Scottish Businesses to Boycott Vaccine Passport Scheme
The Scottish Government’s vaccine passport scheme hasn’t exactly got off to a flying start. First, there were complaints that the NHS Scotland Covid app does not work and now a number of businesses have vowed to ignore the scheme altogether (for the moment, at least). The Telegraph has the story.
Hours after the rules came into force on Friday morning, the controversial scheme was thrown into disarray when Aberdeen FC abandoned plans to check fans’ vaccination status for Sunday’s fixture against Celtic, blaming “major problems” with a £600,000 app.
Meanwhile, hospitality sector bosses said nightclubs would also ignore rules which required them to check revellers’ status, branding the situation as “farcical”.
The Scottish Government warned the public on Friday morning that proof of vaccination was “now needed” to access nightclubs and large events such as concerts and football matches.
However, in a major reversal, Humza Yousaf, the Scottish Health Secretary, later claimed that nobody should be denied entry this weekend if they failed to show proof of vaccination, and admitted the widespread technical problems may take “days” to fix. …
Ms. Sturgeon announced on Tuesday that businesses would not be punished for failing to enforce rules until October 18th, so that they could test and “build confidence” in the system.
However, new laws came into force at 5am on Friday, and it was expected that the scheme would be operational this weekend on a trial basis.
Aberdeen FC, along with Rangers and Hearts, had originally said fans must prove they had been vaccinated this weekend to gain access to stadiums, despite the enforcement delay. However, Aberdeen said it had scrapped the system for tomorrow’s fixture and that “nobody will be asked to show proof of vaccine”.
The club complained that its ticket office had been inundated with fans worried they would be turned away because they were unable to get the app to work.
Rangers and Hearts also confirmed that nobody would be refused entry to fixtures this weekend. …
Stephen Montgomery, spokesman for the Scottish Hospitality Group, said many nightclubs would scrap plans to use the technology this weekend.
“How can businesses check what people can’t get?” he said. “Clearly the delay in enforcement until the 18th was because this wasn’t ready. This really is farcical.”
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What a surprise, centrally planned nonsense like this always works so so well …
Sadly most of the complaints seem to be about practicality, but any resistance is good resistance.
Shame it didn’t happen over lockdowns, when the stupidity first began.
Any app that relies on 3/4/5g signal when there are 30-40,000 all trying to connect at the same time will ALWAYS fail. Any idiot with the most basic knowledge of Telecoms could tell them that, they have been shown something working on wifi and maybe 4g with 100 mx people trying it at the same time. The governments of the UK are a complete fucking joke as are all of their suppliers for anything covid related
Yes they are a “fucking joke”, but as Mark rightly says the real problem is not technical failure.
Those that can, do. Those that can’t end up working for the public sector.
Bit of a tosser comment there
Oh, you work for the public sector do you? The phrase was originally aimed at teaching, but it seems relevant to broaden it out.
No I don’t.
But if you think paramedics, firefighters, nurses etc all failed at something else and so had nowhere else to turn, then you’re either just trying to be cool on an internet forum or you’re an ignorant fool.
A generalisation can be unfair and incomplete, but still useful.
yeah im not sure whats hes trying to say.Does he not know about choice .There are millions of people working in the public setor and thousands of them choose to be there .There is no superirority in this farce
I didn’t say all public sector were incompetent (given the massive size of the public sector it would be impossible). There are many people at the sharp end who don’t have much option but to work there and are excellent at their jobs, however it is top heavy with underperforming management and information technology staff.
I have (in England), and for charities. There’s undoubtedly a ridiculous level of incompetence, waste and probably corruption going on. I joined because I reasoned that if an employer was going to wring every last bit of usefulness out of me before chucking me on the scrapheap, I’d prefer it wasn’t to make someone else wealthy enough to have a far nicer life than me.
There’s no corruption going on now that the UK Gov has Patels, Javids, Zahawis, Sunaks, Khans and Hussains working within it.
All 100% honest.
He is being factual
Don’t beat yourself up so much.
More accuractely, those who can’t end up in non-frontline administration roles in the public sector.
yes wearing masks at home before going sick with stress ,usually!
Thank you for putting it more succinctly that I did.
I don’t think that the problem with is app and this rollout is of a technical nature. I think it’s a problem of ethics and morality, as well as of human rights.
Does anyone know what the aims are apart from the rather woolly “control Covid”. Since the vaccine doesn’t prevent catching or transmitting the disease, but just mitigates the seriousness of it if it is caught, then why?
A proof of concept, I would have thought: to establish how readily the rank and file will comply with the probable first stage of a broader ‘social credit’ system.
Those around the globe pushing this bleak worldview clearly think that China has a system worth emulating. How obliging of China to start the ball rolling, eh?
And if you tolerate this, etc etc.
Yes the second “China”plan we have decided to follow after exterme suspicion of yes,CHINA for the last 70 years .I tend to avoid suggestions by people i dont like or trust .Obviosly the new way is to copy their eveil shit but condemn then in the press for being evil shits .A bit mixed up id say
Obviously, the aim is to punish the unvaxxed.
And incompetently done, as any vaccinated person will be experiencing the constant ID checks and privacy violation as a form of punishment. The method is to not comply from the very start, then they can’t threaten to take away the “privileges” (what were once your human rights) which the app grants you, hold strong and break the rules from the beginning, many of the vaccinated stand amongst the anti-passport side already, we just need to get the rest of them seeing that the pass has nothing to do with the vaccinations they are so in love with.
fight back, choose ,no guns or torture here as ive said before .The persuasion is benign but the resistance is even more so
Fight back with a feather duster!
For What ??
It is essentially a prototype mechanism for eliminating political dissenters from society. When you cannot spend your money the way you normally would or maybe even lose your income because of this new policy, you essentially become a social outcast, a “class D person”, as you would be called in China’s system. Given your limited resources, you are then less of a danger to the establishment. Instead, some money will be spent on efforts to monitor you (because at some point you will be considered a dangerous, “bad acting” individual) and convert you back to become a servant of the ruling ideology. For example, in China you get frequent visits from police and “reeducators” whose role is to remove whatever “misinformation” you were poisoned with – and make you a model, obedient serf who follows orders and diligently works to enrich those in the upper castes. So the long-term goal is to basically reintroduce a feudal-like system, which the ultrarich believe will also help solve the “ecological” problems that humanity is facing. The goal is to remove money as a freely exchangeable and thus democratic token which is the source of power and capability, and to replace it with a… Read more »
Top comment of the thread. Absolutely spot on.
Couldn’t have expressed it better myself. This is undoubtably the end-game and has been from the very start!
Pipe down ….the rest of us are still trying to get the buses to run on time and fill some pot holes .You read too much
A bit far fetched , do you think Bufoon Jo and his hair bear bunch could execute such a plan without it wobbling off the rails i dont think so Your asking us to believe that somewhere along the way Matt Hancock was involved in a plan of this magnitude
Of course with no resistance !! How many people involved in this plan versus the rest of the world im off to get a calculator
Some of the sheep population are in for a very rude awakening.
having a large, un-experimented-on control group that isn’t dying is rather embarrassing for governments that have been pushing the “we’re all going to die if you don’t do what we say” line for 18 months.
Yes i think of that way ,people are begining to perhaps rely on their own personal experience of Covid and not the one at the cinema.Not much happened to millions and millions and millions and muillions and millions of peoplr did it .Now if those millions of people can just stop for a second and say hang on this is all shit, we could be ok .Howver there are millions or eager morons who love being told what to do,when to do it ,where to go ,sit down ,stand up, wear a mask look like a c–t for no good reason dont go to school ,dont go to work and above all dont think for yourself .This is the real virus !!! Be honest here no one made anybody do anything with threats of violence or torture ar recriminations so there will not be a lot to draw on in the excuse bank when the penny drops or masks just become passe and uncool .
To put it the other way round, many of us will be boycotting businesses that believe their customers need state-sanctioned clearances in order to offer money in exchange for goods or services.
I visited the Cotswolds last week. In Stow on the Wold many shops were insisting on masks and limiting numbers of shoppers inside, whilst most of the shoppers were walking about with masks on permanently. Didn’t stay long and my pounds stayed in my pocket.
Back up the motorway a couple of days later to the relative sanity of Cheshire.
Dont go to Cumbria, sounds even worse
I was there a couple of weeks ago and everything was fine.
It does seem to be getting worse, even locally. A club my wife belongs to is holding an exhibition soon, and the chair (a former pharmacist who insists she knows about these things) has banned visitors from putting their own milk in their hot drinks because of the risk from handling the jug! Serving staff will all be wearing gloves and face shields and cake will be bagged to avoid it picking up viral contamination.
Jesus wept. This farce has been a Godsend for drama queens and Karens, hasn’t it?
Yes it most certainly fucking has and then some”!!!! .Ive had pneumonia in the last three months and my dads just died of an upper respiartory chest infection which was not Covid .Not Covid you see, something far worse .Why aren’t more people more suspicious ???
How many people will not bother to go with that sort of carry-on?
I realise people like us are a minority, but still a reasonably sizeable one – and there seems to be a reasonable number too who hate it all but don’t like to say so because they will be accused of wanting to kill grannies and all the rest of the emotional blackmail crap which the locktivists like to use.
Keep an eye on attendances at major Scottish sporting events after this starts…
It is getting worse. I sat down maskless next to another elderly lady the other day. She told me I should be wearing a mask. I got up and gestured to her she could change seats if she liked. She didn’t budge so I sat down next to her again. There were seats free next to masked persons. It just didn’t make sense
“Cumbria” is a large area, two and a bit counties, so it’s not likely to be all the same. Workington may be quite different from Windermere.
Me too, two weeks in Keswick and Windermere, no mask, no problem. Others can wear one if they want, freedom works both ways, but I pity them.
Cumbria is full of silly old farts like the Cotswolds
After 18 months now of this state mandated nonsense I have mask phobia which means just the sight of people in masks destroys the beauty of a place and any desire to go into a shop where people are wearing them
+1. A very important point. Thanks for making it. Action like this on a mass scale will be noticed.
I started cutting businesses many months ago. These days I try to deal with smaller enterprises who grasp the idea of equitable human relationships.
I travel a fair bit, and used to eat out a lot. Can’t be arsed with the panto of masks and checking in, as it’s an illogical totalitarian non-scientific farce which offends me. That’s probably a fair few hundred pounds that has stayed in my pocket, instead of going to businesses. Stick with “easy” places for road coffees where the staff clearly don’t care too hoots about the “rules”.
Unfortunately it tends to be smaller businesses which still have muzzle demands and the like – the supermarkets largely ignore it all apart from the pointless separate in and out doors, and annoying announcements.
Few will, most won’t. Remember that you are talking about a herd of mindless consumers whose only goal in life and source of self worth so far was consuming services and products. These people will happily comply with the new obligations and maybe even revel in their “elevated status” (over the unvaccinated). There is very little hope for mass opposition.
The way to generate mass opposition is to ensure all those revelling in ther supposed status see it for what it is, a worse life than they had before the jackboot fell, and start to resent every inconvenience it does give them. Every time the app crashes, that makes them les tolerant of it and pushes them to our side, every time they are delayed by extra queues which wouldn’t be there if nobody checked passes they’ll get a bit more riled up. This is how mass opposition is to be generated, make them see that no passes at all is a better situation than being one of the pass holding “elite”. And do everything t make their experience with the passes as paniful as possible.
True but there is a sizeable minority opposition. It will chip away unremittingly against the nonsense in any way possible (there are many ways), withholding money, encouraging others in non-cooperation, gently mocking the compliant (they hate being laughed at).
some fight good man are there more of you ???
Looks behind….. the platoon seems to be hiding somewhere. There are pockets of resistance out in the wilds, but there is a huge majority who don’t get out much and therefore believe every lie the BBC spouts. You can well see how witch burnings happened, there are a fair few who would have willingly stoked a fire under yer great great granny.
Some tosser announced on faceache that 98 percent of those eligible were double spiked. Out of a population of around 400 adults it doesn’t take a maths genius to figure out that means 8 pure bloods. I am seriously concerned that if the GM population starts dropping like flies once winter approaches, it will be highly noticeable in the community, and it could become rather dangerous.
Precisely
“No Significant Difference in Viral Load Between Vaccinated and Unvaccinated, Asymptomatic and Symptomatic Groups Infected with SARS-CoV-2 Delta Variant”
https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.09.28.21264262v1
I have no words for how monumentally fucking ridiculous this policy is.
I think pretty much every intervention they have made, were it properly tested, would show ‘no significant difference’.
Or in some cases a negative difference. Probably most cases actually when all the problems caused are taken into account.
I think “monumentally fucking ridiculous” is a good selection.
The policy is aimed to let the vaccinated infect each other. It makes sense given that the treatment outcomes are (much) better for vaccinated than unvaccinated. Of course, (once again) it is not sold that way because it might backfire if the vaccinated stopped believing that they are invulnerable and started seeing that they are being manipulated again (although now in the opposite direction than a year ago).
The policy has nothing at all to do with health or infection. This isn’t opinion, it’s demonstrable, as you can self-certify as being “unable” to be experimented on, and still get a big green tick on your social credit score app.
The goal is to force people to beg the State for permission when carrying out normal daily activities.
For now, everybody will be allowed to, if they show their papers.
That will change soon enough, if we submit to the process.
There is in logic in specifically letting the vaccinated infect each other, might as well let everyone infect everyone. The vulnerable are vaccinated, that is the key thing and means hospitalisation and deaths will always stay low, so you then want to simply let the disease do as it will in the vaccinated and unvaccinated alike, you’ll either get herd immunity eneough to suppress all future outbreaks, or endemic equilibrium, and you’l see how the virus mutates to become ever milder once normal evolutionary pressures upon it are restored*.
*lockdowns exert a perverse evolutionary pressure as milder disease gets locked away, whilst strains causing worse cases get taken to hospitals and given the perfect place to spread
I read to word number 8 and then thought..”more carpet bombed delusion syndrome”.
Starter for 10: A Vaccine that the manufacturers describe as gene editing therapy is called a …..
and yet this would be described by MSM as antivaxx misinformation and they don’t seem to see how completely unbalanced their reporting is when they say that.
A tiny little vertebra appearing in Scottish business? Is that too much to hope for?
The businesses are just a victim desperately trying to survive, the action lies with each individual patron. Judging by reports from Germany (vaxxports declared a great success there), there is very little hope for opposition. I suspect things might change only when the boosters start becoming mandated. And of course, there will be short breaks from vaxxports when there are fewer infections, to relieve the pressure. But based on California already mandating vaccines in all schools for the NEXT fall season, these restrictions are intended to stay in force forever.
I know a lot of double vaxxed who say they’ve no intention of complying with boosters.
Me for one. It has also persuaded me to pass on the flu vax despite having had it for the last decade.
No point in having the flu vax this year as apparently the flu is not about
We are not Germans
It’s not about philanthropy here, businesses know they have to fight these vaccine passports to survive
That the app “does not work” is simply an act of misdirection. The purpose is to later triumphantly declare that “the initial problems have been fixed and now it’s flawless, so everybody ‘can’ use it” (the actual meaning of ‘can’ being ‘must’). The intent is to divert attention from the obvious fact that nobody NEEDS this app. It was introduced the same way in Germany, IIRC – and it worked on the public who were switched from criticizing the technical quality of the app to praising how good and reliable it has “become”.
BTW it is old salesman’s/conmam’s trick to make and admit a simple mistake, let your mark/victim revel in discovering it, apologize profusely for it, promise compensation etc. Then sell them all the shit you want to sell and rip them off while they are still convinced of how superior and clever they were or (depending on the mark’s character) alternatively wish to make you less ’embarrassed’ about your error.
Exactly.
Absolutely spot on.
This is how tyranny is defeated. WE decide as a society that WE’RE not playing these ridiculous games.
Right!!!! but your the only person on this site that has said so like i said no guns or torture involved in these measures just too many people having watched too many Dystopian future movies .If you dont want it refuse ,protest,argue,and organise This isnt the the fucking twelfth century
The businesses had better hold strong and keep the boycott up even if the app gets “fixed”*. If they all stand together there is nothing Nicola Stasi can do. The more mess they can cause for the Sturgeon regime the less likely Kim Jong Johnson is likely to try “plan B” down here. We must ALL support our Scottish allies in the fight against medically pointless covid ID cards.
*given government competence in IT projects I predict at leas 6 months of work to fix it, and then it to fall back to having all the current implementation bugs after the first update
and people on here shouldn’t be too “clever” about pointing out what is technically wrong with their system and be inadvertently helping them to fix it
Yes vain idiots amongst you. Resist the urge to be clever
How unusual for the SNP to make a mess of things….
Oh wait, it’s actually very typical.
Stupid little ginger imp ha ha ha ha ha ha ha
There’ll be no real resistance in Scotland or England. Once flu season arrives and is diagnosed as Kung flu, again, plan B, which is so obviously actually plan A, will be rolled out and gradually expanded in incremental steps. It will be framed as accept Covid passes or businesses will shut and you’ll be locked down for Christmas again.
They’ll be openly embraced by the large majority who have given up thinking clearly.
Servitude or solitude, that’s your choice.
nailed it
Has anyone else with a fully functioning immune system in Scotland tried to get a refund for a concert that they will no longer be permitted to attend? I have requested refunds for two, one via Ticketmaster & one via Gigs & Tours and been refused for both. They are both going ahead on original date as I would be okay if date had changed.
I have contacted consumer advice to find out what the legal position is about this. For example If you were 19 and had bought a ticket for an event which was for over 18s and the local council changed the venue’s licence to be over 21s only would you be entitled to a refund? If yes then as far as I am concerned this is exactly the same situation, I have purchased a ticket for an event and conditions for entry have now been changed.
Judenpass (1938)
Dompas (1952)
Covidpass (2021)
The only people we know with the “virus” have all been double jabbed. They obviously were able to contract the “virus” and transmit it to their “loved ones”. Hmmm so these are the same people who will have a “passport” for what? Can Nicola explain the logic please. What happens to the millions who have natural immunity? They are the ones not contracting the “virus” nor transmitting. Maybe passports for those with natural immunity might actually make more sense for all those pushing this bullsh..