In the War Between Authoritarian Public Health and Science, Science Lost

There’s a terrific piece in the Tablet by John P.A. Ioannidis, Professor of Medicine at Stanford and among a small group of scientists who’ve been willing to publish research that runs counter to the official Covid narrative, about what has gone wrong in the scientific and public health communities in the past 18 months. In essence, the scientific values of scepticism, disinterestedness and transparency have been thrown aside as the pandemic has become politicised, creating an opening for a new breed of ‘experts’ to influence public health policy while at the same time advancing their commercial and political interests. Here is an extract:

The pandemic led seemingly overnight to a scary new form of scientific universalism. Everyone did COVID-19 science or commented on it. By August 2021, 330,000 scientific papers were published on COVID-19, involving roughly a million different authors. An analysis showed that scientists from every single one of the 174 disciplines that comprise what we know as science has published on COVID-19. By the end of 2020, only automobile engineering didn’t have scientists publishing on COVID-19. By early 2021, the automobile engineers had their say, too.

At first sight, this was an unprecedented mobilization of interdisciplinary talent. However, most of this work was of low quality, often wrong, and sometimes highly misleading. Many people without subject-matter technical expertise became experts overnight, emphatically saving the world. As these spurious experts multiplied, evidence-based approaches—like randomized trials and collection of more accurate, unbiased data—were frequently dismissed as inappropriate, too slow, and harmful. The disdain for reliable study designs was even celebrated.

Many amazing scientists have worked on COVID-19. I admire their work. Their contributions have taught us so much. My gratitude extends to the many extremely talented and well-trained young investigators who rejuvenate our aging scientific workforce. However, alongside thousands of solid scientists came freshly minted experts with questionable, irrelevant, or nonexistent credentials and questionable, irrelevant, or nonexistent data.

Social and mainstream media have helped to manufacture this new breed of experts. Anyone who was not an epidemiologist or health policy specialist could suddenly be cited as an epidemiologist or health policy specialist by reporters who often knew little about those fields but knew immediately which opinions were true. Conversely, some of the best epidemiologists and health policy specialists in America were smeared as clueless and dangerous by people who believed themselves fit to summarily arbitrate differences of scientific opinion without understanding the methodology or data at issue.

Disinterestedness suffered gravely. In the past, conflicted entities mostly tried to hide their agendas. During the pandemic, these same conflicted entities were raised to the status of heroes. For example, Big Pharma companies clearly produced useful drugs, vaccines, and other interventions that saved lives, though it was also known that profit was and is their main motive. Big Tobacco was known to kill many millions of people every year and to continuously mislead when promoting its old and new, equally harmful, products. Yet during the pandemic, requesting better evidence on effectiveness and adverse events was often considered anathema. This dismissive, authoritarian approach “in defense of science” may sadly have enhanced vaccine hesitancy and the anti-vax movement, wasting a unique opportunity that was created by the fantastic rapid development of COVID-19 vaccines. Even the tobacco industry upgraded its reputation: Philip Morris donated ventilators to propel a profile of corporate responsibility and saving lives, a tiny fraction of which were put at risk of death from COVID-19 because of background diseases caused by tobacco products.

Other potentially conflicted entities became the new societal regulators, rather than the ones being regulated. Big Tech companies, which gained trillions of dollars in cumulative market value from the virtual transformation of human life during lockdown, developed powerful censorship machineries that skewed the information available to users on their platforms. Consultants who made millions of dollars from corporate and government consultation were given prestigious positions, power, and public praise, while unconflicted scientists who worked pro bono but dared to question dominant narratives were smeared as being conflicted. Organised scepticism was seen as a threat to public health. There was a clash between two schools of thought, authoritarian public health versus science – and science lost.

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loopDloop
loopDloop
4 years ago

Science has become stupidity.

Just look at climate change.

Scientists are just ego-driven idiots who read the same junk in the newspapers as everyone else.

Science is a cult. Time to tear it down.

isobar
4 years ago
Reply to  loopDloop

Sorry, I don’t agree. As a card carrying scientist myself it pains me greatly how the discipline of science has been hijacked and politicised for totalitarian gains. I know for a fact that there are genuine scientists out there who, like me, are
absolutely appalled at this turn of events.

BillRiceJr
BillRiceJr
4 years ago
Reply to  isobar

I think I am correct in saying that President Eisenhower – in addition to warning about the dangers of the “military industrial complex” – also issued a warning (in the same speech or a later speech) warning about the “science industrial complex.” If he did, he was doubly prescient.

Edit: Dang. I see the DS has an article on this very topic today!

tom171uk
4 years ago
Reply to  isobar

#metoo!!! We can’t let a handful of useful idiots who happen to have degrees in science subjects blacken the name of science.

Rowan
Rowan
4 years ago
Reply to  isobar

I know for a fact that there are genuine scientists out there who, like me, are
absolutely appalled at this turn of events.

But unlike you, most of them are keeping their mouths firmly shut.

chris c
chris c
4 years ago
Reply to  isobar

Agreed. This is a spectacularly good article. In a way though I’ve seen it all before in Dietworld, where religious cetainty (Seventh Day Adventists, vegans, vegetarians) trumps facts and evolution.

oblong
4 years ago
Reply to  loopDloop

I have a PhD from the now infamous Imperial College. Cant remember the last time I read a newspaper. But then I am not a genuine scientist.

TheyLiveAndWeLockdown
4 years ago
Reply to  oblong

I will add, that the man who never looks into a newspaper is better informed than he who reads them; inasmuch as he who knows nothing is nearer to truth than he whose mind is filled with falsehoods & errors. He who reads nothing will still learn the great facts, and the details are all false.

1807 Thomas Jefferson

Lockdown Sceptic
4 years ago

Thousands protest vaccine, passport mandates in British Columbia
https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/thousands-protest-vaccine-passport-mandates-in-british-columbia/

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Meet near Weather Vane Pub, 
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As the Weather Vane still requires masks I wouldn’t drink there – Please don’t park there

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Sambagirl
Sambagirl
4 years ago

‘If you don’t read the news you’re uninformed, if you do read the news you’re misinformed’ – Mark Twain.

BillRiceJr
BillRiceJr
4 years ago
Reply to  loopDloop

Practicing scientists and practicing physicians should practice their crafts. Besides journalists being co-opted, practicing physicians have abdicated “pubic health” to the bureaucrats who run these ever-growing “public health agencies.” It’s impossible to know the long-term deadly consequences of this development.

mwhite
4 years ago
Reply to  loopDloop

Fame and money, it goes back a long way

Koch’s Postulates: Germ School Dropout (odysee.com)

Hugh
Hugh
4 years ago
Reply to  loopDloop

It’s seemed to me for a while that some scientists are in reality engaging in advanced fantasising, giving opinions based on unproven assumptions which are then conflated with objective facts.

Moist Von Lipwig
4 years ago
Reply to  Hugh

Yes, they conflate their imagination with reality.

ewloe
4 years ago
Reply to  loopDloop

Churchill said it best, scientists should be on tap. not on top.

Moist Von Lipwig
4 years ago
Reply to  loopDloop

Science cannot survive the collspse of philosophy and the absurdities masquerading as science are the consequence.

Your solution is equivalent to having Frank Bruno punch people as a healing and recuperation aid.

TheyLiveAndWeLockdown
4 years ago

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nnMcZvbPxpU

Kilmeade: It appears Anthony Fauci lied under oath

NonCompliant
4 years ago

Monsters never go to jail. See Iraq & GFC.

Endemic corruption in all aspects of Govt.

IanC
4 years ago

why would he not? Why sound so surprised. Whats an oath to members of this cabal?

TheyLiveAndWeLockdown
4 years ago

BTW What did happen in France regarding nicotine as a COVID treatment?

refusenick
4 years ago

Not sure about the French connection but when I surveyed the research on this, there were lots of studies suggesting smokers were less likely to contract Covid but likely to suffer more if/when they did. There is at least one study suggesting this isn’t true for nicotine vaping, however, suggesting that nicotine is not the explanation. (I admit, I was disappointed to see that).
However, it’s also pretty clear that research into the subject is not favored in the nany state as it might encourage us dumb plebs to go out and start smoking.

BillRiceJr
BillRiceJr
4 years ago
Reply to  refusenick

I’ve read studies that show that smokers were far less likely to contract the virus than non-smokers. An early study in China showed this correlation. All of science has become politicized. All of every profession and organization has become politicized.

RickH
4 years ago
Reply to  BillRiceJr

If ‘true’, it shows how accurate findings can easily be turned into duff science, since the long-term actual effects of smoking massively outweigh any dangers from Covid.

Manjushri
Manjushri
4 years ago

Not sure if there is a connection between nicotine which is an effective pesticide and hydra chloroquine and Ivermectin(?) which are both anti-parasitical? …Just guessing.
Also, smokers might be less risk as the regularly ‘gob-up’ and the up that might displace any airbourne pathogen that was breathed in.
Or, the airbourne pathogen just prefers fresh healthy lungs?

BillRiceJr
BillRiceJr
4 years ago

The paucity of skeptical journalism is the scariest development of them all. By now I’ve read scores of medical and scientific studies. These studies always use “N” to depict a number of a studied cohort. I’ll use the same nomenclature here with my best guesses included for illustration purposes.

N = 10,000 – estimated number of full-time journalists in America who work at “mainstream” news organizations and who have written at least one COVID story.

N = 0 – Estimated number of stories written by these journalists that challenged the pronouncements of COVID “experts”

Seriously, someone needs to do a real study on this.

BillRiceJr
BillRiceJr
4 years ago
Reply to  BillRiceJr

Here’s the hypothesis my proposed study is testing: Is news coverage of COVID topics “fair and balanced?”

If it was, the second “N” should have been 5,000.

BillRiceJr
BillRiceJr
4 years ago
Reply to  BillRiceJr

Addendum: Daily Skeptics is the rare exception to my hypothetical study. But I don’t think The Daily Skeptic is “mainstream” yet. If it does become mainstream, hope lives.

BillRiceJr
BillRiceJr
4 years ago

Just today I happened to stumble upon an excellent essay written in April of 2020 by two scientists who made the same point as Dr. Ionaddis. In fact, they even cite him as an example of a reputable scientists whose work was being attacked. Surprisingly, one of the co-authors is the former dean of the Harvard School of Medicine. (It wouldn’t surprise me if the current dean disagrees with his predecessor.)

Here’s the headline:

“Scientists who express different views on Covid-19 should be heard, not demonized”

Here’s a caption I liked:

“Sometimes the most important voices turn out to be those of independent thinkers whose views were initially doubted.”

Here’s one excerpt: 

“We are two academic physicians with different career interests who sometimes disagree on substantive issues. But we share the view that vigorous debate is fundamental to the existence of universities, where individuals with different ideas who have a commitment to reason compete to persuade others based on evidence, data, and reason. Now is the time to foster —not stifle — open dialogue among academic physicians and scientists about the current pandemic and the best tactical responses to it, each of which involve enormous trade-offs and unanticipated consequences.”

https://www.statnews.com/2020/04/27/hear-scientists-different-views-covid-19-dont-attack-them/

Virginia McGough
Virginia McGough
4 years ago
Reply to  BillRiceJr

Thanks for citing this article – it says it all, really.

BillRiceJr
BillRiceJr
4 years ago

I made a post in a Reader Comment Section recently, stating that readers should pay particular attention to the one or two lonely voices who dissent from the conventional wisdom being expressed in these forums.

I got no “up votes.” In fact, I’ve now been banned from posting at this site.

True story … Apropos of our New Normal.

TheyLiveAndWeLockdown
4 years ago
Reply to  BillRiceJr

Einstein would get downvotes for stating spacetime is “bendy”.

IanC
4 years ago

just thought id downvote you cos spacetime is bent actually.

realarthurdent
4 years ago

I don’t think the Authoritarians give a toss about Public Health.
They are just Authoritarians, full stop.

Manjushri
Manjushri
4 years ago

1) Declare a public health threat.
2) Invoke emergency legislation.
3) Stifle intellegent, open, informed debate, discussion and free speech.
4) Create endless emergencies and threats.
5) Invoke marshall law
6) Handover total control to a gang of powerful global fascist elites.
7) ‘The Projects’ objectives now achieved.
8) Well done everyone, you performed well in complying and followed our orders just like we have brainwashed you to.
9) Have a nice day 😊

BillRiceJr
BillRiceJr
4 years ago
Reply to  Manjushri

You can sum all this up with two words:

Fear sells.

peyrole
peyrole
4 years ago

”There was absolutely no conspiracy or preplanning behind this hypercharged evolution.” Is this why Mr Young liked this article? I have a lot of time for Ioannidis, but really?

Adamb
4 years ago
Reply to  peyrole

I still believe this is a situation that has been leaped upon by many parties for their own benefit. Now, many of these actors are finding that their interests align, so you could call it a post facto conspiracy. Just my twopence worth.

Jon Mors
Jon Mors
4 years ago
Reply to  Adamb

good take

Pavlov Bellwether
4 years ago

The only information worth reading in full:

By LCAHub  / 9 September 2021

Hugh
Hugh
4 years ago

I thought smokers were less likely to get ill from Covid.

Hester
Hester
4 years ago

I thought I would write to you from Greece I am in a small town called monemvasia on the mainland of Greece. it is a tourist rocky fort . Today it rained heavily. tonight if you were a tourist and wanted to eat out of the rain there were few exceptions . if you couldn’t show proof of vaccine you were not welcome inside. 80 year old woman no vaccine. nope get outside. lady with young children no get outside you stay in the rain.
meanwhile the vaccinated queued up with their phones all readied with their obedience status, who cares about the elderly lady with no I phone or the young mother and their children. they are bad and dirty because the Greek government says they are, but the good people they have earned their place at the table. Isn’t the human race lovely

Noumenon
4 years ago
Reply to  Hester

I’m sorry to hear it’s like that there, I hope you are coping.

My resolve comes from the steadfast belief that the system they are creating is so barren, so inhuman, so psychopathic, so inflexible that it is infertile and carries the seeds of its own destruction. I honestly believe this.

Fearless
4 years ago
Reply to  Noumenon

i.e. it is EVIL.

chris c
chris c
4 years ago
Reply to  Hester

Coming shortly to a country near you.

Beyond disgusting.

I am Spartacas
4 years ago

Ethics 101 Dr Julie Ponesse a professor of Ethics at the University of Western Ontario, provides a lesson in courage and integrity.
A must watch and share … we have right on our side.

https://odysee.com/@percep7ioneer:e/Julie-Ponesse-Ethics-Professor-UWO:5

A Y M
4 years ago

A few more sudden deaths from today’s news

21 09 09 Cypress 2 women sudden death same day 33 and 26 https://cyprus-mail.com/2021/09/09/post-mortems-on-two-women-aged-33-and-26-who-died-suddenly/

21 08 27 Clare Lisa Roberts 40 Wales sudden death https://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/mum-two-zest-life-died-21520612

21 09 09 Saravanan, 38, of Pudhupatti Prison Wardon dies after sports https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/madurai/trichy-central-prison-warder-dies/articleshow/86066410.cms

thinkcriticall
4 years ago

WHOA!! UK PHE data confirms zero vaccine efficacy against infection by publishing case rates by age group.
https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/1016465/Vaccine_surveillance_report_-_week_36.pdf

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TheyLiveAndWeLockdown
4 years ago
Reply to  thinkcriticall

Ho
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Shhh
It

RickH
4 years ago

Like others, I have a lot of time for John Ioannides. His expertise is unquestionable. But I find this analysis somewhat confused. He seems uncomfortable dealing with what he sees as the corruption of science whilst, at the same time having a deep belief in scientific method. There is, of course, a contradiction inherent in the theory and recent practice. But perhaps his confusion comes from not seeing that the key questions about Covid are not essentially deeply scientific, but political. So – we’re not into disputable statistical argument in recognising that the portrayal of this as an ’emergency’ was deeply dishonest by April 2020. We do not require specialist expertise to see that the “ unique opportunity…created by the fantastic rapid development of COVID-19 vaccines.” was blown immediately by an incontinent rush to approve them without proper testing. Neither do we need that expertise to understand that most imposed NPI measures had no scientific or strategic basis, but were imposed on a political whim. Yes – science was corrupted in the ways described, but, above all, it was politics that was the root, and the structures had been seen before in previous attempts to magnify the appearance of SARS… Read more »

Pavlov Bellwether
4 years ago

I hear so-called ‘scientists’ spouting nonscience daily. You get more common sense from Scientologists (ie none)… Updated information, useful links and resources: https://www.LCAHub.org/

Rudolph Rigger
4 years ago

I’ve been a research scientist (non medical) for over 30 years and I can’t get my head round the extraordinary disproportionality we’ve witnessed over the last 18 months – for a virus that might be twice as bad as a severe flu in terms of overall mortality. It has been a grotesquery of unimaginable scale. Do I really need to list the many, and severe, consequences of the measures we’ve taken? Measures which are unquestionably worse than the disease itself, in my view. Why did we ditch our pandemic preparedness plans? Why did we not collect accurate statistics? (deaths within 28 days of a +ve test) Why is it still so difficult to get accurate statistics? (age profile of vaccine adverse effects, for example) Why were no rigorous cost/benefit analyses undertaken? (and still have not been) Why persist with lockdowns when their efficacy is so questionable? Why persist with masks when their efficacy is so questionable? Why push the asymptomatic transmission narrative when the evidence was so weak? Why redefine a medical case as someone who has a positive test? Why focus on cases when we should focus on those who are actually ill? Why the extreme censorship and suppression?… Read more »

TheyLiveAndWeLockdown
4 years ago
Reply to  Rudolph Rigger

awesome post.
Post it again in today’s comments though.

number 6
number 6
4 years ago

Seconded

chris c
chris c
4 years ago
Reply to  number 6

+1

RickH
4 years ago
Reply to  Rudolph Rigger

A good list.