English Patients Could Get Routine Annual Covid Jabs at Same Time as They Get Flu Vaccinations, Says Nadhim Zahawi
The media focus is currently centred on the booster jabs that will be given this year – starting with the over-50s and care workers – but the Government is already looking to the booster vaccine roll-outs of the future. Vaccines Minister Nadhim Zahawi says that English patients could get routine annual Covid jabs at the same time as they get their flu vaccinations. The Guardian has the story.
Scientists have warned that the NHS is likely to be under significant pressure from other seasonal illnesses as well as Covid infections.
Zahawi said he hoped the booster programme would be the “last piece of the jigsaw” to allow society to continue through the winter without lockdowns.
Speaking to BBC Radio 4’s Today programme he said: “Where possible we will try and co-administer – with one caveat – with flu. GPs and pharmacies, which are the backbone of the vaccination programme, can rapidly vaccinate lots of people.
“This is probably the last piece of the jigsaw to allow us to transition this virus from pandemic to endemic and I hope by next year we will be in a position to deal with this virus with an annual inoculation programme as we do flu.” …
Boris Johnson is on Tuesday to confirm the start of a booster jabs programme for the over-50s, a day after Government scientists finally approved vaccinations for older schoolchildren. [Why finally? Why were they supposed to give the green light?]
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Why not? It’s just more money from the magic money tree after all.
(And yet there are still people who will pretend the big spending, big government, radical collectivist party in government has something to do with conservatism!)
Or Modern Monetary Theory, as some call it.
Didn’t they used to say “ah, but we’re fiscally conservative”. Now they can’t even say that.
So it’s ok now to wear a visor that oozes deadly viruses back, front and sides?
Wahey..
So from now on, double jabberwocks will count as unjabbed, and will be despised, vilified and persecuted by triple jabberwocks. What a laugh.
I hate those dodecajabbed! 😡 They’re so completely antithescience! 😡😡 Why can’t they just get on with it, then they could come to all the bars where the rhombicosidodecajabbed hang out. 😡
Ackchually, yes, it is, in England
It is not in Scotchland, where “face covering” means a covering of any type (other than a face shield) which covers a person’s nose and mouth.
In Wales, I believe (but don’t care enough to check) the regulations make no such distinction, although wales.gov tried to retcon it in after the fact: In the context of the requirements imposed in response to the COVID-19 pandemic a visor or face shield is not a face covering.
How curious that they came to different conclusions. I thought the Science Was Settled?
that “finally” is a tell I think accidentally made it through into copy…..
This jigsaw has a lot of last pieces.
“When I said that was the last piece, I meant it was the last corner piece. The next one I said was the last piece was the last piece of the bottom edge. The next one is definitely the last piece…”
[after the next piece is placed]
“…of that cloud.”
I don’t want this jigsaw for Christmas, Santa. It’s worse than the worlds hardest jigsaw ™️ which only has baked beans for a picture.
“The safety of administering two different “vaccinations” to patients, one of which is novel, and their likely impact on the patients’ immune systems has been closely studied in a wide variety of patients over a period of ten years”, the article went on not to say.
Oh stop it. Safe and Effective + Safe and Effective = Safe Safe and Effective Effective. Please stop being Anti-Thescience.
No doubt at least half a dozen people have had double, simultaneous shots of this filth and the flu jollop, and haven’t dropped dead on the spot. Ergo, it’s all thoroughly tested and as safe as houses.
jollop is a great word from my childhood
Yes I love that word too.
“You need to put some jollop on that” – creosote on a fence, antiseptic on a cut, paint on wall, oil on a squeaky hinge and many others…a very versatile “product”.
“No doubt at least half a dozen people have had double, simultaneous shots of this filth”
That’s no way to describe Mr Zahawi!
I remember saying this at the start of the pandemic – that this is a respiratory disease similar to flu, that it will develop to become another flu strain, and that it will just get incorporated into winter flu jabs for the elderly. I went on to guess that, given that the various flu strains have had a lot more experience at infecting humans, Cov-sars-2 would probably die out like the other SARS variants when strains like H1N1 out-perform them.
Of course, at that time my comments were ignored and deleted, as not in compliance with WHO expert opinion….
Coronaviruses and influenza viruses are about as related as sheep and ducks.
The word you are looking for is COLD. Coronaviruses cause colds. See OC43.
It’s just once a year. Oh, the immunity is not lasting … Twice a year. That’s not a big deal. Actually, it seems that quarterly is the better option…. And is now required to keep your passport valid. Thanks for coming!
Kerching!!!
I wonder how many had buyers remorse and will not take up the option of the booster?
It will be very interesting to see if they join the official ranks of the unvaccinated as a result of their inaction, especially given the dodgy passport.
that visor Zhawi is wearing is genius. I can’t even theoretically think of a situation where aerosol droplets could ‘get around it’ from either his breath to the wider room or vice versa. It is almost perfectly hermetically sealed. I am just surprised NASA didn’t come up with something similar instead of those clearly costly helmets. A man walking on the moon could have that visor, take a deep breath in the landing module and go outside. The visor would keep all the air behind it. Plus, he wouldn’t give the moomins covid
on second thoughts, knowing something about Zahawi, maybe its a spit hood?
I’m sure he’s “following the Science”. The only thing that could possibly improve it, is a tinted window (very dark model), thus hiding the frightening countenance of Ming the Merciless.
I was thinking maybe a snorkel so he can inhale and exhale the clean air at the top of the room. everyone could have snorkels of different heights so they cant possibly breathe the same air
This would work, but a flap of leopard print fabric over the snorkel tube would give extra biosecurity, and anyone who disagrees with me must die of covid now.
if someone entered the room with the same height snorkel (snorkel height + mouth height) then you could add a short plastic length of ‘booster’
Yes, or ultimately combine it with their flu snorkel. What’s everyone complaining about? I’ve had a Yellow Fever snorkel on my face for years!
Like this one?
Covid-secure.
…you forgot to make the electromagnetic spectrum covid secure. Leopard print blocks all forms of covid (visible, physical, theoretical, spherical, empirical, lyrical, oracle, ceefax, and teletext). Please remember that.
Too funny! 🙂
lol!
hahah i found this comment hilarious
Stop being sarcastic – visors WORK ok? Covid travels in straight lines in the direction of the face. Everyone knows that. Please don’t be Anti Thescience.
I don’t know why he’s wearing a visor – he’s sitting down. Everyone knows that when you’re sitting down, the virus can’t get you!
No, no, that only applies if you’re sitting down to eat, preferably a Scotch egg.
Oh god now you’ve brought scotch eggs into this. Recalculating Covid security…………………
Unless you are sitting down in a swimming pool. How anyone emerges from a swimming pool alive is beyond me.
I do every every time. because I’ve got the NHS Sitting Down in a Swimming Pool with a Scotch Egg app. I notice you don’t seem to have it, conspiracy theorist.
even if covid travelled in straight lines like light, they will diffract around the bottom of the visor straight into the nurse’s face. covid-particle duality. they haven’t thought this through
i’ve got a double slit visor for exactly this reason.
lol. when people talk to you they have to stand in the right part of the diffraction pattern.
Yes but I’m extremely careful about ensuring that I’m not observing them standing there though.
lol! double slit covid visor and a blindfold!
Welcome to the New Normal.
lol. and I read somewhere you can get covid from flatulence. so you need 2 snorkels, a double slit visor and a blindfold
yeah, I read somewhere that sewage is being tested for Covid. I guess it is necessary because so many people go there to swim!
I understand from the Goon Show that you can avoid it by walking backwards carrying a gas stove over your head.
Or is that Lurgi?
Oh come on! It’s only two snorkels, a double slit visor and a blindfold. Stop being selfish.
He who smelt it, dealt it though – updated guidance.
Catch it, kill it, bin it, lick it, roll it, flick it. Coronavirus Act 2020.
And a clothes peg!
Don’t give them any more ideas…winter will be dominated by a quantum virus
I had the Schrodinger covid virus. I couldn’t really tell if I had it or not.
If you catch a virus in the woods and no ones there to witness it, do you still get two weeks off work and forcibly ostracised?
Doesn’t Whitty go to the woods to get forcibly ostracised?
Yes. Dirty bugger.
Please, please stop being so fabulously witty. I can’t breathe from laughing and require immediate intubation.
Avoid the intubation!!!! Was on a roll today following a day of abject despair yesterday. The emotional rollercoaster that is the new normal.
You only know you’ve got it if you can observe it. Wait a minute..
You had it and didn’t have it at the same time.
I’ve had Erdinger several times – you definitely know when you have had that.
Just like last winter then.
I wear a goldfish bowl on my head – sellotaped at the bottom to make sure nothing gets in. Trouble is I have to take it off if I want to breathe.
Apologies for pedantry but Covid does not go anywhere, it is not ambulatory, it is legless.
You mean the Clangers, I think. Moomins live in Moominvalley.
shit, you are right. how embarrassing. definitely the clangers.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jNlviFU1A8s
new travel framework to be announced Oct 1. I wonder what that will involve…
No one can travel at all, expect if they have been boostered within the last 8 minutes I should think.
As long as the customers/test subjects are the same who volunteered for flu jabs in the past, I see no problem with that arrangement. But something tells me our friends from big pharma are not going to be happy about the “voluntary” part.
When they round us all up, will they make us ‘catch up’ with however many boosters the morons have had? We could end up being quadrajabbed all in one sitting – imagine the Guillian-Barré!
Why don’t you trust your government public health advisors? Are you a conspiracy theorist?
Why are people critical of Belgium’s health minister? Surely you want someone who has first-hand experience of health problems?
And I used to laugh when Icke mentioned lizards.
Wouldn’t look out of place at Madame Tussaud’s Chamber of Horrors.
Zahawi
Whitty, Vallance, Johnson and Javid
My view …
That’s deeply unfair on plague doctors, they were having to bravely deal with a disease that had a 50% mortality rate.
and at least they were following the science (as known at the time) unlike the current bunch of clowns
Well I won’t be having my Flu jab. No way is anyone injecting experimental drugs into me. Do I look like a laboratory rat? Am I stupid? Do I resemble a Sheep?
How long will it be before the Police come knocking and taking us away to isolation? I give it 18 months tops.
His mouth moved.
Only the other day I was on http://www.befriendacovid.com. Turns out they are pretty intelligent, not the best looking of all the dating sites I’ve been on but I’m not fussy. Ask my wife. Anyway, I digress. Turns out they are super intelligent. I was talking to a tasty bit of Covid and she was telling me how they know when you are in the swimming pool and how they trap you when you get out.
She (well, her name was Sue) went on to tell me how they lurk in restaurants and pubs waiting for people to get up. Sue said it is a bit like sneaking up on people and going “Boo!”
True story. I dealt with covid using my own immune system and Flu-Strength Lem Sip. One week later I was back at work, two weeks later I was running once more. So… thanks for the offer, but I think I will pass on your experimental gene therapy.
I rubbed broken glass in my eyes for covid. Stop being antithescience.
Catching the illness gives you MUCH better immunity. Vaccines are a poor second-best. Stop ignoring the data.
I think my sarcasm has been interpreted incorrectly. I’m on your side 👍
My position should really have been apparent from satirical use of ‘Stop being antithescience.’ and all my other comments on this site today!
Are you an idiot on a full time basis or is just a hobby?
Prosumer level.
I think we can only dream about achieving your level of competency on that topic.
Please do not insult my new best friend. I have been most amused by his or her comments today 😁.
Right on! ✊
I turned off the TV …
Biosecurity Alert: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2oPEnISgg3c&t=39s Don’t say you weren’t warned.
Lol!
Maybe it is because I am perverse but this whole episode has firmed up a decision to have no further jabs of any sort. Information is being published which shows the lack of efficacy of the flu jab.
Being antisocial is my remedy.
Some vaccinations work well. Smallpox, for instance. Just so long as the virus is very susceptible to the vaccine.
Respiratory viruses like flu are BAD candidates for vaccines. They change rapidly, and spread via aerosols that can’t be stopped by vaccines. Flu vaccines sometimes work….
Let them have the bloody boosters. Just leave the rest of us alone. If they keep the police state, masks, passports, restrictions on movement, and sundry head spinnings, it’s nothing like a mere flu jab.
*** Tell them what you think about compulsory vaccination ***
https://www.gov.uk/government/consultations/making-vaccination-a-condition-of-deployment-in-the-health-and-wider-social-care-sector/making-vaccination-a-condition-of-deployment-in-the-health-and-wider-social-care-sector
Our GP practice can’t administer the flu vaccine because it hasn’t arrived – as I discovered when I rang to alter my appointment. The harrassed receptionist said that they were having to make 400 calls to cancel appointments, and wouldn’t be making any further appointments until they had the vaccine physically in the building. How can they be expected to administer simultaneous booster jabs in these circumstances?
I have had the flu jab for the past two years, mainly because the oncology nurses recommended it. That is the lot for me – I have no intention of getting jabbed with anything that may be given at the same time as a booster for something that I have not had yet in the first place. My trust in the Government, pharmaceutical companies and the NHS has gone. At least I know that I will die from cancer – Heaven only knows what would happen to my body were it to be subjected to something that is still in a trial phase of development.
🤗
I’ve had flu jabs in the past, This has put me off ever turning up for another.
Already declined mine.
70 next year and never had the flu or a flu jab in my life.
I’m 69 next year and my last vaccine was for tetanus about 20 yrs ago.
I’d been thinking about flu jabs since I turned 65. But I’m healthy, so I wasn’t convinced. The past 18 months, and Dr. Kendrick’s book ‘Doctoring Data’, which is full of accounts of pharma fakery, have been the last straw.
I’ll tell the surgery not to bother me again if they phone this year about flu jabs. Last winter they phoned to pester me for the first time since I turned 65 (obviously the pharma pressure is on them).
I pre-emptively told them in writing in 2020 that I didn’t want a COVID vac ‘for the time being’.
I apologies in advance, sorry for using the c word.
I really hope that horrible cunt is getting the Pfizer (not the saline stuff). I have 3 children in the 12-15 age group and as you can imagine I’m slightly concerned. I just hope my ranting and raving over the last 18 months hasn’t convinced my children I’m a nut job not to be listened to. Haven’t yet set a time for the vaccine chat. Will wait until we have more info on when, so it’s fresh in their heads.
Have just written a letter to their school which will be emailed and hand delivered. Threatening to withdraw them if Gillick competency is used. I’ve never been more frightened as a parent, even when they’ve been stud on the edge of a cliff (Which it feels like now). Unfortunately they’re bloody minded buggers. Wish me luck.
Ask every teacher and the school ‘nurse’ for their home addresses so you know where to find them. It’s the only language they understand.
Let’s be sensible about this, after all, no one wants the wu-WHO-mu-Jew-flu now, do they?
Latest research out of Japan saying that there are 4 expected amino acid changes to the Delta variant, each one further reducing the vaccine antibodies’ neutralising ability until the four together results in complete ‘escape’.
They number these Delta +1, Delta +2, Delta +3 (where we are now) and Delta +4 when the vaccine will be completely useless. On the plus side when it has no further effect on the virus there will be no more evolutionary pressure to create further variants and we will know what we have to live with.
Delta-265 is radioactive. You don’t want to catch that.
So that is another important piece of research binned in pursuit of universal experimental jabbing.
The piece in question demonstrated that the annual flu jab interferes with the immune system depressing its ability to handle other respiratory viruses, resulting in more rather than less respiratory disease, not ‘influenza’ but a host of other ILIs and coronaviruses.
Will nobody in the mainstream media call these science iconoclasts out on their dangerous behaviour?
Or have they all been bought by Billy Goats?
This ^^^^ I remember reading about this last spring/April/May; there are/were at least three studies showing a significant increase in susceptibility ( by 3-5 times, numbers and/or severity of? ) to infection by coronaviruses after/if vaccinated for flu. Viral interference.