Are the Vaccines Declining in Effectiveness Against Serious Disease?

Reported positive ‘cases’ have been increasing slightly in the U.K. recently, though the trend appears to be flattening.

United Kingdom

Interestingly, the rise has been concentrated outside England, which has been declining in the last week or so.

England

Scotland has seen the most striking rise, linked it appears to the return of children to school on August 18th.

Scotland

The Scottish surge in ‘cases’ is linked to a surge in testing – it seems that parents have not been testing their children over the summer, and the requirement to do so for school has picked up a load of hidden infections (presumably these children and their families have not been isolating over the summer either).

Scotland

This initially caused a spike in the test positive rate as well. However, as noted by Anthony Brookes (Professor of Genomics and Health Data Science at the University of Leicester, who produced these graphs), the positive rate has been declining for the past week.

It’s instructive to break down the recent trends in England by age. Trends in different ages were very similar until July 28th, at which point they diverged. The 20-40 age group abruptly started rising again, though then peaked again on August 9th and has been declining since. The under-20s slowed to a plateau, spiked from August 14th, peaked again on August 22nd and have been declining since. The over-40s on the other hand started rising again on August 2nd and are still going, despite being the age groups with the highest vaccination rates.

Worryingly, this rise in reported infections in the over-40s coincides with a rise in the proportion of Covid hospital admissions in the over-65s. The drop in the proportion of older people being admitted to hospital had been one of the key real-world indicators of the vaccines preventing serious disease, so to see this going up again raises questions of whether vaccine effectiveness against serious disease is declining.

Data from the Israeli Government has suggested that vaccine effectiveness against serious disease in the over-65s has declined to around 55% in six months, which is one reason they are now rolling out boosters.

In the U.S., President Biden and Dr Anthony Fauci have mooted the possibility of boosters as often as every five months. If people are receiving these injections twice a year every year that significantly changes the risk-benefit calculation. A new analysis by TrialSite News of VAERS data finds that almost 100 times more deaths are reported in connection with Covid vaccines than with flu vaccines, and that the variations across different categories indicate the increase is not a result of stimulated reporting.

Meanwhile, American states continue to demonstrate that Delta outbreaks stop growing and decline without any interventions.

Florida’s reported infections have plateaued at a high level rather than declined so far – though it appears this is a result of increased testing. The positive rate dropped sharply last week, suggesting an epidemic in decline.

Vaccines may help to prevent serious disease and death in high risk groups, though it’s not clear how long this protection will last and thus how the risk-benefit stacks up over time. But in the end what will bring this pandemic (if such it still is) to an end will be old-fashioned herd immunity, built up via infection and robust against the various variants that appear over a number of seasons. In the meantime, the extraordinary measures taken to counter the spread of the disease have shown themselves ineffective or, worse, an impediment to the development of this durable herd immunity.

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huxleypiggles
4 years ago

It is difficult to argue either way on this one given that the injections are definitely not “vaccines.”

JayBee
4 years ago
Reply to  huxleypiggles

And the tests are pretty useless, medically.

Rowan
Rowan
4 years ago
Reply to  JayBee

The tests are political and they wind up the cases at will.

Hester
Hester
4 years ago
Reply to  Rowan

Lots of tests gives the logic behind lots of injections for all, we are steadily being turned into junkies by our Governments. Who benefits?

IanC
4 years ago
Reply to  Hester

Precisely! That is the one huge question here that needs to be asked repeatedly. Who is really benefitting from this farce?
I don’t think you’d have to dig too far.

Lucan Grey
4 years ago
Reply to  huxleypiggles

Why do you want to argue over word semantics? Why does that matter so much?

The evidence is very clear. The medicine has reduced death and illness from Covid overall. It hasn’t reduced transmission that much, but then it was never designed to.

Liewe
4 years ago
Reply to  Lucan Grey

There is no point in a medicine that reduces death of one disease, but causes excess death of other diseases.

Annie
4 years ago
Reply to  Lucan Grey

Have you compared this summer’s Covid corpse counts with last summer’s?
Give it a try.

ebygum
4 years ago
Reply to  Annie

The evidence is far from clear. We are currently in summer, so vaccine efficacy for a respiratory infection won’t even become obvious until the winter months. Before Pfizer spoiled (a sceptic might say on purpose) their own trials there was NO evidence to show a difference in death outcomes, 15 died with the vaccine, 14 with the placebo.
Currently evidence, from Israel particularly, shows that people who are vaccinated are MORE likely to become ill with Delta, than unvaccinated.
It’s also only by modelling that ONS have been able to claim vaccines reduce infections in their latest paper. Raw data show 87% of vaccinated were infected with Delta about the same percentage as people who are vaccinated…i.e NO effect.
The Jury is still very much out on whether the vaccines work, AT ALL, in truth..we will just have to wait and see.

Mike Durrans
Mike Durrans
4 years ago
Reply to  ebygum

Why are you still obsessing about this? Do you count flu in the same manner?
calm down and ignore the liars!

ebygum
4 years ago
Reply to  Mike Durrans

Sorry I’ve no clue what your point is. Obsessed with what? What’s flu got to do with it? I’m calm, and who is lying?

Sandra Barwick
Sandra Barwick
4 years ago
Reply to  ebygum

Very good, ebygum.
Also, the hospitalisations of the elderly – what percentage of people picking up the disease in hospital?
Or arriving with heart events and concurrent Covid?

RickH
4 years ago
Reply to  ebygum

 Before Pfizer spoiled (a sceptic might say on purpose) their own trials there was NO evidence to show a difference in death outcomes”

Yes. I, and others, have constantly emphasized the low absolute risk reduction from early trials – but that also reflects a very small apparent relative risk reduction in terms of actual numbers.

ebygum
4 years ago
Reply to  Annie

Agree, Jan-July 2020 Covid deaths…..41, 220 …no vaccine…
Jan-July 2021 Covid deaths…..56,056 with vaccine….
ONS figures.

Annie
4 years ago
Reply to  ebygum

While the liars are comparing the situation now with the situation last January – peak time for respiratory viruses.

Suzyv
Suzyv
4 years ago
Reply to  Lucan Grey

As others have pointed out, it’s Summer. Respiratory illnesses always go down in Summer. It’s an absolute nonsense to say that these jabs have saved any lives and it’s all based on some computer model- a bit like the predicted 500k deaths. Indeed since the vaccines were introduced deaths have increased. These jabs destroy the immune system. Many people have cancer return that was in remmision after these these vaccines. I don’t call that a good outcome. This illness has a 99.74% survival rate or therabouts and is mild for most. Cancer does not have this survival. I know of lots who have been perfectly fine for 18mths and now after being jabbed have this virus. There is a study in Finland- the jabbed carehome staff are passing the virus to the jabbed ederly residents and it’s killing them. And now we are mandating for carehomes! I am looking for care for elderly relatives and I will be looking for someone unvaxxed and private. These jabs are a complete failure and are actually harming and killing and we haven’t seen anything yet..

Sandra Barwick
Sandra Barwick
4 years ago
Reply to  Lucan Grey

You’re double jabbed, but haven’t had Covid yet, huh?

mwhite
4 years ago
Reply to  Lucan Grey

In Northern Europe this disease is a winter respiratory virus, Summer is the leading cause of the “reduced death and illness from Covid overall.”



Will
Will
4 years ago
Reply to  Lucan Grey

And it only works for five months. Ker fucking ching!!!!

186NO
186NO
4 years ago
Reply to  Lucan Grey

Rubbish as the Israelis have demonstrated. The “medicine” that has reduced death and illness from Covid overall are those early use therapeutics used by medics in the US and elsewhere but which have been …shall we say “denied” to UK medics by HMG and the very helpful UK medical “authorities”; I defy anyone who has watched Drs Peter McCullough/Fleming and others discuss their strategy to administer a suite of already approved drugs – which are out of patent as I understand – not to appreciate that early intervention by them has prevented hospitalisation in the vast majority of the patients they have/are treating and vastly reduced mortality. This “fact” is very clear; then ask yourself how many billions of doses of, for example, Ivermectin have been given since its worldwide approval , and how many deaths have been reported – then compare that to the deaths on VAERS (never mind the “under-reporting” aspect) and by the MHRA in the UK following these so called “vaccines” being injected – is that clear enough to you to be incapable of being called “semantics”?

me too
me too
4 years ago
Reply to  186NO

Don’t loose time and fingers with Lucan Grey. A troll

Will
Will
4 years ago
Reply to  me too

He isn’t a troll, he has been contributing to the forum for over a year.

RickH
4 years ago
Reply to  Lucan Grey

Why does that [language] matter so much?”

If you don’t know that, I suggest you cease from commenting until you do.

… and, BTW, you are a sucker for absorbing the government narrative about the jabs – on the basis of (by definition) precious little evidence.

The comments on ‘death’ and ‘illness’ are wishful assertion, not evidenced analysis – because they can’t be, absent an adequate test regime.

me too
me too
4 years ago
Reply to  RickH

Evdently this thing (Lucan Grey) is a troll.

stewart
4 years ago

Of course “cases” have dropped over the summer. People don’t want to miss out on holidays. Now that they have to get back to work, the work shy will be testing regularly to see if they can skive off work.

JayBee
4 years ago

The gunk doesn’t work, other than by creating new mutations- correlation doesn’t necessarily equal causation here, as many other reasons have been prevented for the decoupling too- and dry tinder just develops anew year after year.
It’s the flu, or very similar if not identical in most regards to the flu.
Ignore it and treat it, that’s it.
Time tested approach, until moralistic, hubristic and totalitarian Boomers and Millennials decided to play God, enabled by MMT, for a while.

Rowan
Rowan
4 years ago
Reply to  JayBee

Yes it’s a scam, designed to get us all injected with “gunk” that they know will kill and maim.

Will
Will
4 years ago
Reply to  Rowan

If they are going to be jabbing everyone every five months at £20 a stab I strongly suspect Pfizer will be pumping out glorified saline to keep the gravy train on the rails. Certainly no one is going to be free to make a proper sterilising vaccine, even if that were possible.

JayBee
4 years ago
Reply to  Will

Good point.
A new phoebus cartel (the light bulbs that weren’t allowed to last for more than 1000 hours).

Will
Will
4 years ago
Reply to  JayBee

The only thing that will end the whole racket is an effective treatment. Hence why anything that looks like a treatment is smeared, mercilessly, if it is out of patent, or ludicrously expensive and complicated to administer, if it isn’t.

chris c
chris c
4 years ago
Reply to  JayBee

I have a light bulb that was here before me (17 years and still working) that must have missed the memo.

Along the same lines I have an immune system.

RickH
4 years ago
Reply to  JayBee

hubristic and totalitarian Boomers and Millennials decided to play God”

What? Tories are all ‘Boomers’ and ‘Millenials’. Well – that’s a new one.

BoycottEuropeanEmpire
BoycottEuropeanEmpire
4 years ago

First Authoritarian Turdgeon has been ‘pinged’ and told to ‘self-isolate’.

With luck, she’ll ‘self-isolate’ forever, ideally on Easter Island.

Annie
4 years ago

That’s a cruel thing to do to Easter Island, or indeed anywhere else on Planet Earth, or indeed anywhere else in the universe.

maggie may
4 years ago
Reply to  Annie

How about that island off the coast of Scotland that was infected with anthrax all those years ago?

Annie
4 years ago
Reply to  maggie may

Gurnard, I think it’s called? Sadly, it’s been redd up and made wholesome.
But that could always be reversed in a case of special need.

186NO
186NO
4 years ago
Reply to  Annie

Gruinard …?

mwhite
4 years ago
Reply to  Annie

Rockall

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Fingerache Philip
Fingerache Philip
4 years ago
Reply to  Annie

ROCKALL????

CrouplessCoup
CrouplessCoup
4 years ago

I think I have entered a parallel universe.
“Health Secretary article in The Times”:https://www.gov.uk/government/news/health-secretary-piece-in-the-times
Conversely I find Dr Peter McCullough e.g. here more balanced:
https://www.financialsense.com/podcast/20039/how-survive-covid-and-what-do-now
HMG has to all intents and purposes suppressed the advantages and means of securing early stage treatment and perseverated (sic) instead with the non-vaccine experimental injectable. One keeps on asking, so far still without answer: why?

Luis RCoelho
Luis RCoelho
4 years ago

Sorry, what on earth is the Daily Sceptic on about?
A fragment of a virus that doesn’t exist cannot be turned into ‘vaccines’. I’m sick and tired of this general stupidity or cowardice, not calling things for what they are.
Whoever wrote this idiotic article makes it look that C19 exists and that the C19 jabs are conventional vaccines.
I’m really tired of this stupidity!!!

Ruth Learner
Ruth Learner
4 years ago
Reply to  Luis RCoelho

i feel like I am reading an alien newspaper or I am an alien reading a human newspaper but zooming forward when the language I spoke has lost all meaning. The virus is an old virus with a new patent- whether flu a or b or whatever – it’s treatable for the v few who actually catch it and get v sick and it’s going to kill a bunch of v old and v sick people who die every year from such seasonal viruses. We have natural immunity – been working fine forever before this. There has never been the need for a jab called a vaccine (language games) and which ensures capillary level blood clots for all and death / injury blood clots for a few unlucky people – and a litany of other horrible side effects etc. Are we on the same planet? Are aliens hiding in plain sight? How do we reclaim language and thus truth (yeah – that dirty word)?

mikkip
mikkip
4 years ago

I’m getting the impression that skeptics newsletter is doing everything it can to avoid stating the obvious… why are they even accepting positive Pcr tests without symptoms as evidence of a pandemic? Why are they calling the jab a vaccine, when it’s not an inoculant and it fails to prevent infection and transmission? They still seem to think it’s about our health… it’s not: it’s about money and control.

186NO
186NO
4 years ago
Reply to  mikkip

Cormen-Drosten designed RT PCR testing regime 100% demolished in this pdf:

ILLA The PCR Disaster Genesis and Evolution of the »Drosten Test«

Dr Fleming also points out the CT rate over 25 delivers no “benefit” as well as destroying the efficacy (!! ) of this testing regime:

https://youtu.be/3GzzBD1kJ0g

His website should be required reading for very MP, SAGE member and especially Boris Johnson

marcusc
4 years ago

Bored of all this….

Mike Durrans
Mike Durrans
4 years ago
Reply to  marcusc

Time to delete this app as there is no more or nothing fresh

Iain McCausland
Iain McCausland
4 years ago

Will Jones rightly suggests that the rise in ‘case’ numbers is due to increased testing but if the PCR device used to create those figures is so unreliable what is the point in stating ‘case’ numbers are rising?

Sandra Barwick
Sandra Barwick
4 years ago

I guess it’s useful to know, because this will be weaponised by Sage. The schools return in a few days – testing zooms up – “cases” are found in the young – much regretful head shaking, fear porn stepped up, weather gets colder, more hospital admissions, more hospitals spread Covid to the vulnerable who maybe have Covid worse because of the jabs. Ie, what’s happening in Israel about to happen here.

JohnK
4 years ago

One of many articles in which it’s best to read the last para first, to save time etc. Ideally, the line of attack should really be to criticise the value of any of the methods in use, with regard to the damages caused, and disruption of public resources etc. Is it not the case that they have been betting on a horse that’s going to lose, unless they can find a way of slowing down all the others?

Hester
Hester
4 years ago

More tests more positives wow, likewise when Englands children return to school next week off we go again. But hey it gives the Government all the support it needs to start the children on the road to eternal junky hood just like the Adults.
Aren’t the Pharma companies and their respective owners and investors doing well out of this? I wonder what world wide Government officials personal finances and living conditions are looking like too .

Will
Will
4 years ago

I sincerely hope we are seeing vaccine failure rather than ADE, but the data from Israel are extremely concerning. Whilst my wife and I haven’t been jabbed all our friends and family have succumbed to the coercion.

mishmash
4 years ago

“it seems that parents have not been testing their children over the summer, and the requirement to do so for school has picked up a load of hidden infections.”

No no no no no! Why do you keep insulting your own intelligence Will?
Positive test results mean NOTHING.

TheGreenAcres
4 years ago

You do more tests, you find more viral fragments. Not exactly an earth shattering revelation is it?

helenf
4 years ago

if we just overlooked the gaping holes in the narrative that a positive pcr test indicates the existence of covid infection for a moment, surely the best indicator of whether or not the so-called vaccines are effective against severe illness should come from the intensive care data. And yet ICNARC still aren’t including vaccination status as one of their patient characteristics, making their weekly reports useless in this regard. They must have that data, so is there something to hide?
https://www.icnarc.org/DataServices/Attachments/Download/b42cbf37-6307-ec11-9135-00505601089b

Will
Will
4 years ago
Reply to  helenf

And the trend towards vaccine failure and endemic equilibrium in the unvaccinated was spotted weeks ago by Spector, hence why he is calling for urgent boosters.

Will
Will
4 years ago

It is amusing how they are maintaining the pretence that a decision hasn’t been made on boosters. The sheeple, where I live, were hooping and hollering five weeks ago that they had been called up for their boosters. I don’t think they are going to do the kids because the polls are showing it wouldn’t benefit the government, politically, especially among the chattering classes.

RickH
4 years ago

“this pandemic (if such it still is)”

It never was – in terms of the previous WHO definition which included an assessment of lethality.

It would be very odd if a ‘pandemic’ didn’t create an ‘epidemic’ in a country like the UK. Which it didn’t – the level of reported ‘Covid’ sickness in the community never reached the recognised level for an epidemic.

bfbf334
4 years ago

Stop calling “positive” results from the fake tests “Covid 19 cases”. Without flu like symptoms you do not have the new flu (that is probably the old flu[s] rebadged).

RW
RW
4 years ago

And how can these infections have remained hidden for a full six weeks (or whatever the duration of the school summer holidays in Scotland happens to be) when COVID-19 is such a deadly and always exponentially growing disease?

Scotland should be depopulated by now, with hospitals crammed to hilt with dead patients and staff, and maybe only Nicola Sturgeon left as lone holdout in her Edinburgh castle due to the fact that her susceptibilty to viruses infecting humans cannot be taken for granted.

me too
me too
4 years ago
Reply to  RW

Not a human. An animal

RW
RW
4 years ago
Reply to  me too

I was thinking of David Icke’s shapeshifting reptilians :-). They’re supposed to be our secret masters.

TheBigman
TheBigman
4 years ago

If anyone believes any of this nonsense then you aren’t paying attention.

ITS NOT ABOUT A VIRUS!!!!!

gedhurst
gedhurst
4 years ago

Just how long is this COVID epidemic going to go on for? Spanish flu was over in 1 months. Seems to me that the gene treatments have breathed new life into it.

Rogerborg
4 years ago

The “requirement” to test Scotch children? That’s news to me, mine haven’t had a swab near any of their orifices.