Like Freddy Krueger, Professor Lockdown Refuses to Admit Defeat
No matter how many disastrously inaccurate predictions he makes, Professor Neil Ferguson is still doing the rounds of broadcasting studios and the parliamentary estate brandishing his crystal ball. His latest appearance was in front of the All Party Parliamentary Group on Coronavirus earlier today, where he warned that ‘Plan B’ would have to be activated if Covid hospital admissions climb above 1,200 a day. MailOnline has more.
England may have to resort to its winter Covid ‘Plan B’ if daily hospital admissions for coronavirus breach 1,200, ‘Professor Lockdown’ Neil Ferguson said today.
Boris Johnson announced last month that face masks, social distancing and vaccine passports might need to be brought back if the NHS comes under unsustainable pressure.
Ministers said the trigger point will be hospital rates now that the jabs have made case numbers less important – but they have not put a threshold on admissions.
Professor Ferguson – a key Government adviser whose modelling prompted the first lockdown last March – suggested England should not tolerate more than 1,200 daily hospitalisations. For comparison, Covid admission levels breached 4,000 during the darkest days of the second wave in January.
Speaking to a cross-party committee of MPs today, he said that the country was currently recording around 600 Covid admissions per day.
He added: “If that figure were to double, we’d need to think about moving to ‘Plan B’.” The epidemiologist, based at Imperial College London, called for “more intense” curbs if there is a sharp rise in admissions.
To get ahead of a winter wave, he said second doses for 16 and 17 year-olds could be brought forward and advised we are “more aggressive” in administering boosters.
Worth reading in full.
Stop Press: The Daily Sceptic‘s in-house doctor has sent through the latest INARC NHS England data, which shows current Covid hospital admissions steadily declining since Covid restrictions were eased on July 21st, in spite of Prof Ferguson’s prediction that cases would rise to 100,000 a day – that was “almost inevitable”, according to Mystic Meg – and possibly to 200,000.
Current daily hospital admissions have stabilised around 600, but ICU admissions continue to decline (see below). Still no sign of the much ballyhooed “surge” after schools reopened.
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I wish someone would just assonate that prick! Problem solved.
Ferguson is an expert in self-assonation, having repeatedly made a complete ass of himself 🙂 .
Not at all. He walks abroad as a significant listened-to member of the Living Dead.
“Why are we still calling upon the shagger Neil Ferguson for coronavirus modelling and predictions?”
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wx5OXfpSkn4
Because Bill Gates wants us to and he is running the Covid shit show.
We are not. They are.
Ferguson is employed by Imperial, which is a recipient of obscene amounts of cash from the BMGF. Ferguson is simply providing the crooked forecasts that Gates is paying Imperial to deliver. However, if it wasn’t Ferguson producing the nonsense then there would simply be somebody else from Imperial saying what Bill wants him to say. The real problem lies with the globalists and their lackeys in government.
also BMGF give money to the BBC so when they want to consult an “expert” they go to Imperial
Assassinate
As well as the rest of them.
Plan A ignore anything written by someone who writes a model that’s not deterministic and cannot understand threading etc.
Ferguson isn’t a scientist. He’s more like an economist: he writes models that can’t even predict events that have already occurred.
He is a physicist by background.
So good at maths but there is a huge difference between mathematical excellence and modelling.
Just ask any market analyst in the City. Though there if they prove to be shit at doing it they get sacked instead of being praised.
Basically, the error comes before any specific model imperfections : it’s the inability to learn from blindingly obvious conflicts with the feedback from reality.
You have to be really dumb or dishonest to persist with glaring errors of outcome.
…or being subjected to painful threats or fantastic incentives?
Uptick if you think”dishonest”….
His knowledge in the field of Physics wouldn’t get him a cub scout badge!!! Didn’t he fail or get chucked off a degree course.? So he settles for epidemiology, a subject for pi*s poor statisticians who lack the ability to become proper scientists , producing models with so many variables they are utterly pointless. As the late, great George Carlin said if you put garbage in you’ll get garbage out!! As for F*ckupson’s ability in maths it is far inferior than that of a darts scorer at the Ally Pally!!
I do like the headline.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uj2Ia9GlIM4
Pfizer Scientist Nick Karl Confronted By James O’Keefe Over Shocking ‘Natural Immunity’ Admission
All those people who knew the real facts but chose to hide them from the public are guilty of crimes against humanity. Every single one of them.
Natural immunity is stronger, longer lasting and covers variants. The vaccines are a pale (but dangerous) shadow of natural immunity.
This guy is an absolute menace. Done more damage to this country than the Luftwaffe.
And some!
I will second that
If there is anyone reading DS still trolling or just refusing to assimilate information like this guy’s admission – the science of which has been known and declared for a very long time – I ask “Just what is it going to take for “you” to realise you’ve been had?”
You know the quote… “It’s easier to fool people than to convince them that they have been fooled.” Mark Twain.
I would add … “or get them to admit they have been fooled.”
It is all about “face”…..now , let me think, where is saving face such an important ingrained knee-jerk response….answers on a postcard please
Here is another quote “There are two ways to be fooled. One is to believe what isn’t true; the other is to refuse to believe what is true.” Søren Kierkegaard.
Ferguson has been fooled the second way whilst the sheeple have been fooled the first way
Cui Bono?
Gates funded Ferguson proposes Gates funded bio digital surveillance as a solution to a seasonal respiratory infection against which the majority of the population are already inoculated.
https://www.imperial.ac.uk/mrc-global-infectious-disease-analysis/disease-areas/arboviruses/
https://id2020.org
Ferguson claimed 100,000 so-called cases per day would inevitably happen in the first fortnight of August and that 200,000 were possible. Not hospitalisations. That would be a bit much.
He might have been right if the entire population had had a Gold Standard RT-PCR test by the 14th August 2021…….
The fact this incompetent tool has any input shows the Governments utter contempt for the public. They are taking the piss on a monumental level. As we all know by now though there will be plenty who swallow his shit by the truckload ( if a driver can be found of course).
The argument that the NHS would be overwhelmed may have been valid 18 months when we knew very little about COVID.
But now they have had 18 months to prepare, build capacity, reevaluate staff priorities and absences etc not mention the governments open cheque book (maybe the billions spent on your ludicrous app would have been better spent eh Hancock?) means that any failure this winter is entirely up to them.
Why should we have to suffer anything because of an entirely predictable problem they have failed to mitigate.
Such incompetence in the private sector would be have severe repercussions.
Any chance the public sector?
Such incompetence in the private sector would be have severe repercussions.
Hmm … as in Facebook DNS servers inaccessible for hours due to deficient DNS topology and an ill-judged configuration change on some backbone router?
Indeed, I had to laugh at this obeisance at the outdated ideological wishing well. This crisis stems from the private sector, busy scooping up the boodle without the provision of utility.
The point is not that a company in the private sector doesn’t make mistakes, but that they can only survive making so many before they get outcompeted. This doesn’t apply in an industry (e.g. health in the UK) where there is no competition and funding comes from the state. Of course, there are private sector industries that are relatively insulated from competition (Google) and you’ll get similar issues there.
There’s a mixup of terms here: Public and private describe different kinds of ownership. Competition refers to a mode of operation. Specifically, to an open market where a principally unlimited number of entities offering certain goods or services compete for the business of a limited number of potential customers. That’s something privately owned businesses are often keen to avoid as it limits profitability/ ROI.
Eg, the railway operators are privately owned companies in the UK but they don’t usually compete with each other as they cannot offer competing services. This would only be possible if there was more than one railway network.
Some of the train operating companies (TOCs) are private, some have been de facto nationalised (such as LNER), but the railway itself is not (Network Rail).
Precisely.
… and the sham privatisation solved nothing, whilst creating a nightmare system of ideology, as anyone versed in booking tickets knows.
This is a very naive view of how competition actually works.
Don’t mistake – I’m not arguing against competition – just contesting the idea that it inevitably leads to greater efficiency and effectiveness. Additionally, the drive is actually towards eliminating competition, and then exploiting your market – monopolies and cartels of producer interest. Not ‘mistakes’ – inherent drivers.
… and I’m not making a blanket argument for blanket/simplistic public ownership, either, or its inherent perils. I’m just a realist who recognizes that the world doesn’t conform to the models of either the Tooting Trots or Mad Marketeers.
Returning to the practical – the current issues are not about the NHS as a public enterprise.
You appear to be a target of the twitchy fingered downtickers. I wonder why.
Because at least 4 people have compared private care and NHS rations of treatment and realised the NHS is a bag of shite?
Just a side-effect of not being a knee-Jerk.
Whatever that means.
It means that I’m qualified to judge this kind of stuff and you’re not. But please feel free to ask for clarifications (instead of just making suggestive, disparaging remarks) and – time permitting – I’ll do my best to explain it in laymen’s terms.
Qualified? How?
Facebook going offline for ever is a wonderful dream
Chief exec of the hospital where I work has told us they have worked tirelessly to respond to 7 possible scenarios this winter. None of these have included more staff, more beds, just varying degrees of cutting back non covid service.
Total lack of imagination and enterprise, but what do you expect from feather-bedded NHS bosses.
That sounds realistic. The Tories are using the shit-show to hide their failures, throwing money at irrelevancies whilst carving slices out of health provision. Both of which strategies fill the mates’ boots.
It’s pretty obvious
A once seemingly good man who worked his way up has become a mouthpiece for the government. Huge new building on site for increasing covid testing facilities. Where the heck did that money come from when cancer care is desperate for more space.
The new Covid building will suit the Tory government ‘communications playbook’ (institutional lying) that orders that any hospital refurbishment or building work on site must be described as a ‘new hospital’. This is to meet their manifesto pledge that they will build 40 new hospitals by the end of the decade.
Bet you didn’t know you were now working in a ‘brand new hospital’, did you?
And kills people.
Yet again the question has to be why are my freedoms and civil liberties dependent on the ability of a Soviet Style ludicrously unmanageable mega health service to deliver efficient health care? Whether or not the NHS thinks it is overwhelmed should have nothing to do with my freedoms and civil liberties.
The NHS needs to be broken up and we need a new system of health funding and we need a clear separation of our freedoms and civil liberties from the operation of health care. To my mind the very idea that we can even suggest that because the NHS is struggling, my life should be restricted and locked-down is totally unacceptable and should not be on the table for consideration.
> the very idea that we can even suggest that because the NHS is struggling, my life should be restricted and locked-down
It’s a reason the NHS is a terrible idea.
“It’s a reason the NHS is a terrible idea.”
Not at all – it enhanced health care after its inception by a massive amount. Anyone in touch with historical reality knows that – but not ‘market’ morons using Covid for their own nefarious ends.
Is it perfect? No. Does it need restructuring? Probably
But you can’t blame ‘it’ for general neoliberal and, specifically, Tory vileness.
Oh FFS change the record.
When the repetitive needle-stuck-in-the groove simple-minded knee-jerkery gets taken off the gramophone.
Sorry you can’t sustain an argument.
The NHS was envisaged to increase efficiency
How deluded is that
With the level of medical knowledge at the time of its inception (1947) not at all deluded. But continuing with the delusion as medical and pharmaceutical advances kept people alive much longer and saw them die from much more complex conditions without changing the fundamental structure of our health care system is more than deluded. It’s complacent, the sort of complacency seen in the state sector where the employees jobs are more important than providing the service to their ‘customers’. And the complacency is reinforced by taxpayers money being hosed at the bureaucratic monopoly every time they cry wolf (“we’re overwhelmed”) without any attempts to become efficient.
Absolute tosh.
Why do you haters wish to condemn ordinary British people to a 2nd world health system in perpetuity.
Why will you not countenance ordinary British people having the 1st world health service that ordinary citizens of Holland , Germany, Austria, Switzerland, Singapore, Japan or Australia have.
The point of a health system is to provide health care not to provide jobs.
The NHS has proven to be a manifestly inferior method of supplying healthcare to the much superior systems employed elsewhere.
The downtick must have come from an NHS manager 🤣
Doubt it – beyond their ability level.
… and superior to others, like that of the US. Wrong diagnosis.
Questions for you:
1) how many CV19 early treatment protocols have been successfully adopted in the UK compared to the same protocols adopted in the US?
2) where can you freely be dispensed with HCLQ/Ivermectin and other CV19 early treatment drugs which have been proved to prevent hospitalisation for infected patients – UK or US?
3) Has the NHS/PHE lobbied the MHRA for approval to administer those drugs mentioned in 2) above?
Maybe the NHS is “superior” to the US in some respects – “free” at the point of delivery for sure but not without cost – extremely difficult to conclude there is a superior service delivery in either ( vast) system but there surely is a massive and deadly difference in very key CV19 treatment areas?
You certainly can blame the management of ‘it’ for actively promoting the sense of entitlement (“Our NHS, “Envy of the world” etc., etc.) and doing sweet FA to reorganise itself to become more effective; consequent on both Labour for weaponising the NHS and the Conservatives being stupid enough to rise to the bait and both parties doubling down on wasting even more money on a structurally dysfunctional organisation.
In its current structure, it’s terrible. Reduce it to local level organisations, ie individual hospitals, without the massive inverted pyramid of management tiers and constant expansion of other tentacles, it could provide the service it is supposed to.
At the moment it is simply a behemoth of managers managing managers, while a few medics attempt to treat patients on the sidelines.
“Reduce it to local level organisations, ie individual hospitals”
That betrays a total lack of grasp of the problems to be solved.
There are some services that need to be at a very local level, but many that cannot function that way, and which require a large organisation to sustain.
I’ve spent much time as a patient in a massive Trust system – fortunately. One salutory feature I’ve noticed, having also been around as a member of the CHC when reorganisation was initially a major topic, is that of patients who’ve been ill-served by smaller, local hospitals that do not have the requisite expertise to deal with their problems. The results of trying to cope are all-too-common.
I agree with the gut of your statement: A health care system not being fit for purpose must not be considered a reason to introduce totalitarian regulations of everyday life of the inhabitants of some country.
OTOH, the NHS is only in the UK and the health care system overload inevitable next month !! argument has be used everywhere else, too.
This is nothing to do with the structure of the NHS per se. That’s a distraction. It’s to do with the political control.
The US, which has a very different system, has suffered parallel attack.
You have to be a bit slow not to see that the prime mover of the shit-show is not the NHS.
They have , but there have been diametrically different CV19 treatment approaches in the US as you very well know….
The NHS is unreformable and that includes breaking it up. The only way I see out of it is for the government to give everybody private health insurance vouchers. Maybe initially it could be mandatory for private sector companies to offer it (many companies already do of course) under the excuse of ‘reducing the burden on the NHS’. That would in turn make reform of the NHS more politically feasible.
No doubt about it, the internal structure of the organisation under the banner of ‘NHS’ is complex and difficult to understand for most people. In the past, I did work for a firm in which I had private sector cover. When I used it I saw a consultant who worked in both an NHS hosp and independently for the other firm, round the corner. Via the NHS route, I would probably have been on the ‘waiting list’ for the same person. Not many normal private firms allow people to split their job with competitors, in effect! But that’s how it is, unfortunately.
and make buying that insurance “salary sacrifice” to make it much more affordable
Nope – many people who will be tempted to do so on very low wages will potentially NOT benefit from SalSac – these are the people who may need the “Insurance” funded treatment more often . We do not need a NHS treatment cost salary sacrifice sticking plaster having the same effect as the Married Women’s reduced NIC contribution sticking plaster…….
Amen.
Where are 300 up ticks when you need them?!
I have had enough of false predictions, I have had enough of the non-sensical rules, I have had enough of our economy being destroyed, I have had enough of the lives of cancer patients and other seriously ill people being ignored and basically condemned to death. I have had enough of preaching politicians who think it is rules for thee but none for me. I have had enough of seeing people suffering mental anguish as a direct result of Government policies, neighbours, friends and family all suffering from anxiety, not anguish of this virus, but from what this Government is doing to their lives. I have had enough, and so have millions of others who are witnessing the self-destruction of our society, our nation and our normal daily lives for a virus where the average age of those dying from it is higher than the average life expectancy, and where the vast majority will suffer only mild to moderate symptoms, or no symptoms at all ! Protect the elderly and vulnerable, and get some perspective – around 3,500 perfectly healthy adults die suddenly each year in England alone for no reason at all. Time to stop hiding and start living… Read more »
Well said indeed.
Double indeed!
You are Spartacas.
I’ve had enough too mate. But unfortunately too many of our fellow citizens haven’t. It’s become a bit like an S&M cult for them. Our sadist elites are dishing out the pain to the masochistic plebs and both seem to be loving it. If that’s how they get their kicks fine, but it would be nice if those of us who don’t want to partake were allowed to leave their sordid party,
The only characteristic of Ferguson (other than to consume oxygen pointlessly) is to delineate a list of barmy ideas that should be rejected in any process of policy formation..
It is amazing that someone who should have had his P45 years ago on grounds of incompetence, is still invited to pollute the airwaves at random with random ramblings.
He is a ‘Gates Mate’,Enough said!
Coming soon…”Nightmare on Queens Gate, Neils Revenge”
Ferguson isn’t an effing epidemiologist. Typical Mail bulshit
Him and Blair have a long history, since the F&M scam. Now Blair is banging on saying segregation passports are inevitable. Pharma shills both of them
Has Ferguson got any children?
If he has, I bet they don’t get jabbed with anything but a placebo.
He seems to have difficulty keeping it in his trousers so who knows
Unbelievable because by any stretch he’s a sinister, ugly fucker.
Yes!
When is someone going to kick the shit out of that weasely little bastard?
Strange isn’t it that ICNARC still aren’t including vaccination status in their patient characteristics for people admitted to intensive care who test positive for covid. Give that we’re repeatedly being told that the so-called vaccines are highly effective in preventing serious illness and death, you’d think they’d want to publish all available data supporting the amazing effectiveness of these wonder “vaccines”. Unless of course if the data doesn’t support this narrative.
https://www.icnarc.org/DataServices/Attachments/Download/e35b4795-df22-ec11-9137-00505601089b
That he refuses to admit defeat is hardly a surprise. He has a long history of failed predictions going back to way before covid, so he clearly doesn’t suffer from anything like honesty, ability to accept criticism or shame in doubling down on utter nonsense. He’s either stark raving mad or some kind of attention seeker or both.
What’s more concerning and I suppose up to a point surprising, or at least puzzling, is that he is still listened to. The answer sadly is likely to be that he is telling people what they want to hear. Now why would the government want to hear doom and gloom from their advisers when they’ve been wrong at every step of the way? It’s almost as if prolonging the “pandemic” served a purpose.
Can’t help but think that he ls a government stooge that they use to ‘roll the turf’ for Plan B afterwards plan C. Or, as Stalin would say, a ‘Useful Idiot’
What is new is the blanket use of ‘doubling down’ on nonsense when it is proved wrong.
Barefaced lying and real misinformation are now standard, seemingly because it has been found that the vast majority don’t listen in any real, active sense – and have the attention span of a goldfish. So the outrageous never gets tested in their brains.
That is why Ferguson is interesting – he is a classic case of how this propaganda operates in the public mind.
Simple example – I have had instances where my simple observation (clearly and easily verifiable) that Covid has produced no exceptional mortality by historical standards is dismissed. On the other hand, the trail of error (equally easily verified) by Ferguson and SAGE is ignored.
Quite so – SARS/MERS/Swine Flu….it is all there. Sheer lunacy that he has been consulted again and again – but, on the plus side, that has served to illustrate beyond contradiction that politicians of ALL shades ( and in all countries, lets not forget his reach) involved in those Ferguson dialogues truly did not and do not understand about which they pontificate whilst ruining the “health” of these islands.
Why is fergusson still walking the streets…… it can’t be long till someone with a grudge bumps into him…..
He “gave evidence” today to the APPG, which is as big a collection of useless pricks as SAGE and any other public health body. It’s another look at me cry from him and his useless cabal of communist fuckwits. Ignore.
Really should have gone with this image, instead – far more apposite:
The reason for the declines is greater immunity due to prior infection and vaccination.
I don’t think so. I think the decline is entirely due to immunity from prior infection.
The evidence from heavily vaccinated countries around the world suggests that the vaccines have at best temporarily postponed people becoming infected with the wild virus and at worst caused sudden waves of new infections, and done very little to bring lasting immunity.
The hard fact is that the curve of mortality in the period since the initiation of jabbing shows no benefit in comparison with the 2020 similar period. Quite the reverse.
This is just overall simple observation – but a key one.
I would actually have expected more decline, given the lesser virulence of the ‘delta’ variant – without a ‘vaccine’.
Again – simple observation (no, I’m not claiming statistical verification) suggests no obvious decline in infection and disease severity amongst the vaccinated.
I don’t think you have understood, with respect, the operation of these jabs to induce an immunological response to trillions of Alpha variant S1 spike proteins which the jab causes your body to produce ( ref Dr M K ); isolating the response to just one antigen when there are many others that can result in SARS COV2 mutations – viz Delta – is to this non scientist absolute madness; the inevitable result is ..infection and the onset of ADE this winter. But it won’t be called that as we all know. Jabs reduce/suppress natural immunity as I understand it – ref. Yeadon and a host of others – at a cost when the inevitable endemic variants strike, especially when incidence due to seasonality ramps up.
I rather suspect that this is what Dr Y meant when he said this winter in the UK might become “terrifying”.
Ferguson is the epitome of a Fencepost Tortoise.
Who voted for Neil Ferguson?
no one ?
so what’s with all the “we” business.
has anyone else written to the honours people to ask why his OBE has not been removed following his lockdown breach ?
“Who voted for Neil Ferguson?”
Not a relevant question – which is :”Who voted for the venal incompetents who use his duff analyses”?
Every time I see Ferguson pop up and make another apocalyptic prediction, I think “what are you still here?” How is it possible to be so catastrophically wrong not just about COVID but about every other epidemic that preceded it, yet still get paid to keep getting it spectacularly wrong? Ferguson and the buffoons who still give him credence and air time are the perfect manifestation of Einstein’s theory of insanity being doing the same thing over and over again and expecting a different outcome.
He’s listened to because his audience are even more stupid than him
he turns up about every three weeks on the BBC Today programme. I’m surprised no one has pointed out that the Today racing tips are more reliable than Ferguson.
One thing to remember is that only about 10% of admissions with coronavirus are for coronavirus symptoms.
The way the figures are produced is deliberately misleading
Gates has obviously chucked a few more quid in his meter to get the evil POS moving again.
a reading of the midnight tea leaves foretells the trial of said Ferguson for Crimes Against Humanity.
Why is anyone still entertaining this complete fuckwit?