Daily Cases Continue to Fall
Daily Covid infections in Britain have fallen again and deaths are also down, easing the pressure for the Government to implement ‘Plan B’. MailOnline has more.
The Department of Health reported 36,657 new cases in the past 24 hours, down a quarter on the figure last week and the second day in a row there has been a week-on-week drop. Cases had risen for 18 days prior to Sunday.
Many experts predicted that the October half-term – which for many schools began today – would drag infection rates down and act as a miniature ‘firebreaker’.
There were also 38 coronavirus deaths registered today, down around 16% on the toll last Monday. U.K.-wide hospital data isn’t due until tomorrow.
A technical issue means the promising statistics do not include data from Wales, which is recording on average 3,200 daily cases and nine deaths per day. The trajectory of the epidemic is likely to remain unchanged, even with the inclusion of Wales’ infection numbers.
Yet, Sir Keir Starmer became the latest figure to call for the Government to revert to Plan B today and bring back a suite of Covid curbs.
It comes amid an escalating row about how Britain’s epidemic will unfold in the coming months and whether compulsory face masks, working from home and vaccine passports are necessary.
Independent scientists told MailOnline they expect that a combination of the booster vaccine rollout and rising natural immunity in children will lead to a ‘substantial and rapid’ fall in cases, hospitalisations and deaths in weeks.
The topic has also divided No 10’s own scientific advisory panel SAGE, with several key members publicly lobbying for more restrictions to safeguard the NHS from being overwhelmed in the coming months.
But many of the scenarios forecasted by the group’s modelling teams have daily cases plunging over the coming weeks to as low as 5,000, even if the virus is allowed to spread unchecked. The unusually optimistic modelling has given ministers the confidence to reject growing calls for them to revert to Plan B.
Worth reading in full.
Stop Press: The Telegraph’s Sarah Knapton has more about the (for once) optimistic modelling in the Telegraph.
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“Safeguard the NHS from being overwhelmed”. Change the f*cking record! This sh*t is getting boring now. They’ve had 18 months to prepare! Wasted billions on Spy n Snitch instead of increasing capacity.
Quite.
One has to wonder how long the general public will put up with this for.
Quite a while if the f*ckwits I work with are anything to go by. I bumped into an old acquaintance today. He had a face nappy on outside. Asked me how I was “coping with Covid”. He’d had it bad apparently, but not bad enough to end up in hospital. I told him straight I don’t wear face nappies, have never been tested, and have not had 1, never mind 2 or 3 of the ‘vaccines’. There ended the conversation…
Ha like me when people say “stay safe”. And I say “from what”. They say “from Covid”. “Why?” And so on. They give up after a while 😂
Stay safe from “The Pandemic”. I cringe when people refer to it as ‘the pandemic’. No, it was just working class plebs like me delivering stuff to middle class plebs who were ‘too scared’ to go into the workplace. Nothing more…
Scared? Doubt it. Too eager to work less for the same pay, more like.
I wonder if those that planned and executed this whole thing knew that the masses were well up for staying at home for a few months watching Netflix and pretending to work.
There are plenty of people scared sh*tless. 18 months of Government/MSM/NHS propaganda will do that to the weak minded sheeple…
Stay safe from the prevailing hysteria?
The Branch Covidians are such self-righteous cretins, tree-hugging, hunt-sabbing, LibDems to a tee. Their conviction emanates from them with the force field of a damaged atomic power station. They certainly restore my belief in the existence of evil.
You say that about Lib Dems, but the other day I accidentally caught part of an interview with Lembit Opik – remember him? He came across as a complete covid sceptic, literally saying that it is, and never was anything to do with health, only control !!
I wondered what a LibDem was doing talking sense, then I looked him up and apparently he has been expelled from the party so is now free to talk as much sense as he wants to.
The sheeple are lapping it up……They are a bigger threat now than the evil psychopaths running this charade!!
Spy & Snitch as you call it which was ridiculed as a white elephant waste of billions when they started it , was in fact the bedrock of TPTB vaccine passport plan ! Obvious now of course 🤦🏼♂️😳
How much spent on diversity managers?
Unemployable friends and relatives of politicians have to be provided with sinecures loaded with mega-salaries, pensions and opportunities to bully and persecute un-believers.
And not a tiny scrap of this on the BBC website. As usual the “evening update” mysteriously misses the daily data.
I wish I kept stats as to when they repot “surges” versus when they report cases falling.
Apparently a job advert looking for a “new call team to assist with the roll out of vax passports” was removed today. Not looking too good.
As a general principal, I presume that if the media stops reporting something, then it has improved a lot. Like, India suddenly disappeared, and more recently, Brazil. Been pretty quiet about Florida as well, of late 🙂
Not a peep about Sweden throughout the whole thing, except for that spell last winter where they almost lost their nerve.
And not a word about the fuel ‘crisis’ which seems to have evaporated like spilt petrol.
They can’t mention a fuel crisis with COP26 coming up. The whole scamfest is embarrassing enough for them anyway.
On the BBC Website front page this morning.
Covid: Are cases about to plummet without Plan B?
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-59039739
Nick Triggle has been one of the few journalists to come out of this with a shred of decency intact. Most of the rest of them we’re in Julius Streicher territory.
Yes I often wonder if he’s a sceptic himself. Certainly stands out as presenting a balanced view unlike 99% of his colleagues.
Except that history isn’t taught at school any more.
Ooh, I’d better go and have a look before that is disappeared!
The first rule of holes: if you find yourself in a hole, stop digging. Starmer seems to be in need of unconscious hole digging training.
He needs a bigger shovel.
I think I’ve become cynical, my first thought on reading this was… Why would they drop the cycle rate for the pcr now?…. Possibly so they can increase it again in a few weeks after the jamboree in Scotland.
That was my immediate thought.
The number of cases is pretty much controllable by the government. They can just up the testing on some pretext, or dial up the sensitivity of the tests, or launch a vaccine booster programme and, hey presto!, it’s a new casedemic.
Maybe the Health Secretary operates it all via a dial in his office.
Do they really need to do any ‘testing’?
Does anyone here really believe anything that Westminster or Whitehall puts out?
How come Toby is conditioning people into believing a PCR positive result equates to a ‘covid infection’?
It’s not easy fighting the corruption of words.
I call it the “corona crisis” or “corona bullshit”, never the pandemic.
i call it a jab not a vaccine.
I call them positive tests, not cases.
But it’s a daily effort, swimming against the current, refusing to refer to things the way most people do.
However, I admit, it’s a necessary part of the fight to resist and the DS should recognise that words matter and not contribute to the corruption of language.
panicdemic
All part of his controlled opposition briefing.
Who is controlling him?
I’m no TY fanboy and often post criticisms of what he writes, but I’ve seen no evidence that casts doubt on his sincerity.
There’s no polite way of putting this, but Kneel Starmer is as absolute knobhead. The guy needs a fucking good hiding.
Form an orderly queue now!
Couldn’t agree more. His political stance is against all beliefs of those who would traditionally vote Labour. The working classes who stand to loose the most. Total idiot.
He’s doing what he has done all along. Play politics. He’s laying down the groundwork to try to capitalise on anything that can be portrayed as government failure.
And it will work to a point because we are surrounded by a dumb braying public that thinks their problems need to be resolved by government diktat. Starmer is playing to mental slaves of which there are many.
He’s just Tony Blair’s representative up here on Earth. Ensuring that in the event of Johnson being kicked out of office, there is still a reliable globalist to take his place.
Like for like then now that Bojoke is under Nut Nuts control !!
Can I help , we could a few people down from Rochdale , I’m sure they would be happy to wade in with us !
On the face of it, this is good. But the whole issue of cases, which are reliant on testing numbers, and deaths and how they are defined lacks any normal scientific scrutiny. I just don’t trust them. Boosters, cases go down, boosters stall, they go up, they will spin it any way they want. Where I work in a very high case area apparently, this is not translating into admissions at this point.
Yeah, but you can’t ignore the bodies lying around the streets in heads, can you?
Its trouble-makers like you that cause problems for OURNHS.
Actually it’s more like 6,400 Welsh cases missing as they normally report 2 days’ counts on a Monday (ie including Saturday’s). nevertheless the final number for today will still be around 12% down on last Monday’s, so similar to yesterday’s reported 11.5% fall.
Cases or tests?
Positive tests of course. I just wanted to correct the numbers being quoted as they were an inaccurate as they exaggerated the downward trend. I am a statistician by profession – hence a nerd!
Correction: any drop in cases does not, in no way, ease the pressure for the government to implement plan B. That implies that government does not want to implement plan B, and they would implement it only begrudgingly. This assumption is false. Any drop in cases actually places more pressure on the government to implement plan B, because they are very keen to make it seem that it was their lockdown that caused the drop in cases, and it didn’t just happen regardless.
Exactly. Excellently put.
Could it be that Johnson can see political capital in “cases” falling without further measures? He could then say that far from locking down too late, lockdowns achieved little, had devastating side effects and were forced on him by Gove, Hancock, Cummings etc. It would be fairly shameless but, let’s face it, Johnson’s shame disappeared many, many years ago.
No, because Boris is not doing this by himself. The UK government is not doing this by themselves. They have higher powers to answer to, and if Boris steps out of line, the insurance policies kick in and he will be socially destroyed. No one gets into such a position of power without someone having dirt on them to keep them in check.
If that is the case, why is the UKHSA (formerly PHE) free to publish weekly updates that completely undermine the vaccine narrative. And why has Johnson just publicly stated the vaccines don’t stop infections or infectiousness? Whatever is going on in sleepy Joe land, or on the European mainland (cursed as it is by the EU and the Napoleonic code) I just don’t believe that the Swaub/ WEF pulling the strings story stacks up. Much like the 5G nonsense and the denial that covid exists, I think these have been controlled reductio ad absurd arguments to undermine lockdown scepticism. They are the intellectual equivalent of the mysterious man, at an early lockdown protest, with the fascist banner. Doubtless there will now be a torrent of abuse heaped upon me for this heresy but it is perfectly possible to, rationally, oppose lockdown and the vaccines policy without believing in the modern day equivalent of dodgy hand shakes, blood libels and international conspiracy.
I met some bankers earlier this month amongst a group of longtime school chums originally from Lancashire but most of them in London now ,? they were in Wales on a joint 50th get together , over a few pints & games of pool I probed & the Top Banker Boy reckoned the WEF is just full of old twats wanking themselves ( his exact words ) I still remain sceptical though 😳
I respect scepticism but the WEF theory has become a bit of an accepted orthodoxy on here in recent weeks with everyone from Toby to Concrete68 being attacked if they disagree. I don’t doubt that there is group think going on; I don’t doubt that man “dressed in a little brief authority” is relishing the coercive powers of pointless vaccine mandates, especially when they have popularity to court, with the ignorant boomers, to win elections; I don’t doubt that there is bacchanalian levels of corruption and cronyism going on; and I don’t doubt that Gates and Blair are trying to spin things for a variety of reasons, not least of which is narcissism. But, I just do not believe that the World is being played like a glorified Punch and Judy show.
If data that undermines the vaccine narrative is being published every day, why isn’t everyone up in arms about it? The answer is pretty simple: because to them the data doesn’t say any such thing.
Besides, just think about what it would take to publish fake data. Consider how many people there would have to be in on the scam to make that happen. The more people involved, the higher the chances that you will get leaks. Far more easier to control people’s understanding of the data than to control the people publishing the data.
Let’s run through the reasons for media control in England. First up the BBC which has the sword of Damocles of the license fee held over its head. If it upsets the government it will cease to exist. The Guardian is completely dependent on state advertising for its existence. It also came out early and hard in favour of lockdown and vaccines. Channel 4 repeat the BBC situation. The Telegraph is getting very close to questioning the vaccine narrative but isn’t quite there yet, likewise the Mail. Both publications have been sceptical throughout. Can’t Swaub and Gates get to Allison Pearson, Ross Clark, Peter Hitchens etc etc.
Sounds to me like you’re trying to make an all or nothing argument. Just because there’s still people and organizations that go against the established narrative doesn’t mean that the rest of them aren’t controlled from on high.
That’s a childish argument. If there are exceptions, you try claiming that it means there is no rule. If there are no exceptions, you try claiming that they can’t possibly own everyone.
People are people at the end of the day, subject to all sorts of prejudice, bias, cognitive dissonance etc. As an example, Private Eye and Ian Hislop have completely disgraced themselves, in my opinion, during this debacle. Do I think Hislop is controlled? Is he b”locks. He has fallen foul of the prejudiced virtue signalling of social media like so many others. I acknowledge that Gates and others can influence responses and, doubtless have done, especially through their leverage of academia but, again I just don’t believe that means there is going to be a great reset and we are all going to be microchipped, especially as nearly everyone in the developed world is, already, voluntarily chipped via the phones in their pockets. There are numerous examples of corruption, sleaze and cronyism but to claim they are all driven by a great reset is to generalise in just the manner for which you criticised me. Lots of people are greedy immoral shits who will do anything for a quick buck, this business has been a heaven sent opportunity for them.
The problem is that we see common trends in almost all ruling bodies. Like it or not, we are headed for a great reset, and this is coming from various world leaders, not from “conspiracy theorists”. Ever heard of “Build Back Better”? It wasn’t us that came up with that. As for tracking us… I have heard of some weird anecdotal occurrences. People that paid to get genuine vaccine certificates without actually getting the vaccine. They just went in, got a saline shot, and got the certificate. Then they were stopped at the airport, going through the security scanners, being told that they are not vaccinated and that their certificates are invalid. Sure, maybe they somehow found out about the arrangement, there is always that possibility. But it does seem kinda weird, doesn’t it? Why wait until the security scanners? The whole point is that we are seeing some very coordinated efforts from bodies which are seemingly not coordinating with eachother. We are seeing some very weird events going on. While we may not have enough information to know what’s actually going on, we do have enough to know that something is going on, and that we should look into… Read more »
We see common trends in ruling bodies because, generally, those who enter politics are venal, narcissistic pompous shits. That they all carry on behaving as venal, narcissistic, pompous shits once they achieve any sort of power is no great surprise.
“Build back better” is a phrase dreamt up by a marketing bod who probably thinks they are terribly clever but, just because it was used at a WEF meeting, doesn’t mean it is prima facie evidence that Boris Johnson is a reptile.
Out of interest, where did this saline shot/ false vax passport event occur and why bother with a saline shot if you could just get a fake vax passport anyway? Sorry it just doesn’t add up.
Venal, narcissistic, pompous shits that all decide, at the same time, to throw out all the established guidelines and follow the exact same agenda? Yeah, that’s too much of a coincidence right there.
And while the phrase may have been dreamt up by a marketing body, why is everyone using it? Surely, if it was Biden’s people that came up with it, only Biden would be using it.
Because there were cameras in the vaccination centre precisely to stop that kind of loophole.
‘…why is the UKHSA (formerly PHE) free to publish weekly updates that completely undermine the vaccine narrative.’ Because the muddled masses have been pumped with so much propaganda that it is no skin off the regine’s nose to have this data in plain view. It’s the same with ‘masking.’ Prior to the ‘pandemic’ it was widely recognised in scientific circles that wearing masks offered no tangible benefit in terms of the contraction and transmission of a virus. The trials/papers had been very consistent. This evidence is readily available to anyone willing to take a butcher’s. Even in Feb/March 2020 our own dear leaders conceded the ineffectual nature of wearing masks.Yet governments/regimes everywhere suddenly stopped, turned science on its head, called this new non-science ‘The Science’, and got away with it with barely a peep from the sedated masses. Suddenly it became heresy to say what everyone had been saying for at least two decades, including our own leaders at the beginning of the outbreak. It is now abubdantly clear to the regime that it can lie to us and get away with it without having to hide the truth. You’ve seen the Yellow Card data. It’s freely available. It’s horrifying.… Read more »
Interesting: please expand on ‘…insurance policies kick in and he will be socially destroyed…’
I’ve first seen it happen in Romania. Almost everyone in government has a dossier attached to them, with all sorts of crimes and irregularities. When they do something wrong, the dossier is pulled out and made public. The same dossier is used at the end of a president’s term, to give the people a clear enemy that they can hate instead of spend time thinking about their vote, and also to make the new president look like a hero for exposing the old regime. Of course, nothing really comes of it, and the former president gets to live on in peace and enjoy his plunder, despite all the heinous crimes he was accused of. Then there’s the case of Jeffrey Epstein. Do you think he was just running an “amusement” island? He was recording his “guests”. Considering the type of people he was mingling with, do you think any of them would have spent even a second around him had they thought he was spying on them? Of course not. Thing is, he wasn’t spying on them. Besides being a playground for sickos, he was also acting as a purveyor of insurance policies. You want to play with the big… Read more »
Seems to drop as often as his trousers.
Some great things came out of Geneva. Calvinism. This: The Physician’s Pledge AS A MEMBER OF THE MEDICAL PROFESSION: I SOLEMNLY PLEDGE to dedicate my life to the service of humanity; THE HEALTH AND WELL-BEING OF MY PATIENT will be my first consideration; I WILL RESPECT the autonomy and dignity of my patient; I WILL MAINTAIN the utmost respect for human life; I WILL NOT PERMIT considerations of age, disease or disability, creed, ethnic origin, gender, nationality, political affiliation, race, sexual orientation, social standing or any other factor to intervene between my duty and my patient; I WILL RESPECT the secrets that are confided in me, even after the patient has died; I WILL PRACTISE my profession with conscience and dignity and in accordance with good medical practice; I WILL FOSTER the honour and noble traditions of the medical profession; I WILL GIVE to my teachers, colleagues, and students the respect and gratitude that is their due; I WILL SHARE my medical knowledge for the benefit of the patient and the advancement of healthcare; I WILL ATTEND TO my own health, well-being, and abilities in order to provide care of the highest standard; I WILL NOT USE my medical knowledge… Read more »
I’m sorry but we’re past this. Our lives cannot be hanging on whether “cases” go up or down. If we continue to obsess about this we are all going to go mad(der).
That graph is not correct. There was 60k cases a day in July. When we “unlocked”
I really hope this is finally the peak – we have had so many apparent downturns over the last few months that have been trumpeted on this site and then quietly forgotten when they turned out to be illusions. But “the second day in a row there has been a week-on-week drop. Cases had risen for 18 days prior to Sunday.” is not very convincing.
They only proved to be illusionary because the government started vaccinating a new cohort of (healthy) people and depressing their immune systems in the process. Cases have been falling in the unvaccinated for months.
Cases have been falling in the unvaccinated for months.
In the UK? Are you sure of that? Everything I have read suggests the outbreak has been sustained by cases among the unvaccinated young.
Also the claim that vaccination depresses the immune system seems to be more of an internet rumour than substantial research – but maybe you have something solid?
The studies submitted to the “regulators” conceded that the vaccines depress the immune system hence why full vaccination status isn’t achieved until 14 days after the second dose.
As for the increasing rate of infection in the unvaccinated, in all age groups over 30 (and rapidly heading into the red in twenty somethings) just because you don’t accept UKHSA/PHE data, or, indeed, the Lancet study showing that confounders have negligible impact on the raw data, doesn’t mean it isn’t true.
Doubtless you don’t believe the UKHSA when they say: “ N antibody levels appear to be lower in individuals who acquire infection following 2 doses of vaccination.”
The studies submitted to the “regulators” conceded that the vaccines depress the immune system hence why full vaccination status isn’t achieved until 14 days after the second dose. Ah – you meant the temporary dip for a week or so after being vaccinated. That would hardly account for the cases we are seeing. We are doing something in the order of 60,000 vaccinations a day and getting about 40,000 cases a day – do you really think two thirds of the people vaccinated are getting Covid shortly afterwards? As for the increasing rate of infection in the unvaccinated, in all age groups over 30 (and rapidly heading into the red in twenty somethings) just because you don’t accept UKHSA/PHE data, or, indeed, the Lancet study showing that confounders have negligible impact on the raw data, doesn’t mean it isn’t true Even you believe UKHSA/PHE data the concern is about relative rates of infection (vaxx versus non-vaxx) within an age group. To determine which age group has the most influence on overall figures you need to know which age group has the most cases and that is the under 18 age group by a long way – 46% of cases over… Read more »
Full vaccination status is not achieved until two weeks after a second dose. It is on that data that the vaccines were granted emergency licenses. Scandalously, the impact of the vaccines on immunity up until two weeks after vaccination was not subject to regulatory approval. When you look at the data from Gibraltar, Iceland, Cyprus etc it points, fairly clearly to a spike in infections coinciding with the vaccine roll out. That the most cases are apparent in the most tested is hardly a surprise. That the vaccine roll out has, fortunately, proved unsuccessful in that age cohort means cases in that cohort are likely to be in the unvaccinated. That there are more cases in the vaccinated, than the unvaccinated, in every cohort that has been significantly vaccinated is clear evidence that cases in the unvaccinated have been in decline, for natural reasons, for months. I understand that the revelation that antibody levels are lower in the vaxed is not proof that the vaxes suppress immunity; however, the revelation does provide yet more, clear evidence that the vaxed, who have been infected by covid, are less resistant to reinfection than those who haven’t been vaxed who have acquired immunity… Read more »
Full vaccination status is not achieved until two weeks after a second dose. It is on that data that the vaccines were granted emergency licenses. Scandalously, the impact of the vaccines on immunity up until two weeks after vaccination was not subject to regulatory approval. I don’t agree but it is not relevant to the point that a dip in immunity following vaccination couldn’t possibly account for the number of cases we are seeing at the moment. When you look at the data from Gibraltar, Iceland, Cyprus etc it points, fairly clearly to a spike in infections coinciding with the vaccine roll out. I won’t look at them all but take Gibraltar as an example. There was a single sharp peak in cases that started in Dec 20 and peaked on about 7th or 8th of Jan by mid-Feb it was over. The vaccination programme got underway on the 10th of Jan and continued through to the end of May. No way were the vaccines causing the peak in cases. That the most cases are apparent in the most tested is hardly a surprise. The surge may to some extent be down to testing but that doesn’t mean vaccines caused the surge… Read more »
If your natural immunity is compromised from the moment of your first injection until two weeks after the receipt of your second, then it would, comfortably, explain the number of infections we are seeing at the moment. But the factor that really explains the disproportionate infections we are seeing in the vaccinated cohort in every age group above thirty is that the vaccines not only don’t prevent infection, they lead, over a short period of time, to infection being more likely, if vaccinated. Aside from anything else, infections have been occurring at a much higher rate, this year, in a largely vaccinated population than at the same time last year when no one had been vaccinated. The idea that, for example, forty somethings, who were offered their vaccines a couple of months ago, and declined, have suddenly chosen to be vaccinated and that explains an infection rate in the vaccinated double that of the unvaccinated is clutching at straws. As for Gibraltar, I will accept that the timing doesn’t fit as it does in Cyprus or Iceland. However, the significant rise in infections, in a fully vaccinated population, four months after the vaccination program was completed was a canary in… Read more »
If your natural immunity is compromised from the moment of your first injection until two weeks after the receipt of your second, then it would, comfortably, explain the number of infections we are seeing at the moment. But that is not what the evidence suggests (at least the evidence I have seen). It suggests that for one week after each injection immunity is slightly lower than it was beforehand. After about a week you are no worse off, and after another two weeks you reach the higher level of immunity that the injection provides. So for each injection just one week of lower immunity. But the factor that really explains the disproportionate infections we are seeing in the vaccinated cohort in every age group above thirty is that the vaccines not only don’t prevent infection, they lead, over a short period of time, to infection being more likely, if vaccinated. But the age groups where the vaccination efficacy is falling off are the ones that were vaccinated first – many months ago. Nothing to do with the short term suppression of immunity immediately following injection. Aside from anything else, infections have been occurring at a much higher rate, this year, in… Read more »
The significant confounder to all arguments about vaccine efficacy , hinted at by your time scale of UK infections ( which, I would add, misunderstands my point that infections (and indeed deaths from covid and generally) in October 2020 were significantly lower than we are seeing in October 2021) is that, until recently, the unvaxed were being assured that they couldn’t get covid because they had been vaxed. Therefore all the side effects that were seen, after injection, particularly first injection if my family and friends are typical, were put down to side effects as they couldn’t be infections because “they had been injected”. Therefore injected people weren’t being tested in anything like the numbers we are now seeing. The really frightening prospect is that a significant proportion of the infections we are now seeing in the unvaxed are, in fact second infections post vaccination. Unfortunately, because the trials, for the sake of brevity, were undertaken without consideration of infections, only outcomes, and during a period of significantly declining infections at that, they couldn’t highlight the extent to which the vaccinations might be drivers of infection. And, I am afraid you did suggest in your previous post that vaccine uptake… Read more »
The significant confounder to all arguments about vaccine efficacy , hinted at by your time scale of UK infections ( which, I would add, misunderstands my point that infections (and indeed deaths from covid and generally) in October 2020 were significantly lower than we are seeing in October 2021) is that, until recently, the unvaxed were being assured that they couldn’t get covid because they had been vaxed. Really? My family weren’t. Why compare October to October? Surely it is more relevant to compare epidemic to epidemic. Cases were lower in April 21 then they were in April 20 despite a much higher level of testing – but I don’t think it proves much. Therefore all the side effects that were seen, after injection, particularly first injection if my family and friends are typical, were put down to side effects as they couldn’t be infections because “they had been injected”. Therefore injected people weren’t being tested in anything like the numbers we are now seeing. It is an interesting hypothesis – any evidence for it other than your family? It remains true that 45% of the cases at the moment are in the U18 age group who are either unvaxxed or… Read more »
The significant mitigation between this October and last October is that last October no one had been injected, this year 80% of the adult population has been injected, yet covid mortality is four times higher. Can you quote a single example of Johnson telling people the injection doesn’t stop infections or infectiousness before 22-10-21? People feeling dreadful after their first injection was so generic that it was all I had to listen to for months on end from the injected. As I said before, 45% of infections are in the most tested cohort of the population and also the least vaccinated. That is going to confound any conclusions that could be drawn. I know you choose to ignore it, but the UKHSA data are fairly damning and they can’t be explained away by more people being vaccinated because, for all we don’t agree on much, I think we can agree, with a degree of confidence, that those of us who haven’t been injected, so far, are unlikely to be rolling up our sleeves at this stage. I am not saying there is a failure in recording who is vaccinated, I am saying that any data about people testing positive post… Read more »
The significant mitigation between this October and last October is that last October no one had been injected, this year 80% of the adult population has been injected, yet covid mortality is four times higher. I am not convinced but let’s try October. Deaths (using the 28 day measure): 1st to 26th Oct 2020: 2796 1st to 26th Oct 2021: 3045 i.e. hardly any difference in mortality although cases are way higher this year. Can you quote a single example of Johnson telling people the injection doesn’t stop infections or infectiousness before 22-10-21? That would take too much time. Can you find a single example of Johnson or Hancock or Javid saying they prevent all infections as opposed to reducing them (which they do). People feeling dreadful after their first injection was so generic that it was all I had to listen to for months on end from the injected. Well me, my family and friends had no problem with either injection. I suggest we ignore personal anecdotes. As I said before, 45% of infections are in the most tested cohort of the population and also the least vaccinated. That is going to confound any conclusions that could be drawn. It doesn’t… Read more »
Indeed, a good discussion. Not seeking to have the last word but I mixed up my vaxed and unvaxed here:
“The really frightening prospect is that a significant proportion of the infections we are now seeing in the unvaxed are, in fact second infections post vaccination.” That should be infections in the vaxed not unvaxed.
Anyway, good to talk to you.
‘. . something solid?’
Yes, since you ask a serious question. I have sense enough to question why politicians only argue with the public, and not each other, about the common cold and it’s cousin, seasonal ‘flu.
I can see an agenda which is all about control, and not about the public’s health.
Re depression of the immune system:-
https://www.nature.com/articles/s41541-021-00356-x
Extremely long and detailed but confirms that the foreign/synthetic mrna in Pfizer has to be “modified” lest it be destroyed by the immune system before it can “infect” cells and instruct them to produce the desired spike protein.
The modification results, quite deliberately, in certain TLR’s being switched off, together with the P53 gene. The TLR’s are needed to fight infection and mark cancer cells, the p53 is said to be the cancer suppression gene.
Thus maybe greater immediate susceptibility of infection and, possibly, cancers in the longer term?
The peak of what? Test results that indicate very little, regarding a respiratory virus that is not dangerous at a societal level?
I’m more interested to know when the madness and evil peak. Not in my lifetime I fear. Maybe my kids will see a time when the Big Lie is exposed.
Toby Young seemed to think it was important enough to report.
Indeed he did – and I (and others) have often taken issue with the DS and their tacit acceptance of the mad parallel universe fantasy world where covid is an unprecedented deadly pandemic, and all the lying language that goes with it. That said, it’s obviously difficult as a mainstream journalist to stay outside of the mad narrative, given the level of brainwashing that has gone on. Distortion of the truth via distortion of the meaning of language works – that’s why evil despots do it.
There are no peaks nor are there any troughs.
The numbers are issued whenever the sheeple need to be nudged in a new direction. It’s a scamdemic for the use of politicians.
Nothing more than that, from start to finish, which it won’t.
if they ramp up the boosters, it will go back up. Like in Israel. Then come back down again. Then they will wear off in Jan/Feb and start to rise again. Then they’ll boost some more and there will be another peak in mArch and then it will fall until the summer and then a rise as they wear off…..and so on
Yawn.
According to the Hope-Simpson model (aka superspreader model) we’re due a resurgence in cases in mid Nov to early Dec. Case numbers over 100k per day, hospitalisations at over 1,000 per day. I find this difficult to believe because we’re already at 40k cases per day and surely there’s few susceptible people in the population left to infect — but that’s what the model says.
They’ll probably go to plan B, but it won’t make any difference.
I see that the mystery downvoter is still on today. If you haven’t got any constructive criticism please FO and die!
Do you think the gormless individual concerned is on piecework? Free doughnut for every X downvotes, or perhaps burger vouchers.
Don’t be nasty to that nice Mr Elwood !!
It is the half term holidays. There’s always less testing on the holidays, and thus fewer positive tests.
Let’s see where we are next week.
More importantly it is the lead-in to FLOP26!
More from Lithuania;
https://mailchi.mp/tomwoods/lith?e=6fe7ac95b6
A nightmare coming here soon unless we somehow block the introduction of ‘vaccine passports’
FYI. Your email address seems to be at the bottom of that.
The original story is here: https://txti.es/covid-pass/images
The Telegraph
Leaked Government report: Vaccine passports could fuel Covid and cost venues millions. The policy could push more people away from stadiums into poorly ventilated pubs and require large venues to hire 5,700 new stewards.
Thread:
https://twitter.com/Telegraph/status/1452741666712997888?s=20
Psssttt….
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Just came across this. Doesn’t tally with what is reported elsewhere
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/health-fitness/body/fed-anti-vaxxers-taking-hospital-beds/?li_source=LI&li_medium=liftigniter-rhr
I wondered where I’d heard that name before. This guy has form. He is the “blood on their hands” doctor from last year.
https://www.scotsman.com/news/opinion/columnists/covid-do-you-have-blood-your-hands-scotsman-comment-3082900
His credibility is nil.
Yes, I recall him too.
What struck me this time was that the headline message completely contradicted what is being reported from other sources
Keir Starmer is the living embodiment of the banality of evil. A dull man entirely lacking in charm, who just glibly parrots every line of psychotic globalist claptrap and goes on TV and calls for more of it or less of it depending on which is more politically expedient on any given day. What a dreadful phenomenon he is.
I don’t think anyone, throughout this entire crisis, can fuck off quite as much as Keir Starmer.
With a good haircut he is Max Headroom !! Vacuous Twat !
Surely, the figures are being manipulated to facilitate COP26, aren’t they? The withdrawal of China etc already throws its credibility into doubt: as it’s been announced that none of the 20,000+ delegates needs to have been vaccinated and that the Scots’ ‘Nightingale’ hospital site has been repurposed to house the conference, everything possible is being done to reassure people.
Imagine the impact of Plan B being implemented days before delegates start to travel.
No, figures will continue to ‘improve’ until after COP then watch them rocket followed by Plan B and regional lockdowns soon after. The only question is when full lockdown starts and when it’s lifted.
The globalists and their lackeys know if they push the narrative of falling cases and gaslight the MPs into going against this government, their work will be achieved. The vaxxed will spread a really bad flu around themselves, even infecting the unvaxxed and the death rate will soar. Then the globalists can blame the unvaxxed, take their children away and implement the next stage of depopulation.
I have given up expecting the vaxxed to use their intelligence. I pray we will be able to save some of them but I think the majority will be ‘lost’.
Why is there such little comment that Wales still has a stricter mask policy, vaccine passports but yet has a higher infection rate.
BBC Radio 4 this am (Nick Robinson) interviewed sick Covid19 hospital patient in Lancashire- double vaccinated, mask wearing ,reluctant to mix individual who was induced by NR to blame his infection in the irresponsible non mask wearers who were mixing. Any reasonable journalist would have questioned how and why the patient could have got infected :but not N R.
WAKE UP BBC. Masks do not work and vaccination does not eliminate Covid19.
Sssshhhhh… don’t question the narrative.
“cases may start to climb again in the spring, due to a combination of waning immunity and increased contacts.”. Well there you have it. The efficacy of the vaccines is so short that they are not fit for purpose. When will the govt wake up and understand this, and that natural immunity is the only real immunity, and that Ivermectin is the go-to medicine to effectively treat early cases. It also makes a mockery of vaccine passports, e.g. as in Scotland, and as Joe Biden is imposing left, right and centre, including now for non-US travellers to the USA.
Simple really, 2020 those with Comorbidity who died were listed as CONvid mortality……..2021 those being killed by the snake oil are being listed as deaths due to the morbidity they may have………………….got to keep the fear going, but not at the expense of so called ‘saving of life’ poison
A bit disappointing to find LDS hanging onto falling ‘case’ numbers for encouragement. The case numbers are meaningless: they are not cases – which require symptoms and a diagnosis – but mere PCR positives, an increase in which can be ordered up any time by quietly telling the Lighthouse labs to up the secret cycle count. The fact that these money-spinning scam-pits don’t publish their positive rates and cycle numbers is scandalous.
Just short of 18 million fewer antigen tests will be conducted this week as school kids won’t be doing their normal twice weekly tests. Is it any wonder cases are down.