Government Advisers Tell Ministers to Ignore JCVI and Move Ahead with Plans to Vaccinate Children Against Covid
Government advisers are surprised by the Joint Committee on Vaccination and Immunisation’s (JCVI) decision to recommend against vaccinating 12-15 year-olds against Covid and are encouraging ministers to move ahead with their plans anyway. MailOnline has the story.
The independent panel of experts [JCVI], which is made up of professors and doctors who routinely advise the Government on vaccination strategies, cited the fact that the Covid virus presents a very low risk to younger teenagers.
But Professor Chris Whitty and the UK.’.s three other Chief Medical Officers are now reviewing the wider benefits of vaccinating the age group, such as minimising school absences, and are expected to present their findings within days.
Professor Peter Openshaw, of the New and Emerging Respiratory Virus Threats Advisory Group (NERVTAG) which advises the Government, told BBC Breakfast he was “a little surprised” at the JCVI’s decision to not back the rollout among children.
“We do know the virus is circulating very widely amongst this age group, and that if we’re going to be able to get the rates down and also prevent further surges of infection perhaps later in the winter, then this is the group that needs to become immune,” he said.
“And the best way to become immune is through vaccination, and there’s never been as much information as this in the past.
“To think there hasn’t been enough research is completely wrong.”
He added: “To my mind, the public health benefit is very, very important, and we have to take the wider view that unless we do get infection rates down amongst this particular part of the population, it will be very, very hard to prevent further large recurrences (of Covid).
“I would say that teenagers are often amongst the most altruistic and the most generous people in society.
“They often think very deeply about these moral and ethical issues and they want to protect others as well.
“So I would think that a lot of teenagers, actually, if they see the evidence in the round, would prefer to be vaccinated.”
Vaccines minister Nadhim Zahawi said Sunday that if the Chief Medical Officers recommend vaccination among youngsters aged 12 to 15 then it is “absolutely” the right thing to do, but he said he does not want to “pre-determine” that.
The Government is awaiting their advice before making a final decision but ministers and Health Secretary Sajid Javid are reportedly keen to authorise a wider roll-out.
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There’s so much bullshit in his comments I don’t even know where to start
We need to fight the bullshit. We need to fight like Floridians
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“Professor Peter Openshaw, of the New and Emerging Respiratory Virus Threats Advisory Group (NERVTAG) which advises the Government, …[panic, fear]…virus is circulating very widely …[scaremonger, alarm]….further surges of infection…. public health benefit is very, very important, …. [hysteria, fright] ….very, very hard to prevent further large recurrences (of Covid)”
The face of panic-mongering technocracy, and the exact kind of person we should have learned by now to ignore.
If Mr Openshaw was qualified to make a recommendation he would be a member of the JCVI, but he isn’t. Can we assume his social media will now be suspended for arguing against the scientific consensus?
Well, he’s an immunologist specialising in respiratory diseases but that doesn’t mean it is OK.
Yet he doesn’t know that a) the jabs don’t stop people catching or transmitting the virus and b) the chances of healthy children between the ages of 11-18 dying of Covid-19 are something like 1-in-1million.
I’m sure he DOES know that but has been told to ignore it.
The Titanic was built by a specialist shipyard.
If only the government would hit a specialist iceberg.
Interesting how sinister the acronym NERVTAG is.
Reminds me of SPECTRE.
Meanwhile in Denmark, Sweden, Florida, Texas ….all covid restrictions are being removed or have never been enforced we no threat to those places whatsoever.
This is a government that is hooked on fearmongering and using fear to further its agenda.
This is what tyranny looks like.
Agree. For Perspective…. the cold is circulating very widely… more people will catch a cold….we’re very worried that most people will catch a cold this winter….
Just shows what happens when you provoke fear and panic and change a name!
‘The face of panic-mongering technocracy, and the exact kind of person we should have learned by now to ignore.‘
Most here were probably ignoring that kind of person from the very start of the Covid farce, unfortunately, the government refuses to follow our example.
so asking the JVCI was simply theatre – well there’s a surprise – on with the agenda
This tyrannical Government is pure evil. It has to go.
More than that …
It has to be ANNIHILATED, along with all of the other governments, MSM, scientists, doctors, nurses, Elites, and anyone else pushing this agenda.
A hung parliament in its truest sense.
Agreed! How is the question?
Keep consulting until you find someone willing to give you the answer you want. That’s ‘following the science’ is it?
Rather, the Sci-Fi!
Time to organise and have the conversation with our kids. Personally I think a simple laminated form for our kids to stick under the nose of whichever goon tries to coerce them will do the trick. Something that states they do not wish to be vaccinated and any attempt to persuade them otherwise is coercion and will be dealt with through legal proceedings.
No need for the kids to speak a single word.
Indeed – and make sure said laminated form has mummy and/or daddy’s signatures on it – thereby refusing parental consent.
Containing the relevant extracts from the Nuremberg Code.
It’s normally best to write a document for the jabbee to sign saying they KNOWINGLY INFRINGE THE NURMEBERG CODE SIGNED ….
Get a bureaucrat to take personal responsibility for anything is a great way to stop them
“To think there hasn’t been enough research is completely wrong.”
Err, what about the fact that the trials are incomplete, and that there is no long term data yet…and the Yellow Card Scheme has over a million ADR’s reported, and over 1600 deaths reported after taking the vaccine, NOT being properly investigated!
‘Public Health Benefit’ the only show in town. What do they really mean when they say these words? They mean that we can go on spending inefficiently on the NHS and not put money into things that really make a difference to most people, like more beds, more nurses, more doctors. Re-open local hospitals that can be used as they once were as ‘epidemic hospitals’, so removing the greatest threat , the risk of infection within large multi storey regional hospitals.
Its very ‘un-sexy’ it doesn’t chase the latest ultra expensive procedure that saves a few lives, it just goes to help the health of the majority.
These people would rather inject children with an emergency use gene therapy with unknown consequences than admit they were and are wrong on just about everything to do with this virus. And worse wrong about how to run a properly focused health service in general.
Peter Openshaw…”the public health benefit is very, very important.”
Well that will be news to lots on here.
His comments in just this piece are sufficient to condemn him to the long drop. I hope he has grandchildren – “we’re all in this together.”
surges in infection? The injections don’t stop infection. The wider view? None of this BS is valid
The best way to become immune in not to take the vaccine, especially one that doesn’t prevent infection of transmission, it is to gain it through natural immunity which is how it has always worked. That is the prevailing scientific view and every other interpretation is a deliberate intention to mislead.
If, as Openshaw says, the virus is already circulating widely amongst this age group then a large percentage (possibly all) will have had it and have natural immunity …… which is far superior to the limited prophylactic response to the jabs ….. so they don’t need “vaccination.”
and it could be positively harmful for them on so many levels for them to be vaccinated
https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/2782139
After an infection with SARS-CoV-2, most people—even those with mild infections—appear to have some protection against the virus for at least a year, a recent follow-up study of recovered patients published in Nature suggests. What’s more, this and other research demonstrates that vaccinating these individuals substantially enhances their immune response and confers strong resistance against variants of concern, including the B.1.617.2 (delta) variant.
PO, fella and take your second jab.
Acquired immunity is robust, flexible, and probably lifelong. Blood tests on those who contracted SARS 1 have shown immune response to SARS 2 mqny years later. The experimental gene therapies (none of the current crop meet the definition of a vaccine), are now revealed to probably provide limited symptom amelioration for a temporary period. Effectivity is so good against ‘variants’ that boosters and possibly even daily oral fixes are strongly suggested.
Despite your 77th Brigade briefing notes nothing beats natural acquired immunity!
“nothing beats natural acquired immunity”
I don’t disagree (except of course you have to get the disease). That wasn’t my point. You might want to read my comment again.
I could have told which kind of rubbish this was without reading it: They measured blood antibody levels and “neutralizing ability” of plasma (of a very small number of people) and found that antibody levels waned (as they’rec supposed to) after infection and that re-exposure to the pathogen, this time in its synthetic form, as used the the Corona vaccines, caused antibody levels to soar again.
Put into other terms: A prior Sars-CoV2 infection results in strong immunity against current Corona-vaccines. Homer Simpson would be ashamed of nonsense like that.
The paper suggests that a prior Sars-CoV2 infection results in strong immunity against current Corona-vaccines. This fades a bit and a vaccine will top it up. I don’t see what your problem is with the paper.
War it is.
As this is about vaccines it is as good a place as any to apologise for a couple of errors I have made in previous discussion. I did some more research and realise I was wrong on two counts:
Got that off my chest!
“They did test for infection but that is not the same thing).”
How did they test for infection? Pray tell?
For Pfizer it was a combination of symptoms, PCR Test and test for seropositivity. https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa2101544
I can’t be bothered to look up the others.
I thought this was common knowledge but appreciate the admission.
This is the entire argument against vaccine passports and any type of vaccine mandates.
If that is the entire argument it is rather weak. The fact they did not test for transmission in the trials does not mean the vaccines do not in fact reduce transmission. If they reduce infection, then there is a good chance they reduce transmission.
From the CDC briefing on July 27th
A growing body of evidence indicates that people fully vaccinated with an mRNA vaccine (Pfizer-BioNTech or Moderna) are less likely than unvaccinated persons to acquire SARS-CoV-2 or to transmit it to others.
“less likely” is not robust enough to warrant such an instrusion on civil liberties.
I guess that depends on a) how much less likely b) your values
Not necessarily. Infection still occurs in the nose and throat. The vaccines produce antibodies which protect the lungs. Transmission will mainly be from exhalation, i.e. upper respiratory tract.
Agreed – not necessarily – just likely.
Also not likely: Vaccination can never prevent infection because it’s not some kind of scientific super handsanitizer. It’s supposed to preprare the immune system for eliminating a certain kind of pathogen without prior contact with it.
In absence of infection, vaccines have no beneficial effects. These are supposed to manifest themselves after an infection has occurred.
I guess it depends on what you mean by infection. If
A) vaccines can reduce your chances of being symptomatic (and there seems to be a lot of evidence the current batch do that – although with decreasing efficacy)
B) symptomatic people are more likely to transmit than asymptomatic – which I think most people on this forum would accept
If follows that vaccines reduce your chances of transmission. Right?
I guess I’m meaning infection with infection: Something a test for Sars-CoV2 can detect. I’m also pretty certain that that most people on this forum would not accept that healthy people are a dangerous health risk to other healthy people. In fact, I’m also pretty convinced that demonstrably sick people are not a dangerous health risk to other people. Coughs and sneezes spread diseases already didn’t impress me much before the preferred remedy for that was turn countries into prison camps. Mostly because it ain’t gonna help.
I guess I’m meaning infection with infection: Something a test for Sars-CoV2 can detect Ok. In that case I will use the term “symptomatic infection” to refer to someone who not only tests positive but has symptoms. I’m also pretty certain that that most people on this forum would not accept that healthy people are a dangerous health risk to other healthy people. Sure – but we are not talking about healthy people – we are talking about people with symptomatic Covid. I’m also pretty convinced that demonstrably sick people are not a dangerous health risk to other people. Do you mean just for Covid or in general? If in general, it is clearly false. If you have smallpox or ebola then you are a very serious health risk to others. If just Covid, is that because you don’t think sick people pass the disease on to others or because you don’t think Covid is a serious health risk? If you don’t think sick people pass the disease on to others then how do other people get it? If you simply don’t think Covid is a dangerous disease then I disagree but it doesn’t change the point that vaccines limit symptomatic infection… Read more »
‘indicates = suggests’ and ‘less likely = possibly’. Is that research from the University of Maybe?
“indicates” is a pretty good synonym for “suggests”. So what?
I don’t get the equation of “less likely” and “possibly”. If you replace “less likely” with “possibly” you get nonsense: are possibly than unvaccinated persons .
The whole Gert Van Den Bosche nightmare scenario is predicated on the fact that we are vaccinating with non sterilising medicines when prevelance is still high.
Can you explain that in more detail (or better give a link)
It’s OK. It was easy to find the scenario and at least one response:
https://37b32f5a-6ed9-4d6d-b3e1-5ec648ad9ed9.filesusr.com/ugd/28d8fe_266039aeb27a4465988c37adec9cd1dc.pdf
https://www.mcgill.ca/oss/article/covid-19-critical-thinking-pseudoscience/doomsday-prophecy-dr-geert-vanden-bossche
Have you read the response?
Skimmed it – yes. But really haven’t studied either the paper or the response. That’s for tomorrow.
I read it but found the argument very hard to follow. This is what I think he is arguing (but I am very open to being corrected):
Using vaccines during a pandemic will simultaneously:
Suppress our innate immune system
Evolve a variant that
escapes all vaccines (current and future)
escapes our adaptive immune system
is far more deadly than current strains of Covid
Thus creating a global disaster.
But I can’t see any evidence in his paper for any of these propositions.
I found this response which is easier to understand than the first one I linked to.
To quote:
I’ll be blunt: there is very little within this letter that is even close to being correct, and there is almost no evidence presented to support any of its claims. I’ll now go through it point-by-point to explain where it’s wrong.
McGill – funded by…. wait for it…
The Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation.
https://www.mcgill.ca/research/research/funding/international
So what? Surely what matters is whether it is correct?
He’s a pro-jab propagandist. Best just to ignore him.
https://odysee.com/@BretWeinstein:f/darkhorse-podcast-with-geert-vanden:b
This interview is the best one.
Thanks for the link but the interview appears to be nearly two hours long which is more time than I am prepared to invest based on the quality of his writing.
If you have to have something that might kill you to help others how far away are we from ‘it’s only one kindey, you have two and the greater good only needs one of them’.
Scary times.
Some people do have kidney transplants from living donors, also partial liver transplants are possible from living donors (the liver can regenerate).
Those people who have, up to now, been living donors have VOLUNTEERED to donate their organ, or part of an organ, to help someone who is ill. Do you not get that what Paul B is saying is that next time the state decides to MANDATE medical treatment for one of its citizens [because mandating jabs is working so well that even kids are to be jabbed] it could be an organ transplant it is mandating from someone who is not a willing donor – the whole the state now owns your body argument???
Peter Openshaw – there’s a tumbril with your name on it, you lying bastard.
One last taxpayer funded ride..
Latest research using the New Normal Medical methodology has revealed important details about serious disease in the past. This figure is probably well known to many people.
http://hosted.lib.uiowa.edu/histmed/plague/image-gallery/image11.jpeg
It turns out he was actually an early advocate of New Normal Medicine. He was actually wearing the mask to protect others from the disease he thought he was carrying even though he was asymptomatic. He was driven mad by the persistent refusal of others to follow suit.
Has anyone got a simple article I can send normies to stop them getting their kids vaxxed?
Not some off guardian think piece or something…something very basic and clear?
Apart from the JCVI saying its not of any personal benefit to them, the idea of them being suoerspreaders is also a complete lie.
https://adc.bmj.com/content/105/7/618.info
Also Long Covid lies:
https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.06.22.21259273v1
No risk to kids
https://www.wsj.com/articles/in-children-risk-of-covid-19-death-or-serious-illness-remain-extremely-low-new-studies-find-11625785260
US data is over counted, JCVI following the science.
https://www.wsj.com/articles/cdc-covid-19-coronavirus-vaccine-side-effects-hospitalization-kids-11626706868
Myocarditis in Children with Pfzier
https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamacardiology/fullarticle/2783052
What’s the rationale for vaccinating children for COVID-19? Where’s the data, the science that would support this move? We see none, and we think it’s dangerous.
https://pastebin.com/avGHcwus
Also visit the Hart Group and Doctors for Covid Ethics websites for further info.
Just ask them to show THEIR data too. The burden always seems to be on us to do the leg work.
Depends on what you think might swing them? I find a whole list of facts sometimes looks a bit overwhelming and starts to look a bit “anti-vaxxy” which actually turns people off. It’s just too much of a rabbit hole that their minds aren’t ready for yet as the cognitive dissonance is too great.
Personally I think that the myocarditis issue is enough in itself. Heart muscle is incapable of repairing itself. End of. I don’t care if they say that it resolves itself. Yes the pain and fatigue may go away but the lifetime damage is done.
‘Follow the Science’ they said. Over 18 months of Non-Science – I can only presume they are now getting desperate. It looks like they’re winning. They’re not. Every lie they tell is another nail in their collective coffins. Updated information, resources and useful links: https://www.LCAHub.org/
I’m sitting here in a soft play venue with my own two kids. They are rolling all around the other 50 or so in the place.
Openshaw should take a trip to these places and tell me where these body bags are.
He comes for my kids, he better have something more than the bullshite he’s peddling in that article.
Amen.
So they’re not even pretending to follow the science now?
Meanwhile, some muppet of a football manager who got “Covid” is recruited into a campaign to encourage (coerce?) healthy young sportsmen into having a “vaccine” they don’t need – and never mind about the Irish footballer who died after taking a “vaccine”.
Any news on the under-19 player who collapsed last Thursday evening in the FA Youth Cup tie between West Bridgford and Boston United and failed to respond to the defibrillator three times? All quiet on that front.
The BBC reports he died. See my posts on the new news round-up. Things seem to be getting clearer…
The (albeit condescending) reference to teenager altruism is the tell, of course: teenagers should be made to take the risk in order to protect us adults.
ok. So now you’ve (accidentally) revealed your real reason: explain how a leaky vaccine in a teenager protects a leakily-vaccinated adult.
im listening…
Except there are a lot of sensible adults that aren’t asking teenagers to risk their lives to protect them. Only vaccine fanatics/victims of government propaganda think that kids need to be jabbed so that the rest of us are safe.
agreed. my point is just that the argument against is both ethical and practical.
Anyone concerned about their legal rights should schools try to ‘vaccinated’ their children, please see this Unity News Network interview with Anna de Buisseret: https://www.bitchute.com/video/Ku3Abhtq10Dy/.
“And the best way to become immune is through vaccination, and there’s never been as much information as this in the past.” WTF? So these guys are advising the country and they can’t see what is happening in Israel and everywhere these death jabs are going? These guys are immune to science and analysing data. My letter to the school today Dear XxxI hope you both have had a restful holiday. We all had covid this July and recovered without issue (Xxx resisted the virus in keeping with healthy boys of his age). But otherwise, we have managed to get some good times with our boys home.In light of the imminent return of xxxx to school, I wanted to make it clear before the term begins that we will continue to reject the asymptomatic testing regime for Xxxx. This includes any entry tests or tests to return to campus. We will not consent to further testing. He has spent most of these past two weeks at home with us healthy as can be.Should he exhibit any symptoms of concern to you, then please inform us and we can deal with things as necessary.If this is a problem do let us know before the… Read more »
Yeah, I was going to say that everyone knows that these vaccines do not give immunity – they only lessen severe disease. So he is deliberately giving out misinformation, not to mention, moralizing the vaccines. It is so disgusting.
I simply do not and have never given consent for any testing of the kid (ie said NO on the consent form). I don’t need to give a reason or explain anything. And this goes to the heart of it – without testing, the only kids with a virus are those at home actually sick (like all other years of our lives). Of course my action will apply to this vaccine. I have also spent the last 18 months informing my kid about the truth as it has unfolded. She will become an adult and the only hope we have of overthrowing the globalist technocratic shitheads who have infiltrated and merged the entire corporate govt complex.
Excellent!
Here’s a suggestion for minimising school absences: keep the schools open and don’t let the teaching unions force children to stay at home and miss out on their education. We could see what effect that has.
…….and stop testing!
Lies, lies and more lies.
There are no words to describe the moral depravity of the current government.
The last five PMs have progressively destroyed everything they have touched: I am so glad I am not amongst the younger tranche of serf-bots being trained up to do their master’s bidding for the rest of their, doubtless increasingly miserable, lives.
WAYNE ROOT: The Government and CDC Are Lying About Covid Vaccine and Ivermectin. The Question is Why?
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2021/09/wayne-root-government-cdc-lying-covid-vaccine-ivermectin-question/?utm_source=Gab&utm_medium=PostTopSharingButtons&utm_campaign=websitesharingbuttons
This guy Openshaw is lying through his teeth!
Gosh! You mean there’s differing “science”? Whoever would have thought that?