No, Minister, Vaccine Passports Are Not Necessary to End the Pandemic
Vaccines Minister Nadhim Zahawi has insisted to MPs in the Commons that vaccine passports are necessary to end the pandemic. The evidence, however, suggests otherwise.
While the U.K. has seen a spike in reported ‘cases’ in recent days, much of it is driven by the increase in testing as schools have returned. The positive rate, by contrast, shows a gentle decline.
There’s no sign here of vaccine passports being needed to prevent unmanageable spread.
What about elsewhere? Israel is a highly vaccinated country which got in there early with vaccines, so that upwards of 55% of the population has been double vaccinated since early April, and it has made extensive use of vaccine passports.
India, by contrast, is a low vaccination country which only recently broke through 10% double vaccinated.
How are they faring? Israel is currently experiencing a big surge in Delta infections, at a time when over 62% of the population is double vaccinated.
India was the first place to have a Delta wave, back in March and April (the variant, of course, was first identified there). New reported infections entered sharp and sustained decline around May 9th. At that point, fewer than 2.5% of the population were double vaccinated.
Clearly, then, vaccines do not prevent Delta outbreaks, and neither are they necessary to end them.
If you’re wondering about the small recent rise in India, it’s entirely concentrated in two states (on opposite sides of the country), Kerala and Mizoram, which stand out as having had very different reported infection patterns than the rest of the country since late July. As can be seen below, Kerala is now declining again while Mizoram (the other anomalous line) is behaving more erratically. This is not (yet) a new nationwide surge in infections then, though is worth keeping an eye on.
Another country worth looking at is Sweden. Its Delta surge duly appeared, but then, unlike in Israel, quickly seems to be fizzling out. Is this a result of having more robust herd immunity from allowing the virus to spread more freely?
Excess mortality in the country continues to be through the floor, meaning that August 2020 to July 2021 may well turn out to be a year of very ordinary levels of mortality, just as August 2019 to July 2020 did.
If this is the outcome in a country that famously imposed no stay-at-home order, closed no businesses or schools for under-16s, imposed no mask mandate, and has no vaccine passport, then what exactly is everyone afraid of? And what is Nadhim Zahawi on about?
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Same behavior (symptomatic vs asymptomatic) in vaccinated/unvaccinated persons. Same viral load. Same transmission rate. What else?
Israel is the world’s leader in new cases. Coincidence. UK follows.
Surge is identical in both groups, in Israel. No difference at all.
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Please will you tell me where the figures came from?
https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.07.31.21261387v4
https://twitter.com/jburnmurdoch/status/1429878258246504456
IF this graph is true.
re:Asymptomatic and Jabbed graph is frankly scary with the split, raising viral load in over half the cases (lower Ct value)…
But in general the vaccinated seem to have HIGHER amounts of viral load…
Latest PHE data for England up to 29th August.
Delta Cases 1st Feb-29th August
Total Cases 492,528
vaccinated 222,693
unvaccinated 219,716
(unknown, 50,119)
Deaths within 28 days of a positive test,
Total deaths 1,798
vaccinated 1,233 (0.55%)
unvaccinated 536 (0.24%)
(unknown 29)
According to this you are nearly twice as likely to die from the Delta Variant if you are vaccinated. So, no protection and all of the risk!
You have ignored the fact that there are four times as many adults vaccinated as unvaccinated.
Ha ha ha, if that makes you happy. But really I haven’t ignored anything.
The same data (technical briefing 22) also shows that if you are double vaccinated, and have waited for the 14 days to become fully vaccinated, you are four times MORE likely to die with the Delta variant if infected than if you were unvaccinated.
Really, there’s very similar evidence all over the world if you just want to see it?
It is kind of basic to give the infection/hospitalisation/death rates relative to the size of the population. Will Jones understands this.
Please forward your complaint to Public Health England, it’s their data.
It is not the data that are at fault. It is the conclusions you are drawing from them.
Meanwhile mainstream media mostly still seem to be on a scare crusade about how many more unvaccinated people are in hospital, dying etc.
The one thing missing from a lot of statistics is the numbers of people who have had the virus and haven’t been vaccinated – it seems if one had it quite some time ago , there is no easy way to prove immunity. Assumedly, from the latest studies, these are the people who are best protected but it’s undocumented and therefore not included in stats. I would have thought it’s an important piece of the puzzle!
This is a good point and is one reason why the stats seem to make position of those who are unvaccinated and haven’t yet been infected better than it really is. (The other is the very strong correlation between age and vaccination.)
Has there been shown to be any correlation between flu vaccination rate and deaths due to covid? Seems there is some crude correlation to me just looking at these two charts for over 60s
https://www.vaccinestoday.eu/stories/flu-vaccine-did-your-country-hit-its-target/
https://www.oecd-ilibrary.org/sites/85e4b6a1-en/index.html?itemId=/content/component/85e4b6a1-en
Same script being used here in Canada. Even better, our provincial and federal politicians have all been blaming the mighty Delta surge on the unvaxxed mutants like myself.
You guys are so cute still politely questioning these illogical moves being made by your government…like they’re still just panicking and innocently acting on expert scientific advice some 19 months into this mess.
What is he on about???
Vaxxpasses are punishment for those not willing to play along.
Next Monday I’ll be unvaxxed but “allowed” to shop for essentials in a crowded store full of people.
But I’m no longer allowed to workout at my local 20,000sq/ft gym @ 5am alongside 14 other people scattered about.
Punishment plain and simple. And the majority of the vaxxed are all for it!! My country is no more.
Sorry to hear that Eddie – I am also Canadian, but living in England 20+ years.
I was hoping individual province premiers – like Alberta’s Jason Kenny, my home province – might be standing up to heir Trudeau … is that not the case?
Jason Kenney has been an integral part of the persecution of Christian church leaders – such as Pastor Artur Pawlowski of Calgary.
Completely agree. There is absolutely no scientific evidence that supports a vaccine passport reducing the spread of a virus. It’s coercion pure and simple. By the way, I’m in Ontario. It’s not a vax passport here – it is a vaccine certificate, therefore, I’m sure it is different (sarc).
Read the law and look for exemptions.
People seem to be forgetting these apply in almost exactly the same way as face coverings. We are ALL able to exempt our ourselves, not being able to give “informed consent” being the most important issue for many! I’m sure this is a test to see who is paying attention.
You cannot exempt yourself if you want to travel abroad. For this you will need either proof of having been ‘Covid vaccinated’ plus (probably) two PCR tests, or proof that you’ve had ‘Covid and have recovered + a couple of PCR tests – and quarantine for 10 days if you haven’t been ‘vaccinated’ and come from an ‘amber’ country.
If you come from a ‘red’ country you’ll have to stump up £2,400 to be stuck in a shitty ‘hotel’ for 10 days.
People can still give the ‘vaccinations’ a miss – but for how long? Perhaps forever if you can afford it, and are happy never to go abroad ever again.
The PCR testing companies are all run by cowboys. You have to pay and just hope you get a ‘negative’ result. Many just take the money and you never hear from them again:
(Was) run by Labour councillor Faisal Shoukat:
https://uk.trustpilot.com/review/www.rtdiagnostics.co.uk
It’s still going to lead to an extremely confrontational and unpleasant ‘us and them’ situation though – just as happened with muzzles. This is of course the intention.
Yes – impossible to enforce and they absolutely know this. It feels more like part of a campaign to drive a wedge between people and create a tribal atmosphere that gets incredibly ugly, which they can then pretend to resolve with the new economic system that this is all really about.
My favourite uncle, living in Canada most of his life, has been so bombarded by the propaganda over there that he has told my mum (his sister) that he won’t ever see her again because she associates with me (the unvaccinated scum) and he doesn’t want to put his family at risk. I watched the Holocaust documentary – The Last Days – the other evening…horrific in it’s own right of course. However, the way it was allowed to happen, drip by drip, new law by new law, resulting in people not only reporting on and turning in their Jewish friends and neighbours but switching from being lifelong friends to hating and jeering them as they were led to the ghettos, should be seen as a premonition. Perhaps it has already started in my family 🙁
Pandemic? There’s a pandemic? Why have I not noticed this?!
You’ve not been getting enough input from the British Brainwashing Corporation.
How they’ve got the nerve to call it a pandemic when there is nothing of the sort. Apart from a few die-hard nap lovers STILL leaping out of the way in my town, the majority, about 80%, have ditched the face nap, and so have all businesses. There’s no trap and trace or QR codes being used. People are just trying to get back to life. And some new shops and cafes have opened recently. Even the jabbed have had enough – they took their vax in the belief it would protect them!
Remember … the WHO had to alter the dictionary in order to label this a ‘pandemic’ following previous abortive attempts at the strategy for scaring people shitless.
Do we have a link to an MSM article with this point that can be sent to people waking up?
You know what … logic, both statistical and observational, is irrelevant here. International, peer-reviewed data contrary to the UK narrative is inapplicable. Discussion or critique of argument is pointless. Carefully worded rebuttals soaked in science and evidence are unimportant.
It’s not the delusions of a conspiracy theorists when the alleged conspirators make ZERO effort to conceal their subversive agenda.
I am done being rational and being a keyboard warrior.
I absolutely cannot wait until pubs impose vaccination passports as a condition of entry. That’s when the battle begins. That’s when the real fun starts.
The only thing that baffles me these days is how the sheep can go about their myopic, aloof, boiled frog existence with a smile on their faces. Must be some good shit on Netflix these days.
Fuck you, vaccines minster – you really are a 1st class world cunt.
An accurate appraisal on all counts. Vaccine passports are as pointless as face rags. The control freaks know it. You can’t reason with them because they are not reasonable.
But a cunt that size is of no use to anyone; other than a raging bull elephant with an overdose of Viagra. Mow, there’s a thought……………
A Tory MP has apologised and promised to repay part of a £5,822.27 expenses claim for his energy bills after it emerged taxpayers were paying for the electricity supply to his stables. Nadhim Zahawi, a founder of the market research firm YouGov, said he was “mortified” to discover the error, which came to light after he was among politicians criticised over subsidised energy bills. The Stratford-on-Avon MP claimed the most, with a bill totalling £5,822.27 to cover electricity and heating oil for his estate in Warwickshire. In a statement posted on his website, he said: “Since last week’s coverage of my energy bills I have been looking into them further and can confirm that all claims for heating fuel relate purely to my second home. “However I have made a mistake with my electricity claims. “On investigation I have discovered that the electricity supply for a mobile home located in the stable yard and for the stables themselves was linked to my house. “Whilst a meter was installed in the stable yard I have only been receiving one bill, it was wrong to assume I was receiving two and to have not checked this sooner. “I am mortified by this mistake… Read more »
If he does not understand a simple expenses reclaim procedure who on this earth is he capable of understanding the Pandemic/Casedemic/toxic jabs scam?
Maybe he knows “what’s what” and has been caught out on both issues?
“And what is Nadhim Zahawi on about?”
Digital ID
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Full Spectrum Control for NWO
Anyone heard from Lord Sumption lately? He seems to have been silenced. I am sure he could make an eloquent, cogent argument against this nasty nonsense.
Found this:
https://unherd.com/thepost/lord-sumption-changes-his-mind-on-vaccine-passports/
He has a piece in the latest edition of The Light https://thelightpaper.co.uk/
Last time I saw him was a few months ago when he talked about taking the vaccine, he looked really really umcomfortable, squirming as he spoke. I’d say he’s been “got at” and isn’t good at hiding it but then I’m a conspiracy theorist, apparently.
Remember … Sumption is one of those who has been taken in by the ‘vaccine’ PR – although his position on ‘vaccine’ passports has been a bit ambiguous.
Zahawi is evil, like Boris and all the other toadies in the government.
Do not ascribe to stupidity what is better explained by good old human wickedness.
Indeed. He speaks with a forked tongue, like the PM and all of their Cabinet colleagues, and like their mentor, Satan.
Why would anyone believe Zahawi wants to “end the pandemic”? I think the government will be very pleased with the position they are in right now. No reason to do anything rash, much more upside for them in carrying on the current course.
And their salaries and expense claims keep rolling in. Why stop a good income?
FFS, Zahawi doesn’t believe for a minute that ‘vaccine passports are necessary to end the pandemic’. Zahawi is part of the puppet team charged with driving through the biometric ID programme. Why does the Daily Sceptic understand this below the line and not above?
The evidence, however, suggests otherwise.
Evidence has not been a requirement for taking political action for the last 20 years to my certain knowledge.
AFAICS, ALL political activity is now determined by activists and lobbyists. They push single-interest proposals for legislation on issues which are not of interest to most people and would never affect them. The impacts of that legislation, however, affects us greatly.
So we are to have our cars and gas boilers removed because of ‘climate change’, our speech suppressed because of ‘hate crime’, and our energy infrastructure collapsed because of ‘environmentalism’. Much more besides.
The justification for all this is not dispassionate evidence. It is manufactured data, biased ‘surveys’ and cherry-picked commissioned propaganda, which is then amplified by the subjugated press into shrill calls for ‘action’.
Meanwhile, the ‘proper’ operation of government has been trashed. From military and diplomatic disasters abroad, through inability to run transport services (think HGV and HS2), supporting incompetent police and generating phenomenally expensive health fiascoes, the establishment seems to fail in everything it touches.
And all we can do is make plaintive calls for some evidence to justify the mass of corrupt practices being foisted on us?
If I’m to take the jab, then I need informed consent. This means no coercion. Vax passes are coercion, therefore no informed consent, no jab.
i.e. Vax passes mean I cannot get jabbed.
I also cannot be tested for covid. This (together with being unable to get jabbed) means (ironically) that I am exempt from the vax pass.
And you need to know the precise ingredients in the brewed jab, which I cannot locate in UK EUA jabs and which certainly was not disclosed in the US when EUA status was fraudulently and illegally granted; as s o else point out yesterday , it appears the requirement for “no other treatments being available” does not appear to apply to the UK MHRA EUA…I might be wrong.
Indeed… no mention of ‘other treatments availability’ or ’emergency’ requirements in Regulation 174 concerning AZ vaccine authorisation..
https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/regulatory-approval-of-covid-19-vaccine-astrazeneca/conditions-of-authorisation-for-covid-19-vaccine-astrazeneca
Zahawi is yet another scientifically illiterate buffoon, parroting the approved SAGE narrative and ignoring all the empirical evidence to hand. You can almost see Witless and Unbalanced working his strings.
In short he’s a complete waste of space.
You assume that scientific literacy is a matter to be considered in government decisions.
Of course it isn’t – the drivers of the shit-show are nothing to do with scientific method.
“Zahawi is yet another scientifically illiterate buffoon” I very much doubt he is scientifically illiterate enough to not realise vaccine passports are useless from a public health POV. It’s politics.
“You can almost see Witless and Unbalanced working his strings.” Or more likely, the government are working theirs, or they saw which way the wind was blowing. Govts usually fire advisers they don’t like.
The answer to the question of whether Sweden’s more robust herd immunity has prevented a surge is pretty obviously yes. It’s impossible to prove because you can always come up with confounding factors to explain away the non-surge, and of course the UK’s testing frenzy confuses things. However, the current Sweden-ignoring tells its own story.
The plandemic was necessary to introduce vaccine passports.
Nadhim Zahawi is a ruthlessly nasty piece of work. He co-founded and has a holding in YouGov polling company whose surveys blatantly campaign for mandatory vaccines and harsher lockdowns. I sense the surveys predict what he will announce next – he is testing the water.
The latest idea, on yesterdays survey, was that unvaccinated patients be seen last or denied certain treatments, and that medical staff should be entitled to feel resentful towards them. (Questions phrased should they… of course).
This horrifying suggestion was overwhelmingly rejected in the poll, even by YouGov’s selected participants.
My personal response.
I participated in this poll yesterday. When asked at the end if I had anything to add, I simply put: “Zahawi is a monumental c*nt”.
What pandemic? Ah, he means the one enabled by fear induced by the world’s propaganda machinery aka the BBC here. Thus I’m afraid, very, that “vaccine passports” are here to stay as only the first step towards digital control, the necessity of mass vaccination being the excuse. Never was, is not, nor will ever be about a virus. Anyone with even a half functioning brain after 18 months plus of constant wall to wall experts telling us how frightened we should be can surely see :- Sweden v. Israel. Natural and sterilising, superior immunity from infection. The vaccinated being the new breeding ground for variants. The vaccinated continuing to catch and spread it. ADE. Long term effects of the jab – unknown. Not enough of us maybe – but who knows. We have to hold the line and hope more see this for what it really is, helped by enough of the jabbed getting sick that even the MSM etc can’t hide it. I wonder how many kids it will take to be jabbed before the selfish bastard sheep feel “safe”. They’ve got the rest of their lives, however long that may be, ahead of them for God’s sake! “Papers… Read more »
“We have to hold the line” Totally agree – and that means keeping it simple, sticking to the basics, and not being diverted in speculation and just ranting (except as a sometime safety valve). It is the basics that are the killer, even tho’ the brainwashing will mean that many will simply deny the facts : There is no exceptionally dangerous virus around – mortality has been that of a moderate ‘flu year. Thus there was never an ’emergency’ to justify subsequent government actions. Almost all NPIs imposed by government have no basis in prior research or strategy (as contained in local and global strategy documents). Neither are they supported by subsequent data. Infections in the community have – even during seasonal rises – never reached epidemic levels (40 per 10,000) Testing regimes – widely used to justify measures – are inaccurate and not fit for purpose as they fail to distinguish notional ‘cases’ from real infection. ‘Vaccines’ are not what they are called, are experimental, and have not been properly tested by a long chalk – so cannot be declared safe – particularly in light of their novelty. Such short term observational data about ‘vaccines’ as has been gleaned… Read more »
Dear Minister, you are basing your judgment on “positive cases”:
Not exhaustive, but you must think TGBP are as thick as …… to be fooled by your statement – and I don’t believe you believe it either, so why are you lying, and what is your price for fronting this rubbish for Boris?
Yours
A concerned voter ( please note, a “voter”)
Zahawi must be on ‘The Payroll’…
I’m afraid it’s a waste of time trying to find logic in the actions of a clearly wicked and evil administration whose agenda is nothing to do with public health.
In other news:
“Telling People to Jump of a Cliff to their Death Is Not Necessary to End the Pandemic”
No, Minister, Vaccine Passports Are Not Necessary to End the Pandemic
Better Headline:
No, Minister, Nadim Zahawi is not Necessary to End the Pandemic
Just a little reminder how hard our Fascist Tyrants have to work to keep these numbers up and the scamdemic narrative going.
data up to 23rd August..
UK Positive Tests 6,524,581
UK tests undertaken, 263,102,581 (2.48%)
UK Government, deaths recorded ‘with Covid’ 131,680
UK tests undertaken 263,102,581
(0.05%)
This is why they are going full steam ahead with jabbing everyone & mandating it, even at the threat of loss of employment.
Leaked agreement: Buyers of Pfizer’s vaccine commit themselves to breaking the law – Julia Caesar
It is hopeless reporting data on ‘cases’ or ‘infections’, since the relationship with actual disease is so tenuous.
… for all the reasons that we have known for 18 months, ffs!
All we have – STILL – as a useful indicator – is all-cause mortality.
Thus the only instructive bit of analysis is the very last bit (although even that falls into the trap of the fictional term ‘excess mortality’ instead of just reporting the data).
Remember Farr’s nostrum re. all beyond mortality is simply assumption.
It is now a long time since the fallacy about Covid mortality was irrefutably exposed by historical analysis simply adjusted for population (in statistics, maximum simplicity is generally a virtue). The clarity showed that even the April 2020 spike did not alter the basic fact of unexceptional mortality overall.
Why do we still have to suffer the majority of analysis here being based on the massively questionable data of ‘cases’ and ‘infections’? It’s just echoing government even when pretending not to.
Stick to the mortality knitting, and when quoting ‘cases’, make sure it is surrounded by correctives against the fallacies.
The jab doesn’t protect you, but the vaccine passport does.
My brother, who lives in France, believes that his VP will protect him…
He’s no longer speaking to me after I told him of my horror that he approved of apartheid given our upbringing. Dad used to host children from all of Ireland in the 1970s in activity holidays. The surprise that the children had that neither Protestants nor Catholics were the devil personified always saddened him.
It is good news that the share of tests that are positive shows signs of dropping but you have to be careful interpreting that statistic. If the number of tests and the type of people being tested are roughly constant then it is very significant. But if the number of tests is increasing (as it is in the UK), or there is a change in who is being tested, then it can be an illusion.
For example, if the increase in testing is because you have decided to start testing a population that is less susceptible than the population currently being tested (school children perhaps?) then the positivity ratio will drop without anything having changed fundamentally. In fact if all else remains unchanged and you increase the amount of testing then you would normally expect the positivity ratio to drop. People who have symptoms or at risk are always going to be a priority for testing – so additional tests are almost certain to be groups who are less likely to be positive than the average of the population being tested.
Was this statement supposed to have any content? Reported cases in the UK have been increasing. But since the rapid increase in number of tests conducted outpaced so-called case growth, test positivity rate has nosedived, IOW, as I already wrote a couple of days ago, for the time being, we’re back in the bullshit epidemic.
2nd level, so to say, because test positivity rate increased during the last iteration. It stayed firmly below 5%, though.
I think we are in agreement. My point was that you can’t read much into decreasing test positivity rate as it may be entirely down to increased testing and not any fundamental change in the infection rate. I think you are agreeing with this.
By the same token you can’t read much into increasing test positivity rates either. And by extension, you can’t read much into the testing data in general.
Doesn’t follow – test positivity rates are very significant if the rate/type of testing is not changing much and the absolute number of positive results is significant – but you have to allow for the fact that increased testing may increase the number of reported positive results.
Test positivity rates resulting from one gene – as opposed to the original triple gene as the WHO required when it put out the proposal? – segment RT-PCR mass testing of symptomless individuals, amplified at anything above 25, cannot repeat cannot be relied on, given everything I have read. Taking a nano particle of RNA converted to DNA which does not represent the whole sequence of this chimeric computer generated, GoF backbone inserted, furin cleavage sight enhanced bat/rat viruses, amplified does not prove in any way shape or form that a person so tested does have//has had the SARS COV2 virus – and before you respond I remind you that I refer to “symptomless” people. It is ludicrous to append any worth to such tests – even if they are assessed in state of the art labs and not “factory” assessment centres some of which have been exposed as less than secure thus compromising the test results. The absolute number of positive test is significant if CT rates above 25 ( ref Dr Fleming’s presentation) with tests on people who have no symptoms….but they should be disregarded worthless. However, what is the worth of a mass testing regime the individual… Read more »
At this stage I think it reasonable to believe that there may well be 5 million plus passport/gene therapy refuseniks on the lookout for, lets say a non genuine one.
That’s quite a lot of people.
That’s quite a big market for unscrupulous crooks (that aren’t part of the engineered pandemic) to have a go at.
Will be more difficult for them to prosper though when cash goes – but bartering/trading may well make a comeback.
So, to any such crooks/tec whizzkids out there please take note.
Just pointing this out on behalf of a misguided friend.
Do you think that in the future, supply and/or possession of said passport will be a capital offence?
We were told that three weeks lockdown was all that was needed to end the pandemic and save the NHS, then it was six weeks and so on, then we were were told to wear masks not to see relatives and sacrifice Christmas to end the pandemic, then it was the vaccine that would end the pandemic, once the elderly and vulnerable have been jabbed the pandemic would end, then it was the over sixties, then the over fifties, then the over forties and then it was once all the adults were vaccinated that would end the pandemic, then it was the sixteen to eighteen year olds, now its twelve to fifteen year olds, then two jabs were not enough to end the pandemic its going to require a third booster and that will finally see the end to the pandemic …. now its vaccine passports that will finally end the pandemic…
This has been going on for almost two years now and if you are still falling for this nonsense then you deserve everything thats coming to you.