvaccinated especially in terms of the statistics of those who are hospitalised by vaccination status etc.
Or might they have asked the vaccine question first because they’ve been treating so many adverse reactions to the vaccine that knowing the answer narrowed down the possibilities of what was causing your symptoms than any other question could have done.
There would I think, be one very legitimate reason for a hospital to ask if you’ve had a covid vaccine, establishing whether the complaint you’ve come in for might be a side-effect.
Also, forcing a swab in to, of all things, a sore-throat must count as a serious form of assault, if they were so obsessed with a test for their tickbox system couldn’t they have tolerated one dipped in hand sanitiser instead?
Wow… Zero bedside manners… “This patient is so calm… I should scare the crap out of him.”
The picture that emerges here is of medical staff obsessed with covid. They see it everywhere, in everyone. So is it any wonder that we’ve had scandals about deaths wrongly attributed to covid?
I dread to think what would have happened had the test been a false positive… Would he had been placed in isolation for two weeks until he could get the operation done? Are people being denied treatment in this manner, because they are supposedly covid positive, and when they die in waiting, put down as covid casualties?
The main thing you need to be scared about in the NHS is mal-practise and staff indifference.
Maybe because they have repeated first- and second-hand experience of various people dying from COVID-19 in their fine hospital? Just a wild guess…
There is no test for Covid.
F*ck masks, tests, & ‘vaccines’. Bin the f*cking lot of them.
Yes I agree. There are no circumstances in which I’d agree to any of them.
There is actually no ‘typical’ experience in the NHS. It varies. In all my experience, I’ve never had an issue with the jab issue. The last time I was asked was a cursory question from the hospital pharmacist before discharge. Testing is a bone of contention, and I refuse to have anyone but myself do nasal swabbing, since I have an extremely sensitive nostril – apart from the flaws in the test. On masks – I decided a while back that this was the one place where I wore one – partly in sympathy with the poor buggers who were forced to whilst dong a good job for me. At least on admission. I have to have too many visits to make it a constant and pointless bone of contention. Usually, I then treat it with the contempt it deserves (around the chin) and ‘forget’. Only the lower levels level of staff are occasionally likely to make it an issue. I have been an in-patient and never worn one, or had that fact questioned. The thing is, all this shite is handed down in a service which, apart from the subjection to the wider psy-op, operates on the basis of… Read more »
“Usually, I then treat it with the contempt it deserves (around the chin) and ‘forget’. Only the lower levels level of staff are occasionally likely to make it an issue. ”
This merely reinforces the fact that they know full well it’s demonstrative nonsense of no real medical importance.
“This remains a political issue, not one symptomatic of the NHS.”
It genuinely amazes me how you and those of your political ilk can impose a state health system upon the entire nation, forcing everyone to pay for it whether they want it or not and governing it by political rules and politically raised funding, and then claim to be outraged when the resulting system is political in its very essence. What on earth did you expect?
As usual – point missed by a mile from behind the specs of preconception and tub-thumping.
Go and bore the Tooting Trots – your similarly blinkered counterparts.
While spending 3 weeks as an inpatient (see above), no patients wore masks and the only hand sanitizers were within the toilet cubicles.
+1 for Franke Howerd
Their experience of being in hospital adds to impression that hospitals have resembled the killing fields for some years.
In last 20 years I’ve twice rescued a relative from being written-off by hospitals, once due to misdiagnosis, other time due to sedative over-dose. Twice they fully recovered, happily regained their independent life and are still going strong.
100+ post-op dead in a hospital in Gosport (UK) years ago still not got to Court. 100s of new-born and birth-associated deaths in other hospitals years ago, not yet arrived in Court either.
April 20 NHS GPs stopped scrips for anti-asthmatic medication; private sector GPs continued to provide medication until this month. Their explanation – GMC rules which comply with government policy
For the vast majority of people out there the survival rate for covid19 is 99+% and while I do appreciate the seriousness of covid to those who are very elderly and/or have underlying health issues what I don’t understand is why when something just as deadly came along like a new strain of influenza which was just as contagious and just as deadly claiming many thousands of lives I was never once asked to wear a mask and inquired whether I have had a flu jab or not – in fact during one flu season that killed many thousands of people in 2017/18 – I was in and out of hospital at this time with severe kidney stone pain and never once when I was seen by a doctor, examined, x-rayed or scanned did I have to wear a mask or was asked whether I had had the flu jab. But here is another thing – a few years ago there were pregnent women flying in from Nigeria on a weekly basis to take advantage of free NHS treatment and maternity care – were any of these women tested for Yellow Fever, Dengue Fever, Aids or TB? In fact TB… Read more »
TB jabs don’t work on adults, only children. But yes we ought to have much better disease screening for immigrants. Problem is they enter as tourists and I don’t think we want to be screening all tourists.
My first thought, when reading of the doc who refused to continue treatment to an unswabbed throat, was to wonder whether a polite question as to whether he’d like a quick chat with your lawyer might have helped?
Very nice idea. They would go buy toilet paper for own use.