After Vaccine Passports Were ‘Scrapped’, Government Refuses To Rule Out Passes for Pubs
The Health Secretary says vaccine passport checks could be imposed on pubs if “something happens that means that we have to take further measures” but continues to dodge the question of what exactly “something” means. The Times has the story.
The Government will refuse to set a specific threshold when action is to be taken but ministers are understood to be considering publishing a list of indicators.
Javid said that such measures were being monitored “on a daily basis”, with the NHS and the Joint Biosecurity Centre involved. He told the BBC that “there won’t be any single trigger”. He added: “There are a number of measures we are going to keep under close watch with our friends in the NHS. That of course includes hospitalisations, it includes the pressure on A&E, on the ambulance services, staffing levels.”
Javid refused to rule out compulsory certification for everyday life, alarming many Tory backbenchers who have branded the Government’s plan “a slippery slope towards more restrictions”.
Ministers believe that as a last resort vaccine passports are preferable to lockdown measures and could be a way to keep open hospitality businesses.
Javid told the radio station LBC that he didn’t think the country would need vaccine passports to go to the pub. He added a caveat, however: “Unless… something happens that means that we have to take further measures.”
He said that contingency plans “may well include vaccine passports as a reserve measure”. He cited a new variant that was more infectious or vaccine resistant, saying “in that situation, we have to be ready to take further action”. …
On Tuesday Johnson said that he had “never been in favour of vaccine passports for pubs” but that they might have been a “game changer” last year.
“It’s just not sensible to rule out completely this kind of option now when we must face the fact that it might still make the difference between keeping business open at full capacity or not,” he told a Downing Street press conference.
“If you think a year ago, where we were last September, can you imagine if we’d had then . . . if we’d had Covid certification?
“We would have been able, with that tool, to keep open businesses that had been forced to close and were going through an absolutely wretched time. They would’ve been a game changer, a lifesaver, last year. So I think they’re an important part of our repertoire.”
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I posted below about getting my two jabs 4 months ago (but not about NHS Vaccine Central Central still urging me to do so a full month later) in case it became a requirement for being a hospital patient/transport user which I knew I would be doing a great deal of. I duly downloaded my Covid Pass from NHS app (not the same as Covid app). But it has to be renewed each month (quite easily) so come 27th September my pass confirming that I have had both jabs will be invalid until I renew it. I presume that this is in case I decline a booster jab, or whatever else comes next. I can go to the pub, supermarket, cinema or church as a compliant vaxxee today but not tomorrow. How very clever of them. I am fully aware of the medical uselessness of the ‘vaccines’; as I pointed out during a rare lunchtime coffee with an old friend last week, if vaccines are effective how come there have been so many more Cases* this year than last when nobody was vaccinated? I knew him to be mildly sceptic and he nodded in agreement before the conversation moved on.… Read more »
No way? Really? So it’s true that the definition of “fully vaccinated” will keep shifting?
It’s a common feature of any authentication software that the ‘token’ you are issued will expire at some time. Your app would fetch another token once the current one expires, wether it will give you a valid one back is another question entirely.
Seems that way.
My advice to everyone is to ignore all of the comings and goings of government announcements on coronavirus policy. The constant changes are clearly a psychological tactic (the government machine is full of behavioural psychologists after all) to demoralise us all, to wear us down until we submit.
Just ignore it. Set your mind and heart on resisting any measures which they do introduce, and on not complying with them. Focus on this with steely determination.
Nothing the government announces is worth reading in full. Ignore it. Ignore them.
Yup, I’ve stopped expending energy trying to predict the future or read the tea leaves. Just trying to live well.
And of course, this latest bit of mixed messaging is cockup, not conspiracy 🙂
I’m perfectly willing to accept that some of the implementation is being cocked up due to incompetence, but the underlying agenda is very clear and consistent in every Western country.
Actually – reading the runes has been piss-easy, and if we get through Christmas and New Year unscathed by Covid idiocy, it’ll be the first time I’ve been wrong as a Mystic Mog.
Well, I thought “Freedom day” was going to be postponed again, but it wasn’t. It’s a safe bet track and trace and the vaxx rollout will continue, and the testing. Pretty safe bet that international travel restrictions will continue in some form. Indefinitely. Beyond that, I really don’t know and I am not sure I want to think about it much any more. These bastards don’t deserve the space in my head required.
agreed
The government would make the shittest Robocop ever..
You have 20 seconds to comply
You have 2 weeks to comply
Okay now we’re not even going to tell you how long you’ve got to comply
Hear, hear!
Super good advice!
What is the point of vaccinating most of the population if we have less freedom`s than this time last year..
At this rate many of us will be like illegal migrants in our own country. Disgrace to happen under a so called Conservative administration. Build back better, my ar…
However, unlike illegal migrants we will have to fund everything ourselves.
The point of vaccinating everyone is exactly to have ever less freedoms.
Each and every year henceforth.
Fewer freedoms, less freedom, and fewer people!
Unless something happens. Like the dictatorship decides on it.
Government says ‘if something happens, we’ll do something.’
‘Something’ is one of the tools, in the tool box, but will only be used if ‘something’ happens.
Nice to have such clarity, isn’t it?!
My 88yr old father was living with us November to April.
He summed and arghed over getting jabbed – even as a sceptic, I insisted that it was a choice only he could make. In late-January, he duly took a jab, and after 24hrs was fine.
For his second jab, I did suggest that because he was so fit and healthy for his age, one jab was probably enough to guarantee that he didn’t expire with it.
Nevertheless, in late-April, he went and had it…….and boy did he regret it. For more than eight weeks, he was lost in a hazy world of headaches, fatigue and inability to think clearly. He then began passing blood in his urine. He was cleared of kidney, bladder and prostate issues……..the GP said it was probably jab-related excretion of blood-clots.
He ain’t touching the third – or any other – jab with a barge-pole; saying, he felt so bad in May and June that he wanted to die anyway.
I expect there are many such untold stories like this.
My elderly parents had both the jabs without incident and I expect they’ll take the 3rd (and 4th, 5th, 6th!!!) without question.
if it remains not mandatory we can count numbers of 1st, 2nd ,booster_1, booster_n
numbers could be expected to fall be people’s own experience and experiences of others
Ah, maybe the third, unlikely the fourth, and definitely not the 5th.
This problem can be solved by shoving the entire government up Kim Jong Johnson’s great fat fraudulent communist arse.
This includes Sajid Javid as well.
What utter shite.
‘Communist’ – nah. Spoiled Bullingdon Tory boy. Always was. Still is. Wake up!
I think they inhabit that space already….
Let’s face facts. The Nazi’s don’t want the Unter Mensch drinking in pubs and eating in restaurants.
They are going to do this at some point in the not so distant future when they think they can get away with it.
Heir Hitler played the long game. Team Davos is going to do the same.
The Health Secretary says vaccine passport checks could be imposed on pubs if “something happens that means that we have to take further measures”
the something that happens will be the government will make a decision to continue with their agenda and ‘take further measure’ – whilst blaming it on the unvaxxed
‘cases’ following ‘predictions’ – lol!
https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/
That’s Numberwang!
Ministers believe that as a last resort vaccine passports are preferable to lockdown…
yes, very clever – sell passports with ‘well it was that or lockdown’
And not at all predictable, of course.Now why does it sound familiar? Ah yes, last year it was ‘second lockdown or we will ‘have’ to cancel Christmas’. Then they cancelled Christmas anyway.
If the government gives an either/or scenario and both options are shit, you can be fairly confident that they will implement both when it comes to it.
False dichotomy, one of their favorite tricks, right after blaming the victim. “Do you want me to punch you in the face or would you rather prefer to be kicked in the groin?”
Like last year when they created the ‘if you want us to open the schools we will have to close/severely restrict the pubs again’ argument.
It’s why they opened the pubs up first.
well and truly out of ideas.
Javid told the radio station LBC that he didn’t think the country would need vaccine passports to go to the pub
Did he say this with a straight face?
Which means the passports are definitely on the way.
Simple rule of thumb – if it comes from an official invert their message and you arrive at what they are really saying.
First you hit someone in the face then explain to them how much wearing a helmet could have helped them to avoid injury. And recommend that from now on they never leave without the helmet or else you might punch them harder again.
“Ministers believe that as a last resort vaccine passports are preferable to lockdown measures”
both are impossible in a free society. But we no longer live in a free society (and not sure we ever did)
Vaccine passports will eradicate any resemblance of a free society. It’s hard to explain here but the final nail in the coffin is the CBDC (Central Bank Digital Currency). More and more convinced that the desperacy to get everyone jabbed is for this. Imagine a central bank that currently prints money by issuing debt – that debt is backed by the “full faith and credit” of the sovereign state (taxes etc). CBs want to bypass this and make not the sovereign the collateral backing the money, but rather the individual, their data and their assets directly. Digital Passports are essential for this
I didn’t get a vax, got mild covid, now I’m still not getting a vax
If they hadn’t pushed so hard I may have considered it at some point (after testing)
Now its a point of principle
Of course it’s anecdotal, but I’ve increasingly been hearing a lot of this sort of thing – the unvaxxed only getting it mildly, but the vaxxed getting it badly. In the past week I’ve come across four people who have had it recently. Three double-spiked, and one has refused the vaccine. Of those four, three were ill in bed for several days, and one just felt a bit crap. No prizes for guessing which of the four was the unvaxxed one…
the 30 somethings I work with all got it badly (ie a week in bed, sense of smell hasnt come back). all vaxxed
I’m 51 and unvaxxed. 2 days sore throat, lost sense of smell for a week
maybe they are just snowflakes
Maybe the “vaccines” are working exactly as intended.
Spot on. I always said to myself I would wait until the Autumn/Winter to see how things panned out as the data was clear that 1) there was very little chance of actually catching COVID during the spring/summer months and 2) it was already quite apparent that the effects of the vaccine (if any) would not last forever and so it would surely be better to wait until around this time of year to have it anyway (to ensure max “protection” over the winter months – I mean who takes a flu jab in the summer, right?).
But now with all this pushing, lying and coercion I am very much in the camp of “F U” out of principle. That and I still believe its not really necessary and wont provide much of a benefit. I know, as many of you here do as well, lots of double jabbed who have come down with COVID symptoms this summer. They cant fathom why they are getting ill in such numbers having never had a respiratory illness over the summer months before.
I wonder if ‘covid deaths’ will jump up just after boosters roll out – purely coincidental – and will be the something that happens which pushes the government to plan B and
mission accomplishedpassportsIn Israel, you are designated as unvaccinated up to 14 days after the booster jab. If we adopt the same standard we’ll see many ‘unvaccinated’ dying this winter. The Daily Mail will love running with those stories.
Really handy classification that as it will hide any deaths from immediate adverse reaction. That will be a coincidence though, obviously…
As far as I know they already do that here
This is distinct possibility. That and post first dose outbreaks amongst the kids.
or a new variant will emerge as a result of the booster shot
Government says ‘if something happens we’ll do something.’
They know ‘something’s going to happen.’
ADE is what’s going to happen and it will provide the perfect cover for their murderous plans.
IMO the evidence for increased risk of infection in the double-vaccinated seen in the most recent vaccine surveillance reports suggests that enhancement of disease is already occurring. The question is only how long it will take before this is reflected in hospitalisations/deaths (I’d say it’ll take a couple of months from here).
The latest vaccine surveillance report now suggests that the vaccinated aged 40-80 are about 40% more likely to catch covid. This is up from about 30% more likely in last week’s report.
Note that the relationship between ‘relative likelihood of infection’ and case numbers is an exponential function, not a linear function; if the vaccinated are 40% more likely to catch covid and pass it on, then if the whole population was vaccinated you’d expect about 5x the case numbers compared with if no-one was vaccinated (all other things being equal).
Of course, we might have more hospitalisations/deaths if no-one was vaccinated — but the majority of hospitalisations/deaths are in the vulnerable — there will be a ‘sweet spot’ of vaccination level where hospitalisations/deaths would be suppressed but the case numbers weren’t significantly higher… but we’ve almost certainly vaccinated way beyond that point now.
Anyway, the most-recent data now suggests that if they want to control covid they should restrict the movements of the vaccinated, not the unvaccinated.
we must face the fact that it might still make the difference between keeping business open at full capacity or not,
If you think a year ago, where we were last September, can you imagine if we’d had then . . . if we’d had Covid certification?
“We would have been able, with that tool, to keep open businesses that had been forced to close and were going through an absolutely wretched time. They would’ve been a game changer, a lifesaver, last year. So I think they’re an important part of our repertoire.”
here’s my prediction, Gates’ vaccine passports, that everyone in government claims to not want – will be mandatory for everything except food by Christmas
as Javid said ‘its a fact…’ we wouldn’t have needed to lockdown if we had vax passports last year… its a proven scientific fact
Buffoons. How could we have had vaccine passports last year when there were no vaccines??? (Of course there still aren’t real vaccines).
It’s almost like they are trying everything possible to destroy an already fragile sector.
We’ve been trying to buy a freehold pub for the last 3 years. Finding one that is in anyway profitable is hard, finding a bank to lend even 40% of the price is almost impossible.
Government loans, furlough etc meant barely any came to the market in 2020. Since July this year a few have trickled on at reduced prices, along with a lot of nightclubs and wedding venues. If another Christmas is taken from them now the safety nets have gone I think we’ll be seeing a lot more for sale. And unless the banks start lending that’s exact where a lot of them will stay.
Taking on a pub (or any other hospitality business) at the moment would be a brave decision! Given the likelihood of repeated kickings from the government jackboot over this winter and quite probably beyond.
we should push for a ‘previous evidence of covid infection pass’ which allows you to access all of society’s amenities
you can self-certify a previous infection
proof will not be via a paper or app based certification but will be an oral declaration
to prevent people knowing your medical history access will be granted as follows
‘would you like to come in’
‘yes please’
That just encourages them. What we should be pushing for is no certification under any circumstances.
i doubt they are reading my shitpostings – it was just a joke 🙂
That is still complying. To get us to agree with Digital IDs they don’t care if we comply with Vaccine Passports, or pretend to, it achieves the same end.
Off topic but:
“The real flu season in the hospital was always more serious than COVID has been,” Snider said. “Flu season in a hospital is very challenging, and even the tamest flu season in years past was still worse than COVID has been so far. The people who have been suffering and sadly dying are clearly people who are hundreds of pounds overweight, and people with multiple other comorbidities like stage 4 cancer. I’m not a Doctor, but the response and panic to this virus is clearly wildly disproportionate to reality.”
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2021/09/new-missouri-covid-whistleblower-hospitals-lying-public-covid-can-prove/
Microsoft announced today that they want to make entering passwords history – because they are so hard to remember.
Instead they will gladly accept your biometric data (unlike a password, once stolen, you are fucked for life), or a special one-time token issued through their Authenticator mobile app.
The main innovation is (as with the whole Software as a Service concept) that neither you – nor the software you own – are the one who decides whether or not you can log in – rather, it’s Microsoft. These schemes will also be supported by hardware chips known as Trusted Computing Platform, built in all new motherboards, and without which Windows 11 will presumably not work.
Just to add another piece to the bigger trend of “from now on, we control your permissions, not you”.
Trusted Platform Module (TPM) – they’ve been around for years and are used by various security processes. Microsoft’s hard drive encryption system has used them for a long time, going back several versions of Windows.
With SaaS you don’t own the software – that is the point – you are merely paying a monthly fee and if Microsoft (or whoever the supplier is) does something which fucks up your processes, that’s just tough shit. Unfortunately the dominant software players are pushing everyone in this direction though. And the whole ‘working from home’ thing over the past 18 months has been a massive boon to them in being able to push this change much harder.
Yep, the point of TPM is to allow a sort of digital rights management which cannot be circumvented by software or end user. One example is allowing you to open a file in an encrypted format with only a particular software that comes from Microsoft (or another so-called “trusted vendor”) and which has not been altered in any way. Basically, your computer/software on it is no longer yours, it’s just a “platform” for executing someone else’s code, subject to their rules and permissions, subject to change at their whim. Kind of like a computer in a public library, except that you bought it and “own” it (but only theoretically, as you can see – what you really “own” is a temporary use permission controlled by a third party – technically very similar to the time-limited vaxx passport). And correct, SaaS is the less covert version of the very same concept – becoming entirely dependent on a big external vendor, who can cut your access or give you the boot any time they please (e.g. see what happened to the Parler social media platform). The horrifying thing is that it is not only done to end users, it is sold to… Read more »
“Basically, your computer/software on it is no longer yours …”
This has been emerging for a long time. Some implementations are just inconvenient, but others are legalized fraud. I bought a complete !:50000 OS map package a few years ago, with the possibility of buying in other scales of map on request . Completely satisfactory, and much used.
However, now they have a new subscription system (sold on the basis of totally unnecessary constant ‘updating’). The original facility has consequently been downgraded in terms of access – as if someone had come along and binned you paid-for paper maps.
In my experience this sort of scam is used more and more to undermine ‘ownership’ with a constant revenue flow. It’s a form of ‘ransom ware’, quite different from paying for updates.
The businesses weren’t forced to close because of the virus – they were forced to close because of government policy. Not the same thing at all. What would have happened if they’d been allowed to stay open, in terms of infection numbers? probably pretty much what happened with them closed – as proven by stats from around the world showing a complete lack of correlation between government bullying measures and case numbers.
And the same of course applies to the Vaxxports. They know perfectly well that the spiked can still spread it, but hospitality venuies are not a major source of transmission anyway, so imposing restrictions on them will make no difference – other than possibly pushing a few more into banruptcy.
He said that contingency plans “may well include vaccine passports as a reserve measure”. He cited a new variant that was more infectious or vaccine resistant, saying “in that situation, we have to be ready to take further action”. …
Yes, vaccine passports make perfect sense as a measure against a vaccine resistant variant!
If SAGE or PHE says it will happen, then it’s done. The government, in the loosest sense of the word, simply implements the health body directive. Our politicians and PM are so shit that I don’t think for one minute they have the mental capacity and intelligence to do this independently. They’re being led, whether they like it or not
I know that Tory boys (and they’re mainly boys) are not of the brightest – by definition. But I can’t believe that they are just unwitting victims.
I honestly believe they’re so inept, they can be led anywhere, especially when the intellect of those leading them is infinitely higher, despite their shit reasoning and motives with SAGE and PHE
More coercive controlling psych ops. Stay resolute, stay strong, stay unvaccinated!!!
SO, initially I brushed this off given I don’t follow any celebrities nor what they say on platforms such as twitter and instagram. But has anyone realized what repercussions this whole Nikki Minaj thing is going to have? She has 157M followers. I was just shown a live recording from her describing the situation in Trinidad
Pants firmly ablaze there, Sajid…how very Gove of you.