Decline in Flu Immunity Due to Clampdown on Socialising Has Led to ‘Worst Colds Ever’
Some Brits say they are suffering from their “worst cold ever” as scientists warn that the decline in flu immunity during continued lockdowns could lead to a difficult winter. The Independent has the story.
For Rebecca London, 24, from Bournemouth, a usual cold would mean “a runny nose, sneezing, a bit of a sore throat and feeling a bit rundown”.
“Nothing like this,” she told the BBC, saying she could barely sleep during her illness, which numerous lateral flow tests confirmed was not Covid.
Others have spoken of being “floored” by their colds, some of which lasted for more than a month.
Dr. Philippa Kaye, a GP in London, told the broadcaster: “We’ve actually been seeing a rise in the number of coughs and colds and viral infections.
“We are mixing in a way that we haven’t been mixing over the past 18 months.
“During those first lockdowns, we saw numbers of other [non-Covid] infections fall. We think that that was primarily due to the restrictions on meeting up.”
In more positive news, the World Health Organisation’s latest influenza update suggested that global cases were “at lower levels” than predicted for this time of year, despite fears of mass outbreaks.
However, with winter approaching, the situation could get worse, as Professor Anthony Harnden, the Deputy Chair of the Joint Committee on Vaccination and Immunisation, has warned. He said that low flu immunity “could be potentially a bigger problem this winter than Covid”.
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No.
Anyone saying this is implying that lockdowns etc influence the spread of respiratory diseases – ie that they are effective.
We know from the comparison of different jurisdictions with differing lockdown regimes (the 50 US states for example) that this cannot be true.
There is however another influence on the immune system to which a large proportion of the population has subjected itself this year.
Three guesses.
Does anyone really think that the flu disappeared this last year or so, for the first time in thousands of years?
On the contrary. Anyone saying this is proving that lockdowns are anything but effective. We all know that if you lock yourself in your home for a year, you will not get infected from anyone else. But what this shows is that this practice not only does not eliminate the virus, but allows it to come back even stronger. Germany is the perfect example of this, having very low numbers of deaths (supposedly) throughout 2020 by virtue of its heavy lockdown, only to then shoot past everyone else after ending the lockdown.
Lockdowns merely delay the inevitable, making the disease even worse because people have weakened immune systems. Not only that, but they also encourage the development of possible mutations, as pockets of population develop their own strains. I would mention that we haven’t seen this last effect happen with this virus, and it seems that the variants floating around are purely vaccine induced.
So you misunderstand. This is precisely what we all have predicted, and it is exactly why lockdowns do not work, especially for coronaviruses. It is the number 1 reason why we have never been able to eradicate influenza.
“We all know that if you lock yourself in your home for a year, you will not get infected from anyone else.”
Over the last 18 months elderly people in care homes. for example, have been as sealed off as possible from human contact, but have continued to die of respiratory diseases, just as they have always done.
Direct social contact is almost certainly not the main avenue of transmission for respiratory diseases.
This guy was on the right track:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Edgar_Hope-Simpson#Work_on_influenza
Care home staff are not ‘sealed off’ in fact many have young kids. They shop, socialize and have families.
The residents are those I am talking about.
Many were confined to their rooms. Access was by care home workers decked out in PPE.
The residents continued to die of respiratory diseases as always.
Lockdowns, masks, distancing stop nothing, as can be easily seen by comparing jurisdictions employing different measures to different degrees.
As well as being murdered with the over use of inappropriate drugs
Yes – the initial wave of excess mortality in March/April 2020.
Why the downtick – watch John O’Looney explain his PERSONAL experience of this.
Those staff will have continued carry the virus around. Short of wearing has mat suits nothing was going to stop that.
I have family who work in one, almost all the staff have tested positive at least once.
Aaah the PCR …..
…and your point is?
Fraudulent test not worth anything apart for the government lying cunts
Nevertheless they must be “vaccinated”.
I’m wondering how many of these “worst colds ever” are in the vaccinated. Of course we’ll never know.
If that is so, then…
Why did they not continue to carry the flu virus around?
‘Cos all deaths were classed as covid when in reality it could have been ‘flu or mainly due to other underlying co-morbidities
As we currently know, PPE doesn’t work all that well. So those people in care homes were not at all isolated.
Exactly so. Care homes also had a massive intake of sick people who were cold bloodedly evicted from hospitals in early 2020. Tens of thousands of deaths in care homes soon followed. Most were put down to Covid-19. The lack of basic care, poor or no medical treatment and wholesale euthanasia induced by lethal overdoses of midazolam are never mentioned by government.
“Hope-Simpson’s challenge to the idea of direct spread was first published in 1979 in the Journal of Hygiene, and he published further evidence in support of his case over the next seven years. His key argument was that influenza epidemics are caused by a previous ‘seeding’ of the virus in the community. Symptomless carriers spread the virus around, until seasonal variations in solar radiation reactivate the virus in its human carriers, which allows the virus to emerge among the non-immune. He suggested that the influenza virus is seldom transmitted by the human host because the influenza illness rapidly adopts a persistent non-infectious mode – the ex-patient carries this persistent influenza infection for a year or two before it may be reactivated by seasonal changes.”
The danger of scientific dogmatism – spiked (spiked-online.com)
“The idea that ‘the constitution of the atmosphere’, rather than human interaction, underpins the seasonal reactivations of influenza was unthinkable. It challenged humanity’s capacity and aspiration to control nature.”
Another view.
An Antarctic expedition had been completely isolated for 17 weeks when they developed flu-like illnesses.
As you suggest, it must have been dormant in one or more of them.
“The Invisible Rainbow” by ArthurbFirstenberg adds substance to that theory ‘the constitution of the atmosphere’, as a causation factor on outbreaks of Flu-Like respiratory illness’s. Solar effects stand out. Worth a read.
“As sealed off as possible” does not mean “completely isolated”. Their carers had contact with the outside world on a daily basis. Furthermore, this is a very at risk population even with no virus going around.
It is pretty much fact that viruses do not materialize out of thin air. In order to become infected with one you must come into contact with a carrier, be it human or animal.
Arguing that self isolation doesn’t work is arguing that sterile rooms for immunocompromised patients are a myth.
Lockdowns completely effective against the flu virus but pretty hopeless against the covid virus? You can’t have it both ways. I would say that the fear and stress people have experienced over the last 18 months is enough to compromise anyone’s immune system, before we even get on to the increasingly obvious negative effect of the so-called vaccines. And no, I don’t believe flu went away last year, that’s just ludicrous. Much more likely they were classed as covid cases.
I urge you to read my comment with more care. I didn’t say lockdowns are completely effective, I said locking yourself in your home will ensure you do not get infected from anyone else. Two very different things.
Sorry, my comment wasn’t intended to be in response to yours, but to the Independent article, which starts with “As coronavirus restrictions significantly reduced social contact, common colds and flu were virtually non-existent for more than a year.”
But there is an important question still to be answered about how people are getting covid. I’ve yet to see a single study that proves definitively that person A can give it to person B, and god knows, there’s no shortage of possible subjects!
If by locking yourself in your home you mean 24/7 quarantine I might be inclined to give that some credence although the theory of a seasonally activated flu virus I think far more likely, ergo the Antarctic expedition outbreak; not certain that the climatic and living conditions would mean a virus might “arrive” in Antartica, still be virulent and then infect. Lockdowns were leaky for all but those most at risk of any infection, and even they might still be exposed. Lockdown did not mean isolation for the vast majority who did not rely on food being delivered; such people might get infected but not be at any significant risk of contracting SARS COV2 than seasonal flu, unless compromised by , eg, co-morbidities. FWIW I don’t think flu went away; it has never been eradicated, and because of the fraudulent completion of death certificates – clock John O’Looney for first hand testimony that that existed as well as a similar statement by Dr M.K. – 2020 “Covid deaths” is a very convenient layer of disinformation for HMG/Johnson/SAGE/Ferguson and his ilk; the fact that very few medics have dared to put their heads above the parapet about the death cert scandal… Read more »
This is a genuinely unclear situation, imo.
“We all know that if you lock yourself in your home for a year, you will not get infected from anyone else.“
There is a particularly famous case that raises the question of whether “anyone else” even needs to be involved:
An outbreak of common colds at an Antarctic base after seventeen weeks of complete isolation
On the other hand, I think the usual example used to argue for the effectiveness of lockdowns on flu and other diseases less infectious than covid was the disappearance of common diseases last year in NZ/Aus.
If lockdowns don’t work at all they are pointless self-harm, and if they do work to cut spread, they merely postpone it, as you said.
Locking yourself in your home and lockdowns are two very different things. I don’t get why people think they’re one and the same. And what’s more, I even say what the problem with lockdowns is and why they do not work in the end in my initial comment. It would sure be great if people read comments and understood them properly before responding to them…
“It would sure be great if people read comments and understood them properly before responding to them…”
Well if that’s your concern you’d need to be a little more careful in your own choice of target. My response was addressed directly at what you wrote, and in the first case I quoted it directly, and in the second part I was agreeing with you…
Why on earth anyone would want to take numerous covid tests because you have a runny nose and bit of a cough. Neither are red flag symptoms of covid 19. Is your temperature above 38, is your cough frequent, dry and hacking, do you suddenly find dog food sandwiches delicious or does nothing smell fishy to you. That’s when a test is justified, not for a sniffle.
A test is never justified as it is all made up shite it’s the flu.
For what reason would you ever want or need to take a test? Seriously? Even if you are admitted to hospital with breathing difficulties you are not going to receive any covid specific treatment, so even then what does it matter?
I can’t think of many worse things than jabbing a stick up your nose/back of throat while suffering from a cold. And this will be completely self-inflicted by the Infected.
Lefty rag publishes story that reveals (blindingly obvious) consequences of lefty rags’ propaganda and fear spreading for the last 18 months…
Independent : ‘lefty’? Get a brain, and look at the spread of the MSM (‘lefty’ rags????) and its total commitment across the board to the Covid narrative.
It’s still a lefty rag though lol
Not to anyone with intelligence and a grasp of the political spectrum. The Independent is in the mushy centre of the establishment press, and has gradually moved towards the rightward part of it. I don’t think, for instance, it supported Corbyn.
In your lefty opinion not in mine.
Vernon Colemans latest video on the jabbing of children and the introduction of nasel flu vaccines for children this year, to be applied within days of each other. No testing has been done to examine how the two will interact and the NHS leaflet fails to provide details of potentially life changing side effects.
https://brandnewtube.com/v/nH4sTS
Another PHE/NHS side step around the morality, ethics and medical imperative of “Informed consent”….
Another thing to add to the list of Reasons why Lockdowns are a stupid idea.
And the list of things that were obviously going to happen (as a result of lockdowns)
The problem is that the current epidemic of ‘HH’ (Hysterical Hypochondria) means that it’s very difficult to interpret loose observational reports.
Were the pre-2020 persistent infections colds or SARS? I don’t know. They were, however, at the nasty end of seasonal infections.
The disruptions to the normal priming of the immune system could have on-going effects, however.
Who knows about any of it? I believe that there are around 200 viruses that cause what we would call “a cold” in humans and none of us have ever bothered to find out which it was that got us before now!
They can’t say check and increase your vitamin D levels as that would hurt profits.
Funny how they are calling flu a cold! If anyone dared term covid a cold or flu they were instantly sent to the naughty corner.
If you have flu, you are so unwell you cant tell anyone you have flu
For years people have been saying ‘I’ve got a touch of flu’ when they’ve actually got a bad cold. If you’ve never had flu, you don’t know what it’s really like – as you say, if you really have it, you’re in your bed and can’t tell everyone you meet you’re got it!
A sensible doctor (there are a few) once told me when a lot of people claim to have “flu” they actually have “rhinitis with pyrexia” ie. a cold with a temperature. This could be from any number of viruses.
The old adage – if you’ve got a bad cold, you can get out of bed to pick a ten pound note off the carpet, but you can’t if you have flu.
Not necessarily. Age and fitness are likely to come into flu too.
SB, disagree; in the last 50 + years as an adult (OK, my nomenclature I know) I have had 3 episodes of “flu” – one was probably, in hindsight, a bad cold; one was Bronchitis type and one WAS the flu (winter time) ; bed ridden for more than a fortnight, delirious at times with high temperature, bad nightmares, the whole nine yards. Age and fitness might help you recover, but I do not think it will prevent infection; not a doctor so might be dead wrong.
Lockdowns and masks have little effect on the spread of a virus and cause more harm than good.
An experimental jab disrupting the immune system is likely to also have adverse effects.
Viruses interact with each other and one can dominate another and that is why flu disappeared and had nothing to do with lockdowns, masks or washing hands.
This scientific paper titled “Virus–virus interactions impact the population dynamics of influenza and the common cold” explains all.
https://www.pnas.org/content/116/52/27142
The flu continued in Cambodia in 2020, wheras there were only a few hundred covid cases.
I’m guessing that it was those minefields along the border, which were placed by the Khmer Rouge,
Many people in the Far East still have immunity from SARS and that is why there were fewer cases of Covid.
So, why have ‘cases’ exlploded in 2021?
Good question.
Here in thailand the death rate from the rona was in double figures for all of 2020. At the start of 2021 – sorry cannot remember the date the figures suddenly shot up and continue to rise. strange that was about the time the ‘jabs’ programme started innit?
Is it the lack of contact, or is it that the vaccines have switched off the innate immune systems of their recipients so they can deliver their genetic payloads? Because that would certainly cause people to have worse colds:
https://www.ukcolumn.org/article/stabilising-the-code
Massive uptick in cancers and latent viruses like shingles are everywhere. It’s the equivalent of giving everybody AIDS.
Roll up your sleeves for the booster or you won’t be able to go to work, school or the supermarket!
… and also, if they will not wear an EU beret 🙂
Not worth reading in full more bollox plus we all know there’s no flu now just covi
Y’all are overthinking this, this bs is just meant to convince you to run and get a flu vaccine. The industry’s hope is to train people to get vaccines every year (at least), just like many already have been brainwashed to do in the US.
We have the Dr Jekyll rayc today, it appears.
It’s most odd isn’t it!
I guess that any sniffle, cough, headache or sneeze will be declared a Covid19 varient.
I only very briefly wore a mask, have been in busy pubs frequently whenever they’ve been open. Shopped in person throughout, maskless, didn’t avoid contact with family or friends and have had not as much as a sniffle in 2 years (hayfever aside).
It’s no surprise that lack of contact reduces the immune system.
Reasonably foreseeable… immune systems are like sheep dogs, they need to work! Or muscles, use it or lose it.
I’ve just had an email from the Royal Institution. This year’s Xmas lectures are being delivered by… Penfold himself, aka Jonathan Van Tam. Think I’ll give that a miss.
What’s his subject? ‘Pharmaceuticals as Investment through the Ages’?
Or show up and egg him?
I haven’t had a cold or flu for 20 years – since I started taking 5,000 i.u. of Vitamin D3 every day. All this without the farcical
lockuplockdown.The immune system needs contact with others and plenty of sunshine, not readily available at our latitude. Thus the D3.
Indeed. Apparently Dr Fauci takes high dose D3 everyday too, yet doesn’t seem to recommend this to others. Hmmm.
Clearly pure forgetfulness on his part 🙂
He would prefer you to get the Moderna vaccine in which his outfit the NIAID owns a share of the patent.
Is this the one that predates the “discovery” announcement of SARS COV2 by many months, being a component of the subsequent and uniquely, as far as Moderna is concerned, successful development of a mRNA “vaccine”?
It is interesting that in 2020 the flu also disappeared in Sweden and Belarus where lockdowns, masks, distancing were not implemented and measures were minimal.
Cambodia, on the other hand, recorded only a few hundred covid cases in 2020, but irritatingly continued to report lots of flu.
We have just had colds courtesy of the grandchildren. Lasted five days. Very mild.
Yeah, lots of colds reappearing in London … children probably passing around as you say. Full on colds. Not alien colds though. Inde short of a story.
Donated blood yesterday and despite numerous texts telling me that unless I had a medical exemption that I must wear a mask, I went in maskless, the only one in the venue, (donors and staff.) Just 1 out of the 6 people who were involved in my donation made any comment.
DON’T LET THE BASTARDS GRIND YOU DOWN!!!
Nice work FP. Love it. 🙂
Many thanks, AN.
Truly appreciated.
Yes, very good going. I’ve managed a trip to the GP’s blood nurse and to the dentist both maskless, no one bothered me. The masked up blood nurse was very chatty and I doubt that she sees many bare faces these days.
Glad to hear.
Took my youngest to A&E with a sprained wrist. Categorically refused to put one on and they then tried to offer a visor which was also given short shrift. Then, almost in retaliation, they attempted to put one on my daughter (8). Denied. Eventually they gave up and let us through! So yes, I’m with you.
Quick question – is true that only the un-jabbed can donate blood?
No.
I’ve been out, I’ve been in, I’ve been a out, I’ve kept my face, I’ve mixed with hundreds of people, I’m as right as a trivet.
Serves the Zombies right if they snivel.
Tell me, he that knows: who is the phantom downvoter who downvotes everything?
Probably Toby Young.
Yes, I’ve been wondering that too.
Little Willy Gates.
Probably the same ‘person’/bot who downvotes everything on OffGuardian as well!
ADE. The common cold will be the death of the injected.
A pandemic of the uninformed.
Well, right on cue, I’m in day two of The Worst Cold Ever ™️. As in bedridden and unable to work, which has never happened with any previous cold. Been wondering whether it’s flu. And I can’t work out as a sceptic whether to buy into the idea that this is an effect of lockdown and ’immunity debt’ – in my case it doesn’t quite fit as I pretty much ignored the restrictions anyway. I do know I’ve had 18 months of believing I’m witnessing the birth of totalitarianism, and that can’t be good for anyone’s health!
The nightmare scenario for any sceptic is to kick the bucket and get tested “positive” for covid, and then have some ungrateful traitorous relative get paid to tell the media that you “regretted it all at the end” and “begged your family to get vaccinated”.
I had what was the worst flu I can remember a couple of weeks ago (at peak, two nights of chest pains and real difficulty breathing, with loss of taste and smell). Some relatives who also came down tested positive for the little C (I’ve had the big C as well), but I maintained my record of never have worn a mask and never having tested, so don’t have a test result to point to.
Anyway, I won’t deny that the stubborn refusal to even consider giving the people I’ve argued with the satisfaction of having me die “of covid” certainly helped keep my motivation up….
Totally with you.. I got ‘it’ in July and am confident in my natural immunity now and confident enough to tell others including employer that there is absolutely no sense in being jabbed for something I’ve already had. I feel very sorry for the poor buggers whose family sells them out to the media. I’ve also stuck to my guns on never having been PCR’d so can’t prove it (nor should I have to) but if push comes to shove I can get an antibody test I suppose to prove I’ve had it. Very reluctant to engage with any aspect of this nonsense!
Sounds like Covid to me. Well done.
Chin up, its not like you’ve been told you have cancer, is it?
I’m not feeling sorry for myself! I work in a school so it’s quite normal to be hit with such things at this time of year. But this one has been unusually severe!
Bless you and good wishes.
They don’t test for flu … great commercial possibilities to come soon.
Shut up and get on with it you whining bastards.
Bullshit
The problem we’re having with ‘worst cold ever’ is nothing to do with lockdowns and everything to do with suppression of the innate immune system by the vaccines.
It is exactly the same mechanism behind the increase in cases of shingles recently.
Well I’m uninjected and have had the worst cold ever ™️, so I don’t quite fit into this narrative!
How effective is !vermect!n +zinc +… against influenza? Anyone know of any research?
Because the US Military don’t thing that flu jabs are any use since when stopping flu infections – which they do badly – they open you up to any other pathogen floating around.
Anyone else notice how BBC’s style of writing has changed over the last couple years, with them trying to be really trendy and cool? It’s like they try to create a ‘drop the mic’ effect with their articles.
Don’t quite know how to describe it, but it really does my tits in.