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Hugh
Hugh
4 years ago

“Fauci discusses booster shots every five months”.

Elsewhere: “Fauci and Gates have ties to Moderna” (jeremyrhammond).

These conflicts of interest really do need to be made clear.

chris c
chris c
4 years ago
Reply to  Hugh

“Fauci discusses bonuses every five months”.

fixed it for you

Lucan Grey
4 years ago

“Britain is reporting more than 30,000 new Covid ‘cases’ a day, but the public seems to have moved on.”

Yes – because the vaccine reduces the severity of the symptoms so you are extremely unlikely to die. (Rather than just ‘unlikely to die’).

So why should we care about cases any more?

We’ve done as much as we can. Now you make your decision whether to take the medicine or not and then get on with your life.

Cowering in a corner isn’t going to make things any better.

Annie
4 years ago
Reply to  Lucan Grey

You were extreme,y. unlikely to die before the snake oil.

Fingerache Philip
Fingerache Philip
4 years ago
Reply to  Lucan Grey

Exactly!

artfelix
4 years ago
Reply to  Lucan Grey

You were always extremely unlikely to die. The vaccine has calmed the hysteria a touch, which is its most effective impact. The drop in deaths is likely a result more of a) most of the dry tinder dead already of either a respiratory illness or the associated neglect and b) everyone having caught and recovered from it by now, with or without having being jabbed. I’m not entirely convinced – based on the global data I’ve seen so far, that the vaccine is doing much to reduce mortality. Delta is less deadly and more people are immune now seems to be the more important factor.

Mark
4 years ago
Reply to  artfelix

The drop in deaths is likely a result more of a) most of the dry tinder dead already of either a respiratory illness or the associated neglect and b) everyone having caught and recovered from it by now, with or without having being jabbed.”

Also very significant improvements in treatment, after a year and a half’s experience.

Julian
4 years ago
Reply to  Lucan Grey

Well, not everyone has “moved on”. Discussion between one person I know very well (unvaxxed) and a relative of theirs (vaxxed). Vaxxed relative is highly educated and intelligent, works in a senior role in a scientific field, daughter is a doctor: “We (meaning society in general and the vaxxed majority specifically) cannot continue to be slaves of the unvaxxed” – which I took to mean that the unvaxxed are holding them back, putting them (the vaxxed) in danger and taking away their freedoms and stopping us moving on. Some people just won’t leave this alone, egged on by the government, the media, the academic and scientific and medical establishment, celebrities etc etc. There’s no climate of “take the vaxx if you want, otherwise don’t, it’s up to you”.

To be fair I know a few vaxxed people who don’t have that attitude and are against any kind of coercion, most of whom got vaxxed so they could travel. Sadly they have unwittingly collaborated in coercion and in the removal of my freedoms.

artfelix
4 years ago
Reply to  Julian

I’ve always maintained that there is a very, very thin veneer of civilisation that covers the true brutality and viciousness of our species, and it really doesn’t take much to remove that veneer. Intelligence (or education – which is not the same thing at all, although some people think it is) is no emollient for that violent, animal tribalism that exists in everyone and for some people it is even closer to the surface than others. It’s an old-fashioned word, but your vaxxed friend is essentially evil.

Dave Angel Eco Warrier
Dave Angel Eco Warrier
4 years ago
Reply to  artfelix

I’m not sure about the ‘evil’ bit but essentially I agree with your points and have always had similar observations.

artfelix
4 years ago

I use “evil” in the sense that what that term really describes is our unfettered animal instinct to kill or subjugate those we perceive as a threat to the structure of the tribe – the outsiders, those who challenge the accepted order and particularly our own selfish place in it. It’s an ancient and unremovable instinct in all of us that is only kept in check by constructing a societal narrative that convinces us that the tribe is stable and our place unthreatened. It takes remarkably little to destroy that narrative and unleash the true vestigial evil that lives in all of us. We saw it in the 1930s on a grand scale, and many, many times since on smaller scales. We’re about to go big with it again – whether that is deliberate or not isn’t certain – that it will be catastrophic is inevitable.

Dave Angel Eco Warrier
Dave Angel Eco Warrier
4 years ago
Reply to  Julian

Talk about turning the whole debacle on its head. It is absolutely staggering.

Mark
4 years ago
Reply to  Julian

 “We (meaning society in general and the vaxxed majority specifically) cannot continue to be slaves of the unvaxxed” 

Have to agree with artfelix, here. Your acquaintance is functionally evil.

I suppose in the same category as those who supported the Nazis in 1920s Germany – doubtless respectable, well meaning and naive, but allowing themselves to be duped into supporting people and attitudes that will, if unchecked, lead to horror.

If you can picture him or her speaking German, in 1933 he or she would have been solemnly declaring that the Jews are a threat to the German nation that can no longer be tolerated.

Julian
4 years ago
Reply to  Mark

Yes, it’s a kind of evil, albeit I don’t think they know (yet) that they are doing wrong. We won’t ever again have any contact with this person or their family.

What made it worse was that they then tried the “let’s agree to differ, it’s like we support two different football teams and we’ll never each other’s minds” tack, which I found all the more insulting from a person of clearly high IQ as it’s so obviously not the same thing at all in that their side’s view leads to the removal of my freedom and not the other way round. And then they tried to change the subject and pretend they were too busy to discuss further – cowardly, to boot.

Annie
4 years ago
Reply to  Mark

…and referring to the Jews as ‘bacilli’.

Dave Angel Eco Warrier
Dave Angel Eco Warrier
4 years ago
Reply to  Mark

But they would not see themselves as ‘evil’. In fact, it is totally the opposite and they view us sceptics as the ‘evil’ ones who are refusing to be as alturistic as they supposedly are. At best they look at me with pity as if I am some sort of remedial case.

Mark
4 years ago

Of course. Few if any do. Nazi supporters thought they were patriots defending the country against deadly external, internal and political threats.

HelenaHancart
HelenaHancart
4 years ago
Reply to  Julian

Your first paragraoh described a “conversation” I had with a woman, when we were campaigning locally to raise awareness. She called us “anti-vaxxers” she didn’t want to listen to us, after we said we were actually “pro-choice”. We were destroying her life apparently because we were holding back her freedoms, by not getting vaxxed! She was “proud” to be “fully vaxxed” because she’s done the “right thing”. She wanted all children vaxxed but didn’t believe that they were actually going to start injecting them soon! She wanted us banned from society, and didn’t want to work with unvaccinated people ever again, all the while screaming in our faces. Talk about doing the devil’s work. This woman was utterly programmed and literally full of bile. It was quite a lesson into the minds of certain people.

JayBee
4 years ago
Reply to  Julian

The latter are far too quiet about this.

Julian
4 years ago
Reply to  JayBee

I’ve tried to explain it to people but it’s either too late or they just don’t believe non-compliance will make any difference

Lucan Grey
4 years ago

Dividing the world into black and white, good and evil, oppressed and oppressor is naive and dangerous”

Dividing the world into black and white, male and female used to be called “prejudice”.

When did that stop being a bad thing to do?

Moreover people who did that dividing were explicitly not listened to because they were prejudiced. When did that stop being a bad thing to do?

Annie
4 years ago
Reply to  Lucan Grey

When our governments turned into totalitarian thugs.

iane
iane
4 years ago
Reply to  Lucan Grey

You miss the point (as usual), which is about shades of grey. Not that the article is any better.

Gregoryno6
4 years ago

The game has just moved up a level in Lockdownunder.
Victoria’s Chief Health Officer Brett Sutton has been served.

Annie
4 years ago
Reply to  Gregoryno6

Well done, the dissenters.

iane
iane
4 years ago
Reply to  DanClarke

Yep – TPTB show their creativity in this area regularly, using up all their rather limited supply!

DanClarke
DanClarke
4 years ago
Reply to  iane

Creative money laundering

Fingerache Philip
Fingerache Philip
4 years ago

Bus driver spat at for telling a passenger to wear a mask (The metro newspaper).
Whilst not condoning such behaviour, honesty, what did this “jobsworth” driver expect?

SweetBabyCheeses
4 years ago

I never believe all these spitting stories anyway. I think it’s a sneaky ruse that the police use to try to make out like a crime has actually been committed. Under the Health Regulations Act or whatever legislation they hijacked, I reckon “spitting” would cover anyone not wearing a mask aka letting out droplets. The other half of it is the asymptotic nonsense as they have to prove that they had reason to believe that the droplet depositor was sick.

Fingerache Philip
Fingerache Philip
4 years ago

Good and salient point, SBC.

Bella Donna
4 years ago

Oliver is an oasis in a sea of madness. He has his finger on the pulse whilst our government seem to have theirs in their orifices.

Epi
Epi
4 years ago

Neil Oliver thank you for talking so much sense and this totally insane world.

186NO
186NO
4 years ago
Reply to  Epi

And please don’t ever think of going in to politics – you talk too much sense imho.