Nadhim Zahawi Won’t Rule Out Vaccine Passports in Pubs
The Vaccines Minister insisted vaccine passports will not be imposed on “essential services” in a clash with MPs today but refused to rule out their introduction at pubs and restaurants. The Sun has the story.
Nadhim Zahawi defended the introduction of vaccine passports which he said would “reduce transmission and serious illness”.
Boris Johnson is already facing a major rebellion over the plans, with more than 50 Tories expected to mutiny.
Covid papers will be needed to enter nightclubs and other large indoor venues from later this month.
Mr. Zahawi didn’t rule out their use becoming more widespread.
He sparred with raging MPs during a heated debate at the Commons Constitutional Affairs Committee.
The vaccines minister was pressed by Labour’s Deputy Leader Angela Rayner on where people will have to show Covid papers.
He replied: “I can assure her that there are some essential services which will not need for people to show Covid vaccine certification.
“These settings that have stayed open throughout the pandemic, such as public sector buildings, essential retail, essential services and public transport.”
Mr. Zahawi insisted it “pains” him to introduce vaccine passports and it’s a decision “we do not take lightly”.
He said it is “something that goes against the DNA of this minister and his PM but we are living through difficult times, unprecedented times”. …
But fuming Tory MPs lined up to angrily denounce the Government’s plans.
William Wragg accused the minister of talking “a load of rubbish” and said he was trying to “defend the indefensible”. …
Mark Harper, Chairman of the Covid Research Group, said vaccine passports are “a pointless policy with damaging effects”.
He added: “I’m afraid the Minister is picking an unnecessary fight with his own colleagues. I say to him the Government should think again.”
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He needs to be permanently banned from this country.
We need to protest every single day Wake Up, They’ll Use the Jab to Take Your Children Away Judge Removes Child From Mom Over Vaccination Status Analysis by Dr. Joseph Mercola https://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2021/09/08/judge-strips-mother-of-parental-rights-over-vaccination-status.aspx?ui=1fb065e0c4152b58bd4ed94cf29c7cbfad40307fb723460ddabacd55f3c58b0c&sd=20210518&cid_source=dnl&cid_medium=email&cid_content=art1HL&cid=20210908_HL2&mid=DM978650&rid=1258083286 Next Peaceful & Friendly Roadside Banner Events : – let’s join in with Worldwide backlash before it’s too late Friday 10th September 5pm Loddon Bridge, (Winnersh Garden Centre/Showcase Cinema) Reading Rd, Winnersh, Wokingham Berks RG41 5HG ** Saturday September 11th 12pm ** Hold The Line Event (like the Baltic countries in 1989 ) Meet on Wokingham Rd outside Weather Vane Pub Arlington Square, Wokingham Rd (B3408) , Bracknell RG42 1NA As the Weather Vane still requires masks I wouldn’t drink there. Please don’t park there. Monday 13th September 5pm High St, Ascot SL5 7HP just before roundabout A330 Winkfield Road & A329 London Road to Sunninghill Saturday 18th September 11:30am Grand Stand in the Park Grove Park (nr basketball court), 21 Mill Ln, Carshalton SM5 2AN – Dr Niall McCrae (Workers of England Union) Anna De Buisseret (Lawyer) Kate Shemirani Sunday 19th September 2021 12pm to 3pm Surrey’s Super Stand in the Park , Stoke Park, Nightingale Rd, Guildford GU1 1ER. – after your local Stands. Stand in South Hill Park Bracknell – Sundays from 10am & Wednesdays from 2pm… Read more »
Anything in east anglia?
Yes have a look at the directory
https://astandinthepark.org/uk/
I’ll be there.
We’ve got enough home-grown idiots without importing any.
This is no surprise to the people who frequent this website on a regular basis, but we now need mass resistance and to chase these scumbags every move and waking second.
Start putting up BIG posters characterising them all as NAZIS – that will cause them a LOT of problems. They are fucking Nazis, so expose them as such.
Massive posters of mugshots of Bojo going up all over the country with swastikas on his forehead WILL GET ATTENTION
Been done in France against Macron .
You have a problem with this as some leading MPs claim to be Jewish such as Dominic Raab and a very large percentage of media figures and owners also claim to be Jewish – and will go down the ‘lockdown sceptics are right wing extremist route’ (completely untrue, but that doesn’t stop them, don’t see them standing up for the heavily discriminated against Orthodox community). The cabinet and parliament are a diverse bunch but united in evil – they deliberately cause pain and suffering and seem to get pleasure from it.
There are plenty of Holocaust survivors and family members of Holocaust victims speaking out. These criminals in HMG are NAZIS who deserve to be exposed as such. Raab and Jews in the government pushing this genocidal evil agenda this should hang their heads in shame at what they have become – NAZIS. They have made their choice, they’re not stupid, so now these NAZIS – some of whom are Jewish – must be exposed for their vile amoral crimes and evil souls. Pfizer – a NAZI company – is using Israelis as LABRATS for their genocide. It is evil and inversion on another level. Holocaust Survivors Write to the European Medicines Agency https://doctors4covidethics.org/holocaust-survivors-write-to-the-european-medicines-agency/ STOP HOLOCAUST Ladies and Gentlemen, We, the survivors of the atrocities committed against humanity during the Second World War, feel bound to follow our conscience and write this letter. It is obvious to us that another holocaust of greater magnitude is taking place before our eyes. The majority of the world’s populace do not yet realize what is happening, for magnitude of an organized crime such as this is beyond their scope of experience. We, however, know. We remember the name Josef Mengele. Some of us have… Read more »
The only hanging their heads should be doing is from a rope. Treason is still punishable by death.
Keeping using that nuremberg point isn’t so relevant, it applies to experiments but even if the covid vaccines get beyond the experimental stage forced treatment even with proved remedies is still a serious crime. The point from nuremberg we really need to remember is that simply following orders is no justification for evil.
Yes! Sadism is what characterizes all their diktats, capricious changes, and broken promises.
Let’s not compare this to the holocaust yet, indeed does stir up too much meotion, but it is time to fight off vaccine passports just like you would fight off a holocaust, because when they try to use the “vaccine” passport* surveillance system to control acces to food a genocide is exactly what it will become.
*this has nothing to do with the vaccine itself
I have no problem with the portrayal of Johnson and his cronies as NAZIs or REDS or STASI or members of the Cultural Revolution;
HMG has signed a contract with Entrust to provide services to the “vaccine passport” debacle – that is like donating money straight to the NSDAP.
Entrust is owned by the German Quandt family; I will leave it to you to discover the source of that families wealth as exposed already. So by that token it is scrupulously accurate to portray Johnson acolytes and apparatchiks who support vaccine passports as NAZI sympathisers.
I would love to see a broadsheet cartoonist brave enough to take this up as a theme….
I looked up Entrust’s website- my blood ran cold. Everyone in this country should see it – it is exactly what conspiracy theorists have been warning us against. I was then side-tracked to an article in the Mail (and others) of 29th July 2021 in which Dominic Raab said vaccine passports were “smart”. Raab’s father, being Jewish, fled Czechoslovakia in 1938 because of the invasion by parts of it by nazis.
Recommend this :
BOOM! Vax Passport Company’s Horrifying History
They might be the “best” in the world at what they do – no bulkheads in this ethical policy decision, and it will surely hit the “iceberg” of public opinion. Absolutely typical of politicians not giving a toss, blind ignorance because of no DD….could not make it up.
Those posters will be taken down and the people who placed them around town will be arrested or punished or censored. I’ve come to this conclusion: You don’t get semi-authoritarianism. The Nazis were POPULAR among many people in Germany. And those who didn’t like the Nazis learned to be quiet and keep their views to themselves.
LOL. Are you one of these people who thinks that Britain defeated the NAZIS? One of these deluded Brits who thinks the sun shines out of London. It’s this kind of gutless whimpering response that guarantees their success. Fuck them. THEY ARE COMMITTING GENOCIDE AS WE SPEAK SO YOU HAD BETTER GET OUT THERE AND START MAKING WAVES BY EXPOSING THESE NAZIS FOR WHAT THEY ARE BEFORE YOU FIND YOURSELF LIVING IN HELL WHICH AIN’T FAR OFF.
IGNORE BILL THE SHILL – GO AND PUT POSTERS UP EVERYWHERE EXPOSING THESE NAZIS AND ASSOCIATING THEM WITH THE SWASTIKA.
They are carrying out banned medical experiments on human subects just like the NAZIS did, hacking God’s software, using humans as LABRATS, knowingly injecting posion and then doing their best to cover up their murderous activities. They are engaged in genocide, terrorism, murder, brainwashing, deceit, coercio and manipulation. They are evil to the core. They are abusing children. PARLIAMENT IS A CESSPIT. THEY ARE NAZIS. EXPOSE THEM AS SUCH.
I think you missed my point. The “posters” are a form of contrarian speech and contrarian speech is being taken down left and right. It’s called “deplatforming” or censorship. I don’t think the people we are fighting will allow such speech. But, to be clear, I’m for putting up posters.I just don’t think they will stay up long.
I agree with you I have been putting up White Rose stickers every Sunday that I have gone to and from my local SITP. By the following Sunday they have been taken down or scratched out. I’m sure there’s someone in the local council who’s been specifically tasked for this job. Stickers for Gay rights, BML etcetera, etcetera are untouched.
In America, we fancy ourselves the “land of the free” and the “home of the brave.” I don’t know why we still do this. Freedom is being eviscerated and this nation of courageous freedom lovers is roaring their approval.
Work out how journalists know where politicans are giving speeches in public and campaigning and doing PR, this should tell you where to protest to make sure the media and politicians can’t ignore your shouting and signs.
There are so many to choose from as prick of the year in this Government. Another obvious nudge. Bring in what you like and see it last about as long as the Moscow diktat on passports.
We need to Nudge Back Better
“Nadhim Zahawi defended the introduction of vaccine passports which he said would “reduce transmission and serious illness”. . .”
I could have the tiniest smidgen of respect for Nadhim Zahawi if he had the decency to just be honest and say that the government understands and accepts completely that vaccine passports won’t reduce transmission and serious illness, but they’re going to introduce them anyway. And then tell us the real reason why. What drives me to distraction is that people – including most MPs it seems – just accept this total utter BS day after day after day. What has to happen – what is the straw that breaks the camel’s back – for them to say enough is enough, we’re not putting up with this shite anymore?
Vaccine passes mean I can’t get jabbed. In order to be jabbed I need informed consent which is impossible if I am under coercion which is what vaccine passes do.
Lovely logic.
When the so-called vaccines become “available” for 12-15 year olds, will it follow that all the restrictions placed on unvaccinated adults will also apply to unvaccinated adolescents? In the near future, a family’s ability to go on holiday abroad without having to self-isolate on return, or go to a restaurant or cafe, or even go to a shopping centre may hinge on whether or not their child agrees to be injected with the experimental shit (if his or her parents are already “vaccinated). The degree of pressure on the child to be injected will be huge. This level of coercion that the government aren’t even trying to hide is absolutely a war crime against their own people. They don’t care about us, and they certainly don’t care about our children.
I am refusingt the jab specificsally because of the passports, i don’t think the jab is all that bad but so long as this coercion contineus I must refuse it out of principle. Want me jabbed? Scrap the app!
to be pedantic ….. consent need to be informed AND freely given …. the two are distinct but yes both important…
And that is the logic these fuckers cannot seem to get into their heads – or they do understand but “press the red button ” anyway. I concur 100%.
https://odysee.com/@LongXXvids:c/Ernst-Wolf-speech—summary:3
The answer to your conundrum. They are planning on civil unrest to justify what comes next. This is organised chaos deliberately instigated to goad us into violence; just keep pushing the seemingly (it actually is) nonsense until we break.
so a declaration of war basically. Which really really pains them…
You are absolutely right. We are all being steered in this direction. In a video yesterday on YT, in the comments, many were trying to instill civil unrest and rioting. When I called them out, and said no, we need to be cleverer than that, I was attacked. I then had comments deleted, and I was temporarily thrown off YT. THIS is what they want. They have controlled ops, shills, and bots on everything, trying to control the narrative and keep you in a dark place of negativity, and hopelessness. Don’t fall for it!!!!
What else can there be? Rioting is clearly wrong and not the right way, the same goes for anything else violent, but many forms of unrest and breaking of laws will be very necessary as will refusing taxes and all manner of other things to undermine the regime.
Don’t take the Sting. Don’t wear masks. Don’t lockdown. Speak to all who may listen. Prepare to hold the line.
Thank you for sharing this. Kind of the answer I had come to, expressed beautifully. Things are about to get…… interesting.
I think unrest will be necessary regardless, either unrest empowers them to try and crush us or they crush us anyway, unrest at least gives some chance.
Duplicated? I can’t see the first copy.
I think unrest will be necessary regardless, either unrest empowers them to try and crush us or they crush us anyway, unrest at least gives some chance.
Mass death of the vaccinated triggered by planned ADE genocide, potentially starting this winter
Absolutely, but it will either be blamed on the unjabbed or a ‘dangerous’ new variant…. And the sheeple will believe them.
Yes but if we all make a special effort to inform people about ADE, late in the day that it is, that will make life hard for them. You have to literally go out on to the streets and explain this to people and give them information about it. You can also go door to door. You and everyone you know who is onboard needs to inform people of this – not just that it might be coming, but that HMG has tricked them into taking MASSIVE risks with their health, for no justifiable reason.
i agree but ADE is still a theoretical hazard and one which doesnt seem to have occurred at the catastrophic levels possible so far – yet – so no ones going to be loistening until it happens – see also of coures why we need a control group and why they dont want one
The flu vaccines prove this. In America over the past decade, approximately 70 percent of the older population dutifully gets their flu vaccines and we still average 30 million cases of flu in a typical flu season. It doesn’t matter that the flu vaccines rarely “work” and actually prevent the flu. And if you do still get the flu (which most have), you are told, “well, it would have been a more severe case if you hadn’t gotten the flu vaccine.” Sound familiar? And people get their flu jab EVERY year.
The effectiveness of flu vaccines varies from season to season – depending to a large extent on how well the vaccine manufacturers anticipate the prevalent strain. It is lower than many vaccines, but it is never zero. They also protect against hospitalisation and death – including the death of children (infants are among the most vulnerable group with respect to flu).
https://www.cdc.gov/flu/vaccines-work/vaccineeffect.htm
https://www.cdc.gov/flu/vaccines-work/effectiveness-studies.htm
Your source is the CDC and that’s the source I don’t trust. Prior to COVID, the CDC and all the 50 state health agencies seemed to exist only to promote the flu vaccines. This said, here are the CDC’s own estimates of the number of people who had the flu in different flu seasons: Flu season comparisons by year Ilnesses medical visits hospitalizations deaths 2019-20 2018-19 36.5M 16.5M 490,600 34,200 2017-18 45M 21.0M 810,000 61,000 2016-17 29M 14M 500,000 38,000 2015-16 24M 11M 280,000 23,000 2014-15 30M 14M 591,000 51,000 2013-14 30M 14M 347,000 38,000 2012-13 34M 16M 571,000 43,000 2011-12 9M 4M 140,000 12,000 2010-11 21M 10M 290,000 37,000 Note that in the 2017-2018 Flu Season an estimated 45 million Americans contracted the flu. That was almost 14 percent of the U.S. population. Estimates of the percentage of the population that gets the flu vaccine vary, but a ballpark figure is 50 percent of the population (with a much greater percentage in the older ages – up to 70 percent). So if 50 percent of Americans had their flu shot in 2017-2018, how did America have 45 million Americans who STILL got the flu? I would say flu vaccine… Read more »
There is a bit too much to respond to all your points. So I will tackle a few. Your source is the CDC and that’s the source I don’t trust. The CDC doesn’t just publish figures and expect you to believe them. It gives detailed sources and references for studies. So if 50 percent of Americans had their flu shot in 2017-2018, how did America have 45 million Americans who STILL got the flu? I would say flu vaccine “effectiveness” that year had to be about 1 percent. Or else, I guess, 200 million Americans would have had the flu absent the 160 million Americans who did get their flu jab. I can’t see the problem. Here’s an example of how it could work. According to the CDC, the effectiveness of the jab for 17/18 was 40%. Assume the chances of getting flu if you not vaccinated is 17% – then the chances of getting flu if you are vaccinated are about 10%. Of the 160 million Americans who were not vaccinated 27 million will get it. Of the 160 million Americans who were vaccinated 16 million will get it. For a total of 43 million. Anyway, you don’t need… Read more »
I hadn’t seen a definitive statement from the CDC where they say a given year’s vaccine is/was x percent effective. Do you have percentages for the other flu seasons? Have any years been, say, 90 percent effective? I guess if we extrapolate this formula, and the COVID vaccines are “95 percent” effective – God, think how many cases we’d be having in the world right now if the vaccine was only 40 percent effective. I’m going to assume your 40 percent effectiveness figure is correct. Still, in all the hundreds of stories I’ve read encouraging everyone to get their flu shot, I’ve never seen the tag line – “they are 40 percent effective!” Another difference is that you never hear of an “asymptomatic” case of the flu. I assume all 45 million of those “flu illnesses” in 2017-2018 were symptomatic cases. Yes, I through in the facts about children’s cases to make the point that you don’t need to do fractions and IFR calculations to conclude that the flu is more deadly for children than COVID. As to your question: “Who disputes that?” I would answer: Just about everyone. That is, I’ve yet to read a story in the mainstream… Read more »
I hadn’t seen a definitive statement from the CDC where they say a given year’s vaccine is/was x percent effective. Do you have percentages for the other flu seasons? Have any years been, say, 90 percent effective It is on one of the links I gave you: https://www.cdc.gov/flu/vaccines-work/effectiveness-studies.htm – scroll down and you will see the figures for every season since 2004-5. Below is a table giving a link to the relevant study so you can see how they measured it (except 2008-9 for some reason). Flu vaccines have always been accepted as having quite lot effectiveness. You will see they vary between 10 and 60 per cent. That doesn’t mean they are useless. Any reduction is better than none and they also protect against serious disease. As to your question: “Who disputes that?” I would answer: Just about everyone. That is, I’ve yet to read a story in the mainstream press talking about the huge risks to children that adds this caveat: “But the flu is actually far more lethal to children than COVID.” …. But I’m waiting. Let’s be clear – flu is only a higher risk than Covid for the very young – I think it is… Read more »
I have just seen an important typo in my comment and it is too late to edit it.
It should read:
Flu vaccines have always been accepted as having quite low effectiveness
Dear MTF “There is a bit too much to respond to all your points. So I will tackle a few.” Your original point about ‘flu vaccines is very valid – it is “tail on the donkey” as a Pharmacist might admit, especially when the jabs formulations are done 9 months in advance of roll out ( I understand that that has to coincide with southern hemisphere experience prior to northern hemisphere exposure thereafter ). You then commit to ignore some salient issues – as with the above statement, or state that there is “confusion” in the post to which you respond; not very clever, very obvious. In my experience that tactic is ruthlessly applied by politicians or scions of the medical profession to deflect attention. It does you and your POV no credit whatsoever. The CDC has been complicit in the SARS COV 2 pandemic scam – you only have to listen to US medics “in the front line” to learn that and I recommend – again – Drs McCullough, Fleming, Cole, Ardis as well as The Highwire for exposing this; and as you know , I am not a conspiracy theorist. These “agencies” must maintain absolute trust with the… Read more »
You then commit to ignore some salient issues – as with the above statement, or state that there is “confusion” in the post to which you respond;
There were just too many issues to address them all properly. If there some specific issue that you think is particularly important then please point it out. I don’t think I said anything about confusion – please feel free to provide a counter-example.
You used the term “confusion” to rubber stamp a previous non response to certain points in an earlier post, only to cherry pick one other ….a mental “swerve” if ever I saw one.
I suspect there is a misunderstanding. Can you point me to the post.
I used to think that (although something in my intuition told me otherwise, as I’ve never taken a flu shot – and never had flu in 48 years either). Because that is the received wisdom,
But look at the data. Flu vaccines do nothing to reduce death or illness. NOTHING. Read “Vaccines: truth lies and controversy” , written pre COVID vaccines but helpful in pointing out which ones work, which ones don’t, and which ones are marginal.
You are right to think so Sophie. The flu vaccinations aren’t really scrutinised as they should be. this from the BMJ … sound familiar? Year after year they have quoted observational studies to announce, “…80% vaccine effectiveness…60% effectiveness…40% effectiveness…” They do not mention that these studies make no effort to look for adverse vaccine effects (e.g. narcolepsy, seizures, high fever, oculorespiratory syndrome). They do not mention “negative vaccine effectiveness”, the increase in risk of illness from influenza and non-influenza viruses associated with (or caused by) the vaccines. (Cowling, Clin Inf Dis 2012;54:1778) They do not mention that a vaccine “effective” in one season may increase influenza risk in a subsequent season. (Read about “antibody-dependent enhancement” to understand one explanatory mechanism). They do not mention that the observational studies they refer to are likely to exaggerate vaccine effectiveness in the first place because of the “healthy user effect” well known to epidemiologists. In 2004 a “Seven-Step Recipe” for using the media to boost demand for the vaccine was presented to the National Influenza Vaccine Summit, sponsored by the CDC and the AMA. The recipe included, “…statements of alarm by public health authorities…prediction of dire outcomes from influenza…continued reports that influenza is… Read more »
Can you save me buying and reading a book by simply pointing to the data? If you are convinced then presumably you are familiar with the data.
Ive just posted references to 3 Cochrane reviews above – but here they are together – i think Cochrane (and others ) suggest flu-vaccs dont do appear to do anything / much re death or illness
https://www.cochrane.org/news/featured-review-three-updated-cochrane-reviews-assessing-effectiveness-influenza-vaccines
I don’t understand. They seem to be rather positive about flu vaccines. All three studies concluded an effectiveness of about 40% for infection. In general there weren’t enough studies into mortality to draw conclusion.
Not true, the flu jab effect has been zero on several occasions, last time it was 2018.
The admittance that the trivalent jab is ineffective follows the announcement of NHS bosses who stated the vaccine doesn’t work for the over-75s.
The flu vaccine’s failure to protect against some of the key strains of the infection contributed to more than 50,000 “extra” deaths in England and Wales last winter, according to data from the Office of National Statistics.
Health chiefs were forced to cancel 55,000 operations amid the ‘extremely difficult’ pressure, with scores of hospitals warning they have no free beds.
Ambulances are also facing record delays, with A&E staff to busy dealing with patients in casualty units to transfer those in the emergency vehicles.
sound familiar?
We were discussing the USA not the UK. However, you got me interested in the UK situation. I found this nice clear summary of effectiveness since 2015 from Oxford University. I think the following is maybe what the independent was referring to: Protection from the flu virus varies for different age groups. In children aged 2-17, the flu vaccine prevented 66% of flu cases in 2016-17, 27% of flu cases in 2017-18, and 49% of flu cases in 2018-19. However, in the over 65 age group the inactivated flu vaccine worked less well than it did in other adults and children. In 2016-17, the data suggest that the inactivated flu vaccine did not work at all in people aged over 65, whilst in 2017-2018 it resulted in slightly better results in that age group. Due to the lower effectiveness of the inactivated flu vaccine in older people, a vaccine containing an adjuvant was introduced for the 2018-19 season. This is a substance that strengthens and lengthens the immune response to the vaccine and resulted in better prevention of flu in people aged 65 or over in 2018-19 and 2019-20 seasons. The adjuvanted vaccine is still recommended for this age group in the 2020-21 season.… Read more »
You mean they work for those who don’t need them, but don’t work for those who do? Sounds familiar….LOL
This from my post above, They do not mention that the observational studies they refer to are likely to exaggerate vaccine effectiveness in the first place because of the “healthy user effect” well known to epidemiologists.
which you just so nicely illustrated.
yes but no but yes but
Adults:Healthy adults who receive inactivated parenteral influenza vaccine rather than no vaccine probably have a 1% lower risk of experiencing influenza over a single influenza season https://www.cochrane.org/CD001269/ARI_vaccines-prevent-influenza-healthy-adults
Elderly: Our findings show that according to randomised evidence, the effectiveness of trivalent inactivated influenza vaccines in elderly individuals, when considered in absolute terms, is modest irrespective of setting, outcome, population, and study design.https://www.cochranelibrary.com/cdsr/doi/10.1002/14651858.CD004876.pub4/full
Children Despite the great variations in methods, the reviews all reached similar conclusions to those of our 2005 Cochrane Review: TIV has few effects, and there is no evidence that it affects deaths, complications, or transmission of influenza. Live attenuated influenza vaccine performed a little better at the expense of safety.
Adults:Healthy adults who receive inactivated parenteral influenza vaccine rather than no vaccine probably have a 1% lower risk of experiencing influenza over a single influenza season That’s the classic ARR versus RRR problem. The reason it is only 1% is because it reduces the risk from about 2% to about 1%. i.e. the vaccines do a decent job of reducing the risk, but the risk was quite small in the first place. For comparison, the ARR for the measles vaccine is tiny because very few people get measles these days. But you wouldn’t say that was a criticism of the vaccine. Our findings show that according to randomised evidence, the effectiveness of trivalent inactivated influenza vaccines in elderly individuals, when considered in absolute terms, is modest irrespective of setting, outcome, population, and study Modest – not non-existent. There was a known issue with the trivalent vaccine in the elderly which has probably been alleviated in the last year or two (too late for this study). However, the key message from the Cochrane review for the elderly was lack of good studies and data. In fact the estimate of effectiveness was pretty high but with very large CI. Older adults receiving… Read more »
Hysterical! I’ve never seen anyone work so hard to prove there’s barely any difference between someone being jabbed or not.
you are a riot!
“Absolutely, but it will either be blamed on the unjabbed..”
Yes, I think this is true. They are already trying it in some countries. By a miracle of nature, the covid jabs are the only product in the world, where if something goes wrong, it will all be the fault of the people who didn’t touch it.
“OMG you’ll never guess what happened to me today, my car brakes failed!”
“Don’t be so hard on yourself.. it wasn’t your fault, it was because your next door neighbour didn’t use his properly!”
It has already started.
The Israeli and British hospitalization etc. data is showing the very opposite of what the German and US politicians currently tell their people in that regard.
That doesn’t make sense.
Many nurses and doctors on the ground have started to tell what’s really happening though, that the ICUs are full of vaxxed people.
Bottomline: they just have to lie ever more egragiously in that regard and hope for a miracle, otherwise TSHTF.
I wonder how much it “will pain” him to introduce vaccine passports to churches, temples and mosques? I’m British Indian, don’t worry I think I’m allowed to write that.
Yup. We’ll be meeting secretly soon, with helicopters buzzing overhead. I’m looking forward to it.
A rule of thumb I always found very useful is people must want what the outcome of their actions will necessarily be: It doesn’t matter what this pseudologist claims about how much he hates what he’s about to do, the mere fact that he is doing it is sufficient proof that he wants to do it.
Certainly, the fact that he’s culturally inclined to have an aversion to people … drinking alcohol (!!!!1) … can have nothing to do with it. Large gatherings in houses where certain religions are practised are anything but uncommon but will remain free of vaccination passports.
Good luck getting independent pubs to go along with this.
Although I suspect the Private Equity funds buying out all the pubs that were killed off by the globocap policies of this regime (like Green King) will indeed act as our gatekeepers to a divided tracked and digitalised society….
They won’t want to, but they’ll have to otherwise they’ll risk huge fines or closure. There will be no shortage of clipboard wielding jobsworths paying visits to these premises and finding great joy in slapping a fine on them or threatening to close them down unless they comply.
They will face certain closure if they ACCEPT it!
I wish that were true, but unfortunately these premises will still be frequented…firstly by those who welcome vaccine passports and secondly by those who will simply shrug and say, “Well, what can you do? It is what it is”.
I fear you’re right. ‘Bulldog breed’?
A a rat-like toy adornment is more appropriate..
Makes no difference, pub closures were already the norm and this will accelerate it, doesn’t matter about the odd sheep accepting the diktats, that won’t keep enough buoyancy in that sector.
Ah, that’s why the Lib Dems oppose it!
Ah, the 5 most poisonous words ever.
Again, we will meet in private houses, with helicopters buzzing overhead. Caves, beaches…
If they defy TOGETHER the jobsworths can’t do anything. Jobsworths can go after 1 pub, they can’t go after 20% of them or more. What we need is a way to bind the defiers together as a united whole so nobody can back out and leave others to face the jobsworths alone.
Sadly for those of us saddled with living in wokesville (Greene kings’ HQ town)
Mandates aren’t law they are just guidelines and can be ignored.
This is true. I kept telling people that about the mask mandate but people believed (and still believe) that it was law.
Even the Peel’s principles forgetters arrested people in their ignorance of the law.
The mask mandate was actually law, but had a self-exemption clause so anybody could exempt themselves on one or other of the accepted grounds for this (several of which were subjective so nearly impossible to disprove).
But it achieved its main aim – creating a sense of fear, getting the majority to comply, and creating an ‘us and them’ situation where the masked showed at least passive hostility towards the unmasked.
“the Government should think again”
Think?. Think??? The government doesn’t do that process.
What the government does is BLOCK and censor those who do think and question. This isn’t a new tactic or goal. Once upon a time, writers and thinkers pointed this out and their warnings were actually heeded and appreciated. Not so much anymore. Which is why this site is so important.
Sodding well wouldn’t do, would he? This Winter’s gonna be grim. Are that lot still even pretending they have a way out of this shambles?
I seem to remember this lot obliging small businesses to act as passport control a few years back. Now I wonder if I can get “vaccine” exemption?
Perhaps we should refuse to rule out a modern version of flying pickets (flash mobs?) to protest where needed if the authorities start getting heavy handed over this?
And if Labour support this, they are not a party of equality
The wonders of modern science eh?
Who’d a thought….. by downloading some sort of digital app I will have the power to reduce the spread of a dangerous bioweapon and reduce serious illness. And all by carrying a mobile ‘phone.
Fuckin amazing.
You mean Curd, surely?
How government works:
1) “We will never do x!”
2) “We will only do x under very restricted circumstances.”
3) “We don’t rule out x in other circumstances.”
4) “We will do x.”
It used to take a few months to a year for the government to go from step 1 to step 4, now it seems to take days or even hours. Soon they won’t even bother with the pretence.
5) We will do X but only for a short period
6) Short period extended. And again.
“Difficult times, unprecedented times”.
I’m sorry but on what basis? 2020 was the worst year for excess deaths (if you believe in them) adjusted for age and population since 2008, and less bad than the years before it. This year is little above average, there was no disaster in Belarus. Romania, with less than thirty per cent (apparently) having these “vaccines” isn’t doing so badly. This just doesn’t make sense.
Because it isn’t about a virus? Makes sense then.
No, it doesn’t. This is mostly the WHO operating in its default mode – We must eradicate diseaes we cannot eradicate, therefore, we must try harder to eradicate them! – plus a bunch of people suffering from germophobia, eg, the female Australian clown who told people that they MUST sanitize their hands after touching anything — that’s what I already told you before COVID (but nobody was listetning to you back then, stupid cow, right?) and/ or who are otherwise insane given free reign by the usual incompetent cover-your-ass-backwards democratic politicans.
This doesn’t make sense because it doesn’t make sense.
You are failing to look beyond the headlines.
The priority is to have everybody injected with the bioweapon which then facilitates digital ID. After that crash the world banking system for Central Bank Digital Currency – CBDC and:
You will own nothing and you will be happy.
Otherwise known as a slave society for those still alive.
I don’t want to discuss this because I consider such a discussion counterproductive. But I don’t believe in these stories.
Have you watched this? Whether you believe it or not, it’s happening:
https://odysee.com/@LongXXvids:c/Ernst-Wolf-speech—summary:3
I would actually be interested to know why you don’t believe them. I would love to be wrong about it, but a number of things are pointing in that direction:
I’m very much opposed to trying to fill gaps in one’s knowledge through speculation, hence, I can only point back at my prior post here: The WHO is always busy with eradicting diseases through vaccination although they usually fail at that. Hence, we’re very likely in the middle of another such – ultimatively futile – attempt.
Vaccination of the already immune is probably being pushed because we don’t know how long natural immunity lasts and because the people designing this policy mistakenly believe that immunity equals high levels of antibodies in the blood even in absence of pathogens. The usually sidelined subject matter experts not in favour of the WHO eradication policy claim that’s normal and nothing to worry about.
The vax assport smells like something the so-called progressive American left came up with. They usually try to get around any kind of institutional limitation on the state by exerting state pressure on private actors in order to make them voluntarily enforce the policies they’re officially prohibited from enforcing themselves. The prominent example for this would be art censorship.
As the so-called progressive American left pretty much rules western Europe indirectly, that’s how we got it as well.
“Nadhim Zahawi defended the introduction of vaccine passports which he said would “reduce transmission and serious illness”.”
And yet not one of them asked him to produce the research that shows they do either.
And chances are the MSM won’t ask,either! They’ll just take this bullshit as gospel.
White elephant in the room of course being that the vaccines don’t do either as Israel, the UK and other countries are finding out!
Precisely – just by asking him to confirm the the data of prevelance of “cases” – OK but lets turn their weakness into a weapon – between the “jabbed” and unjabbed – and then ask him to review his defence of this 100% ineffective, wrong and economically devastating policy….
But IMHO this is all a smoke screen behind which the theft of parental responsibility for no reason whatsoever goes on regardless – time for “civil disobedience” in the manner described by Jonathan Sumption – if a Law is bad , the subject has the right to ignore it.
He said it is “something that goes against the DNA of this minister and his PM but we are living through difficult times, unprecedented times”.
“DNA???” Is he taking the p*ss?!!! I hope one day you will pay severely for your mendacious lies, you evil scumbag.
Well if their DNA can be altered by the vaccines maybe he’s saying “it goes against our original DNA, but now we are modified and it’s ok”
Dear Minister, The “difficult times, unprecedented times” are entirely the making of your government: pandemic plan abandoned with no back up; Hunt “wargaming” exercise revealed no plan; Johnson/Hancock decimated the NHS by NOT following the GBD, treating infected people early to reduce hospitilisation; Nightingale Hospitals – never used; Ventillators – vast sums spent – not utilised because they killed people’ Refusal to adopt successful early treatment protocols used US and elsewhere; ‘Contract for Chums” – massive corruption evident; Adoption of WHO/MHRA mandated mass testing regime proven to be fraudulent; Policy pinned to “cases numbers” very little secondary testing done; Adoption of WHO/MHRA mandated mass testing regime proven to be fraudulent, continued despite proof it provides no useful data; Vaccine passport introduction despite current “varient” data proving no differential split in “cases” of unjabbed:jabbed; Continued description of “Vaccines” as such when the whole world now knows they are not vaccines; Continued use of “vaccine” as main strategy despite UNPRECEDENTED deaths and morbidity from one and second jab; Continued use of “vaccine” as a descriptive when manufacturer confirms they are gene editing therapy; HMG down graded SARS COV2 from HI disease in March 2020; Strategy unchanged despite HMG down graded SARS COV2… Read more »
By Christmas EVERY facet of public life will need the mark of the beast for access.
Compulsive liars cannot be trusted. It’s obvious what’s coming, they just can’t do it all in one go.
The unter mensch will sidelined in small stages until they are totally isolated.
I knew this was coming:
plotscheme so easy to achieve but ofetn using copious amounts of OUR money to pad the figures and delare ‘victory’. If it does fail, they blame the same goup.person from 3 for deliberately scuppering their plan and say the situation is now worse because of THEM.One only need watch episodes of the original Yes, Minister and Yes, Prime Minister to understand their games.
Looks like we’re on the path to become honourary Australians (or Chinese)…treated like criminals until you do as your told.
Im fully jabbed. Had Covid in March 2020. But if they require passports, I will never go into another pub till they end. Reminder Sir, vaccines don’t stop infections so, at this point you are just manipulating people. And when Boris asks for my vote next time, you’ll hear my laughter from miles away.
Frequent the pubs that resist!
How?
I was going to say publicise them but that might backfire.
I suspect that’s what the authorities want. I was a mug for contributing to that ‘survey’ by Gove’s Cabinet Office on views about the vaccine passports. Now he has a list of everyone against them, all given willingly.
Gaslighting, doublespeak and outright lying is all this regime ever does – this is cross party, forget about the theatre in parliament they are all united in turning the country into a dystopian fascist police state.
Give it a few months and we will have quarantine camps, remember Dachua opened years before the war as a holding camp for political prisoners. I wouldn’t trust Kier Starmer the chosen future PM and man who let off Jimmy Saville whilst he was alive to say no to anything. Time for the UK public to grow a spine and actually say no to something.
Camp’s already built in Victoria, and it looks chillingly familiar.
Some have asked why all of these draconian “safety” measures are being mandated, what’s the end game? I’m not sure if there is some sinister long-term strategy that’s being imposed on the people of the world. It’s very possible that the Powers that Be simply see “COVID” as an opportunity to implement key parts of their preferred agenda. That is, they see a crisis and they damn sure are not going to waste said crisis. These vaccine passports might be the scariest development yet. One assume these passports” will be (largely) digital. There will be a national data base that allows people to “show their papers” and still enjoy the “freedoms” our masters let us enjoy. But the digital part is key. What’s also coming, I’m pretty sure, is a push to make all money in the future digital. If vaccine passports eliminate freedoms for the unvaccinated, wait until we see the elimination of freedoms when the government controls “our” money – which of course will no longer be our money. The government – and all its bureaucracies (for example the NHS) – need more money and will need a lot more in the future. Well, the government can raise… Read more »
This is the prelude to the CCP-style Social Credit system, which is advanced by the World Econimic Forum by everything but name. It means that the already rich and powerful get more so at our expense, with none of the rules applying to them.
I hope my post on this topic doesn’t get me labeled as someone who has gone full wacko. This said, I DO think this is the agenda of the Davos and Soros crowd. And events of the last 19 months lead me to conclude that these people are accelerating the implementation of this program. We’re seeing it with these monthly cash credits that are being deposited into many Americans’ accounts on a monthly basis. In the past I thought, “They might want to do this, but they’ll never get away with it.” Now I think, “Yes they will, and much faster than I thought was possible.”
The sting in the tail for all of this is the ‘Digital’ nature of the things.
It is only a matter of time to fit a electronic lock to the entrance of ALL buildings (including private homes, churches, mosques, corner shops and so forth) that can ONLY be activated by the use of these infernal ‘passports’. There is no need for any jobsworth to ‘check’ them so after implementation of these ‘locks’ the scheme will run very cheaply.
This will enable the following:
This is a truly nightmarish dystopia and it is all possible, unfortunately.
And that is why we must resist this accursed, evil and satanic idea NOW.
That’s exactly the plan, and that’s also why “digital ID” is needed. Because without a digital ID the machine cannot reliably check whether the permissions you show it actually belong to you. With a digital ID, it very much can. And yes, electronic gates will be cheaper and solve the problem of unreliable/revolting people being forced to check others. This does not work well, even with police fines/coercion. What works well is if you lose access because your government/provider or some other such quasi-anonymous entity said so.
The last cash machine I used actually asked me:
Would you mind if shops stopped accepting cash?
3 cashpoints in my small town. I’ve reverted to drawing out small sums several times a week and using cash for my shopping. Use it ….. or lose it. We will probably lose it anyway, but not without a fight if we all resist.
In an independent pharmacy in a small market town today, I was told by the assistant before I purchased anything, that their card machine was not working and so I would have to pay cash if I still wanted to go ahead with a purchase. Not the first time this has happened in other shops as well.
Imagine a solar flare fucking with our electronics one day – suddenly the whole humanity cannot even make basic transactions because we’re all safe and digital.
I remember twenty years ago when there was a power cut in the town. The managed chain pubs couldn’t operate without the electronic tills (that also held the pricing information. A few independent pubs could manage by taking cash.
A lot of commercial kitchens are going all electric…..I don’t think they’ve thought through what happens in a power cut.
The state does not need your money, they can print their money themselves. What the state needs is your labor, products and services you create. Because the state by itself produces nothing but “protection” (which really means armed coercion, and possibly defense against other such armed groups that wish to compete with the state).
Also ID for voting being rolled out
Where are the hoards of civil rights lawyers?
Probably counting their money or on holiday in some swanky foreign resort, not having to worry about COVID restrictions, vaccine passports or tests.
Working for the calais dingy divers getting legal aid for their fake right to exist in this country.
All the high profile ‘civil rights’ cases that make the media obviously have hidden financial backers, they don’t seem to work for free even when financially comfortable.
Many poor people are out campaigning and taking action for free for a better world but senior lawyers just don’t seem to care about wider society as long as they are financially comfortable.
Didn’t the unsuccessful Simon Dolan case cost hundreds of thousands in fees and the governments six figure fees also had to be met? some people did very well, whilst we got screwed over by the establishment again.
Discrimination is fine if the right people are being discriminated against.
https://lawyersforliberty.uk/
Anna De Buisseret is standing up for what is right, but in the UK, there is a vacuum of people who actually have functioning souls.
https://www.bitchute.com/search/?query=anna%20de%20buisseret&kind=video
Poor old Nadhim Zahari; chosen as a ‘cutout’ to sell the British people an idea which makes no internal sense whatsoever on behalf of our enemies. Can’t be easy. And the thanks he’ll get for it will be life imprisonment, if he’s lucky.
No, he’ll a knighthood.
The Mag-jab: further revelations of the ‘secret’ ingredients. (link to article for embedded links) https://roguemale.org/2021/09/04/the-mag-jab-further-revelations-of-the-secret-ingredients/ The fraud gets ever deeper – independent analysis reveals mag-jab contents. The horrific reality of the mag-jab that is being pushed by the Big-Pharma Peddlars of Poison is a deadly concoction of lethal ingredients. The contents of the vile vials is subject to a trade secret . Fraud Vitiates All It naturally follows that any and all licensing of the mag-jab ‘granted’ by state-controlled agencies like the MHRA and the CDC is a criminal fraud. Why? On the basis the companies that produce the death shots have failed to disclose the full contents of their phoney ‘vaccines’ (which are not vaccines, in any real sense). However, we live in times of great revelation and the independent analysts known as The Scientists’ Club are busily engaged in the identification of the contents. The PDF of their findings is available at the foot of this page and it makes for disturbing reading: In our random sampling of COVID19 vaccines, we have found preliminary evidences of the presence of nanoparticles of potential toxicity that are not declared in the technical data sheets of manufacturers, such as graphene oxide and… Read more »
One must distinguish between accidental manufacturing contamination and deliberate ingredients. It probably depends what ‘lipid nanoparticles’ includes.
I read from a US forum that the ingredients can remain secret as long as the emergency authorisation lasts. But as soon as they get approval they must be listed, probably same as for other OTC or prescription drugs.
Perhaps meeting these rules before it’s approved as ‘safe’ is proving to be rather troublesome.
Also in this country the MHRA and NHS will have misled up to 45 million people into thinking that
a) they’re being injected with an approved product
and
b) the MHRA and NHS are aware of the ingredients and have passed them as safe.
Dissolve this rotten Parliament. It is a disgrace!
Too polite calling it a disgrace! It’s a Government made up of pathological liars, greedy bastards, immoral bastards and criminals. They also have no opposition because Sinister Starmer hasn’t a clue about Politics and is, himself, a wannabe Dictator.
They all say they don’t want to do X. They all claim it goes against what they believe. That they have such a heavy heart, but…..
Doesn’t stop them doing it, does it?
Didn’t Zahawi say, not that many months ago, that the vax pass would not be introduced, and that the interviewer could hold him to that?
Has he forgotten? Where’s the interviewer to hold him to that? Or is it like 1984, where people work at rewriting the past? Why has no-one the guts to start asking these questions and damn well holding government ministers to account? Why is just everyone rolling over?
Because the MSM have been bought off and are in on the power kick.
Always bring trouble, our freedoms should not be removed on someone’s whim.
If there is a cabinet reshuffle, Zaharwi should be made Minister for lies. But wait, there might be too much competition.
There is only one plausible explanation: someone else is pulling the strings. In the UK and everywhere else.
Globocap and I’m sick of repeating myself.
https://odysee.com/@LongXXvids:c/Ernst-Wolf-speech—summary:3
To see who is pulling the strings – no wonder Boris is scared.
I don’t agree. We are talking about power mad politicians. Johnson could remain independent as the President of Sweden did and Governers in States in America and African and Latin American Nations. But no, they jump on the bandwagon because they are being bankrolled to a fortune via Big Pharma. They have no scruples, no morals, no care at all for the UK citizens as long as they are o.k. The thing is, I smell desperation especially when I see what is happening in Israel and Australia. They are desperately pushing all this through under emergency measures. The thing is, they are not saying when all this is going to be lifted are they? TPTB are Johnson and the Government in this case. They don’t have to follow anything but as the FBI say, they follow the money rather than do what is best for the Nation. The MSM are also making hundreds of millions out of this in terms of public funding from the Government which we, the taxpayer pay for. Nothing lasts forever.
More likely Boris is too thick to have opinions or morals of his own. He is not a leader.
Yep. All the leaders are really followers.
He’s a showman, a talented clown act. An experienced liar.
And utterly out of his depth now, you can see it in those haunted eyes,
It’s still likely that they are just desperately trying to cover their ass. Imagine hospitals actually collapsing despite all the vaccinations and other empty promises these morons have made. Then the majority which so far believes it’s all for the greater good might suddenly wake up and pitchfork the politicians. So it makes sense to sacrifice and scapegoat a selected minority to deflect the harm from themselves. Basically, if it goes well, it’s the politicians’ achievement, if it goes shit, it’s somebody else’s fault. Business as usual.
yeah, typically sociopath behaviour. See it in the corporate boardroom all the time. The key thing though is that if you show the slightest glint of teeth they’ll cower away. This is extremely important and the solution to getting out of all of this.