Viral Tweet Opposing ‘Herd Immunity’ Gets Pretty Much Everything Wrong

In a recent viral tweet, the anti-Brexit campaigner Jolyon Maugham criticised the Government’s initial Covid strategy (which, as we know, was later ditched in favour of lockdowns).

I’m no defender of the Government’s response to the pandemic, but it’s hard to imagine a more wrong-headed criticism than this. Indeed, it’s impressive how many fallacies Maugham managed to pack into 280 characters.

First: “Herd immunity”. As the authors of the Great Barrington Declaration have tirelessly pointed out, describing any response to the pandemic as a ‘herd immunity strategy’ is like describing a pilot’s plan to land a plane as a ‘gravity strategy’. Given that Covid cannot be eliminated, herd immunity will eventually be reached, regardless of what we do.

The goal of any plan to address Covid, write Kulldorff and Bhattacharya, “should be to minimise disease mortality and the collateral harms from the plan itself, while managing the build-up of immunity in the population.”

Second, the implication of Maugham’s tweet is that the Government’s initial strategy was motivated by Conservative ideology, and that the alternative – lockdown – is what’s backed by science.  

Yet, as I and others have pointed out, it’s actually lockdown that deviates substantially from the pre-Covid consensus. Indeed, the UK’s pandemic preparedness plan does not even mention the term. And in 2019, the WHO classified “quarantine of exposed individuals” as “not recommended under any circumstances”.  

Given that the first lockdown was implemented by a communist one-party state, and that subsequent lockdowns were imposed with almost no prior discussion, it would make more sense to say lockdown was motivated by ideology.

Third, the virus does not “target” working class and poorer people, while leaving Etonians and bankers unscathed. It is not some pathogenic agent of class warfare.

If “target” is taken to mean “infect”, then the virus targets people who aren’t immune to it. And if “target” is taken to mean “kill”, then it would be most accurate to say the virus targets the old and the immunocompromised. After all, these groups account for the overwhelming majority of deaths.

Now, it’s true that death rates have been higher in working class occupations, as I noted in a previous post. But this is far more plausibly due to lockdown than to the Government’s initial strategy, which was in any case abandoned in March of 2020.

As the art critic J. J. Charlesworth quipped, “There was never any lockdown. There was just middle-class people hiding while working-class people brought them things.” Middle-class people like Jolyon Maugham, I might add.

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wendy
wendy
4 years ago

My feeling is that the top and bottom of the social strata have much more in common than the middle would like to admit.

TheyLiveAndWeLockdown
4 years ago
Reply to  wendy

rent-seeking…

Both the benefit-addicts and establishment live mostly upon the backs/at the expense of the productive the difference is that the welfare state for the rich is vastly more expensive, incredibly so when looked at per person..

Rogerborg
4 years ago

Indeed, the Welfare State has been a generational exercise in funnelling wealth from the (actual) working classes to the ruling classes via the benefits classes.

TheyLiveAndWeLockdown
4 years ago
Reply to  Rogerborg

Exactly (because an uptick is just not enough)!

There seems to be more in poverty the more you reward being in “poverty”.

And those who do not earn the money they spend spend it least wisely.
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Anti_socialist
4 years ago
Reply to  wendy

Divide & conquer

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4 years ago
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DS99
4 years ago

Sometimes a link to a video come along that just sums up what I’ve been thinking privately these past few days …. btw, loving the backdrop of a years supply of logs, a naked portrait of a generously proportioned woman and a pitchfork … literally 10/10 for originality for that, most people just have a blank wall or a bookcase behind them! Because he’s spot on, just what the hell are people thinking, what have they been doing? It’s so bloody in your face now .. it reminds me of the scene in Back to the Future “Hello” scene … is there anybody home?

Major Panic in the jabby jabbys

”As the art critic J. J. Charlesworth quipped, “There was never any lockdown. There was just middle-class people hiding while working-class people brought them things.” Middle-class people like Jolyon Maugham, I might add.”

perfectly sums up the lockdown BS

RickH
4 years ago

Just as much bullshit as the Tweet as a whole.

karenovirus
4 years ago

I recently posted of a conversation last January with a man undoubtedly used to the finer things in life. He had returned from Xmas in London to our deserted provincial main railway station.
I suggested that Xmas lockdown in London must have been pretty miserable (thinking of the myriad flat and bedsit dwellers).
He replied.

“London was never locked down, well not Chelsea and Westminster”.
The implication being that life went on as normal in the media/political bubble.

karenovirus
4 years ago

At the risk of appearing classist, sexist and shallow, I’ve never heard of Jolyon Maughan but note that his attempt to disguise his undoubtedly Old Etonian sounding name by using ‘Jo’ just makes him sound like girl (nothing wrong with that of course).

iane
iane
4 years ago
Reply to  karenovirus

If you ever visit Guido-Fawke’s (increasingly awful and out of touch as it is), you would very likely hear plenty about his, nearly all failed (but massively lucrative for him), crowd-funded lawsuits against anything that is not full-on woke!

Encierro
4 years ago
Reply to  iane

You know I thought it was only me that thought the website had changed somehow. Your comment makes at least two of us not content with the way it is heading.

karenovirus
4 years ago
Reply to  iane

I cancelled Guido very early into lockdown for that very reason
Same goes for Vice News on YouTube who went Woke Central over blm; they have somewhat recovered recently possibly because large numbers unsubscribed.

Arum
Arum
4 years ago
Reply to  karenovirus

Re. Guido, I am the same, gave when they went full fascist on jabs

186NO
186NO
4 years ago
Reply to  karenovirus

Ditto re: GF

Norman
4 years ago
Reply to  karenovirus

He batters foxes to death.

TreeHugger
4 years ago
Reply to  Norman

In a kimono!

Arum
Arum
4 years ago
Reply to  TreeHugger

But why was there a fox in a kimono?

Bella Donna
4 years ago
Reply to  Arum

😂 😂

RickH
4 years ago

Was this really worth highlighting?

Class differences permeate every facet of society. Not news.

iane
iane
4 years ago
Reply to  RickH

And, from what I have observed, the split between critical thinking and sheepism is pretty much the same throughout the strata.

CynicalRealist
4 years ago
Reply to  iane

Not sure about that – sheepism seems to have a clear relationship to how much the individual is personally affected (particularly financially), and as the whole ‘work from home’ thing means that the middle classes actually often benefit financially due to no commute, they also seem the most prone to extreme sheepism.

Julian
4 years ago
Reply to  RickH

Probably not worth highlighting other than perhaps to show how people supposedly on both sides of the political spectrum are maniuplating covid for their own evil purposes

Norman
4 years ago
Reply to  RickH

I think you hgave missed the point. This is not about class, it is about Maugham.

Rogerborg
4 years ago

Why no fact check from Twatter about the lunatic conspiracy theory that the Chinese Virus actively “targets” by class and wealth?

Tee Ell
4 years ago

Jo Moron

iane
iane
4 years ago
Reply to  Tee Ell

Biden or Maugham? {I know, that’s just a tease – obviously both!}

Bungle
4 years ago
Reply to  iane

How about King??? And I’m not joking!

karenovirus
4 years ago

o/t report on the frontline NHS.
Yesterday my appointment today with Physio MSK to discuss treatment for sciatica was cancelled ‘due to staffing issues’. This was at an outlying hospital that has nothing to do with Covid, just providing various other specialities.

I have however just returned from the Main Regional Hospital for a non appointment secondary procedure.
Main general reception was quiet if not remarkably so.
Walking past Day Patient reception two of the forty seats were occupied (empty on the way back).

I waited no more than 5 minutes for my non appointment encounter and was homeward bound 15 minutes later.

NHS overwhelmed my Aunt Fanny.

TheyLiveAndWeLockdown
4 years ago
Reply to  karenovirus

I’ll bet your (private) dentist or vet hasn’t cancelled any appointments.

But then they’d lose rather than gain from inaction.

Cecil B
Cecil B
4 years ago

BBC news

We’ve been asking for your views on whether, amid rising cases, the government should turn to its “Plan B” for winter. This would include the reintroduction of some social distancing measures and mandatory mask-wearing in certain circumstances. As you may have seen through our coverage, the responses have been mixed.
Sheila Fitzgerald lives in Dorset with her husband – they are both in their 80s – and she thinks the government should turn to Plan B for winter. The couple have both had their booster jabs, but Sheila says they are still classed as “vulnerable”. Her husband has recently had emergency surgery.
She says they “both wear masks in shops and other crowded situations” and they “follow distancing advice”. Sheila would like the government to reintroduce some Covid rules to ensure “we and others like us are shielded a little”.
Sheila adds that people should “stop being selfish and think of others”.

Do you selfish people have a message for Sheila?

Major Panic in the jabby jabbys
Reply to  Cecil B

The BBC spends all its time scaring people with one sided, exaggerated and false info. Then asks if people are suitably scared to agree to unscientific restrictions that don’t work

FlynnQuill
4 years ago
Reply to  Cecil B

I’ve got a message for Sheila, the second word is Off!!

Annie
4 years ago
Reply to  Cecil B

Sheila.
Stay at home.
Stay there for ever.

Emerald Fox
4 years ago
Reply to  Cecil B

Yes. Stay at home, Sheila, and never venture outside. Ever.

karenovirus
4 years ago
Reply to  Emerald Fox

Shielding Sheila should shtay🍹 shielded.🍷🍾

Lucan Grey
4 years ago
Reply to  Cecil B

Why do you need to worry if you’re wearing a mask? Doesn’t it work?

Anti_socialist
4 years ago
Reply to  Cecil B

“stop being selfish and think of others”.

I have no socialist sympathiess at all, so f*** right off sheila.

TheyLiveAndWeLockdown
4 years ago
Reply to  Anti_socialist

think of others, force them to risk their health with jabs and by wearing pointless masks…

CynicalRealist
4 years ago
Reply to  Cecil B

I do have some sympathy for people like Sheila as they are obviously terrified now, due to 18 months of propaganda. However, the answer to that is for them to be given a more balanced view of the situation – it is not to pander to their paranoia.

She also doesn’t seem to have realised (or doesn’t care) that the measures she advocates cause real difficulties for many people, so she too could be described as “selfish”.

RW
RW
4 years ago
Reply to  CynicalRealist

Sorry, but people who think what they believe to need is of paramount importance and what anybody else believes to need is negligible deserve no sympathy. They deserve an attitude adjustment.

Arum
Arum
4 years ago
Reply to  CynicalRealist

A close member of my family is where Sheila is, won’t go to Sainsburys as “I saw two people there without masks!”…my sympathy is wearing thin

Bungle
4 years ago
Reply to  Cecil B

Sorry Sheilah, the basis of democracy is the individual and this is enshrined in the Helsinki code on medical ethics. You are not allowed to ask people to protect you!

RW
RW
4 years ago
Reply to  Cecil B

Indeed I do. My parents are both over 80 and I’ve now been prohibited from meeting them for two years in a row in order to appeal to Sheila’s paranoid delusions about dangerous germs. I therefore kindly ask her to stop being so selfish and think a litte of others.

Hint: Should Sheila keep on insisting that she must be protected at my expense despite she’s certainly never going to encounter either me or my parents until seeing them again becomes at all impossible, I would not take a favorable view of her unselfish Me! Me! Me! Me! Me! ME!!! strategy.

TreeHugger
4 years ago
Reply to  Cecil B

If Sheila was really worried she’d have stayed home for the last 2 years.

jamesdean3000
jamesdean3000
4 years ago

Who cares what the deranged, fox-bludgeoner has to say?

Encierro
4 years ago

However, Covid regulations do not apply to Conservatives. What utter billhooks
BBC

The Commons leader said the party’s “convivial, fraternal spirit” meant they were acting in line with government Covid guidance.

Rogerborg
4 years ago
Reply to  Encierro

They don’t apply to any of our rulers. The (open) communists of Labour were whooping it up unmuzzled at their recent bacchanal.

karenovirus
4 years ago
Reply to  Encierro

Carl Vernon has this on YouTube today, Jacob Rees Mogg in Parliament on the behaviour of Labour luvvies when not on camera.

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186NO
186NO
4 years ago
Reply to  karenovirus

Surely no one is surprised anymore at the serial deliverers of DAISANAID, the latest support programme for the relief of SARS COV2 impacted sufferers from the apparatchiks of democracy?

TheyLiveAndWeLockdown
4 years ago

There was never any EU. There was just middle-class people pretending to manage while foreign working-class people did the work on low pay.

Lucan Grey
4 years ago

It was because it hit the middle class on their skiing trips that Covid got noticed at all. If it only affected the working class and the poor nobody would be talking about it.

Much like TB – which killed over a million people last year

karenovirus
4 years ago
Reply to  Lucan Grey

Along with 23 other medical conditions in the UK alone so not including old favourites like malaria.

As a sepeparate issue, who do you think predominantly occupy private nursing and care homes?

Anti_socialist
4 years ago

Liberals pffft.

Now, I don’t like references to popular science fiction & Hollywood action movies, but I see Mike Yeadon has gone full on red pill!

What’s it going to take Toby to acknowledge this is an orchestrated attack on humanity? They aren’t playing us down to earth folk, we can see what’s happening, they’re scamming the establishment middle-class liberals into investing into this revolution.

Liberals will have a lot of blood on their hands before this is all over! Remember communism of the early 20th century, when 10s of millions starved to death, & millions more murdered in nazi concentration camps?

What do your stats & facts tell you about cock-up theory vs conspiracy fact?

I’m not an optimistic chap, but I just can’t imagine them getting away with this, so History books won’t be kind to those liberals spreading denial in a captured media.

Bungle
4 years ago
Reply to  Anti_socialist

Spelling error in your name – should be ‘Auntie’ not ‘Anti’.

Bungle
4 years ago

“selective use of data and unsound statistical methods”. That’s a description of Carl’s work and the reason Cambridge got rid of him and now he writes drivel for Toby. Yes, the essence of what he says is correct but it’s poorly written, basically schoolboyish. Perhaps that’s why he mentions the 2 Barrington men but not the woman, Prof Gupta

Jo Starlin
4 years ago

Maybe we could get Jolyon’s brother Leo Benedictus of Full Fact infamy to check his tweets for him?

MrkMtchll
MrkMtchll
4 years ago

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