Booster Jabs Risk Permanent State of Lockdown, Says Professor Sunetra Gupta
Sunetra Gupta, Professor of Theoretical Epidemiology at the University of Oxford and a founding member of the Great Barrington Declaration, says there is no case for a full roll-out of Covid vaccine ‘booster’ doses. Writing in the Telegraph, she suggests that while it is “reasonable” to offer the extremely vulnerable a booster jab, “it can be to no-one else’s individual gain to submit to a third jab, having already reduced the risk of severe disease (which was very small in the first place for most) by receiving two inoculations.”
For there to be the collective benefit of herd immunity, the booster would have to provide life-long protection against infection – unless we are willing to accept repeated mass vaccination into the foreseeable future. Aside from being a colossal diversion of limited resources, that would open the door to a permanent state of lockdown as we lurch from one booster campaign to the next.
All of these speculations and ethical entanglements can be avoided by acknowledging that the vaccines have already brought focused protection to those who needed it in the U.K. and that now the best course of action is to rely on natural immunity to maintain and consolidate a normal state of living with this virus. These booster shots should be going into the arms of the many vulnerable people around the world who have yet to receive a single dose. It is shameful that we have not done this instead of pushing vaccines onto those who were in no need of them in the vain hope of preventing the spread of the virus in more affluent countries.
It is also deplorable that it is being argued that we should vaccinate the rest of the world in order to prevent them from remaining a breeding ground for new variants. It is unlikely that a mutant will arise which evades immunity against severe disease conferred either by vaccination or natural infection. It may be better able to cause reinfections which will then allow it to displace the prevailing variant, just as the delta variant has taken over in many places.
However, these ‘take-overs’ do not imply that the incoming variants are hugely more transmissible. It is crucial that we learn to accept that new variants may outcompete established variants but that these will not increase the burden of disease in a population where the vulnerable have been vaccinated or experienced natural infection prior to becoming vulnerable.
In the unlikely event of the evolution of a variant which resists immunity to severe disease, we will have to develop new vaccines tailored to such variants rather than relying upon boosting pre-existing immunity. It is reassuring that the technology is there to do this on a short timescale, as the success of the current vaccines has shown.
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Sunetra Gupta is a very wise lady indeed, she’s been talking sense since the very start, on which she has posted articles remeniscing of the times when she saw covid emerging and how she thought Britain would stay calm and follow the proper precedented procedure. She’s also managed to recognise the clear fact that while vacciens can really help the vulnerable, what society needs to do at large is simply tolerate covid rather than go mad about it. It is about time the government listened to her, scrapped all their emergency powers and jailed the people who planned lockdowns and domestic vax passports. If gov won’t listen to her, well, we definitely won’t be listening to them.
Couldn’t agree more. Why the fat pig dictator has ignored her views and those of Carl Henegan speaks volumes. In contrast Professor Pantsdown is still getting airplay, why?
I would hazard it’s a case of our political leaders being incapable of recognising that empty vessels make most noise
Once you remove personal wealth by making trade for small and family businesses impossible, it’s easier to sell the idea of not having to own anything.
There’s enough sheeple who believe anything broadcasted from 3 letter networks. Global technocracy. Central bank digital money will be dangerous for those who publicly disagree with the agreed narrative. See how the Chinese digital Yuan is being rolled out in 5 cities.
he did make an attempt back in mid September re return to schools but then there was a pushback that gained momentum that lead to the lockdown in November
International Groupthink. Boris surrounds himself with people who reinforce the groupthink and can’t ring himself to listen to anyone who challenges it.
Indeed – the airtime given to Ferguson does speak volumes. The record of ICL modelling is appalling, yet we still see it quoted vastly more than Gupta, Heneghan or legions of other scientists with credibility.
I reckoned 18 months ago that anyone listening to decisions based on the advice Ferguson and his ilk should, prima facie, be ignored, as the probability of correctness was very low.
Have vaccines really helped the vulnerable? If the truth were known, I bet many were helped over the threshold between life and death…. in that direction.
Whilst I agree with many of her views, she might have an interest in certain products, after all, so the claim that it is effective is open to doubt.
I think in her case it’s more likely that she’s either playing safe because to speak out against vaccines would lead to her being deplatformed, or she genuinely believes they are helpful to some, which I think is open to doubt but isn’t as far as I can see definitely untrue beyond a reasonable doubt.
Yes if she said the “vaccines” were as crap as they are you wouldn’t hear from her again. She probably has her fingers crossed when she praises them.
‘It is reassuring that the technology is there to do this on a short timescale, as the success of the current vaccines has shown.’
Words fail me! If she is actually saying this, there is precious little hope for sanity.
There isn’t anything wrong with vaccinations so long as they are done with consent. If we want to win the war against lockdowns and vax passports we need to accept that fact, be supportive of the vaccines (as symptom reduction therapeutics, for the vulnerable, if they consent) and you might get enough support behind you to oppose the tyranny. If you don’t want to ever take the vaccine yourself this is still the best ground to stand on, support the vaccine but stand against tyranny and you’ll never be forced to have it against your will.
Consent requires an understanding of the true risks and benefits. I doubt any of the vaxed fully grasped these. How could they? Rushed shots, paltry data. And an incessant drone advertising “safe and effective.”
“There isn’t anything wrong with vaccinations so long as they are done with consent” I’m not sure this is true even in the abstract, unless you think heroin should be legalised.
1) Consent isn’t what is happening with covid vaccines. It’s coercion of varying sorts.
2) Informed consent is impossible because the required data simply isn’t available.
3) Mass vaccination against what is for most not a life-threatening virus in the middle of an epidemic has never been recommended.
4) The emergency license should never have been granted as it’s not an emergency and there are alternative treatments, which have been largely ignored/suppressed.
5) Anyone who advocates vaccinating the young and healthy against covid is either severely deluded (the general public) or evil (those pushing the policy, who know it’s sinful)
6) Leaving aside covid vaccines specifically, vaccinations are promoted by governments and their agencies in which people place trust. They have to be of proven net benefit to someone, and meet minimum standards of safety, arrived at honestly. Consent is not sufficient – hence my comment about heroin.
great points often missed -plus emergency use also protects against litigation and prevents other treatments from being used (though supposed approval is now meaningless and still limited liability)… – mainly, I love everything about Prof SG But am at odds with her on how these vaccines have ‘protected’ the vulnerable- many Vax deaths and injuries have been these vulnerable and god knows what else is in store. Maybe her loyalty to Oxford is blinding …these do not appear to function as vaccines and frankly should never have been created – early treatments etc. etc. But we know this is the thin end of a much bigger wedge.
The bigger wedge being the profits made by big pharma!!
I was about to add this to my comment – the circumstantial evidence that points entirely to the role of compromised political and financial interests and flashes a massive “WARNING”.
The career pressure put upon Gupta and colleagues cannot be underestimated in this context – and I, too, do not feel sanguine about her acceptance of the narrative about jab efficacy. It seems highly likely that she’s just not picking a fight about that aspect.
A good summary, Julian.
I’d just add one more – the issue of there being no reliable data upon which to base consent – a fundamental violation of the accepted scientific testing regime. Consenting to the jab without this is therefore consenting to the demolition of that regime on an ad-hoc basis. It’s a fundamental breach of bio-security measures.
There is everything wrong with “vaccinations” which have been inadequately tested – as was known before they were EUA, deaths and adverse effects at levels which have resulted in previous EUA “vaccines” being summarily withdrawn ( Swine Flu , eg). This is especially the case where other drugs to treat symptoms WERE available PRIOR to the EUA – thus 100% negating the decision – which have NONE repeat NONE of the adverse effects. Consent cannot be given for the application of a EUA drug to a human being where information about its content, effects, efficacy and side effects is so incomplete….Phase 3 trials are still not completed…. and never to minors without parental consent.
But we don’t know whether they do actually reduce symptoms, or whether that is due to the dominant variant being less dangerous, plus it being summer in Europe.
Precisely. It is notable that the introduction of the jabberwockey was timed to coincide with a totally predictable fall in mortality – and, of course, this decline is attributed to the snake oil. Surprise, surprise!
Trouble is – it also coincides with a sudden rise in mortality before that fall, and a slower general decline than in 2020.
I think all 3 have been contributing
I had the identical reaction!
The madness continues …
Turkey is now giving out fourth jabs …
WTF!!?? Fourth Jab!!! Insanity!! People better start waking up…..fast!
P.S. see my comments on game theory below the DS article (previous post) about Nazi Nicola’s passport plotting, I think this could help people in seeing what we need to do to have a hope of success.
Sunetra, please provide proof that it is “reasonable” to provide the extremely vulnerable a booster jab. I’m sick of this unquestioning cheerleading for the experimental shit that’s killing and ruining the lives of so many.
Among the vulnerable the vaccine “kills” in the way covid has often “killed”, they have had it a short while before they succumb to general old age and ill health. There could perhaps be longer term safety concerns, it is impossible to know for certain what effects something could perhaps have in several years if the trial only lasted a few months, but saying the vaccine is cuasing mass death gets dangerously close to making the statistical error which has allowed the government to inflate covid death figures.
Perhaps because the Spike protein is the common factor. Guess what – when experiments were done on animals with just the spike protein and no other part of the SARS COV2 “virus” , these animals developed the exact same conditions – inflammation of cells and tissue – that Covid 19 ( the disease caused by SARS COV 2) induces – and they all died. Ergo these scientists concluded that the toxic element was…the spike protein. So why on this earth would you inject the self same organism into a vulnerable human, as opposed to using other preventitive anti inflammatory and other drugs in a “suite” targeted way ( ref Dr Peter McCullough and others) , in the hope your (already compromised due to your “vulnerability”) immune system fights off the toxic element – that is sheer bloody madness and intentional – if death results, it can only be culpable homicide. The “vaccine is demonstrably not a vaccine, Pfizer have admitted it is a gene eating therapy in their application for EUA in the States ( ref Dr David Martin).
You are right in general terms re. correlation and causation.
However, what is noticeable is that a sudden upturn in deaths occurs in many countries directly after the jabbing of the most vulnerable.
The proof comes from the Israeli data, thus far (always subject to new data). But it also comes from foundational science that the aged (70+) and immuno compromised (cancer patients) can have immune system incapable of producing a proper antibody response. The use of blood plasma treatments has been documented for years (the American treatment approach with their latest approach is in this vein). But the number of people this actually may (each person is different) help is tiny as a percent of population. Israel’s claim that boosters are why they aren’t seeing greater problems in their Delta wave is, however, subject to some doubt. The fact that numbers began to stop 2 days after boosters started is simply correlation and not yet proved causation. I mention it as “proof” because it does bare further study. Before anyone attacks me, I am firmly against those below 25 (unless other risk factor) being jabbed at all. The risk-reward threshold has not been crossed below that. And I believe boosters should only be given for the very narrow group that may benefit. I’m sorry, I’m not anti-vax like some but I’m also thoroughly wary of pushing a vaccine rather than merely presenting… Read more »
I’m in agreement with you, apart from this :
“And I believe boosters should only be given for the very narrow group that may benefit.”
The benefit to the extremely vulnerable was never properly tested in the early trials, and is just as likely a disbenefit, given the common rise in mortality after the initial jabs.
Like you, I’m not anti vaccination. But I am very wary of the PR narrative that vaccines are a universal panacea, when the actual record is much more patchy and historically questionable.
The universality is in their ability to generate vast revenues.
I can’t believe she said this: “It is reassuring that the technology is there to do this on a short time scale, as the success of the current vaccines has shown.”
No longer any point in consulting Professor Guptra.
There is still every point in supporting Gupta. At no point has she ever suggested anyone should be forced to take a vaccine, or that anyone should be made an un-person for their medical choices, she has been a hero standing up for reason and civil liberties throughout this crisis of government overreach. Please don’t divide our movement simply because you don’t like the fact tha Gupta approves of vaccines for the conestning vulnerable. If you really don’t want one Gupta recognises that it is your choice, this is not the time to be dividing ourselves. We need to put all the support we can behind those competent scientists who oppose lockdowns and tyrannical measures. Sunetra Gupta is still one of the leading voices for sanity.
She’s most definitely not a leading voice for sanity with that statement. In a single sentence she has exposed herself as incapable of doing even the most basic research into whether the ‘vaccines’ are indeed “successful”. A cursory glance at the Yellow Card data should immediately flag to her that the jabs are killing thousands of people and causing massive (often life-changing) damage to millions of previously healthy people. Unknowingly or not she is furthering the evil narrative that the jabs are ‘safe and effective’.
I’ve had it with hyperbole from the Covmaniacs. I really don’t want the same in relation to Gupta from this side of the fence.
I disagree I think she has been a light of common sense throughout. If only the media hadn’t sought to silence her in pursuit of “the science”.
She of course is the one actually doing science, theorise, experiment, refine… logic, evidence and reason… I would like very much for us to rename the “the science” which government uses so we can clearly state every time it is mentioned that what government are doing is not scientific, it is a religious cult.
“repeated mass vaccination into the foreseeable future”. That’s the plan!
If at first you don’t succeed (in killing everyone), jab and jab again!
For there to be the collective benefit of herd immunity, the booster would have to provide life-long protection against infection – unless we are willing to accept repeated mass vaccination into the foreseeable future. Aside from being a colossal diversion of limited resources, that would open the door to a permanent state of lockdown as we lurch from one booster campaign to the next.
That’s exactly the plan, luv.
And your pretty mindless support of the rushed gene therapies against that flu just enables and further advances it.
‘as the success of the current vaccines has shown’. Oh dear, she has drunk the kool-aid: another champion fails!
UK will follow with booster doses like in Israel. Everybody in the end is following Israel. The UK will do it slowly, first boosters for all over 50.That would be the first step in devaluing the present two doses vaccines for the masses. How can you have vaccine passport without requiring a third shot like in Israel? That would be interesting when they roll out the vaccine passport October with only over 50 visiting nightclubs(Perhaps Gove video was a taste of that)
This doesn’t seem to be particularly controversial. As I understand it the JVCI is currently only recommending a booster vaccine for people who are severely immunosupressed. That’s a lot more restrictive than the people who are eligible for the annual flu vaccine.
I see the current drive to get as many people as possible to have the first two doses as a one-off to limit the impact while more and more people gain some level of natural immunity.
It’s never controversial to start with, then the scope creeps.
I am saying the Gupta is not being controversial. Are you suggesting that the scope of what she is claiming will creep?
Hang on one second, why the hell would you inject a spike protein that causes all the inflammatory damage – as determined by scientists who studied the effect of spike protein only ( not the entire “virus” ) in animals to find the self same adverse inflammatory effects that the SARS COV2 induces in humans ( If I remember rightly they used humanised mice cells etc) and concluded that, surprise surprise , the spike protein is the toxic element which causes the inflammation of tissue which is what kills humans. The injected spike protein as I understand, induces the body’s immune system to fight the invading foreign body – how on this earth can it do that if one is “immunosuppressed” – I am evidently no scientist but that is counter intuitive; like pushing a pea up a mountain with your nose – entirely possible in theory but very definitely never been done.
Please tell me where I am going wrong here, in all seriousness?
Let’s be clear
I am no scientist and I am very immune compromised – potentially very severely but in a diametrically opposite manner to you – but even I understand that if a pathologist in Germany finds the spike protein in virtually all organs of the bodies of patients diagnosed with SARS COV2 virus present on which autopsies are conducted, that US scientists find that 18 out 21 chromosomes also show its presence, that the adverse effects including inflammatory responses inducing myocarditis, pericarditis, inflammation in the lungs restricting oxygen uptake, the spike protein is toxic as the German pathologist, Dr Ryan Cole, Dr Richard Fleming and many many more practising medics have concluded from their professional day to day clinical experience. Are you so much better medically qualified that “you know better than they do”, with the greatest respect? You seem to consistently put the opinion that you DO know better…how many patients have you treated or conducted autopsies upon post SARS COV 2 diagnosis, again with the greatest of respect? And since when do you prime an immunosuppressed body with such a toxin, with the bare minimum of prior testing, and no long term adverse effects trials conducted before it is foisted… Read more »
Professor Gupta is no doubt well aware of the dangers posed by use of “leaky vaccines”. No, it’s not great that Pfizer et al can crank out a new “vaccine” at short notice. An endless cycle of “booster shots” is NOT the solution to the so-called “pandemic”. Relying ONLY on the human immune system is the only way we’ll ever get out of the clutches of the pharmaceutical companies.