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Hugh
Hugh
4 years ago

“Cancer victim died after series of virtual appointments missed tumour”.

There was a SAGE estimate last July, wasn’t there, that 75,000 would die because of lockdowns in the UK alone. Sadly, I suspect this may turn out to be a bit of an underestimate. And still no proof that lockdowns have saved lives from Covid (see for example Belarus) let alone the 75,000 plus lives that they would have to save to be a net benefit .In terms of saving lives) after all the deaths they cost from other causes are taken into account.

Annie
4 years ago
Reply to  Hugh

You mean SAGE expected the lockdown corpse count to be more than half the covvicorpse count? And it didn’t worry them?
Oh, why am I still surprised by this sort of thing?

TreeHugger
4 years ago
Reply to  Hugh

Even if lives saved equalled lives lost; how many covid deaths would have been people in their 20s. They may have saved 75,000 elderly and seriously ill people and killed 75,000 kids and young adults as a result.

Locally in the early months of lockdown a hospital went to the newspaper to tell parents not to avoid taking their children to hospital. This was after 2 young kids died of routine illness (one was appendicitis) after parents tried to avoid going to hospital, even though they knew their child was in need of treatment.

TheTartanEagle
TheTartanEagle
4 years ago
Reply to  TreeHugger

There was a horrific case reported of a young child who turned out to have appenditis, but the parents were fobbed off over telephone conversations over several days. The child eventually expired on the floor, having received no treatment. I can only begin to imagine the suffering of the child, and parents, during this time. Unforgivable. Every scout and guide in the 20th century knew how to spot a possible appendicitis, yet here we are in the 21st century, with amazing medical tools for visualising inside the body, and the NHS will allow a child to die in agony of appendicitis. Unbelievable. Historians of the future will marvel at the cultural and societal environment our government created to allow this shocking state of affairs to come to pass.

Lister of Smeg
Lister of Smeg
4 years ago
Reply to  Hugh

I think the difference between the ‘with COVID’ deaths and those of people either not diagnosed, diagnosed late or not/delayed treatment of other life-threatening ailments is that the latter will happen over a longer period, say 2-5 years, so they can pretend they are overall lower than the ‘with COVID’ deaths, and to blame the government for underfunding the ‘precious’ NHS.

Nikola.Tesla
4 years ago

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RNi7y3HBRz0

The comment section… No one is buying it.

Trabant
4 years ago
Reply to  Nikola.Tesla

Yep. It’s these little things that give me hope.

DS99
4 years ago
Reply to  Nikola.Tesla

I can’t see the comments under that video – I assume they’ve been hidden?

TreeHugger
4 years ago
Reply to  DS99

I’ve just seen them. Scroll down to the BBC logo and below it says comments, click on the number and you get them.

HelenaHancart
HelenaHancart
4 years ago
Reply to  Nikola.Tesla

Go to any of the mainstream news items on YT featuring government covid propaganda, and they’re all heavily downvoted, with comments to match. Even the BBC news items where the “thumbs up” were always suspiciously high, they’re now struggling to maintain power!

Noumenon
4 years ago
Reply to  Nikola.Tesla

They allow comments!?

Hugh
Hugh
4 years ago

“The ruling class has declared war on the non-compliant class”. (Substack, eliminating the control group).

If it’s war they want… In any case, I always thought it was a stupid idea if their strategy is really to try and eliminate the “unvaccinated” control group. I mean, they’ll never get everyone, certainly not in a country like Romania, and probably not in other countries either.

crisisgarden
4 years ago
Reply to  Hugh

But if the aim was simply to create a schism, it’s worked an absolute treat.

Annie
4 years ago
Reply to  Hugh

I don’t think it is their aim, otherwise they’d simply make the jab compulsory for everyone, from the womb up. Yes, that would be a gross breach of human rights, but since they have long ago crushed every other fundamental human right, up to and including the right to a face, why should it worry them?

The truth is they need us. We are Goldstein. ‘The face will always be there to be stamped on. The heretic, the enemy of society, will always be there, so that he can be defeated and humiliated over again. .. The more the Party is powerful, the less it will be tolerant: the weaker the opposition, the tighter the despotism. Goldstein and his heresies will live for ever.’

Holy God, if we heretics didn’t exist, they’d have to invent us.

Sandra Barwick
Sandra Barwick
4 years ago
Reply to  Annie

They will make it compulsory as soon as they can.

crisisgarden
4 years ago

Two sides, each convinced of their own biological superiority. What could possibly go wrong?

Lockdown Sceptic
4 years ago

States Gear Up for Legal Fight Over Vaccine Mandate
https://www.theepochtimes.com/mkt_breakingnews/red-states-brace-to-fight-bidens-vaccine-mandate_3997436.html?utm_source=newsnoe&utm_medium=email2&utm_campaign=breaking-2021-09-14-3&mktids=a2baad9925b8064458fe682d1bc51bce&est=JbPI6d5YuoT95Bz454uTnfPNSKZJnStxmt8v2DL8T6g45IEyrKE5PpP91QEIpKJz8Lgd

Upcoming events anti lockdown roadside events with the Big Yellow Boards to a Grand Stand in the Park

Wednesday 15th September 5.30pm Rebels on Roundabouts
Downshire Way, Bracknell RG12 7AA
near Premier Inn/Bracknell Fire Station

From our friends in Buckinghamshire:

Wednesday 15th September 6pm Marlow Hill, High Wycombe 
Park up at Waitrose car-park
https://maps.app.goo.gl/VBLP9XXEFS3E9SK57

Saturday 18th September 12pm at Chequers meet up point as below
Coombe Hill Car Park
Lodge Hill, Aylesbury HP17 0UR
yellow boards with other banners and maybe a little protest outside BJ mansion

Monday 20th September 5pm Big Yellow Boards roadside event 
Pavement outside (Morrisons The Peel Centre), Skimped Hill Ln, Bracknell RG12 1EN

Saturday 2nd October 2pm GRAND STAND IN THE PARK BERKSHIRE
– with a couple of guest speakers and a stroll thought the town centre at the end
Reading River Promenade
Reading RG4 8BX                             

Saturday 16th October 1pm Berks/Bucks/Oxon/Surrey MEGA Yellow Board-Hold the Line type event.  
Stafferton Way Maidenhead SL6 1AY

Stand in the Park Reading River Promenade Reading 
Sundays from 10am 
Telegram https://t.me/standindparkreading

Stand in the Park Bracknell South Hill Park  
Sundays from 10am  
Wednesdays from 2pm
Make friends – keep sane
Telegram http://t.me/astandintheparkbracknell

Phil Shannon
4 years ago

ITEM: “Our Most Reliable Pandemic Number Is Losing Meaning” – A new study suggests that almost half of those hospitalised with Covid have mild or asymptomatic cases, writes David Zweig in the Atlantic” Funny how when, during the year and a half of statistical inflation of the threat posed by Covid was all the rage, that hospitalisations featured heavily as a metric (along wth statistically-padded deaths and hyper-inflated ‘cases’ ) but now that the ‘vaccines’ are supposedly doing their White Knight thing, it is convenient for the establishment media to play down the significance of the hospitalisation metric. Covid bad, Vaccine good! Conflating patients admitted ‘with’ Covid and ‘because of’ Covid served its purpose back then when fear was desired by the Covid panic-peddlers and the lockdown loons. Not so much now – “those patients who are there with rather than from COVID don’t belong in the metric”, ends the article, along with an encomium for the Wonder Jabs.   The study finds that 48% of all hospitalised patients “may have been admitted for another reason entirely, or had only a mild presentation of disease”. Well, blow me down, wasn’t this always likely right from the beginning of the Great Panic. Pity the authorities… Read more »

Annie
4 years ago
Reply to  Phil Shannon

Hi, Phil. You’re right of course. In the same lying vein, they are playing down the corpse count and refusing, as always, to publish statistics on recovery, which would prove beyond all possible doubt that there’s no pandemic.

Be strong, Australian brother! Truth will out in the end, because we will dig it out.

RickH
4 years ago
Reply to  Phil Shannon

We should clearly stick to Farr’s nostrum that anything other than death is an assumption.

I have been dismayed at the complicity of the number of ATL articles here that have gone along with scrappy data about hospitlizations, ‘cases’ and ‘infections’.

It is now well over a year since it was known, irrefutably, that only all-cause mortality figures could give us a reasonably reliable picture.

… and still the duff data keeps getting quoted.

peyrole
peyrole
4 years ago
Reply to  Phil Shannon

Another interesting bit of data in a surprising article to appear in Biden-leaning Atlantic, in the one ( and only) area that ‘vaccines’ can possibly provide any benefit, ie reduction in severity of symptoms, only 12% better than unvaxed. Which just shows that the virus is doing what all do, its getting easier to catch but less of a threat to its host. No wonder they are all desperate to remove the control group as soon as possible.

BJs Brain is Missing
4 years ago

It’s quite apparent now that injecting yourself with one of the Government’s approved covid ‘vaccines’ is tantamount to giving yourself a form of lupus. I quite like my own immune system and I will continue boosting it with vitamins C and D, plus a dash of zinc.

Sandra Barwick
Sandra Barwick
4 years ago

D especially important in the UK now we are in the months when the sun is not strong enough to create it in the sun. Make sure you take a reasonable amount.

Lister of Smeg
Lister of Smeg
4 years ago

As this is the ‘general news’ page and I think the subject is very pertinent to the reporting of the pandemic and other matters of importance at the moment, I thought I would show you a comment from Telegraph (soon to be former) reader Keith Granger in the BTL area of today’s Letters Page. It perfectly sums up how I felt by June of 2020, doing exactly the same then as he has done after 20 years reading the paper online and many before reading my dad’s daily paper copy. I think his comments deserve to be voted best of the day there. It’s likely that the DT mods will, if it gains popularity there (they like removing Likes to stop that) they may delete it as ‘off topic’ (really that it embarrasses and angers them). Here they are (letters are paywalled but BTL reader comments can be accessed): https://www.telegraph.co.uk/opinion/2021/09/14/letters-cabinet-incapable-radical-thinking-needed-help-nhs/ …………………. Keith Grainger 15 Sep 2021 8:40AM “I have posted occasionally on here, but this is my last.This morning I am cancelling my Telegraph subscription.I have been a reader for 27 years.Since Chris Evans became editor, this once great newspaper (e.g MP’s Expenses scandal) has slid down the drain to… Read more »

jingleballix
4 years ago
Reply to  Lister of Smeg

Fully agree – so many gossipy, wet fart or ditzy columns that we could be reading Woman’s Weekly…….

…….and the sports pages are just as bad, so full of themes supporting BLM, women’s sport and gay sports star that it is basically a woke tribute act.

The Daily Telegraph is where the Guardian was 15yrs ago.

I have not paid for a copy for about 3yrs now.

Lister of Smeg
Lister of Smeg
4 years ago
Reply to  jingleballix

I remember when I was in school Sixth Form in the early 90s, and the school library always (for some reason) had copies of The Daily Mail, Guardian and one other (not the Times or Telegraph – it could’ve been the Indie [if it existed back then] or the FT – I can’t remember). Needless to say, aside from the obvious partisan commentary articles and a reasonable portion of the front page, The Guardian’s factual news reporting wasn’t that bad – comparing to current MSM newspapers – including The Times, Telegraph and FT. For me, things at the DT took a downturn once current Editor Chris Evans took over (2013?) and the influence of him and the proprietors became more and more significant. Things accelerated around the time of the 2015 General Election/2016 Referendum/2016 US Presidential Election, and the pace of change has increased rapidly ever since. In my view, very few (experienced, high quality) genuinely conservative journalists and columnists remain working for the paper – many forced out/sidelined and replaced with either naive, woke, leftist and/or compliant younger or activist ‘journalists’, many of whom (and their editors) have very thin skins who don’t like reader criticism, nor do they… Read more »

RickH
4 years ago
Reply to  Lister of Smeg

I’ll push it again, as the best analysis of the decline of journalism in recent history. Really worth reading for a wider perspective :

Flat Earth News by Nick Davies

milesahead
milesahead
4 years ago
Reply to  Lister of Smeg

Blimey, is AmF still posting vile comments? I wonder which DT journalist he/she is?!

I gave up on the DT about 3 years ago – and wrote a similar email to the Editor. I don’t even look at it free online, as I don’t want my clicks (meagre as they are) to contribute towards its stats (which might encourage more sponsorship deals).

Lister of Smeg
Lister of Smeg
4 years ago
Reply to  milesahead

When I left last year, I politely but firmly gave my two proverbial barrels worth when given the opportunity to say why I was unsubbing, not that those in charge were likely to heed anything I wrote. I still view some articles (some are still ok), but I now source most of my news from a wide variety of truly independent outlets – it can be quite tiring looking around to find – because most are small-scale and don’t have the size/reach to report on the full range of issues. I’m more often likely to read reader comments (especially those laying into articles, their author and the DT) than the articles/columns themselves. The likes of AmF & Co being allowed to hand around and troll (in contravention to their own policies) just brings down the tone further. I think many long term readers have stuck with the DT because they value the ‘all-in-one’ service that costs a LOT less than the Times (which in my view is no better anyway). The Mail can sometimes get good ‘scoops’, but its generally too trashy/low brow for me (online version in particular) – no real discussion or debate in the BTL comments areas… Read more »

milesahead
milesahead
4 years ago
Reply to  Lister of Smeg

I was sad to give it up, but much sadder to see its slow-motion self-destruction, as it became the Guardian-lite. I miss the BTL commentators the most, but the trolls made reading the comments an increasingly tiresome experience.

Lister of Smeg
Lister of Smeg
4 years ago
Reply to  milesahead

Completely agree.

Lister of Smeg
Lister of Smeg
4 years ago

I just found a very good article in The Critic from 10th Sept on the ‘Green Energy Scam’ of supposedly heavily reducing installation and running costs of that tech touted by industry sales people, govt officials and naive/corrupt ministers vs the reality of the situation (its nigh on the opposite):

https://thecritic.co.uk/did-the-pm-tell-the-truth-about-net-zero/

That Boris (likely at the behest of his ‘wife’) is trumpeting this now, of all times when we can least afford this and have better things to be concerned about is bad enough; that precious little MPs and most MSM journos understand, care or are actively involved in perpetuating the lies (for money, short term popularity/woke points or power/influence) about the issues involved rather sums up society today.

BTW – kudos to Edwin Pugh from todays’ DT Letters Page BTL comments area who’s post put me on to that article.

Mark
4 years ago

So number 10 was trying the vaccine passport system at the gate when they had a reception for Tory MPs where you had to show your QR codes. But the Tory MPs stood there and said well we’re not coming then and Number 10 folded.”

https://twitter.com/SikhForTruth/status/1437879532539858944

Mass non-compliance was the only way out from the beginning, with masks and lockdowns, and it’s certainly the only way out of “vaccine” apartheid.

Noumenon
4 years ago
Reply to  Mark

Hiding no10 behind a corporate control intermediary (QR surveillance state) is deeply disturbing all of itself.

Sandra Barwick
Sandra Barwick
4 years ago

Businesses warn… I walked through Covent Garden yesterday, sad to see the emptiness and closed businesses. The coffee shop was nearly empty, and staff said they were very worried by the news of coming lockdowns, For What Else Is WFH. I am hearing more reports of law firms being quiet (few mergers and takeovers), of architects struggling (hotel and airline work has ended) and all these have effects on other jobs. Boris’ and Gove’s main aim is to crash the economy completely, and they are doing very well at it.

Noumenon
4 years ago
Reply to  Sandra Barwick

You have to destroy people’s livelihoods if you want to make them dependents.

Rogerborg
4 years ago

“Forcing my prick inside you might harm you, but I’m doing it out of love, and I think you’re old enough to consent to it.”

Branch Covidian, or paedophile?

What’s the different?

jingleballix
4 years ago

Jab kids eh?

Don’t they know that more physically kids committed suicide 2020-21 then died because of C-19.

NonCompliant
4 years ago

The Australian spiral gathers pace. I expect ‘Plan B’ will involve things of a similar ilk.

https://twitter.com/LozzaFox/status/1438061773819715587?s=20

John
4 years ago

I would like to ask people in this group to participate in a small ad hoc survey.
A) In the period from 1st September 2019 to 31st January 2020 did you experience a persistent cough lasting for 7 days or more? If so how long did it last?
B) in the period from 1st September 2019 to 31st January 2020 did you experience any change in your sense of taste or your sense of smell? If so how long did it last?
C) Did you see a GP or attend a walk in centre?
D) which part of the country are you (South East, South West, East Anglia, Midlands, North West, North East, Wales, Scotland, Northern Ireland)?

Hypatia
Hypatia
4 years ago
Reply to  John

Very happy to. For my other half and me we can answer as follows:-

(A) Yes. For him it was early December 2019. Lasted about 2 weeks. For me it was early January 2020. Lasted a week. For both it was a cough of a sort we had never had before, as it was quite severe and nothing calmed it down. It took your breath away. His resurfaced briefly in mid January but was minor…a few days only.

(B) Yes for me, not sure about him. Loss of taste that lasted about 3 days. Came after my worst night of coughing.

(C) No. We both thought it was “something going round”. You don’t go to the doctor for just a cough and a bit of a cold-type thing, do you?

(D) South West. A lot of people had something like this. A colleague ended up in hospital in late 2019 with suspected pleurisy, but it proved not to be that….although they couldn’t say what it was. Another friend had a cough that went of for a month. But then others got nothing at all.

Noumenon
4 years ago
Reply to  John

A) Yes, a cough with a tickly/raw throat unlike any infection I’d had before. Several people I know had it around November 2019 and acquainances a family member knew who attended dancing events remarked that it was moving through those circles. One person was hospitalised with pneumonia. All very odd given that covid was not yet an official thing.

B) I don’t honestly recall now. Possibly.

C) No.

D) Midlands

DickieA
DickieA
4 years ago
Reply to  John

A) Yes – for 6 weeks, late October, early November 2019
B) No.
C0 No
D) Wales / North West border

JohnK
4 years ago
Reply to  John

A). Not quite 7 days – more like 4. Sore throat, high temp, especially overnight, between Dec 27 – 30 2019. Felt a lot better by 1st January, though.
B). Yes, on account of whatever it was.
C) No. It was never normal to report anything like that.
D) South West.

   Whatever it was, I most likely acquired it during one or two Christmas do’s at busy premises, probably having been in one of my favourite pubs for a while. Not good ventilation on cold nights etc. A reasonable guess, given my lifestyle these days. It was well before the panic broke out, but no-one really knows what was around in detail.

davews
4 years ago
Reply to  John

A Yes, around Christmas 2019 and commented on by my sister-in-law. Lasted six weeks or so
B No
C Not specifically about the cough but yes for a skin rash/nettle rash that appeared soon after. GP simply wasn’t interested (and that, Feb 2020, was the last time I saw my GP)
D South East

RickH
4 years ago

The Atlantic article is incredibly naive in making this statement :

“From the start, COVID hospitalizations have served as a vital metric for tracking the risks posed by the disease”

It is hard to conceive of how far behind the curve of reality is this sort of journalism.

Nikola.Tesla
4 years ago

https://doconomy.com/

Carbon credit card. Will limit purchases after a personal allowance is reached.

Ready to be integrated into the new “vaccine passport” social credit carbon allowance system.

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