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Hugh
Hugh
4 years ago

“SAGE quashed dissenting voices”.

Is there actually anything scientific about this politicised bunch of debate stiflers who include computer modelers with a dreadful track record (and ignore things such as orthomolecular medicine whilst refusing to run genuine vitamin D trials in conjunction with nutritional experts and people without conflicts of interest with the pharmaceutical industry)?

Banjones
Banjones
4 years ago
Reply to  Hugh

Listen to this Australian MP trying to speak of the missed opportunities with Ivermectin. Hurry because no doubt Yootoob will have it away….

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dgCABsRgaH8

Mark
4 years ago

Senator Lindsey Graham (R-South Carolina) was met with boos at a conservative event after he tried to promote Covid-19 vaccination to the crowd.”

Lindsey Graham is about as conservative as the average “Conservative” Party government minister.

He’s been actively betraying his voters by collaborating with the Biden regime to approve judges who will push the Democrats’ leftist woke agenda via judicial activism for years to come.

Tucker Carlson: Lindsey Graham has helped Biden reshape the federal judiciary

Hugh
Hugh
4 years ago
Reply to  Mark

Republicans (i.e. anti-monarchists) are conservative?!
I seem to remember Donald Trump was also booed when he promoted “vaccines”.

I reckon the important political divide these days is between those who collaborate in the corruption of democratic politics by global big businesses such as pharmaceutical countries for their own interest whilst damaging many others, and those who want to reign it in

Mark
4 years ago
Reply to  Hugh

Republicans (i.e. anti-monarchists) are conservative?!”

More than “Conservatives” here are conservative.

I seem to remember Donald Trump was also booed when he promoted “vaccines”.
I reckon the important political divide these days is between those who collaborate in the corruption of democratic politics by global big businesses such as pharmaceutical countries for their own interest whilst damaging many others, and those who want to reign it in

There’s a reason Republican leaders are booed by their supporters if they advocate the “vaccines” but Democrats never are.

Hugh
Hugh
4 years ago
Reply to  Mark

Aren’t the “Democrats” (who allegedly stole the presidential election) even more left wing? I still fail to see why the “left”, as I understand them, should wish to collaborate with corrupt, anti-democratic (and apparently sanguinary) multi-nationals, let alone “Greens”, who I would expect to be suspicious of the “Frankenstein” science emanating from pharmaceutical companies. Or am I missing something?

Mark
4 years ago
Reply to  Hugh

“Aren’t the “Democrats” (who allegedly stole the presidential election) even more left wing?” Even more left wing than whom? “I still fail to see why the “left”, as I understand them, should wish to collaborate with corrupt, anti-democratic (and apparently sanguinary) multi-nationals, let alone “Greens”, who I would expect to be suspicious of the “Frankenstein” science emanating from pharmaceutical companies. Or am I missing something?” Well, you’d probably have to ask them, motivations are fundamentally a matter of speculation. But as a matter of observable, objective fact, in the US and elsewhere parties of the left (including Greens) have almost all been enthusiastically collaborating with the covid panic policies that benefit big pharma. Because this has in most places been a general societal panic, so too have parties of the right, to some degree and where you can actually find any that are in power these days, but in the US it is the conservative wing of the Republican Party that is most keen on resisting. Hence the booing phenomenon under discussion here. One can speculate about a convergence of interest in centralised big government, top down control of society that allows the easier imposition of radical changes, or note… Read more »

Hugh
Hugh
4 years ago
Reply to  Mark

Even more left-wing than the Republicans!

artfelix
4 years ago
Reply to  Hugh

Left and right wing are completely meaningless terms now. There are authoritarians and libertarians. The authoritarians currently being the more extremist of the two. They cross over party lines to the point of parties being almost meaningless and party-based politics no longer an appropriate form for democracy.

Mark
4 years ago
Reply to  artfelix

Why are left and right “meaningless terms”? Since, in various of its aspects, left/right has been a feature of western politics for at least a couple of hundred years, it seems unlikely to have suddenly disappeared. Though any meaningful discussion would probably benefit from first defining how you are using the term. Here are four connotations of left/right suggested by former US Supreme Court Justice Antonin Scalia. Which is your preferred one? (I tend to use something along the lines of his third connotation, if I remember his description correctly: the left are the radicals trying to rebuild humanity and society in pursuance of their theoretical goals, the right are those resisting them.) “Is Capitalism or Socialism More Conducive to Christian Virtue?” Authoritarian/libertarian has always been another fundamental range in human political attitudes, generally recognised as not congruent with left/right, in fact often viewed as orthogonal to it. It has always been vital, and remains so today, alongside left/right. I think you are confused here by the fact that our main parties no longer fit into the easy left/right alternatives model of the C19th/C20th. But that doesn’t mean “left/right are no longer relevant”. They are as relevant as they always… Read more »

artfelix
4 years ago
Reply to  Mark

Left and right have lost all meaning because society is fundamentally different to how it has been in the last hundred plus years where the terms were relevant. Scalia’s definitions are a word game designed to keep the terms alive in the 21st Century by means of semantics. It ignores the reality of what is actually happening to shoehorn in wafer thin differences between otherwise identical ideologies of any movement with a significant political base.

In many ways we are moving closer to a sort of techno-feudal system of governance rather than anything remotely similar to what has existed for the last 150 years. I can see it’s comforting for people Scalia’s age to want to keep defining things in a way they feel familiar with and using terms they understand but that doesn’t make him any less wrong.

Mark
4 years ago
Reply to  artfelix

Left and right have lost all meaning because society is fundamentally different to how it has been in the last hundred plus years where the terms were relevant.

Left and right long predate their particular C20th manifestations you refer to (presumably basically the kind of socialist/capitalist stuff that Scalia referenced back in 2013). Your perspective is too narrow.

The modern attempts to transform humanity and society are no longer particularly focussed on those old divisions, yes, but the basic drive remains (and probably always will). The main focus of the left is now on the political correctness (now termed woke) issues and globalism/antinationalism, both aimed at breaking down resistance to radicalism.

This is left/right today.

Richard Austin
Richard Austin
4 years ago
Reply to  Mark

In a sense you are right when you say “… at least a couple of hundred years” but factually it is incorrect since Right Wing was invented by British Socialists in the 1930’s as a means of distancing themselves from their brethren in Germany led by Hitler. Hence why it is a complete nonsense that the Tories got lumped in with Hitlers National Socialist Party. The clue is, after all, in the name.
The National Socialist Party, if not identified as simply Left therefore must be Extreme Left if the Right Wing is the opposite of the Left wing.

Hugh
Hugh
4 years ago

“Largest and highest quality Ivermectin study found no benefit”. (BBC – and no mention of Uttar Pradesh in the article).

What are the BBC up to now then? And where were they on those rigged vitamin D trials which bore no resemblance to the recommendations of the OMNS? ( orthomolecular.org/resources/omns/v16n04.shtml )

In April last year, the Daily Mail described vitamin D as “a bright new hope to fight the crisis”. They seem to have gone a bit quiet on it lately. Has someone been influencing them? And how much did they pay the press?

artfelix
4 years ago
Reply to  Hugh

Typical BBC drivel – I used to write this shit for them myself; although it wasn’t quite as bad then I could see where it was going.

They drop in the the line of vaccine safety by dismissing concerns as “a common misreading of safety data.” Indeed, some of the more extreme predictions around vaccine deaths are based on a misreading – but without any misreading at all, and using the criteria for measuring harm from vaccines that are used for any medical intervention, it is crystal clear that the vaccines are at best of limited benefit while coming with low but still significant risk of harm and unknown long term effects.

The story offers no explanations of what these common misreadings are. Shit journalism – unfortunately from what I know of the journalists I worked with it’s not because of any directive on high (although no doubt there is one, but most hacks there don’t know that) it’s just that they aren’t very good at their job and they are afraid to ask questions.

Banjones
Banjones
4 years ago
Reply to  Hugh

Speaking of Uttar Pradesh, listen to Craig Kelly trying to explain how Ivermectin has helped them (from two minutes in he is fighting for the freedom to speak about it). They don’t want to hear about how opportunities are being missed – I wonder why?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dgCABsRgaH8

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4 years ago

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Julian
4 years ago

Humanity will win the war on Covid”
Oh for goodness’ sake, when will we stop being so arrogant and deluded? I mean in the abstract it’s fine to be positive about the chances of future progress in eliminating suffering, but when it becomes an overwhelming obsession that leads us into futile and damaging actions, it needs to be reined in.

Hypatia
Hypatia
4 years ago

Excellent comment by David Starkey.
Always common sense from him.

Jo
Jo
4 years ago
Reply to  Hypatia

I didn’t used to like him. But as with so many people, I now find what he is saying is spot on.

186NO
186NO
4 years ago
Reply to  Hypatia

Because he remains free to speak his mind, even if we don’t hear from him so often

john ball
john ball
4 years ago
Reply to  Hypatia

unfortunately he has only been recently rehabilitated because he has the most extreme views in favour of the jabs, as extreme as Piers Morgan, on LBC said they were proved scientifically without questionning all the evidence of their risks.so while I used to like him before now I have to regard him and a lot of others as completely damaged goods.

prod_squadron
prod_squadron
4 years ago

“All Progress is made by heretics. It’s by people who don’t accept what they’re told.” David Starkey.

john ball
john ball
4 years ago
Reply to  prod_squadron

then he should listen to ll those who oppose the jabs, and not blindly accept them as he has done

John
4 years ago

I worked, as a nurse, alongside homosexuals and heterosexuals, I didn’t give a monkey’s about their sexuality, it didn’t have any affect on the role. Likewise with the patients, they are people not a sexuality. The only time that I was adversely affected when a young man came into A&E having harmed himself, after talking to him it came out that he had been raped, this was the first and fortunately only time that I encountered a rape victim of either sex.

Encierro
4 years ago

I am too old to go clubbing.
https://www.getreading.co.uk/news/reading-berkshire-news/police-want-windsor-nightclub-close-21788982
I did not realise that digital IDs were a thing. There was I worried about the privacy of health passports to enter these venues.

Encierro
4 years ago

Justin Trudeau uses latest sexual identities acronym 2SLGBTQQIA+” – Justin Trudeau has been mocked online for using the latest sexual identities acronym, 2SLGBTQQIA+, in a tweet – which includes the number and letter “2S” which stands for “Two-spirit”, reports MailOnline.

Reminds me of Bob Newhart and the infinite number of monkeys ‘To be or not to be – that is the gggzornonplatt.

Mark
4 years ago

“Glenn Greenwald’s take on this is right. What Haugen accuses Facebook of is nothing other than the failure to fully stamp-out unorthodox thought which fails to abide by the liberal shibboleths of the modern woke left. By positioning herself as a Silicon Valley renegade, Haugen gives those in Washington the perfect stick with which to beat the last bits of freedom of speech which exist on major online platforms. Any speech which fails to fall into their narrow world-view is verboten. As Greenwald rightly points out, those who rail against the likes of Facebook never complain about it’s accumulation of power- they never want to do a ‘Standard Oil’ to it- but instead merely contest the nature of the use of its accumulated power.” Greenwald is indeed correct, as is Frederick Edward, but it is better that big tech’s active leftist bias is increasingly out in the open, following its very obvious and public manipulation of the US election to elect the unelectable (by honest means) Biden/Harris team. That bias was there previously, but it was deniable by those whose purposes were served by pretending it was not. That denial obviously continues, but it is no longer credible for those… Read more »

John
4 years ago

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/breaking-armed-french-police-board-25166881 French police arresting man for wearing the wrong type of mask!