Drivers Face New Taxes to Help Make Up Cost of Move to Electric Cars
Who will foot the bill for the Government’s ‘green revolution’? The taxpayer, of course. Reports suggest that drivers face new taxes to help make up £30 billion of the ginormous cost of moving to electric cars. The Times has the story.
Traffic jams could paralyse the road network in coming years, a report said this week, with low-emission vehicles, which escape fuel duty, making it cheaper to drive. The report by the Tony Blair Institute for Global Change, a think tank, recommends the introduction of road pricing. Motorists would be taxed on the size of their vehicle and the time they used the roads, with higher charges during peak hours.
The report said that Rishi Sunak, the Chancellor, is facing a black hole of £30 billion in lost taxes because people in electric cars no longer pay fuel duty or vehicle excise duty. Asked whether the Government was considering road pricing, the Prime Minister’s spokesman said that Johnson would not “seek to place burdens on hardworking families”, but added that taxes needed to reflect the rising number of electric cars.
“We need to ensure that the tax system encourages the uptake of electric vehicles and that revenue from motoring taxes keeps pace with that change,” the spokesman said. “We will set out our further plans in due course.” …
The report said that drivers would spend a third more time in traffic jams because of the move to electric cars, costing the economy an estimated £121.5 billion annually.
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Gosh!
But surely government outlay is just given to us by the inexhaustible magic money tree, when it’s used for the Noble Causes espoused by our woke green elites, Those Who Know What’s Best For Us?
Pull the other one! Next you’ll be trying to claim that we live in a world where you don’t get something for nothing. Fascist!
How are the roads going to be continually clogged up, when the average age earning family won’t be able to either afford an electric car or have no way of charging it.
exactly, problem solved, the plebs can take the bus
The one that runs once a week from a place where nobody wants to board it, to the destination no-one wants to reach?
If it makes it there without breaking down.
But all the bloody incompetent decision makers live in London so that’s not their problem
At least if you take the bus then big brother (hopefully) isn’t recording your every move. In order for a road pricing scheme to work every car would have to be tracked by satellite to record where it was and when it was being driven, i.e. your every move would be recorded. This is perhaps the scariest, although least commented on, aspect of such a scheme.
Cameras on all London buses, tracking possible through phones.
The money issue isn’t a problem. The solution is called ‘debt’ and it already makes people have access to things they can’t afford.
Prediction: None of this will make any difference to the weather whatsoever.
Then they’ll say, ‘It’s worse than we thought, so we have to increase restrictions, taxes, etc.’
although it would be funny if they managed to plunge the world into another ice age. “What do you mean cold kills far more people than heat?”
Not “ha ha” funny, mind.
That’ll be because it’s mutated into a delta variant of climate change which is more resistant to the current experimental mitigating measures.
is Gates gimp Blair back in charge?
As Blair is working for Gates, then yes he is back in charge.
Was he ever not in charge? Major was the Prophet of Blair, and everyone since has been a mere acolyte, pushing the exact same Davos agenda.
Finally, they have to prove how the green sham is to be paid, can’t kick it down the “road” anymore. Good luck with mining lithium in using slave labour in West Africa and Bolivia.
I hear there’s a vast amount of rare earth minerals next to the poppy fields in Afghanistan, though China will use them to manufacture solar panels by Uighyur slaves in concentration camps – spot a pattern here? They then get shipped to Europe who cannot compete against
lowno wages workforce. 46% of the worlds poly-silicon, needed to make solar photovoltaic (PV) cells come from China.China are smart enough to know increasing the amount of (intermittent) wind turbines and solar into the energy mix is a disaster. Thats why they are building coal power plants at x3 than any other nation.
If it wasn’t for Covid, this would be the biggest transfer of wealth scandal. Third could be the demonisation of Cholesterol.
Don’t worry we put internal tariff’s (income tax on productivity) so high they’d never be able to compete even if Chinese slaves did get paid wages
China are also smart enough to know that the West are intent on destroying their economies with net zero and so pretend to play along by making vague promises to start reducing emissions after 2030 so the idiots such as Boris, Biden etc. continue with their insanity, leaving the Chinese as the only remaining economic super power.
The Chinese seem pretty smart, shame they weren’t smart enough to know that it’s a bad idea to start messing around with highly contagious bat viruses when you can’t contain them. Unless, of course, Covid was part of their plan to destroy rival economies by convincing the idiots in charge everywhere else to introduce pointless ruinous lockdowns.
Another fuck up in the making and surprise, surprise satanic Bliar is involved.
Yet another example of carefully-considered planning and decision making. Get some spads, experts, think tankers, lobby groups and anyone who wants to make a fast buck to dream up cockamamie ideas, write them on slips of paper and put them into the lucky dip barrel. The King of the World and Carrie Antoinette then draw them.
Take money from poor people, send to the rich…
It’s green redistribution AKA neo-feudalism.
The vehicle registration field that popped up in the “now you see them, now you don’t” NHS app schema earlier in the year, along with NI and convictions looks quite handy for this sort of snoopery.
The ‘Green’ energy policy of this government ranks alongside Swift’s scientists attempting to extract sunlight from cucumbers.
Oh, and a cursory read of the books on EMF and the impact on health would stop anyone wanting to drive electric cars and have solar panels on their houses!
Several years ago I advised my brother not to get solar panels because of their known side effects. But him being an electrical engineer and also very greedy he knew better. He is now totally gaga, perhaps a coincidence, perhaps not.
of course still no agenda at play here…Green, Covid, Green, climate, Green, Covid.
FFS.
Can someone take the blond mimmsy outside and drive over his head with a heavy truck carrying diesel!
Now, now, he is our elected leader after all. More of us voted for the Green Radical Collectivist (“Conservative”) Party than for any of the other parties.
I do wish that we’d get it through our skulls that we don’t vote for parties, but for individuals. While I’m in fantasy land, I’d just take party affiliations off the ballot paper and oblige the rote block voters to put in 5 minutes of effort to find out who they’re actually meant to be voting for.
“I do wish that we’d get it through our skulls that we don’t vote for parties, but for individuals.“
I get where you are coming from (it’s a point I’ve made myself for decades), but the harsh reality is that most vote by party affiliation. Hence “donkey constituencies”.
I’ve argued in the past for the prohibition of national political party organisations.
As I’m sure you are aware, my comment was directed at the dishonest misrepresentation engaged in by the “Conservative” Party.
“Party affiliations’ ..I read and liked that Fairy Story. I feel that political parties in their current form are “dead” ie useless and we are marching headlong to a multi organisational ballot box in the future. I cannot see how this country has benefited from the “traditional” political party since WWII..
It might be better to drive over his wife’s head. When it come to eco-lunacy, and quite possibly a lot else, it’s obvious who wears the trousers in that relationship/is actually running the country.
Road pricing is an interesting one. Essentially fuel duty meets most of the requirements of road pricing, it’s proportionate to how far you drive, how big/economic your car is, & to some extent how economically you drive your car, the only thing it isn’t flexible to is time, when you drive your car.
While we were in the EU the big problem with road pricing was discrimination, you can’t charge a different amount to people from one EU country than another, a visitor from France, or wherever, wouldn’t have the kit to allow them to be charged, thus someone would be discriminated against. Leaving the EU makes this easier but you will still have the problem of foreign registered cars avoiding the charges or paying a one off fee on arrival in the UK. Another Border Force task to set alongside passports, vaccine passports etc, then how to get the driver to extend the charge if they overstay their initial period of cover. It isn’t as easy as you might think.
Always wondered why the UK does not have a hypothecated Tourist Tax….just like almost everywhere in Europe which we have happily paid and used to our advantage many times
See what happens? Vote Tory, get Tony!
Democracy is a fallacy in the UK. We have one party, the Westminster Party with different coloured factions within it. I find it incredible that people continue to legitimise this corrupt system by voting for any of them.
If you think Labour is any different, think again.
Read my comment a little closer…
Fine, fair enough.
Absolutely!!
“We have one party, the Westminster Party with different coloured factions within it” Indeed. To understand just how deep is the pit we are in, consider the profound long term harm being done to US society and to conservatism by just one RINO US Senator collaborating with US Democrat regime restructuring of the US judiciary, to push their destructive and evil radical goals and ham-string any future elected resistance: Tucker Carlson: Lindsey Graham has helped Biden reshape the federal judiciary We (some of us) can be aware of that because there is residual resistance to these goals in the US Republican Party, via “populist” Republicans, and that is reflected in some US media coverage. There is still some genuinely conservative political representation in the US, which is no longer the case in this country. In the UK, the “Conservative” Party is basically an entire party – certainly as far as the hierarchy is concerned – of Lindsey Grahams, not representing conservatives at all. They, like the “Labour” Party, represent the established globalist elites, and any occasional pretence at conservative views is purely to cajole the dupes through the electoral process hoops every few years. And there is no prospect of… Read more »
Things are so bad that most British people (certainly most I know) think that the Tories are genuinely right wing. The political window all throughout Europe is shifted very far to the left, such that the political centre is somewhere in the neighbourhood of socialist democrats.
Yes, on almost all of the important issues.
Too many think that left/right is purely defined by an arbitrary “centre” position pinned at what the current elite consensus is. Too many others are only able to conceive of left/right in basically outdated Marxist/socialist nonsense terms, of ownership of means of production etc.
Meanwhile the now global elites proceed to destroy lives, communities, institutions, societies and nations, wholesale, in pursuit of rebuilding humanity better, to create their idea of heaven on earth – the very essence of leftist radicalism for centuries (long before Marx).
I personally think that the current left/right paradigm is flawed and inherently deceitful. It divides the political spectrum between tyrants on the left and tyrants on the right. Where, exactly, should one go if one doesn’t like tyrants? Answer: nowhere. This political axis is meant to distract the people from the only thing that matters: freedom, especially from the government.
Yes most people are seeking a coercion-minima.
Don’t want to be mugged by hoodie wearers, don’t want to be mugged by bureaucrats either.
Depending what you mean by “the current left/right paradigm”, I think that’s fundamentally wrong – left/right is basically eternal, reflecting an inherent split between radicals (those who think that they or their Great Leader know how to reform society and humanity to Build a Better World) and conservatives, who regard such schemes with suspicion and resist any such directed change, unless it’s to move back to a former, better norm. It is in this sense that we have seen the long triumph of the left, during the long C20th. So the split is eternal, but the context for it changes. In some societies and situations, it is beneficial for the left to be on top for a while, in some the converse. An extreme dominance of either is probably always bad. In the early C20th it was arguably best to be on the left. In the latter C20th, the left was the problem, not any solution to anything. And today the left are dangerous zealots, and we desperately need some reversals and stability. There are other usages for left/right, granted, and these usually overlap with mine in various ways. I recall Julian iirc posting a link here to a good… Read more »
So… according to you, where does the most extreme, anarchic free market fall? Left? Right? In the middle?
Taking Scalia’s four axes, a person advocating such would be of the left under connotations 1, 3 and 4, and of the right under connotation 2. Connotation 3 is mine, here.
(What you describe is anarcho-capitalism, a position I’ve personally been very close to at times, and it tends to be regarded as of the right, notwithstanding the above, mostly I think because its adherents in the C20th tended to focus on the capitalist/socialist split in response to the dominant state socialism).
Cool. Now explain to me how a right wing authoritarian like Hitler is anything like anarcho-capitalism.
What they have in common is what makes them both leftwing, in my definition (Scalia’s third connotation) – a utopian ideal and a willingness to try to change the world to bring it about.
I don’t think capitalism makes any utopian claims. Furthermore, by that definition, everything other than nihilism is left wing. If a classification system does not discriminate, it is useless.
Is it your view then that anything other than actively trying to make society conform to a constructed fantasy of a better world represents nihilism?
Because that’s not how I see the world.
“I don’t think capitalism makes any utopian claims.”
Capitalism at root is just property rights – the rest is Marxist nonsense. What you were talking about (at least as I interpreted it – not unreasonably, I think) was not “capitalism”, but anarcho-capitalism, a fantastic New Order of supposed stateless liberty that has never yet existed. That is clearly utopian fantasy (which is not to say that moving towards it might not be sensible in an otherwise heavily state socialist world).
It is my view that other than nihilism, most any other system is trying to change the world in one way or another. Even if your world view is “I want to be left alone to live my life – I won’t bother you, you won’t bother me” is still trying to change the world. Furthermore, at its root, capitalism is no government and a free market. Property rights is only a part of it. Marxism, by its nature, implies some sort of centralized power, even if it is in the hands of the workers, as well as coercion. Marxism and capitalism are pretty much opposed. One calls for enforced equality and the other for absolute freedom. Not sure where you came up with the idea that capitalism involved marxism in any way, and I would appreciate it if you’d explain. A utopia implies a perfect society. I don’t think anyone has ever said anarcho-capitalism is a perfect society. It is brutal. You are on your own. You have the ultimate freedom and no protection. That does not sound like a utopia. It doesn’t say you will want for nothing, it says you will need to work for everything. So… Read more »
“Even if your world view is “I want to be left alone to live my life – I won’t bother you, you won’t bother me” is still trying to change the world.“ Here is one root of our difference on this, then. I disagree. Getting on with one’s own life is not what I mean by having a utopian ideal and a willingness to try to change the world to bring it about. It might be a radically anarchist personal position if it disregards the established laws and norms of one’s society, but it’s not trying to change that wider society, beyond one’s own boundaries. “Furthermore, at its root, capitalism is no government and a free market. Property rights is only a part of it. Marxism, by its nature, implies some sort of centralized power, even if it is in the hands of the workers, as well as coercion. Marxism and capitalism are pretty much opposed. One calls for enforced equality and the other for absolute freedom. Not sure where you came up with the idea that capitalism involved marxism in any way, and I would appreciate it if you’d explain.” As I wrote previously, capitalism is really just property… Read more »
Getting on with one’s own life is not what I mean by having a utopian ideal and a willingness to try to change the world to bring it about. I didn’t say it is a utopian ideal. But it does represent a willingness to change the world, even if this change in the world means moving to a remote location and setting up signs everywhere. Furthermore, what if you live in a place like North Korea where being left alone is not an option? but it’s not trying to change that wider society, beyond one’s own boundaries. In my opinion you are splitting hairs. Now we’re arguing about what is the minimum amount of change that can be considered changing the world. The idea of “capitalism” as a political structure was pretty much invented by Marx in order to have something to contrast his system with The idea of capitalism was invented by Adam Smith long before Marx was even born. So I think we’re using our terms rather differently here. Very possible. “Capitalism” says absolutely nothing about freedom, beyond property rights.Again, what you seem to be thinking of as “capitalism” is some kind of wider system that incorporates property… Read more »
“In my opinion you are splitting hairs. Now we’re arguing about what is the minimum amount of change that can be considered changing the world.” The issue here was with my definition of leftwing as “having a utopian ideal and a willingness to try to change the world to bring it about”, and your assertion that such a definition would include anybody not a nihilist, including anybody who just wanted to get on with his own life and leave others alone. I think it’s clear that my definition is not intended to apply to anybody who “changes the world” around himself, it applies to those who seek to change their societies wholesale. “The idea of capitalism was invented by Adam Smith long before Marx was even born.” Adam Smith, iirc, never used the term, because as far as I’m aware it didn’t exist in his time. Smith wrote as an economist about the consequences inter alia of property rights and exchanges in a reasonably free society. Again, Smith was not promoting any social system, later called “capitalism”, either. “My understanding of capitalism is the removal of government interference and control from the economy. In other words, whilst a free market… Read more »
I have stated often that I am a “true” anarchist…we do not need “governments” as defined and foisted on us currently….
Agreed 100%
I’d characterise it as the Davos Party – we’re not run from London any more, and haven’t been since Major.
I kinda predicted this will happen, and it will only get worse. Here’s the game plan: Convince people to buy electric cars by subsidizing electricity and the cost of buying a new electric car. Expand the infrastructure (but only in cities) to make it more attractive for commuters to buy electric cars. People will add up the numbers and will realise that it is cheaper to have an electric car than a petrol or a diesel. When a critical mass of people have electric cars, start making it harder for people to buy normal cars by increasing taxes. This will have the added benefit of converting even more people to electric. Most people won’t complain cause they already have electric vehicles and the taxes don’t concern them. They will even applaud the increase. When most people have electric vehicles, announce that the subsidies are too expensive and cut any and all subsidies. At this point, most people will realize that electric cars are suddenly more expensive to own than petrol or diesel cars. But they cannot go back because ICE cars are suddenly a luxury item and only the very rich can afford them. People will depend more and more… Read more »
Makes traditional organised crime look like amateurs.
“What, actually pay yourself for the loss leaders you put out to hook the joes? Pah! A real pro has him pay for that himself, as well, and say thank you for the opportunity.”
The government is merely the winning organised crime gang in an area, plus a lot of time and PR.
You have taken the words right out of my mouth.
That’s basically their wet dream. People being steered into their own incarceration without even knowing it..like turkeys voting for Christmas.
Just another way to tighten the grip around the UK’s throat.
The obvious solution would be to charge electric vehicle owners with road tax too wouldn’t it?
Why do that though when you can introduce some new fangled expensive gadget with which to further encroach on the privacy of the electorate.
What a stunningly misleading headline. The Times article is how to replace the taxes that are currently charged for petrol and diesel cars when we move to electric. There is no discussion of additional taxes. Additional taxes may be necessary but they are not what this article is about.
I suppose you’re still waiting for the Napoleonic war to be over…
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Can someone explain? Perhaps one of the people who gave this comment a thumbs up.
Presumably a reference to the origins of income tax in the UK.
Thanks. The headline is still daft.
There are some crazy statistics regarding this. Apparently all of the domestic appliances on standby in the US costs as much in CO2 as all of the cars in the US – 350 million of them. That and the fifteen biggest container ships in the world emit more CO2 and Sulphur dioxide into the atmosphere than all of the cars in the US…
Of course it’s a scam. Quoting something I recently listened to, going after cars is like farting in the general direction of a hurricane and expecting it to make a difference.
“the fifteen biggest container ships in the world emit more CO2 and Sulphur dioxide”
It is only SO2 not CO2 (shipping in total only creates about 3% of global CO2) and it was a thought experiment comparing the worst possible container ship with the best possible car. The lesson is that ships need to clean up their act.
http://www.oldsaltblog.com/2021/04/no-sixteen-large-ships-do-no-pollute-more-than-all-the-cars-in-the-world/
CO2 is plant-food, it’s not a pollutant.
Absolutely. No CO2 no plants
PRECISELY!!!!!!!
It also feeds humans, directly and very essentially as we all know. For me , this is the one “killer fact” that scuppers any and all regime bent arguments for “Climate Change” and related bollox – on top of the revelations about skewed data, missing data from graphs presented to “prove” their case ( cannot recommend “Real Climate Science.com” highly enough ) inconvenient facts about ice coverage, incidence and strength of tornados, wild fire burnt acreage and high temperatures – the list is very very long. Mrs Merton would have a field day skewering the anti CO2 mob as it is so easy to do; FFS why does this point not appear on any UK media mainstream or not ( OK so I am tad naive ) – I desperately want to see these Climate Change jerks squirm – starting with John Selwyn Gormless and his “bastard love child” Greta – as they argue the unarguable, and especially when the interviewer induces the fact ” they” confirm they are vegan/vegetarian ( or not, as that would be another bullet to fire ) as the first question.
Of course some CO2 is essential – that doesn’t mean there isn’t a limit where it does more harm than good.
Expand on “more harm” precisely what harm is done and why?: last I read was that CO2 ppm are, at the very least, at the lower end of the “desirable” scale; but “don’t take my word for it”, I am not a scientist.
I recommend the following:
Richard Lindzen https://youtu.be/X2q9BT2LIUA
Robert Carter https://youtu.be/X2q9BT2LIUA
William Happer https://youtu.be/CA1zUW4uOSw
CO2 is demonstrably greening parts of this planet previously under desertificiation threat; historic CO2 levels in millennia past were present with global temperatures much lower than we experience in modern times. And if you eat vegetables in any quantity especially from Holland – guess what – they infuse CO2 into their greenhouses at much higher levels than the “440ppm norm” in 2021 – and that produces bigger vegetables and more of them!!!.
I have no “CO2″/ “Climate Change ” agenda – but I do understand when what is being spewed out as “settled” science is… lets just say very very very “wide of the mark”, in the interests of decorum.
Harm includes (but is not limited to):
But this is not news
I would like to know about the times when CO2 levels were higher and temperatures were lower. Can you give examples?
I have listened to enough Lindzen/Carter/Happer thanks. They raise interesting points but they have all been addressed by the wider scientific community.
Well if you have listened to “enough Lindzen/Carter/Happer” their scientific backgrounds and knowledge obviously do not fit your personal agenda; what do you think has happened to crop production, nose dived with rising CO2? 43March 7, 2021New NASA satellite data prove carbon dioxide is still GREENING the Earth Coral reefs don’t seem to be suffering off Australia despite all the scare stories. Weather events getting worse – don’t think so but then 24 hour news and TV is a modern phenomenon. Extreme weather – ummm possibly not: Extreme Weather in 2020 (pdf); When was the extreme weather in the US “worst” – for heat/tornados …?1990’s/2000’s? Decidedly not by looking at official records from the US. Oceans acidic – ummm, http://junkscience.com/2015/12/exclusive-ocean-acidification-not-a-current-problem-top-noaa-scientist-insists-in-foia-ed-e-mails/ Any issues with blatant lies? https://www.thegwpf.com/peter-ridd-scientific-misconduct-at-james-cook-university-confirms-my-worst-fears/ When did temperatures in pre history sink and when did they concede with polar ice caps?. But it is your choice what you choose to believe – I would rather see both sides and decide which has verisimilitude and which patently does not; I have no agenda and I read extensively – you are correct about rising seas but linking that to CO2 levels – good luck with that – but then you would probably… Read more »
Current atmospheric CO2 level is ~411ppm, this is only 10% of the level 150 million years ago, had humans not started burning fossil fuels there is no reason to believe the levels of atmospheric co2 would not continue to fall to around 150ppm – when all plant life would die on this planet…. Sure, there is an ‘upper limit’ but plants thrive on a four fold increase of current co2 levels, even if animals would not fair quite as well there is still a long way to go
I don’t think that is quite correct. 150 million years ago was late Jurassic where CO2 was at about 1500 ppm. However, it is true that CO2 levels have been much higher in the past (including levels of 4000 ppm), and the climate has been correspondingly warmer with consequences we would find very hard to live with these days e.g. much higher sea levels.
So yes – many plants would thrive but we would not!
For a detailed discussion see: https://skepticalscience.com/co2-higher-in-past-intermediate.htm
According to a team of energy economists and climate analysts, if every vehicle was electric the global average temperature would be reduced by 0.002DegreesC
I suppose it is, at least, a net benefit, unlike the medical utility of vaccine passports, but you wouldn’t want to live on the difference would you?
£30 billion eh? Well you can multiply that by 10 just for starters. Then, it takes 5 minutes to fill up with petrol and 5 hours to fill up with electricity – even for a short journey, and that is while your battery is new. So on that basis garage forecourts will have to be about 60 times the size they are now to park all the charging cars. That will be green won’t it? Good excuse for work though – “5 hours late, congestion at the charging station” Still none of this is ever going to happen because there aint enough lithium in the world to produce a tiny fraction of the batteries needed and recycling old ones is fiercely difficult and dangerous. So basically personal transport will consist of riding a bike (spit) or walking, so for eco-warriors it all makes sense. Until that is, you ask how food is going to be delivered to supermarkets. And I will lay a wager with anyone right now the cars of government officials and billionaires will be exempt from any such legislation. Maybe even for government advisors too, or else how would they ever be able to drive to Yorkshire… Read more »
You want a road charging plan that doesn’t require massive amounts of monitoring and infrastructure? One that actually measures road use, both mileage, and wear and tear on the road?
Tax tyres based on their width or weight, everything from bicycles to artic shoes.
You drive more, you pay more. You drive harder, you pay more. You put more weight on the road, you pay more.
Problem?
Hint: being simple is the problem, because “road pricing” is really about population monitoring and behaviour control.
This whole electric car business is huge con on the people, in so many ways the figures do not add up, electric cars will never deliver the low cost egalitarian travel freedom that petrol/diesel cars have given to ordinary people. And I do wonder if that is part of the thinking in all this? to deliberately reduce the travel freedoms of ordinary people. Caravanning is a popular pastime for ordinary folk but if you look at the technical details the possibility of using a caravan with an electric car are quite problematic. Electric cars are already around 2 tonnes in weight, if you add a caravan you are getting into issues over total weight and braking as well as which, for those electric cars that are specified to tow a van, as soon as you do that, the range halves. Even if you can get hold of an electric car that can tow a caravan if you try and take that combination from London to Scotland you will probably need to stop and re-charge 4 or 5 times. People will not see that as a viable travel option. That is just one example of how electric cars will never be… Read more »
Wages rose when population pressure fell
PPatel is doing feckall^1/2 to control economically harmful low-wage migration.
Very inconveniently a petrol engine vs diesel of the same power in terms of CO2 output is a fact these nutters don’t like to address. Is it beyond the whit of petrochemical scientists to reduce the NO2 particles in diesel to near zero …….I don’t know but think “not”; if they can invent Graphene Oxide for “use ” in gene based “vaccines”, they can certainly do this.
Savage irony – Caravan weights that cab be pulled are based on the weight of the towing vehicle, the heavier the vehicle, theoretically the heavier the caravan. Ergo electric vehicles can pull heavier caravans…except they can’t as we all know. Type approval not universally sought by electric car manufacturers and big issues remain with powertrains as I read..alll part of the Great Ban On Travel I reckon.
However – I see no solutions to the only use that I can find for lockdown : the revelation of the real and massive amount of urban atmospheric pollution caused by internal combustion at current levels. Forget theoretical climate change arguments – this is real and immediate.
From the buses?
They’re the only ones you cough after cycling behind.
Wow, a proliferation of new coal powered plastic and metal chariots clogging up the roads in even greater numbers than their combustion engined cousins ever could have achieved. Then I expect you are ‘nudged’ to buy a new one within a few years using credit because newer is always better, ain’t that so!? Sounds great for the animals and the trees…
Finally, a government scheme that will not unfairly single out the elderly.
Traffic congestion won’t be an issue after millions are dead from the vaccines.
“The report said that Rishi Sunak, the Chancellor, is facing a black hole of £30 billion in lost taxes because people in electric cars no longer pay fuel duty or vehicle excise duty.”
The report is wrong as usual. Because funnily enough when people don’t spend money on fuel they spend it on something else, which has VAT on it, and the earnings then get paid out as salary which has PAYE on it, which then gets spent which has VAT on it, and so on in a merry dance based on the eternal principle that my spending is your income and vice versa.
Therefore the reduction in fuel duty causes an increase in activity in the economy which then increases VAT, PAYE, corporation tax etc.
Quite why anybody takes any note of ‘black hole’ reports is beyond me. Can’t people do mathematics any more?
Well said Sir!!
Can’t people do mathematics any more?
Well let’s do the maths.
If you spend £100 on petrol about £65 of that goes in tax.
If
then that generates £20 in tax.
The multiplier argument is highly debatable. Money that goes in tax also allows the government to spend more money which goes on salaries etc.
Luckily petrol powered motorcycles will still be legally on sale after 2030. A simple solution to urban congestion.
It was NEVER about the environment, its always about stealth tax. We won’t need lockdowns, people just won’t be able to travel.
Has anyone noticed that Bill Gates has succeeded in his project of blocking out the sun? I haven’t seen a blue sky in east Anglia for several weeks. Global warming…more like global cooling and weather manipulation. There’s nothing like inhibiting sunshine to encourage depression and compliancy..
The British people always talk about the weather but no one is mentioning the elephant in the ‘sky’
Traffic jams caused by batteries running out because, Johnson, not everyone lives in a detached house with a drive and charging point.
I am assuming all this additional electrical energy will come from a magic energy tree similar to the magic money tree?
Closing down consistent energy sources and replacing with intermittent ones is a recipe for disaster. Plus the national grid is not up to shifting much energy around the country.
EVs are an environmental disaster.
https://techcrunch.com/2021/08/22/the-tough-calculus-of-emissions-and-the-future-of-evs/
https://arstechnica.com/cars/2021/08/gm-recalls-every-chevy-bolt-ever-made-blames-lg-for-faulty-batteries/
and EVs apparently also a practical use disaster; suggested by Chevy that you stop charging them at home, stop charging above 90%, stop discharging below ~ 70 miles range, and stop taking them into indoor/underground parking
You ain’t seen nothing yet. Electric cars are still a minority middle class pursuit. The current tax breaks are unsustainable and electric cars are only cheaper to run because they are tax dodgers. My friend has a Tesla 3; his fuel costs have averaged over 10p per mile, more than that for equivalent petrol and diesel cars once taxes are taken off, and he averages 6 hrs charging on Tesla’s chargers per 1000 miles compared with the less than 15 minutes 1000 miles takes me at petrol stations. Due to the extra weight, his car does many times the damage to roads than mine, with that being roughly proportional to the 6th power of the axle weight (a 20% weight increase produces roughly 4 times the damage). As for tax, the government takes some £50bn pa in motoring use taxes and spends £10bn on roads, trousering the rest for general spending. That’s well over £1,000 per car per year in profit, and that excludes all the taxes such as VAT, business rates, income tax etc on cars, parts, maintenance, services and the like. Imagine all the squawking if that goose could no longer be plucked. Some other goose will have… Read more »