Infection Rate in Vaccinated People in Their 40s Now More Than DOUBLE the Rate in Unvaccinated, PHE Data Shows, as Vaccine Effectiveness Hits Minus-109%
In the latest Vaccine Surveillance report from Public Health England (PHE) the infection rate in double-vaccinated people in their 40s went above 100% higher than in the unvaccinated for the first time, reaching 109%. This translates to an unadjusted vaccine effectiveness of minus-109%.
Vaccine effectiveness continues to drop fast in all over-18s (see chart at top), hitting minus-85% for those in their 50s, minus-88% for those in their 60s and minus-79% for those in their 70s. (For definitions and discussion of limitations see here.)
Vaccine effectiveness against hospitalisation and death continues to hold up in all age groups, though with some signs of decline, particularly among older people.
There is still nothing from Government sources acknowledging this failure of the vaccines against infection, its implications for policy and analysing what might be behind it.
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About time they mandated an Unvaccinated Passport system
I’ve already got one.
So the plan is to use the vaccinated to spread the infection around the unvaccinated to teach them a lesson.
In a nutshell.
Whilst entertaining them mightily!
in old and vulnerable maybe but good natural immunity generally protects against catching enough load to manifest symptoms – so Sage, up yours.
Except they clearly haven’t taken into account that the unvaccinated’s immune systems have not been severly damaged by the toxins in the vaccines and will work against all variants. So given that this is a relatively mild illness for most regardless of a vaccine (and it’s well over 99%) the unvaccinated have a very good chance of recovering pretty quickly. Plus they have plenty at their disposal in terms of the right supplements and nutrients etc and various advice and protocols are out there for all to see. So if they planned to harm the unvaccinated ” it aint working” and it won’t work. Also with every passing day you get another person jabbed saying why am I so ill? There is only one direction for these people- they either stay brainwashed and sadly many will and in which case they go over the cliff edge soon or they move over to the other side.
Can someone please explain to me how your vaccination protects me?
Assuming that you are unjabbed, then compared to a jabbed person you will have less risk of catching the dreaded rona. For that we can thank all those who were noble enough to bare their arms for the Covid “poison death shots”.
My reading of the data is that if the “vaccinated” are more likely to test positive for covid and (according to the mainstream logic) to be both infected and infectious than the unvaccinated, then it follows that the so-called vaccines are creating more opportunities for the population to “catch covid” than if no one had been vaccinated. So, one could reasonably argue that they are putting me (or anyone else, for that matter) at greater risk of getting the ‘rona – not that that bothers me in the slightest, I just resent all the gaslighting of the great unvaxxed.
AND as said previously, sacking all the unjabbed care workers leaving just the stabbed essential workers in care homes surely increases the risk to the also very stabbed elderly and vulnerable from the infectious jabbies…if you get my drift? Some weird kind of logic at work here.
Yes, anyone would think, given the data here, that they’re actually trying to kill off the elderly and otherwise vulnerable. Surely not!
Oh if you haven’t seen this already, and it could come down any time, this is a laugh and a much-needed breath of fresh air.
https://youtu.be/GRv7gMCsTjU
Love the bit where someone sneezes and he imitates a siren going off!
Drs in the US have shown from blood test results that these vaccines harm and destroy immune systems and that is why they are now seeing people’s cancers and other chronic diseases return with a vengeance. Most people I know double jabbed have now come down with this virus, having been perfectly well the previous year with no jab. I assume this is because they are now more susceptible to this virus (and the variants the vaccines are creating) as their immune systems have been damaged. Spike proteins, PEG, Graphene Oxide and heavy metals are not exactly good for the human body. The only thing these vaccines may do is to reduce the symptoms of the recipient and that is highly questionable (and not happening for the over 50’s) when you look at PHE technical briefings.
I am behind the 8 ball – Last I heard Del B and ICAN were attempting to get unredacted FDA documents which detail the entire list of ingredients for the Pfizer jab which they have had to lodge with their approval/authorisation for the Cominarty jab – it being the same – because the EUA process allowed Pfizer to redact , for reasons of commercial secrets, said ingredient list. Anyone know where this has got to?
They got a reply and apparently it was water. Either someone is deliberately messing about or they’re lying
It just does, OK? Now go and get your jab and don’t stand so near to me.
Ha ha. Makes me laugh that so many “vaccinated” people I know still freak out about people standing too close to them in shops etc. It’s almost as if having the jabs has made them even more fearful of catching the ‘rona. And they won’t even be aware of this data! One thing’s for sure, being jabbed has made them more stupid, unable to question the grossly incoherent and contradictory narrative. Good little sheep.
Because people are assuming that all vaccinations are the same. The covid vaccinations have only ever been designed and intended to reduce the severity of symptoms.
This is completely different to a sterilising vaccination such as measles or (oral) polio which does genuinely kill all the virus in your body and thus prevent it from spreading – something that can contribute towards herd immunity, which may be beneficial for the vulnerable who can’t be vaccinated.
That wasn’t what many politicians claimed initially – there were many assertions that they would reduce infections, but they’ve been busy using the memory holes since then.
Although the graphs in that same PHE report do appear to show that people who have been spiked are less likely to be hospitalised or die, this isn’t convincing without more detailed data, in particular:
If it is the case that people with comorbidities are far more likely to be spiked AND far more likely to die with Covid (whether spiked or not), then the data would not necessarily demonstrate vaccine effectiveness – it would merely demonstrate the correlation that those most likely to die with Covid have been spiked. We are back to the issue of control group here, and there not being one.
Well, the theory is that because someone has been vaccinated, when they inevitably become infected with SC2, the symptoms of the resulting C19 infection are much reduced and therefore that person is less infectious to others. However, it rather seems to me that currently, the blame for the continuing infections is being put at the feet of our children, most of whom are still unvaccinated. The reality *may* be that, in fact, it is the symptomless, vaccinated and infected who, unwittingly, are the problem. After all, if you have symptoms you are much more likely to get a test, find out you are infected and take sensible precautions to protect your fellow man. If you don’t know you are infected then you aren’t. And this is why, for my money, the real key to controlling the spread of SC2 is to implement regular testing of *everyone* – most people once every 5 days, say, others who spend all day meeting people (eg shop-workers) should be tested every day and health-care workers maybe twice a day. We didn’t have the ability to do this more than 6 months back but we certainly do now using the simple, effective, quick and *cheap*… Read more »
Isn’t it a good thing that the Cymrujabberoids are now herded into their own spaces, where they can’t contaminate the rest of us?
It is and the music’s shit anyway.
The only people I know who’ve officially had covid (ie were stupid enough to get tested) have had it post “vaccination”.
That’s been precisely my experience and it’s almost 100% of them. What on Earth are we witnessing?
Gibbering mass idiocy. A familiar sight by now.
Yep me too.
Apart from one person, exactly the same here too. Brother in law got the jab – couple of weeks later got the Rona very badly and gave it all his kids. Half a dozen friends of mine got sick with Rona after the jab, only one unjabbed and that was last April.
My in-laws’ entire circle of friends (generally middle-class Guardian reading educated socially responsible lefties) exactly the same story. Not a hint of covid in 2020 but have all had it (in some cases quite seriously) this year. It’s quite astonishing isn’t it. Of course they’re holding on to the “thank god I was jabbed or it would have been really bad” line for now!
They can’t admit that the quacksines don’t work. They’ve spent too long screaming, stamping and bullying.
they don’t give a toss about whether or not they work. Only about whether or not you’ve complied.
That is very true and exactly what is happening here in Ireland now. Stepping up the message about the unjabbed driving cases, hospitalisation, icu and deaths, so that they will say they can’t ease restrictions as planned in two weeks, and how it’s all down to the unjabbed because we’re the only ones who can spread it. All to ostracise us more and pressure us to comply.
Except that they’ve realised they’ve gone as far as they can in terms of influencing people through fear, guilt and shame and have changed tactic to pure unashamed and blatant punishment of the “unvaccinated”. Let’s hope it doesn’t get as bad here as it is in Italy.
As in the UK the Irish government’s main aim is to kill off its citizens.
Was for the traitor Varadkar, maybe.
So it’s been all fine and dandy without Varadkhar as Taoiseach. I still hold to the view that any government pushing the Covid “poison death shots” is aiming to kill off its own people. Ireland is certainly no exception.
Not really, I was referring more to Varadkar’s betrayal on social issues though he has been pretty awful on lockdowns as well.
Oh it’s definitely the people who haven’t had this drug who are causing the problem with the drug.
And compliance means complicity, which means a premature death.
I broached the subject in a room full of sixth formers this morning who had all been jabbed and then mostly got covid. They got a (spoken) slap in the face with a reality kipper for breakfast from me 😂
I wish I’d had a teacher like you when I was at school.
I was told I was “too much of an iconoclast” to be a prefect 🤣
What a backhanded compliment!!
I’d have loved to have been a fly on that wall.
I’ve decided to not hold back any more. They all just looked at each other slightly bashfully…
Surely at least a few of them must have said “but it would have been much worse without the vaccine”?!
Whoa! Mind how you go cg.
Hat’s off to you for your stance and having the gonads to speak out but, if you value your job and want to keep it, tread very carefully.
Consider what’s happened to Prof. Kathleen Stock. All she wrote in her book was: “Trans people are trans people. We should get over it,” she writes. “They deserve to be safe, to be visible throughout society without shame or stigma, and to have exactly the life opportunities non-trans people do.” If she can be cancelled for saying that, I dread to think what could happen to you for delivering truth bombs to your class about Covid and the vaccines.
Just my £0.02p worth! 😉
My thoughts too, best to be subtle with your truth-bombs if you work in education or health. Some of the “vaccinated” are full of self-virtue and delight in reporting members of the resistance to the stasi.
Yep, noted. I think in the back of my mind I’m expecting to be out of the job over this at some stage and I’m developing a somewhat nihilistic approach.
Working for the NHS, I know what it feels like to have the sword of Damocles hanging over my head. Hang on in there comrade.
💪 The same to you!
Yes, in a year or two jobs will hardly matter. In the medium term, that is before 2030, they want us dead, except for a small corps of theirtranshumanised helpers.
Those overly worrying about their jobs s haven’t yet fully grasped the enormity of what is already happening right in front of themselves.
I can always count on you to take things to the grimmest possible conclusion Rowan! But I can’t disagree with you ever….. I just think they’re too inept to get what they want.
I only tell what is plain to see for those who are honest enough to look.
Yes they are inept and even spectacularly so at times, but none of this ineptitude seems to have much impact on the brainwashed masses who continue to line up for the lethal injections.
You’re absolutely right I should behave myself really but sometimes it’s impossible; I played my cards close to my chest for months but now I feel almost duty-bound to tell the truth. I was fairly careful; didn’t start dismantling the entire narrative, but told them quite emphatically that I wouldn’t be having it as it demonstrably doesn’t work!
Respect cg, big respect. As Helen says – hang on in there comrade!
It just reaches the point where you lose patience, doesn’t it? I’m not in a profession where there’s such a push for conformity as those of you in education and healthcare, but nevertheless I am surrounded by people who believe everything the BBC and Guardian tell them – the one colleague who shared my views left recently, so I think I’m now a lone voice.
After not saying much for months, I make comments at every opportunity now, especially around the Covidian fetish-rituals (which seem to be applied remarkably selectively – offices with more than a handful of people are far too dangerous, but going down the pub in a larger group is fine).
Indeed it’s selective. Fascinating really. A bit like Pavlov watching them dogs 😉
Its all conditioning. Entry into the office has been ritualised as you say, but going down the pub hasn’t. If these zombies actually engaged their brain and formed an independent thought, they would see how pathetic they look. Alas, they feel much safer in their herd which lets others dictate their behaviour.
I hope your verbal ‘slap in the face’ will make them think twice about having the inevitable boosters.
Thank you Will for keeping going with this. We will not see this Government data shown on mainstream news. It will be interesting to see if the boosters make a blind bit of difference to “case” rates. My money’s on it not.
They will increase them, as we know the jabs lower lymphocyte counts for the first 2 weeks. And winter is coming so more virus is circulating.
The FT did a piece earlier this week saying this report was questionable because the denominator was not reliable, and modelled ONS population data should be used instead (which of course showed the vaccines are amazing). Only I would say:
1) that is bollocks as I am fairly sure the authors of this report will have considered choice of denominator and picked the one considered most appropriate
2) it is confirmed with data from Israel and Qatar, published earlier this month in the NEJM
Of course all my comments pointing this out under the FT article were deleted.
My money is on the government blaming the impending winter cull on the flu. Blaming covid is way too risky for TPTB as that’s admitting their precious vaccines and boosters don’t work, and that the vaccine passports are pointless in terms of public health. They will have to fudge the data to promote the booster programme, which will inevitably be rolled out to younger and younger age groups. Any increase in “covid cases” will be blamed on the unvaccinated under 12s, and that will be used as a reason to roll out the “vaccines” to every child eventually. Those are my predictions. The only way this will stop is by people waking up and not complying.
A worrying prediction indeed. Let’s hope for a full scale narrative collapse.
Dear Santa, for Christmas please can I have a full-scale narrative collapse? 🎅🏻❓
I’ve been good (when viewed from a counter-narrative perspective)
The narrative is full-scale collapsing under its own weight, though I sadly doubt it’ll be all over by Christmas.
It certainly feels that way but can Normies see any of this?!
Most Normies will go to their early graves thinking that Boris Johnson and his boss Bill Gates are such caring people.
Yes, I think the same as you. For the past few weeks here they’ve been going on about a terrible flu season coming that will put the hospitals under pressure again, possibly combined with corona.
Perfect way to explain away why so many double vaxxed are still getting sick and ending up in hospital. And why they still need to continue using the fascist passport – the app won’t stop people getting flu unfortunately, but thank goodness an app on your phone can prevent you from getting corona. Apparently…
reading your post made me think of another prediction. Flu jabs being added to the vaccine passports. Maybe there will be a sliding scale of “permissions” depending on how up to date you are with all your jabs/boosters.
Somebody did post something the other day that in Spain they want people to keep wearing the face diapers (they haven’t stopped since May 2020) to stop the spread of flu… and no one seems to mind there.
Simple logic dictates that such ongoing onslaughts on the immune system will cause problems in at least some people. We don’t even know how people will react to having the clot shot and the regular flu shot at the same time – although obviously we will be finding out soon enough.
I am aware of several NHS staff who have already received their booster but not offered the flu vax at the same time.
Perhaps receiving both at the same time is a treat reserved for the general public?…
Stop! Triple barred from everywhere!! 😱
They are already working on it and no doubt a few more besides. With a shrinking population, those still standing will require to be jabbed much more often, if profits are to be maintained.
I can recommend The Joe Rogan Experience interview with Alex Berenson (Spotify) who refers to a lot of UK data.
It’s nearly 3.5 hrs long but the first couple of hours cover the most compelling stuff.
Will certainly check this one out. JR is an interesting character in all of this; walking a very thin line throughout. We all know what he thinks though!
“modelled ONS population data”
Anyone who touches ‘modelled data’ in this shit-show needs a brain translant.
As statistician William Briggs pointed out (long before COVID), models cannot produce data by definition, “data” being the raw stuff of reality, and “models” being the theoretical machines you put it into to make predictions about what future data might be, if the model is something like fit.
“datum, n.Thing known or granted, assumption or premiss from which inferences may be drawn; fixed starting point of scale, &c…”
A model, in other words, can only model data if a theory can predict a given, or if you like if an argument can produce an initial premiss. Which does not compute.
It is true that the data are sensitive to the population estimate — they know exactly how many have been jabbed, but the ‘unvaccinated’ are just ‘those left’.
The problem is that they don’t know how many there are in the country.
It is no good using ONS population estimates as they’re definitely too low — for example, the official vaccination %ages use the ONS estimate (or did until recently), and they show a few age groups with vaccination rates over 100% — ie, there are more vaccinated than officially exist in the country.
But they don’t actually want to use a good estimate, because it is convenient for them to just say ‘ah, it’s the denominator‘ and point to some official estimate figures rather than actually provide accurate data.
I’d note that there is no official estimate of vaccine effectiveness at 10 months (where we are now for those vaccinated earliest) — how convenient.
The boosters will cause the Covid case numbers to rise quite dramatically, as will deaths and serious illness.
We are watching complete narrative collapse.
https://mobile.twitter.com/RealJoelSmalley/status/1448736278015586304
This is just another phase. It’s not ‘good news’. It means the confusion among the populace is increasing. Remember, they haven’t been paying attention.
I don’t know the pathway however I believe the ultimate destination is war. Our people are not ready for this and what history tells us is that they’ll lash out. Or they’ll nead to be directed away from the source of their problems to a more manageable enemy.
What is going on with the full frontal in Auz feels like a preparation for something. Is it war? Will China invade Taiwan? Will the West and its new war pact with Auz mean a pre emptive manoeuvre?
We are not just going to turn this ship around.
We are already at war. Civil war. It just hasn’t been announced yet.
First time I’ve heard the process of sheep walking blindly into the abattoir as ‘civil war’!
I’m referring to the war the government and their cronies are waging against the people (sheep included).
OMG that was class! So good I had to watch it twice!lol I wanted to catch the second to last one ( I think ) that said “Stunning study shows just how ineffective Pfizer vaccine is”, but I can’t see the source. Anyway, I’m sure it’s all been covered on here previously. I’m not on Twitter but I like Joel’s tweets a lot. Wish he had a blog. 🙂
I googled it for you:
https://www.citizensjournal.us/stunning-study-reveals-how-ineffective-pfizer-vaccine-actually-is/?__cf_chl_jschl_tk__=pmd__QUXeOW9CaTirfNMVhW9iuT0cyv8fK9gztrze8JlDDE-1634365818-0-gqNtZGzNAqWjcnBszQel
hilariously, google said “are you sure you didn’t mean “stunning study shows how effective Pfizer vaccine is”? 😂
No I bloody did not!
LOL that’s the difference between Google and duckduckgo I think! Thanks a lot for that! 🙂
That was beautiful! I will be sharing the hell out of that.
China and Taiwan, the one to watch. As corona fear wanes and corona anger rises, perfect for Western governments to deflect anger against their disastrous policies toward the country that started it all – angry, fed-up populations dealing with high inflation and lower standards of living, gear up the propaganda that worked so well for corona..
The easiest way out for the West, deals with inflation, people understand lower standards of living come with war, get rid of lots of people for a ‘noble cause’. Tried and tested.
A bit far-fetched I hope but I don’t know any more. The ‘Trusted News Initiative’ has helped destroy, er, trust.
A good 2018 book ‘Giants – The Global Power Elite’ notes that six organisations account for ~90% of world news output. Aaargh. With that concentration, little hope of an investigation in the MSM revealing a criminal conspiracy like Watergate …
I’d like to think it won’t happen, but I do believe that China will make a move on Taiwan (partly because it said it would). Will the West rush in? That is harder to say, but as the next few years are probably going to see some hard times arising in the West – not only higher energy prices, but possibly black-outs and the like, continuing decline of health care services as tens of billions were p*ssed up a wall on face masks, tests and other useless nonsense rather than being invested in staff and proper treatment, lower food production due to ‘green’ policies (aka make politicians’ buddies in the ‘green’ industry mega-wealthy) – it would be an easy way of dealing with domestic unrest. Totally correct about MSM – I read mainly Dutch and UK news and see so much stuff mirrored in Dutch news that clearly came straight out of Reuters with a tweak here or there. And I suspect a lot of our covid news came straight from pfissers marketing department, probably with a payment to publish it and present it as a news item rather than the marketing puff that it really is. MSM has suffered… Read more »
Even 12 years ago Nick Davies in Flat Earth News showed how the news had become largely driven either by PR releases of various kinds or lightly retouched from news agencies with their own lack of resources and frank biases.
That leads to unreliable news even with honest journalists, but has set up the entire news industry to become completely manipulated by a few owners with an agenda, by governments “friendly” or hostile, or by NGOs looking to channel public opinion.
A preemptive attack on China, yes indeed they are stupid enough to do it. Of course we plebs will end up dead, but that’s probably just what they want.
“There is still nothing from Government sources acknowledging this failure of the vaccines against infection, its implications for policy and analysing what might be behind it.” Of course not. This data completely invalidates the requirement for care home staff to be vaccinated, or for vaccinated travellers to be given favourable treatment, or any use of vaccine passports. It’s too inconvenient to acknowledge not only that the vaccines don’t stop infection but can increase infection. Not to mention the unprecedented vaccine harms, two orders of magnitude higher than previous vaccines. But it is not only shown in the UK data. A large study in Qatar showed the same, that vaccine effectiveness turns negative after 20 weeks. Likewise in the biggest study of all, the whole Israeli population, based on which Pfizer admitted to the FDA on September 17 that their vaccine effectiveness after a few months was ‘not statistically significantly different from zero.’ It is this data and these admissions that confirm that the stringent vaccine apartheid policies in Italy and France, in Lithuania and Slovakia, in Australia etc, are nothing to do with public health. Nor is it here. The sooner the population of this country wakes up from all… Read more »
I’ll add Denmark data.
https://mobile.twitter.com/mahmudme01/status/1444528425918767105
And let’s throw another dart.
Taiwan!
https://mobile.twitter.com/pcrclaims/status/1448622309917478915
What will happen when these things end up in court? As they will at some point. Will judges pooh-pooh what is becoming an overwhelming tsunami of clinical data showing these vaccines are just crap?
“We are all being bullied by drug pushers.”
I can’t disagree. But I see no signs of a general awakening.
Creating the case for another Xmas lock up.
Note the absolute rates for deaths and hospitalisations – even on this data. Way lower than 1%.
“Our data suggests that vaccinated people do not carry the virus, don’t get sick.” – Rochelle Walinsky, head of the CDC. (at some time in the past, it would take an unusually brass neck to say that now)
Rochelle Walinsky looks increasingly manic and panicky. She must be having some sleepless nights….
She really does. She realises she’s been set up, I think.
Have we got to the bottom of exactly why and how being jabbed makes you more likely to test positive? Surely if the test is fraudulent nonsense anyway they could ‘fix’ this embarrassing problem?
In the US they test the jabbed at a lower cycle rate to avoid this problem.
Double plus good
😉 sweet.
It feels more and more like a strategy of causing maximum division and chaos. Are they going to ‘flip the script’ and tell the vaccinated they’re the problem?! I sort of hope they do; I would darkly enjoy that.
I would assume that soon, probably this winter, a tipping point will come whereby the real world data will totally eclipse the propaganda, mind-control, psy-op, suppression of data and dissenting voices etc bullshittery that we’ve all been assaulted with thus far, and even the most ardent brain-washed cult member will have to acknowledge some hard facts as they look around them. They cannot hide the ever-mounting evidence against the harms and ineffectiveness of the jabs and the ‘passports’ for much longer. I’m also eagerly watching how these strikes in Italy are received. All it takes is some success in one country and that will encourage others to take similar action worldwide. Here’s hoping! 🙂
Some of these strikes seem to be working in the US.
Yes I was very heartened to see the impact of the Southwest Airlines strike. May this give many hope and encouragement to go down the same path. They just need to get enough people to do it and keep up momentum.
You got a downtick there from a wealthy industrialist with skin in the game 💵
Either that or they’ll turn on us in a final act of desperation 😬 I like your version better.
Except they don’t know who we are 😆
Except I’ve been telling everyone 😖
Unfortunately I think many in authority have too much invested in the existing narrative (sometimes literally invested) to ever let this happen…the data are already out there but they are managing to sweep it under the carpet thanks to a near monopoly news broadcaster.
I wish I shared your optimism, but the falsity of the Narrative has been clear for a long time, and at each stage that falsity has won out in the face of reality.
And all of us who were ‘courageous’ enough to volunteer (unasked) to form part of the untreated control group should be proud that this analysis was possible…
Doubt we’ll get any thanks for that!
And yet the mandates continue, because this is about control not public health.
…and slapstick comedy, apparently.
The funny part is that I could take this graph and put it in the face of most people I know and show them that it comes from Public Health England and they would still somehow arrive at the conclusion that I was a dangerous lunatic spreading mistruths. They’re too far gone. I suppose by about the fifth booster and the 17th round of breakthrough covid, they might be ready to start talking. We’ll just have to let them get on with it in the meantime. They’re on a one way trip to Jabsville, will they ever get back to Sensetown? I need to go to bed.
Last weekend, I was talking to a friend. During the conversation, she told me she had been double vaxxed and asked me if I had been ‘vaxxed’. I told her I wasn’t sure what the relevance of the question was but no, had no intention to be and that was my considered choice. She told me that was my right, to exercise personal choice and she thought it was a terrible idea to bring in vax passports and the various discriminatory tactics and she did not view anyone any less, she respected their choice. She even laughed and said how ridiculous it was, the suggestion that everyone should be vaxxed to protect everyone else, and that it was well known that ‘you can still catch the virus and pass it on when vaxxed!’. I asked how she felt about that aspect and didn’t she think it was a pointless exercise queuing up to be injected, especially with a new pharmaceutical preparation that had no long term data and questionable data to date. She confirmed she was aware of all this and it was a bit worrying. She does not agree with children and younger people being injected and is doubtful… Read more »
Fascinating.. the way your friend is able to separate the vaccine itself from the political environment in which it emerged. I’ve seen this too in family members, they acknowledge like your friend that many of the reactions and policies have been over the top or counterproductive but haven’t seen that as a reason to turn down the vaccine. That’s even if they are well aware that Pfizer et al have a record of malfeasance. My father in law is a retired pharmacist who wrote a novel (!) 10 years ago about a gigantic pharma scandal and, well, he’s just had his booster. Remarkable. It’s fear isn’t it? It’s also generational, and I think particularly to his generation (early 70s) just unthinkable that a fraud on this scale might be possible. Hard to hold your truth and not be gaslighted in these circumstances isn’t it!
I’m sure the older generation have more trust in institutions, but why are so many young people so ready to believe?
A very interesting question. I’ve been saying for a while now that it’s down to us Gen Xers (if that’s what you are!) to sort out this mess!
Yes I just squeak in to generation X! But what to do? I know the 17/18 year olds have been thoroughly brainwashed (I work at a 6th form) but was hoping for more kickback from 20-somethings?
My DD (Mumsnet 🤢) is in her early 20s and very much kicking back but her friends not so much. For them it seems to be about pragmatism; travel, etc) they’ve had it very easy in life really haven’t they; we can’t expect them to be revolutionaries. But then neither are we really. However we’re old enough to have a sense of political identification and dissatisfaction and (in my case) criminalisation as an illegal raver! The idea that authority doesn’t have your best interests at heart. In a sense, we’ve all got Tony Blair to blame for ‘cleaning up’ the image of politics.
Maybe because the vaccine reduces your chances of getting to hospital with a covid-19 infection. Just a wild guess.
Hmm whilst increasing your chances of catching it it seems..
Yes, and so what?
You’re an enigma. Very hard to pin down your position. You don’t like creeping authoritarianism but you seem to believe that vaxports serve some genuine purpose – today at least – although their stated aim is a lie, you believe. I’ve had covid and don’t want or need a vaccine for something I’ve already had, especially when side effects are a known risk. No bs here I don’t think.
I’m not sure what is so hard to understand about my position.
The world is not black and white. Bad policies can be somewhat effective for reasons different than what the policy-makers publicly declare. And they can still be wrong policies for more important reasons.
The principle of individual liberty is more important than the protection of public health from a disease which is 2x as deadly as seasonal flu.
Keeping an unvaccinated person out of public life will reduce their risk of infection, and encouraging a vaccinated person to participate will increase their risk of infection. Because vaccines reduce the risk of severe disease from infection – similarly, but not as good as having had covid-19 – this policy even makes sense in terms of “getting through the pandemic with least possible deaths”. It is still unethical, based on deception, and certainly disproportionately harming certain groups for the uncertain benefit of others, therefore not worth it in terms of cost/benefit.
By explaining how these policies work I am not advocating them.
BTW, it is not the vaccines that increase chances of infection, it is the (desired) behavior of the vaccinated.
What? Not buying that. Are you suggesting that people who have decided to take their chances without it are somehow more cautious?
Yes, they are both more cautious (it is one thing to bitch about vaccines online and another to actually believe your own bs and risk your own health). Also, the unvaccinated are discouraged from getting back to normal life through barriers such as mandatory testing and vaccination passports. Many people (including myself though vaccinated) actively avoid any venues that impose these restrictions, in a way “voluntarily” locking themselves down.
Distrust in vaccines does not mean that you automatically believe that a corona infection is not risky (only the dumbest of the anti-vaxxers actually believe that).
You must have difficulty thinking straight. Tortuous logic at best. Our case is that we have totally refused to ‘hide away’ as unvaxed. We have gone out of our way to conducty ‘ordinary’ life as much as possible. We have committed the ultimate sin of crossing several borders since this shit show started, putting ourselves in harms way according to your logic in metal sausages for hours on end with a bunch of vaxed individuals. We have no idea if we have had the disease from the virus, we have only taken tests when absolutely necessary to travel, and then only one PCR so far. We may have been infected in Bangkok in January 2020 when enjoying Chinese New Year with thousands from Wuhan, but if we have we don’t know and have no wish to know. There is absolutely no excuse for insisting on injecting people with an untested gene therapy for anything, nevermind something like seasonal flu. The draconian measures by governments to force conformity by withdrawing inalienable rights is wicked and evil. its clearly part of an attempt to change societies and create the environment for fascist biotech controls to be put in place. In different ways… Read more »
Your detailed narration outlines aspects of the problem very well. This coercion is operating, to a great extent, way below the level of rational thought.
I did this with a colleague the other week. We both work in an area where our jobs involve analysis of clinical data and using it to advise people, and we’ve both been doing it for over 20 years. So you’d think we would look at the same report with its clear cut conclusions and come to some kind of agreement?
He had to grudgingly accept the jab potentiated infection, but immediately leapt to the “it still limits sickness and death,….protect the NHS” bullcrap.
It MAY limit pressures in the NHS from COVID temporarily, but without all cause mortality & morbidity data, we don’t know if it protects the NHS, and ACM is running above average with heart attacks and so on….now, I wonder what might be causing that?
I wanted to shout WAKE UP YOU DOZY FUCKER! But I am very professional.
My goal is to sow at least one seed of doubt every day, wherever I go. Keep chipping away.
You do right. That’s what Prof Matthias from Belgium was saying in his video re hypnosis and mass formation. Keep bringing the counter-arguments backed up with data and eventually it should sink in. These twits can bury their heads in the sand for only so long. Perhaps a Covid ward full of fully vaxxed this winter might get some to scratch their heads! lol
I listened to him too! Going to do it. Twice a day if I get the opportunity
I managed to turn my deeply entrenched mother-in-law. She went from thinking I was a crazed conspiracy theorist in Spring 2020 when I described it as a coup, to sending me the very video you describe on Mass Formation last week (as if I hadn’t already seen it!) I just chipped away each time I saw her and now she’s on the path of righteousness!
And has turned down the booster 💪
Result!
Trying to stop my parents from having the booster. Mum’s consultant is ‘strongly advising’ her to have it…. I’m using facts intertwined with emotional blackmail! Hopefully the blackmail will win….
Fighting emotive propaganda with emotive propaganda seems entirely appropriate!
I have found that indirect ridicule works too. I don’t attack the person, or any belief they have already stated. However, the absolute nonsense that is this pandemic response, is rife for ridicule.
Making someone feel stupid, without directly attacking them does have an impact.
That’s why I decided to reframe it setting it in the 1980s in my satirical YouTube channel which still hasn’t been taken down: https://youtube.com/user/CrisisGarden
How utterly infuriating for you! And the added layer to this of course is that we wouldn’t be seeing these hospitalisations and deaths if people were being treated properly with drugs that actually work. But as far as most people (even doctors) are concerned it’s untreatable. The whole paradigm is a lie; and we’re reduced to arguing the point on the terms of the criminals. I think that’s why I’ve ended up simply making fun of it all. ‘Wake up you dozy fucker’ is an entirely reasonable sentiment. I would like to fly that message from the back of a plane!
and we’re reduced to arguing the point on the terms of the criminals
We (well most of us) are readily accepting the existence of angels and their ability to dance on the head of a pin, only pausing to wonder how many might be able to ‘do a Strictly’ together on that pin.
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“Keep chipping away.”
I think that’s all one can do. Shouting and bawling at the unconvinced is totally ineffective.
Well your point about all cause mortality comparisons is spot in, IMO.
This has to be THE key metric. The facts that there must be smart people in Whitehall who know this, and that no such data is available is very telling indeed, and makes a properly considered decision on having the vaccine impossible.
Since the number cases per 100,000 people is clearly related to the number of people getting tested the figures may not be a true representation of the number of people catching covid.
If the majority of unvaccinated people are anything like myself (healthy and therefore in a low risk group), aren’t scared of covid and haven’t been brainwashed by the government then they aren’t going to go running to the nearest test centre every time they have the slightest sniffle. (In the past 18 months I’ve had several mild infections that could’ve been covid, but were more likely to be a cold, and never bothered to get tested).
Therefore the figures based on positive test results could be missing a lot of mild cases in the unvaccinated, but picking them up in the vaccinated simply because the vaccinated are getting tested more often.
Therefore a much better way of assessing vaccine effectiveness would be to compare the percentage of tests that are positive in the 2 groups, if the data is available.
Just curious why “vaccinated” people would be getting tested in the first place. Are they actually encouraged to do so, if they get the slightest sniffle, when they go for their second jab, or in the pamphlet they get? Just seems odd that you’d get jabbed only to have zero confidence in the stuff you’ve been jabbed with, and still behave like a paranoid hypochondriac! Crazy.
A lot of people are still testing regularly for work aren’t they? That might make the data more representative. At work we have been invited to take part in saliva testing (i assume this is some kind of trial), might have signed up to it if the email hadn’t gone on to say they still expect participants to do two LFTs per week
I read on the BBC the other day that the vaccine reduces chance of infection by 50%, and that 1 in 3 people can spread Covid without any having symptoms. What utter nonsense.
Can we report them for misinformation?
I’ve had this figure presented to me by a Covidian colleague who seemed to pluck it out of his arse. Now I know where he might have picked up the misinformation. Should have guessed…
I’ve been keeping score! Here are the results so far.
Two. The number of people I know personally who tested positive for Covid last year. One of them, a doctor, was off work for a few weeks but not in hospital. His doctor had prescribed antibiotics in case it was really a chest infection. The other, with COPD, was fine.
Eight. The number of double jabbed people I know who have tested positive for Covid this year after showing symptoms. Two of them also passed it on to their children. This number includes the mother of my grandson who was rushed into hospital last year with bacterial pneumonia, possibly as a result of mask wearing.
It’s just not healthy being a Covidian.
Ha ha! No it’s not!
2020: not a single Covid case in the wider circle of me and my whole family’s acquaintances
2021: 1 stroke, 2 GBS/Parkinson syndromes, 2 falls (1fatal) after fainting, 1 hospitalisation for clotting, 1 fatal heart attack (63yrs), plenty of persistent long term side effects, all after getting jabbed.
Countless Covid infections among those jabbed anyway, of course.
Me thinks, we/they have been sold a lemon, and more of them start to think so too- still unable or willing to connect all the dots though.
Unwilling, above and beyond all else. The push over here was not as harsh as in other countries, resulting in very high uptake. They’ve been jabbing the 12-15s here since the summer and I’ve not heard much protesting about it. But jabbees I’ve spoken to about these things are aware that they can still catch and pass on the bat plague and like obedient children take a test if they have a sniffle. And look somewhat bemused when relaying a story of someone who became very ill or died, despite being vaxxed. They remind me of those people you see on those tv programmes about people who have been scammed by internet romance conartists. Sending thousands to someone claiming to be some very nice Brit or American – with a Nigerian accent and poor English – and even when presented with the most incontrovertible evidence that they have been duped, still clearly *want* to believe that they have not and that the stolen picture that they have been sending money to really is the love of their life. Same scenario – people want to get back to normal, they want the vaxx to work – so it works because they’ve… Read more »
Playing devil’s advocate here…… Looking at the 60-69 age bracket, cases 314/100k, hospitalisation 32/100k and deaths 20/100k. On the face of it, for fearful 60-69 year olds. the jab looks a good choice if you think you’re going to be a case in the first place.
Is it possible that this un-jabbed older population is made up of two distinct groups?
One group being the healthy awkward squad who never get tested, barely notice the sniffles, keep fit and healthy and take responsibility for themselves and never become a “case”.
The other group being the “too ill to jab” or contra-indicated because of other medical conditions and are likely to get tested regularly.
Both are made up of very small numbers.
I suppose I’m saying, is it possible that, whilst younger un-jabbed age groups are a real mix, this older un-jabbed group members is made up of polar opposites.
To understand better we would indeed need to know more detail about the health profile of those hospitalised and dying from/with covid as they are fairly small groups and outcomes depend enormously on underlying state of health
Time for certain politicians to wake up. Some of them are deliberately attempting to impose policies built on a lie, in effect (so called ‘passports’, e.g.). To my mind, anything done that way is invalid, and unsupportable. If they were honest, they’d have to admit that their project appears to have failed, but no doubt they will try bamboozle their way out of it.
So seasonality kicks in and shows it up for the sham it is !!
Well, if you had the vaccination and you were a horse in a horse race, then with the Pfizer jab you had an 0.84% chance of winning the race and Covid had a 99.16% chance of winning the race and with odds like that, I would bet my bundle on Covid and not you (much laughter) As you might say, 6,500 doctors can’t be wrong: Former Pfizer VP: 0.84% ‘Clear evidence of fraud’ in Pfizer study claiming 95% efficacy posted by Mordechai Sones September 30, 2021 10:58 am America’s Frontline Doctors (AFLDS) Chief Science Officer Dr. Michael Yeadon yesterday said there is “clear evidence of fraud” in the Pfizer study that purports to claim 95% efficacy in their COVID-19 “vaccine”. Yeadon was commenting on an article appearing in The Lancet and critiquing a documentary that scrutinized a Pfizer efficacy study, calling the distinction raised therein between relative risk reduction and absolute risk reduction “accurate”. The Lancet article, entitled COVID-19 vaccine efficacy and effectiveness—the elephant (not) in the room, says that although attention has focused on vaccine efficacy and comparing the reduction of the number of symptomatic cases, “fully understanding the efficacy and effectiveness of vaccines is less straightforward than it might… Read more »
My Covid Crusher – the way to end the pandemic dead and for zero cost!! The assumption is that the only way to deal with Covid, is after it arrives as Covid in your body, after the initial cold infection, in your head, some 20 days earlier . Why is that? Kill the Flu or Coronavirus in the head, soon after getting the virus in the nasal passages inside the head, with my free salt water cure, which flushes out the nasal passages (so no Long Covid) and kills off the Coronavirus infection, immediately, or during the 10 to 14 days of self isolation. No infection in the head, no Covid – it is as simple as that. Then the purpose and functions of the vaccines, ceases to be a problem and you simply can’t get sick and won’t ever get Covid. Mix one heaped teaspoon of “iodine” table or sea salt in a mug of warm or cold “clean” water, cup a hand and pour some of the solution in, then sniff or snort that mugful up into your nose, spitting out everything which comes down into your mouth, from the back of your throat, by so doing, you… Read more »
This nasal rinse plus gargling has been recommended by many eminent medics for all clinical staff.
Interesting. When I was a small boy at boarding school, when Macmillan was PM, we all had a compulsory gargle of purple permanganate of potash every winter morning. I also had some condition for which a salt water gargle was prescribed by the school doctor. I don’t recall any outbreaks of anything, even when we were frozen in for weeks in the 62-63 winter. However, living conditions, both at school and at home, were rather more Spartan than nowadays, and it was usual to wake up to frost over the inside of the dormitory windows.
Started doing this a few years ago, although not very consistently.
Last time I had a cold which I knew was definitely a beginning cold, was February 2020, after a flight (always get a cold after a flight in winter).
Because it was early days of the lurgi and I was concerned, I was more consistent with the gargling. Woke up Sunday morning with sore throat and clogged nose, after the salt water regime, woke up Monday with everything clear.
Since then, any time something seemed like the onset of a cold I immediately use the salt water. No cold in the last year and a half. Have been out and about, no mask wearing.
Vaxxed Delta Pilot Dies In-Flight; Southwest Flights Have Mass Cancellations · October 12, 2021 Reports of hundreds of canceled Southwest flights have been met with all kinds of excuses, and Stew Peters says somebody’s lying. It’s not bad weather, like Southwest claims, he says. And, it’s not FAA problems either, because they say there haven’t been any air traffic control problems that would cause massive flight cancellations, despite reports that air traffic control agents walked off the job in Jacksonville, Florida, in protest of vaccine mandates. So what is it? Other airlines didn’t have mass cancellations. Peters says it’s probably the vaccine mandates that Southwest just laid down for all personnel — and, he says, “there are reports that pilots are joining the resistance as well” even though the pilots’ union denies it. Adding to the scandal are reports of a Delta pilot who died in-flight within the last 10 days. The co-pilot said he just suddenly died. The co-pilot also shared that the pilot said he’d just gotten his second COVID shot a few days earlier. “It’s much bigger than people think,” the co-pilot allegedly said. Not only that flights are being diverted due to pilots with chest pains. A… Read more »
And this is why – regarding next post: Army Doctor & Aerospace Medicine Specialist LTC. Theresa Long Calls On Pentagon To Ground ALL Pilots That Have Taken COVID Shots Added by Johanna Anim Caviezel on September 28, 2021. Lieutenant Colonel Theresa Long, who is an Army Doctor and Aerospace Medicine Specialist, provided an affidavit in which she recommends the Secretary of Defense to ground all pilots that have received the COVID shots. The affidavits reads in full below. Do a search of this article for the word “pilot” and you will notice the petition of LTC. Long in point 39 below. I, Lieutenant Colonel Theresa Long, MD, MPH, FS being duly sworn, depose and state as follows: 1. I make this affidavit, as a whistle blower under the Military Whistleblower Protection Act, Title 10 U.S.C. § 1034, in support of the above referenced MOTION as expert testimony in support thereof. 2. The expert opinions expressed here are my own and arrived at from my persons, professional and educational experiences taken in context, where appropriate, by scientific data, publications, treatises, opinions, documents, reports and other information relevant to the subject matter and are not necessarily those of the Army or Department of Defense.… Read more »
Dr Ugur Sahin, the COVID-19 vaccine he designed for Pfizer was designed in just few hours in a single day on January 25, 2020.
No other vaccine in history has been created and manufactured so quickly. Previously, the fastest vaccine ever developed took more than four years.
co-founder of BioNTech
Not only that, Pfizer Chairman (((Albert Bourla))) hasn’t gotten around to having his shot, or Dr Ugur Sahin, last I knew.
And it went from laboratory straight into human arms without any animal testing first – mRNA never used in humans ever before – doesn’t that strike you as odd?
Have you noticed how all new vaccines and medications are going from Laboratory into human arms without animal testing now, that is because the Pfizer vaccine, above, set a prescedent and everyone has jumped on the bandwaggon and is doing the same thing – no testing – massive profits immediately and more instant billionaires at the cost of you who stupidly take their concoctions, or are forced too by Biden.
And the latest from my mate who informed me last week that he was really really really ill with the vid… He could barely stand up or breathe!
Today’s update?
“it’s a good job I had been double vaxxed because… thankfully I only got a mild dose”
He can’t wait for his booster top-ups!
Is this to be the next phase of the psy-op? We the great un jabbed continuing to spread our filth, transmitting and trying to kill the jabbies through their jab shields.
Never forget Bob. He’s a proper bad arse!
Jim Bruer uses satire beautifully, to sum up the world we currently occupy. I love this and it’s a much-needed breath of fresh air…
https://youtu.be/GRv7gMCsTjU
Getting tired of all this? feel alone?
BandStand in BlakePark – Bridgwater – Somerset. Every Sunday 10am meet like minded people who can see the bleedin’ obvious.
Telegram: Connecting Warriors.
Other venues are available all over the country but you won’t find their details on MSM.
If unsure A good start would be Telegram groups for your area. “A Stand in the Park – Bracknell & Wokingham”. Via posts from our very own ‘Lockdown Sceptic’ A regular here on DS
So we know, as fact, that the lust for a “vaccine passport” is nothing to do with infection control, at all. In fact, it’s 109% not infection control.
Which leaves a rather difficult question for those who think our government is simply incompetent or misguided, and who have shied away from the most malign explanations given by “conspiracy theorists”, doesn’t it?
If the green cards aren’t about virus control, what are they for? And what on earth are the “vaccines”?
The trillion dollar question. My wife gets irritated with me constantly trying to work this out but I need to know! In order to prepare accordingly…
The vaccines reduce your risk of severe disease, albeit only temporarily. The passes are to encourage people who took the vaccines to mingle and get infected with the real thing, yielding long-term immunity. They are also there to keep away the unvaccinated, whose higher risk makes it more likely that they end up in ICU and clog the hospitals for everyone else.
There, I worked it out for you.
Absolute nonsense.