Business Secretary Rules Out Another Lockdown

Half of Brits believe there will be further lockdowns and some officials are urging the Government to implement ‘Plan B’ winter measures now. But such talk is, according to the Business Secretary, “completely unhelpful”. Not only that – he says he would “rule out” the idea the country is facing another lockdown. Sky News has the story.

NHS Confederation Chief Executive Matthew Taylor has urged the Government to bring back certain measures, including mandatory face coverings in public places, telling Sky News: “The overwhelming evidence is that we do need to act.” …

But asked by Kay Burley on Sky News whether the U.K. could be facing another lockdown, [Kwasi] Kwarteng said: “I would rule that out.”

Speaking on Wednesday morning, the Business Secretary added: “I think the conversation about restrictions on travel, restrictions on more lockdowns is completely unhelpful.”

Asked whether more travel restrictions could be brought back in, he told Burley: “No, I don’t think so.”

Challenged on the fact that the Government said similar last year before further measures were introduced, the business secretary said: “This time last year we didn’t have the vaccine.”

“We don’t want to go back into lockdown and further restrictions,” Mr. Kwarteng later clarified.

Perhaps this last remark – that the Government doesn’t want to bring in another lockdown – is closer to the point.

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stewart
4 years ago

“We don’t want to go back into lockdown and further restrictions,” 

Plenty of wiggle room there.

grob1234
grob1234
4 years ago
Reply to  stewart

I’ll just translate:

“We absolutely will be having a lockdown and will be increasing restrictions”

There, that’s better now.

bOrgkilLaH1of7
4 years ago
Reply to  grob1234

What more do you need to witness folks? A six month extension of the Coronavirus Act passes without any parliamentary vote. • Just 90 minutes for debate • The majority of the Westminster MPs didn’t bother turn up • Then Deputy Speaker announces… “it’s not the mood of the House to vote on the issue”. So the thin veil of British democracy falls away at last. It’s BITCHSLAP reality WAKE-UP time my fellow sceptics Italia has descended into what amounts to be a civil war betwixt the tiny hold-out minority group of NO-VAX versus the majority of vaxxoids who fell into line tout suite. What the WEF backed globalists are doing is successfully destroying the Italian economy, making the proletariat bio-secuirty controlled serfs via the implanting technocratic system and there is absolutely no coverage on the international MSM re what’s playing out over there at all? https://www.zerohedge.com/political/things-are-getting-messy-draghis-italy Seen any of what’s happening down in Trieste on the BBC news? PMSL Its war folks and has been for 18months or so. If Italia falls [likely] the rest of the EU will quickly fall into line ASAP. If so you can bet puppet leader BoJo will unleash the mandatory vaxx passport here in… Read more »

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Anti_socialist
4 years ago
Reply to  bOrgkilLaH1of7

To be honest, I think it’s already too late, the time to act was the end of the 2nd week to flatten the curve, the nation surrendered, and now we are all prisoners of the state, the people are worn down & totally demoralized. Vax passports are just the beginning, first it’ll be nightclubs, then pubs & cafés with slow mission creep to all aspects of life, UBI will replace furlough, no vaccine, no money for food. You won’t be able to buy food without a vaccine certificate of compliance anyway, Johnson is clearly just a shill for the corporate elite, his wife, his nanny to stop him straying off narrative! There won’t be lockdowns as such, there will be prohibitions on public gathering, the vax passports will allow police to identify dissenters & break up any protest, this has clearly been planned out very meticulously. It’s controlled demolition of our communities, culture, country, however the one thing these technocrats don’t want is anarchy! We are entering a very dark period in human history & before people dismiss it as foil hat wearing conspiracy THEORY, it’s happened numerous times in our history, turns out we haven’t progressed very much at… Read more »

FrankFisher
4 years ago
Reply to  Anti_socialist

Correct, and you are right to focus on food. Hungry people obey whoever is giving them food. They don’t rebel, they don’t conspire, they beg for food, and if you give them food, they do what you say.

I think you are right in that the point of no return was reached and passed. 90% of people are happy with all this shit. basically anyone who watches TV news is a pod-person and is lost to us

DanClarke
DanClarke
4 years ago
Reply to  FrankFisher

Sounds like you’ve accepted defeat, people did without a lot of things during the war but never went there. I dont think, looking at social media, that we are anywhere near that point

Star
4 years ago
Reply to  DanClarke

Social media is interactive TV.

Star
4 years ago
Reply to  FrankFisher

1) @Frank – an article recommendation for you: Robert Dirks, “Social responses during severe food shortages and famine,” Current Anthropology 21 (1) (February 1980). What has happened during food shortages and famine before is this: as people’s body weight starts to drop – by 5%, 10%, 20% – their anger and resistance increases, but when it drops further, by more than 20%, they suffer from so much fatigue that their care to resist falls away. Looking at many examples, Dirks writes of an “alarm reaction” followed by “resistance” followed by “exhaustion”. The family also tends to break down, as people stop caring so much for the elderly and even children. Famine is extremely ugly. 2) One of the achievements of the 2020-21 lockdowns, coupled with smartphone addiction and with whatever bugs are going around, is that many have already become habituated to fatigue. There is little “oomph” left in most of the British population. This is true everywhere but Britain stands out for its social deference, its segregation by caste, and the way it’s run like the Empire, with many two-bit petty officials thinking that whilst THEY are with the proper people, doing what they’re told as everyone should, the… Read more »

Star
4 years ago
Reply to  bOrgkilLaH1of7

Thanks for this post, @Galene. Some info on Italian prime minister Mario Draghi’s background:

  • years at Goldman Sachs,
  • governor of the Bank of Italy,
  • chair of the (global) Financial Stability Board (which emerged from the Financial Stability Forum, managed from the premises of the Bank of International Settlements),
  • president of the European Central Bank.

Vaccine refusers in Italy who want to stay in their jobs have to get green passes requiring them to pay for Covid tests every two days. Draghi knows that this measure will have immediate ramifications both on standards of living and on goods supply chains. Trieste is the largest port in Italy by tonnage. Good to hear that dockers and other workers are responding with strikes and other physical actions.

Sandra Barwick
Sandra Barwick
4 years ago
Reply to  grob1234

But we will call it by a different name and give no free magic money this time. Peasants.

Cristi.Neagu
4 years ago
Reply to  stewart

Sounds an awful lot like “We have no plans of implementing a vaccine passports” to me…

realarthurdent
4 years ago
Reply to  stewart

Exactly.

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I am Spartacas
4 years ago
Reply to  stewart

My thoughts exactly.

We don’t want to go back into lockdown‘ is not the same as for example ‘We will not go back into lockdown’.

All this double-talk is like having to constantly deal with a government of slippery narcissistic sociopaths – you have to carefully examine every single word they say – because every statement, every sentence, every word, every syllable is carefully chosen to not mean what it sounds like – every utterance has a double meaning.

Oh for straight-forward plain-speaking politicians once again.

Arum
Arum
4 years ago
Reply to  stewart

What we need is more restrictions, to avoid more restrictions

Star
4 years ago

The way the rulers are getting some lackeys to say there should or will or probably will be another lockdown, and others to say they “would” rule it out, is reminiscent of Charles Manson who gave his “girls” hallucinogenic drugs and then a mixture of messages saying “I am God” and “I am the Devil”. Say hello to Learned Helplessness.

Star
4 years ago
Reply to  Star

Another aspect of it is that Kwarteng is telling small and medium businesses “keep borrowing”.

TheyLiveAndWeLockdown
4 years ago
Reply to  Star

when interest rates spike his string pullers can own good business for knockdown prices.

karenovirus
4 years ago
Reply to  Star

Opposite the ‘could’ ‘might’ ‘should’ school of project fear hyperbole as used by Ferguson.

Paul B
4 years ago

That’s a certainty then, nudge nudge

Smelly Melly
4 years ago

In Yes Minister, didn’t Sir Humphrey say “Don’t believe anything until it has been officially denied”.

stewart
4 years ago
Reply to  Smelly Melly

Absolutely. This has always been the MO of government.

The difference is that in the past, they dealt with relatively small things that affected few people in a small way, so nobody actually cared. It was all just part of the political game and everyone who was in the game knew about it.

These days, these people have totalitarian control over our lives. We hang on their every word because one of their diktats can have a huge impact on our daily lives.

Cristi.Neagu
4 years ago
Reply to  Smelly Melly

“Lockdown is the nuclear option.”
“We have no plans to introduce vaccine passports.”

Hester
Hester
4 years ago

We are being primed for Lockdown, the psyops team are at it again with their little polls to suggest that the majority believe there will be another Lockdown. Why is it necessary to ask that question? who gains from that question? It is seed planting so that when it comes along all the sheep will calmly go back into their pens. Yesterday the Corona virus act was extended without even a vote, why would they even bother to vote? This is life now this is our and I can barely contain laughter our democracy. We now live in the equivalent of East Berlin where we are ruled by diktat, where we have to show papers, where we can be ordered into our homes, curfewed, where protest can once again be stopped and where the Police have powers to do anything they like. Why would they want to end this wonderful control. There may not be another Lockdown, but by polling and talking about it in the press it continues the heightend fear levels, how wonderful for those great men and women in Whitehall knowing they can do what they like with us and the majority will meekly thank them for… Read more »

karenovirus
4 years ago
Reply to  Hester

The only reason the police are not totally out of control is that there has yet to be a successful prosecution under the so called Coronovirus Legislation.

That and everyone has a camera on their phone.

Cecil B
Cecil B
4 years ago
Reply to  karenovirus

and the covid overtime payments have stopped

IanC
4 years ago
Reply to  karenovirus

Doesn’t work in Oz.

Aslangeo
4 years ago

Never believe anything until it has been officially denied -yes prime minister

Major Panic in the jabby jabbys

The whole point of plan B vaccine passports is so that it can be claimed vax passports are better than plan C lockdowns…. anyway, interestingly (ignore the numbering, a copy n paste issue)… Vaccine passports – no health/biological justification: Vaccine passports are not capable of controlling transmission for at least 5 biological reasons: As already explained, unvaccinated individuals with no symptoms cannot spread disease. The vaccination status of these people is therefore irrelevant. Vaccinated people with no outward symptoms can be very good silent spreaders as discussed. They should therefore, argually, not be permitted in crowded areas without a test. A person with symptoms can, however, transmit the virus. It is now accepted that so called breakthrough cases occur very commonly in the vaccinated. The CDC has confirmed that vaccinees have at least as much viral load in their nasal passages as the unvaccinated. A study from Oxford University found that vaccinees had 251-1,000 x the delta viral load in their nasal passages as the previously unvaccinated. The double vaccinees are the real super spreaders, not the unvaccinated, and this is borne out by our own observations. On this basis, it is certainly not the double vaccinated that should have… Read more »

JaneDoeNL
JaneDoeNL
4 years ago

What?? Vaxx pass doesn’t protect us? I assumed that the magic app on one’s magic phone provided some type of forcefield that surrounded the passholder that meant nothing could get in or out.

Were people doing it wrong, does one switch on the app and then hold the phone in front of one’s mouth? There has to be some explanation as to why an app that tv ads keep telling me will protect us, somehow fails to protect us.

Norman
4 years ago

This is all based on a rise in self-tested positives in children. It happened in Scotland before England (because they went back to school before English kids) and is declining in Scotland now and England will follow them down shortly.

RW
RW
4 years ago
Reply to  Norman

That’s why the clamour is happening now: They have only until next week before a large number of their precious cases they again want to use to sell loads and loads of Chinese throwaway masks (the NHS confederation guys absolutely certainly has business contacts to PPE suppliers) will likely melt away.

nickbowes
nickbowes
4 years ago

The fact is that most of the 650 mp`s are a cancer on freedom. Ignore, resist and fight back.

No “vax” passports, no lockdown and no compliance. They need to understand this – it will not be the great reset these scum are dreaming of but a great awakening.

Lucan Grey
4 years ago
Reply to  nickbowes

648 presently

TheyLiveAndWeLockdown
4 years ago
Reply to  Lucan Grey

Well we know one MP who will no longer be voting against Vaxpass social credit systems.

Smelly Melly
4 years ago

Off topic, but I’m generally surfing the net and saw an article titled “Those people who don’t need the vaccine”. I didn’t bother to read it, just thought anybody with a functioning brain are exempt.

Garfy1967
Garfy1967
4 years ago

All of this has just brought back that awful anxious feeling and nauseous knot in my stomach that we are going back to dreadful restrictions on our lives. I really don’t think I can cope this time and am in despair. The government, NHS and MSM between them are mentally abusing me and I don’t think I can take it anymore.

Watcher
Watcher
4 years ago
Reply to  Garfy1967

Garfy
You are not alone. You have friends here. Together will hold the line. And don’t forget that laughter is the best medicine, so never fail to laugh at their countless idiocies (for that is what they are).

Old Maid
4 years ago
Reply to  Garfy1967

Please know that you are not alone, not at all. Different people have different levels of being able to cope, and different ways of coping. While there are some that say keeping off this ‘bad news’ site might make you feel better, my view is that it’s comforting to know that there are others who feel the same. We are always here for you, every single one of us.

Garfy1967
Garfy1967
4 years ago
Reply to  Old Maid

Thank you both.

MartBee
MartBee
4 years ago
Reply to  Garfy1967

I feel exactly the same. Out of 1800 in the “middle England” village I live in I think there are (except children) probably only 10 unjabbed. It’s a lonely experience and people who I would perceive to be relatively intelligent are just dismissive of anything that challenges the agenda. Luckily my partner feels the same as I do and I have a number of friends who are holding the line. I feel like I’m waiting for all the others to have an epiphany but don’t know how that will arrive…….unexplained/ unexpected death of a loved one?

Nymeria
4 years ago
Reply to  Garfy1967

You’re most definitely not alone. You’ve come this far, stand firm and don’t give up now.

RW
RW
4 years ago
Reply to  Garfy1967

Due to the fact that I regularly work from 3pm – 11pm and don’t really have any friends in England, just some pub acquaintances, I spent the first lockdown and the time which started with the 10pm curfew and ended with the end of the 3rd lockdown in almost complete social isolation (minus a hasty, masked 30 minutes daily shopping trip).

That wasn’t exactly fun. But humans can cope with worse things and you can do that, too. Giving up means the abusers win. Otherwise, they will have to pay sooner or later.

Anonymous
Anonymous
4 years ago

“Government doesn’t want to bring in another lockdown”.
I like that emphasis on the word ‘want’.
Government invariably does what it says it doesn’t want to do and doesn’t do what it says it wants to do – ‘diddums’ – it’s blame, not sympathy, that’s justifiable

karenovirus
4 years ago
Reply to  Anonymous

Neville Chamberlain didn’t ‘want’ to go to war with Germany.

cloud6
4 years ago

You can always tell when a politician is lying, just watch their body language and talk. Another lockdown is on its way, as predicted 4 months ago when the so-called restrictions were lifted.

MartBee
MartBee
4 years ago
Reply to  cloud6

Isn’t Marburg Virus going to be used at some point in the future to enforce lockdown?

karenovirus
4 years ago
Reply to  cloud6

Indeed, predicted on the basis of increased cases after the schools went back, not that any children are keeling over in the classroom.

Lucan Grey
4 years ago

It’s time that government started warning that characters calling for lockdowns perhaps ought to be looking for other jobs and that we need people in those positions who will look forward not back.

These characters won’t wind their necks in until their income and power is threatened.

jingleballix
4 years ago

So……yesterday the government spat in the face of democracy and extended its ‘emergency powers’ to regulate our lives the nth degree…….without even a proper vote (and there is absolutely no furore in the media). There is NO emergency – and the government ‘doesn’t want’ to regulate…….so why is it keeping ‘emergency powers’? Ask too why the monsters of SAGE and people like this NHS zombie are spouting off about the ‘incredible dangers that face us’……..after all, we’ve been jabbed. Three things become apparent: > this really is about control and not a public health issue…….the SAGE/NHS people are reading from the government’s script > we’re on the road to undemocratic nowhere, with no means to hold our government to account > the jabs don’t work – they only succeed in making the jabbed more vulnerable to this relatively harmless virus – and the NHS is indeed going to be overwhelmed this winter…..with jabbed people. Without any doubt whatsoever, Plan ‘B’ is going to be implemented within a fortnight, in order to cover-up the fact that the jabs are far more dangerous than the disease. Wales and Scotland were just outliers – if they’ve done it……England and N.I. will have to… Read more »

FrankFisher
4 years ago
Reply to  jingleballix

NOT the government, the “opposition” also decided no opposition was required.

karenovirus
4 years ago
Reply to  jingleballix

Latvia has gone back into Lockdown, ‘just for a month’* let’s see if the EU follows.

*RT

Cecil B
Cecil B
4 years ago

If our leaders have told us this then we must take them at their word

They didn’t get elected to parliament to tell us lies.

They are men and women of honour

Oh how I do love good news

realarthurdent
4 years ago

Where is the Daily Sceptics outrage article above the line about our elected representatives not being minded to vote on extending the coronavirus restriction laws for another 6 months, thereby extending them by default?

Just tumbleweed here. Just like in the MSM.

grob1234
grob1234
4 years ago

Slightly off topic. How about your top 10 most hated Covidians:

  1. Ferguson – wrong about everything and responsible for the UK lockdown
  2. SAGE – all of them
  3. Dan Andrews – makes my skin crawl, would be higher if he was in the UK
  4. Justin Trudeau – majorly bought into it all
  5. Boris Johnson
  6. The evil trio – Whitty, Van Tam and Vallance. In some ways I feel sorry for Whitty, I don’t think he believes in this. The other two definitely do!
  7. Jacinta Adern – ugh
  8. That old doctor they interviewed on Talk Radio advocating lockdowns
  9. Susan Michie – committed communist
  10. Dr Julia Grace Paterson – check out her Twitter – it’ll make you heave
realarthurdent
4 years ago
Reply to  grob1234

0. Fauci

He is the architect of it all.

grob1234
grob1234
4 years ago
Reply to  realarthurdent

How did I miss him? Thank you!!

TheyLiveAndWeLockdown
4 years ago
Reply to  realarthurdent

Fauci, Vallance and Simon Danzuk

eco-health backers and engineers of the ‘rona.

MartBee
MartBee
4 years ago
Reply to  realarthurdent

Not sure if this one is really far out there but isn’t there a “grey pope” (order of the jesuits and leader of the “knights of Malta) who really is in charge of everything including Gates, the Pope, the Rothschilds, Biden etc?

jos
jos
4 years ago
Reply to  MartBee

Is he in the cabal, a 33rd degree Freemason and / or a satanist? If so then yes. By the way, I heard the Swiss guards who protect the pope resigned because they didn’t want the vaccine. Oh and the Vatican is closed and the pope has been arrested. The alternative media stories are really much more interesting and – who knows? – very possibly true!

Sandra Barwick
Sandra Barwick
4 years ago
Reply to  jos

I think one Swiss guard actually did and the rest gave in when the rest were threatened. He was interviewed.

Sandra Barwick
Sandra Barwick
4 years ago
Reply to  MartBee

No.

caipirinha17
caipirinha17
4 years ago
Reply to  grob1234

Devi Sridhar….
Jeanette krankie ahem Sturgeon…

grob1234
grob1234
4 years ago
Reply to  caipirinha17

2 excellent candidates!

crisisgarden
4 years ago
Reply to  caipirinha17

You took the words out of my keyboard.

RickH
4 years ago
Reply to  grob1234

I have the Great British Public on the list.

Nymeria
4 years ago
Reply to  RickH

Moi aussi.

HaylingDave
4 years ago
Reply to  grob1234

Maybe slightly outside the top 10, but that stupid smug fuck of an arrogant, 2-faced “doctor” …. “Dr.” Hillary on GMB. 2 minutes alone in a room … just 2 minutes …

RW
RW
4 years ago
Reply to  grob1234

Doesn’t usually feature in the UK as he’s more a scourge on Germany: Christian Drosten who – with a business parter of his who sells these kinds of tests – invented the Sars-CoV2 PCR test.

caipirinha17
caipirinha17
4 years ago

Further lock ups were pretty much guaranteed the moment that awful woman said ‘the ayes have it’ yesterday while cackling like a nasty little goblin. You need only look at the dates, 6mths from 21 Oct is just after Easter weekend and peak of the uk flu season is Jan-March. Add on the massive artificial hike in gas electricity fuel and food prices, which means there will be a lot of elderly and vulnerable people trying to struggle through winter / flu season without heating or food. Clearly they just didn’t bump off enough of them during 2020/21.

Old Maid
4 years ago

Wasn’t it Useless Eustace who said the same last time, a couple of days before the Clown and his ‘heavy heart’ smacked us down.

This is now standard operating procedure: out comes some NHS talking head to say we need to lock down; out comes some sock puppet minister to say we won’t …

Julian
4 years ago

Perhaps this last remark – that the Government doesn’t want to bring in another lockdown – is closer to the point.”

I’m not buying that. They had it well within their power to declare victory a long time ago.

Cristi.Neagu
4 years ago

Just to clarify: Are they ruling out another lockdown just like how they ruled out lockdowns last year as being the nuclear option, or like how they ruled out vaccine passports?

RickH
4 years ago

“This time last year we didn’t have the vaccine.”

… and lower mortality despite either.

J4mes
4 years ago

Saw a snip of today’s paper-review on GB News last night – every front page: bold letters promoting the ‘booster’ jabs. The Sun have gone so far as to create an expensive graphic of a needle launching like a rocket. Yesterday: nothing. Today: wall-to-wall. How can that happen when we supposedly have a free independent news industry?

Apparently by the end of this week, the advertising agency operating on behalf of the government are going to launch their campaign to really push the ‘boosters’ and this is separate to the so-called independent newspapers.

We all know what this means. Fear, panic, urgency. Save Christmas. Save granny. etc.

And here’s the business secretary reeling out more weasel words. Of course they’re prepping us for another lockdown.

“I would rule that out.” – would, but haven’t.

“No, I don’t think so.” – not a convincing answer

“We don’t want to go back into lockdown and further restrictions,” – but we can and we will.

Note the addition of ‘further restrictions’. What could that be? There’s only one more restriction they haven’t introduced yet, and that’s the Social Credit system. The end of cash.

They’re giddy with excitement about this.

realarthurdent
4 years ago
Reply to  J4mes

Bill Gates was here a couple of days ago and suddenly the news is full of panic about COVID-19 and new lockdowns and the need for more vaccination.

But I expect it’s

> just a coincidence.

TheyLiveAndWeLockdown
4 years ago
Reply to  J4mes

2 jabs bad, 3 jabs good.

JaneDoeNL
JaneDoeNL
4 years ago

“4 jabs better”

random pharma shareholder/exec

karenovirus
4 years ago
Reply to  J4mes

Thankfully I don’t read newspapers or watch telly.

Beowa
4 years ago

The minister who the Treasury called a LIAR

Anti_socialist
4 years ago

Plan B (vax passports) was always plan A! Masks are the psychological element to keep the pandemic narrative alive in public spaces. Covid19 has become a psy-op of the technocratic state, they aren’t even bothering to pretend we live in a democracy any more, MP’s can’t even be bothered to leave home to vote now.

Jo Starlin
4 years ago

So, lockdown by the end of the month then.

Nymeria
4 years ago
Reply to  Jo Starlin

Only for the sheep, Jo. I’ll still be gadding about, as I’m sure most if not all of us here will.

Jo Starlin
4 years ago
Reply to  Nymeria

Oh same here, but it doesn’t half limit your options when everywhere is closed.

Skeptical_Stu
Skeptical_Stu
4 years ago
Reply to  Jo Starlin

I know of least 1 pub and 1 cafe that are adamant they will stay open through any future lockdown where I live. If they are going to lose their business, they intend to go out on their feet, rather than while being on their knees.

The landlord is also considering reverse discrimination in that vaxxed people won’t be served. Citing health concerns.

Nymeria
4 years ago
Reply to  Jo Starlin

That’s true. Just need to know where to go though 😉

Jo Starlin
4 years ago
Reply to  Nymeria

🙂

FrankFisher
4 years ago

They want the vax passports instead of lockdown. Leaks suggest it will go live on Dec 17th.

tom171uk
4 years ago
Reply to  FrankFisher

Exactly!

TheyLiveAndWeLockdown
4 years ago
Reply to  FrankFisher

yet “Delta Plus” as the health fascists term it, totally ignores the jabs.

only recovery prevents re-infection.

JayBee
4 years ago

United Non Compliance.
To lockdowns, masks, vaxx passports and any other plan B elements.

Anti_socialist
4 years ago

Want to see the future, just watch what’s happening in Italy!

First western country to use lockdown = Italy!
First EU country to implement Draconian green pass = Italy
First EU country to start to impose no vax no job = Italy

Soon we’ll all be Italians, just like lockup.

FrankFisher
4 years ago
Reply to  Anti_socialist

The Australians are all Chinese, so maybe all being Italian is a step up?

Anti_socialist
4 years ago
Reply to  FrankFisher

The land down under, where everything’s upside down, the police are prepared to kill you to keep you safe! Was there any evidence china was ever that bad?

Not that i’m a fan of the CCP!