Hamburg Businesses to Be Given ‘Choice’ to Bar Unvaccinated Residents
Hamburg has become the first German city to tell a range of venues, including restaurants, clubs and, according to some reports, religious institutions, that they are permitted to bar unvaccinated residents. Mandates will also apply to workers within these organisations. Those that decide not to introduce vaccine passes will be forced to continue enforcing other restrictive policies. The Local has the story.
German states on Monday moved to a uniform Covid health pass system which allows entry to many public spaces, such as indoor dining, only to people who’ve been vaccinated, have recovered from Covid or have been tested against Covid. It’s known as the ‘3G model’ in Germany.
But on Tuesday, Hamburg announced it will introduce a ‘2G option model’ for event organisers and business owners – effectively banning unvaccinated people.
It means venue and event bosses will be allowed to offer their services and allow entry only to people who are fully vaccinated or have recovered from Covid within the last six months. Those who are eligible for vaccination but haven’t got it will not be allowed to enter.
Businesses have to let the city know if they plan to use the 2G entry system.
The obligation to provide proof also applies to employees working on the premises in question, said the Senate.
Under 2G, businesses will not need the same hygiene regulations. It will allow bosses, for instance, to admit more guests or offer a free choice of seating without mandatory spacing requirements. However, masks will remain compulsory in all indoor settings.
The 2G option will be launched on Saturday. Organisers can also opt for the 3G model – but if they do, they will have to follow previous Covid restrictions, such as caps on the amount of people who can attend.
The 2G or 3G option is aimed at theatres, cinemas, trade fair operators, restaurants, hotels, swimming pools and fitness studios, among other businesses.
Organisers of sporting events with visitors, public festivals or educational courses should also be able to exclude unvaccinated people if they want to, said the Hamburg Senate.
The Senate said operators will face heavy fines if they do not check for proof of vaccination or recovery (or a negative test if it’s a 3G event).
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From the place that brought you yellow stars in the windows?
https://7news.com.au/lifestyle/health-wellbeing/covid-19-positive-sydney-man-anthony-karam-arrested-after-week-long-manhunt-c-3788730
Australia had gone totally batshit insane
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GB9KFVcYu1g
TRUTH GAGGED? Another Qualified Doctor Suspended How Is This Free Speech UK ???
Link to the BBC article – https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-northern-ireland-foyle-west-58315530.amp
The article states “There is no evidence to support Dr McCloskey’s comments”. I would suggest the author takes a look at VAERS and the Yellow Card sites.
And right there is the fake news problem in a nutshell. Remember, this is a ‘news’ item, yet it includes a statement that can only ever be a matter of opinion. It is done routinely all over the MSM and is a cancer within the body politic.
One more nail – or should that be tack – into the coffin of the BBC – “keep going you criminal conspirators, we welcome your every intervention, you cannot seem to be able to stop making the case for your eradication”
Exactly….
https://www.bitchute.com/video/wDeafUbHCmXc/
Thank you, well put. I have just sent this to most of my WhatsApp groups, family and friends, the majority of whom disagrees with me. I assume, well family is always family, but friends are now few and far between. Well so be it, this is serious.
My few friends pretty much refuse to discuss the issues, they simply prefer to believe what the Government and MSM tell them. The facts are inconvenient. I can understand their point of view to be honest and to live a lie is a personal choice.
HUGO TALKS – POLICEMAN WRITES OPEN LETTER LET’S STAND AGAINST TYRANNY HUGO TALKS #LOCKDOWN
https://www.bitchute.com/video/AvVOFh67rMUh/
What an absolute load of old bollocks, I’m sorta beyond debating efficacy now, clearly it’s all tosh, the truth has been ejected from the conversation and we are left with agenda, profiteering, control and BS. What a time to be alive.
And this is just the start. This is our ‘new normal’ because the majority are too stupefied by government induced fear to see anything wrong.
So let’s get this right. A so called vaccine that doesn’t stop you from catching covid, increases your chances of spreading covid and may or may not reduce your chances of being hospitalised with covid. Insanity!
At this point I’m totally confused along with vaccinating children without parental consent.
Time to start modelling a trilby out of bacofoil and start wearing a nappy.
Are there any vax passport supporters out there who would like to give a rational explanation?
Doubt if you’ll find any vax passport supporters on here! Perhaps see if any of the mainstream media sites has this story and ask on there?
They might well remove your post, of course, because questioning the orthodoxy imposed by our all-knowing masters is no longer allowed…
I have seen numerous trolling attempts on here.
I have just spotted rayc below arguing for vaccines.
Trolling though, as you say.
Probably not genuine supporters of vax passports – they are unlikely to read this site.
Disagreeing with your religion is not trolling, my dear.
Let’s go again:
Credibility is like virginity: They are lost once.
Vax passport supporter – rational explanation? I think that counts as an oxy-moron.
https://www.medpagetoday.com/infectiousdisease/covid19vaccine/94213
The Pfizer COVID-19 mRNA vaccine was found to be associated with a threefold increased risk of myocarditis, according to a real-world case-control study from Israel.
Vaccination had a strong association with an increased risk of myocarditis (risk ratio [RR] 3.24, 95% CI 1.55-12.44), as well as increased risks of lymphadenopathy (RR 2.43, 95% CI 2.05-2.78), appendicitis (RR 1.40, 95% CI 1.02-2.01), and herpes zoster infection (RR 1.43, 95% CI 1.20-1.73), reported Ran Balicer, MD, of Clalit Health Services in Tel Aviv, and colleagues.
Yeah, it’s just too bad that having a full-blown COVID-19 is much more strongly associated with the very same risks (plus more).
Isn’t it time for you booster?
And now, time for another?
‘full-blown’ Covid is very rare. Deaths are indistinguishable from normal mortality, although the jabs increase that risk (see January curve). ARR of snake oil = ~1%. Accepting a jab is the equivalent of deliberately infecting yourself – you have automatically raised your risk of harm.
rayc, if you’re not being paid to post this garbage… you ought to volunteer for 77th
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/77th_Brigade_%28United_Kingdom%29
You talk BS.
You should foxtrot, uniform, charlie, kilo, oscar foxtrot,foxtrot
Credibility is like virginity: They are lost once.
The vaccine still does reduce hospitalization rate by a a lot (>80% in all age groups). Basically, by universal vaccination and dropping restrictions the world is mostly becoming more dangerous for the unvaccinated, which are being sacrificed for their idiocy (but they have been warned) to enable the rest of the world to move on.
Of course, this still does not mean that vax passports in any shape or form, or any other technological authoritarian “solutions” (of which they are forerunners) are acceptable. Rather, the anti-vaxxers should be allowed to learn their lesson through direct experience – otherwise they might never learn the truth.
Moron troll
In case you have nothing else to say, you can always resort to ad hominems.
Like we used to do in the old days when we got a cold or flu? I’m good with that. Btw, I already had the Rona so I speak from experience.
I think you must be a provocateur plant. All the the scientific evidence refutes your ridiculous claims.
Maybe you are here to boost dwindling comment numbers?
Raic is lost forever.
“The vaccine still does reduce hospitalization rate”
What is your evidence for that? I’m not aware of any blinded RCTs that lead to that conclusion. Another unlearned lesson of minor correlation does not imply causation. The natural evolution of the virus is a more likely explanation of decreased virulence.
Israeli data suggests the opposite of “by universal vaccination and dropping restrictions the world is mostly becoming more dangerous for the unvaccinated“.
The jabs are an untested sham.
… and your use of the term ‘anti-vaxxers‘ shows your profound ignorance. Only the dim and dodgy propagandists – as in ‘77th Brigade‘ etc.-use the term (particularly since these aren’t ‘vaccines’)
What kind of RCTs do you suggest? Infecting people with COVID-19 on purpose? Would you volunteer? (I guess you would, judging by the raging intellect evident from your comments.)
Do not feed a troll
Tell her
Important message from Dr Anne McCloskey (bitchute.com)
The jab in N. i.
Interestingly, new data from a large study run by the renowned Mayo Clinic here in the US suggests (to the informed) that a large proportion of ‘breakthrough cases’ – vaccinated people diagnosed with Covid – may on the contrary be (undiagnosed) vaxx injury cases instead.
Steady, you are developing a digital stammer. When are you going to understand that these jabs are not vaccinations – but “don’t take my care for it”, read the approval application made by Pfizer to the FDA in the US, as pointed out by Dr David Martin, where they state it is ….a gene therapy. Or are you really saying “No, Pfizer, you have got it all wrong, its a vaccination”….no immunity, does not prevent infection, transmission but “reduces severe symptoms” – but then again, Dr McCullough and others around the world have found (and used with success by their testimony) that HCQ, Ivermectin and other decades long approved drugs do EXACTLY the same; Funny thing is, they were around when the FDA ( and MHRA ) granted EUO authorisation ( hint, not “approved/licenced”) …..and if I have read correctly such EOU is predicated on the fact that “no other treatments” are available”…..very odd?
Yeah, go on nitpicking on how a drug is named, surely that is the most relevant argument to whether or not the drug offers protection. Maybe only surpassed by the argument that if the drug got an official stamp of approval, the protection would miraculously change somehow.
Don’t feed an animal
Credibility is like virginity: They are lost once.
From a comment on another website: Bud: ‘You can’t come in here!’ Lou: ‘Why not?’ Bud: ‘Well, because you’re unvaccinated.’ Lou: ‘But I’m not sick.’ Bud: ‘It doesn’t matter.’ Lou: ‘Well, why does that guy get to go in?’ Bud: ‘Because he’s vaccinated.’ Lou: ‘But he’s sick!’ Bud: ‘It’s alright. Everyone in here is vaccinated.’ Lou: ‘Wait a minute. Are you saying everyone in there is vaccinated?’ Bud: ‘Yes.’ Lou: ‘So then why can’t I go in there if everyone is vaccinated?’ Bud: ‘Because you’ll make them sick.’ Lou: ‘How will I make them sick if I’m NOT sick and they’re vaccinated.’ Bud: ‘Because you’re unvaccinated.’ Lou: ‘But they’re vaccinated.’ Bud: ‘But they can still get sick.’ Lou: ‘So what the heck does the vaccine do?’ Bud: ‘It vaccinates.’ Lou: ‘So vaccinated people can’t spread covid?’ Bud: ‘Oh no. They can spread covid just as easily as an unvaccinated person.’ Lou: ‘I don’t even know what I’m saying anymore. Look. I’m not sick. Bud: ‘Ok.’ Lou: ‘And the guy you let in IS sick.’ Bud: ‘That’s right.’ Lou: ‘And everybody in there can still get sick even though they’re vaccinated.’ Bud: ‘Certainly.’ Lou: ‘So why can’t I go in again?’… Read more »
The paradox disappears once you realized that Lou is not being admitted to protect him from becoming infected by the vaccinated people inside. This is precisely how it works and why there are restrictions for the unvaccinated – but it’s such a hard sell for the “ethics commissions” of this world that they would rather tell you the nonsensical version.
Lou doesn’t have a choice in the matter then? Perhaps he’s quite prepared to take the risk.
That’s the issue isn’t it – the vast majority of unvaccinated people are under 40 and in the minimal-risk cateogry when it comes to Covid. When it comes to the balance of risk, there is more from an experimental vaccine than there is from a virus with a 99.5% survival rate which is known to largely affect the elderly and the sick. But these people are not being allowed to make rational intelligent decisions for themselves and exercise sovereignty over their own bodies. No, they must comply, or they are effectively banned from society.
Ahaaaaaa, but if he selfishly takes the risk and selfishly gets ill, he’d selfishly take up a hospital bed – unless the National Hell Service denied him medical care, as the jabboid nazis would like it to do.
This doesn’t make a cogent argument.
Lou has presumably paid taxes and NI during all his life which have been used to finance the NHS and he has been doing this based on the justification that the NHS will be available to him if he ever needs it. Hence, the argument of the nazoid jabberers pretty much boils down to I believe I’m entitled to health care at your expense. Should you need health care, that would a different conversation.
In the new Covidian world, there is no longer any expectation that things should make sense, be consitent or be justifiable with a cogent argument. All that is needed to “justify” anything is to parrot one of the approved phrases, which include:
“keep everyone safe”
“because of Covid”
“protect the NHS”
“save lives”
Precisely. Following that logic you could ban hobbies such as rock climbing, football, martial arts- anything that presents any risk of personal injury or illness because you’re selfishly putting yourself in a position where you might burden the precious NHS- peace be upon it.
and everything involving living has a risk of death especially sedentary, so you could also mandate risky activites…
Zackly, or he’s already immune to a cold from a properly functioning immune system!
I agree Lou should have a choice to manifest his stupidity. I will always repeat freedom trumps safety. If you want to jump off the building, by all means, you should be allowed to (though it may be required of you to you cover the cleanup cost up-front).
Moron troll
Oh sure, TPTB and the vaccinated really care about protecting the unvaccinated. So much do they care in fact, they will exclude them from schools, shops, pubs, restaurants, churches, public venues, cultural institutions, weddings, baptisms, funerals, and their income producing places of work. What have I left out? Such protection!
Yes, they do care, because if the unvaccinated (esp. children) start dropping dead like flies (let’s say “only” 1% of them), the vaccinated will still blame the politicians for not preventing it. Such is life, the vaccinated care about the unvaccinated dropping dead, and the smart sometimes care about protecting the fools (shocking, I know, but it’s sometimes called morality).
But most of the deaths are in the “vaccinated”.Didn’t see that coming did you?
But no one is protecting the vaccinated, who can still catch and spread the virus, from each other and if the unvaccinated present no different risk to the vaccinated then it is simply discrimination. I do not need anyone to decide what is an acceptable risk to me. I suggest Lou is better off anyway- who wants to spend any time in the company of such pious, supine people?
They do try to “protect” vaccinated by muzzling them and discouraging social contacts and what not. The difference is that for vaccinated there is little more that can be done, while the unvaccinated can be still heavily pestered to take the only measurable protection which is available. And so, they are pestered.
I don’t agree with this approach, but I at least understand it nor portray it as “illogical” – it’s pretty logical if your morals compel you to care about other misinformed people harming themselves. It’s a bit like trying to keep a retard not enter a dangerous situation. He may have been born a retard, but a human being still.
I’m tired of clicking red on you, smart stupid
This is exactly what is happening on Delta Airlines. They will pay a vaccinated persons wages if they have a’breakthrough’ infection…but not if you’re an unvaccinated person who is infected! It makes absolutely no sense.
wait wait wait. You mean, “sophisticated and vaccinated”
I miss Arthur Eric Blair (Orwell) so much.
Reliable old Germans.
😂
Very nice. Very funny
The short version is: Businesses not voluntarily demanding proof of vaccination from prospective customer will face government fines until they do.
That’s these fines are costumed as revenue-reducing regulations, eg, limits on the number of customers, doesn’t change their nature. This comes on top of COVID-19 being virtually non-existant in Hamburg, with 52.5 so-called cases per 100.000 people, ie 99.95% not infected.
So here’s my prediction.
1. The unvaccinated create their own establishments for the unvaccinated clients
2. Krystalnacht
Nothing so dramatic, the unvaccinated will just meet and drink privately.
No, we’ll play you at your own game.
Ostracise woke establishments, venues and companies. Eat outdoors in the faces of empty restaurants…. And generally make you look like complete tossers.
I’m sure I’ve seen a video of the French doing exactly just that.
Found it – https://twitter.com/american_ka/status/1430660013882843140?s=20
Yeah, how long are they going to have these picnics? Also in winter? It’s funny to watch, but unless the majority of patrons join in, not effective at all (except for providing new fuel to the government’s propaganda that the dissenters are “crazy asocial individuals”).
I agree with the ostracizing (and will ostracize anyone who checks for vaccination status myself), but sadly because the ostracizers are such a minority, it is not going to have any effect in the grand scheme of things.
You know, I’m actually really hoping for this. In London, pubs and restaurants are always too packed. The big mistake by govt is handing over the responsibility of mandating such nonsense to private businesses. The vaccinated will end up in their masses in big, corporate owned, cr@p places whilst the unvaccinated will end up in the independant and cool places. I was just in a lovely part of North Essex yesterday and visited a pub where no..body..gave.. a…sht. :P. The experiment is also taking place in NY. Watch business owners reject that responsibility.
Greetings from Hamburg! It was quite a shock when our Mayor, Peter Tschentscher, announced the 2g rule; which is genuine medical apartheid. Yesterday I went to the doctor trying to get an exemption, absolutely no luck there. Last night I was in a restaurant when an elderly lady came in asking if they would be applying the 2g rule. The answer was “yes”, which seemed to make the lady very happy.
No necessity for historical comparisons, we now have our own route to hell.
My position, as a vaccinated person, is to boycott any establishment which attempts to check my vaccination status. This is the only morally coherent position – as much as it sucks for the blackmailed owners of the establishments in case more people adopt it. I will be putting, just in case, such clauses in future contracts with my clients (e.g. on site meetings only possible if no surveillance is performed).
Good to hear it. We need the vaxxed to stand with us.
I’m somewhat puzzled by your confidence that the vaccines are worthwhile for anyone, given the corrupted or vague nature of the data I’ve seen used to determine this. Leaving this aside, mass vaccination of the whole population including groups whose risk from covid is vanishingly small, seems reckless.
I think your theory that vaxx passports are really to protect the unvaxxed but TPTB don’t want to tell us that is implausible nonsense.
It’s a choice between getting your initial exposure to the harmful virus protein through the injection or through the virus. The difference is that the virus reproduces, so you get dosed a hell a lot more, and that dose is uncontrollable. That is why I’m convinced the vaccine is a lesser evil – to deal with the “novelty” factor of the virus. It’s getting your immune system a little shock rather than (potentially) a huge shock, for a similar effect. Data concerning the reduction in risk of severe disease in vaccinated vs. unvaccinated has been pretty consistent, and in favor of vaccine so far (except perhaps for kids, and young adults). Any claims otherwise are based on bad interpretation of the data. The problem with statistical low risk is that you cannot predict which indviduals will be affected. When dealing with disasters, it does not matter that the risk was low if you happen to be the unlucky one; that’s why people value insurance. Of course, the same reasoning also applies to side effects of the vaccine. However, one might chance a guess that if someone has a huge adverse reaction to a low-dose of the virus protein from a… Read more »
“The difference is that the virus reproduces”
the ‘difference’ ?????
Yes, unlike the virus the mRNA vaccine does not reproduce in your body, it delivers a limited dose of the spike protein by hijacking a limited number of your body’s cells, which are then killed off. There is no feedback loop/self-reinforcement in this process because the cells do not make new mRNA to infect other cells.
OK lets see your source(s)? And a big danger is if the mRNA gets directly into your blood. Can happen due to a botched injection hitting a vein. There’s a recent paper on this but I leave it up to you to find it.
“It’s getting your immune system a little shock rather than (potentially) a huge shock, for a similar effect.” This, of course, describes traditional vaccines (and is why there are actually very few ‘anti-vaxxers’ among those resistant to these gene therapies.)
But this is also a staggeringly ignorant summation of this situation (which is typical among those who are condescendingly ignorant and dismissive of counter-opinions.
It has been clearly shown that the mRNA shots create spike protein throughout the body in places where a traditional vaccine would not. That action has huge implications for damage some of which (short term damage) has already shown up – see VAERS/Yellow card etc.
To convince anyone that has done the research, you will need to address the arguments made by leading virologists/epidemialogists/clinicians like McCullough, Yeadon, Montaignier, etc, not simply state something as juvenile as that “vaccines give your immune system a little shock rather than a huge shock.’
Unfortunately, the virus also “creates spike protein throughout the body in unintended places” – just millions of times more of it than the vaccine. This is not a light argument, I would like your “assorted anti-vaxx experts” to address it. So far, a deafening silence in that regard.
Hahahaha; “is that someone waving or drowning”. From what I have read, these nasty evil experts ( who you libel as “anti-vaxx” with no cited proof ) have done that many many times. Did you know that transferring your assets after you make defamatory remarks like that are not effective ( bit like the jabs ). Or is antibody suppression something else you don’t “agree” with?
Well, if they’ve done it so many times, care to provide a SINGLE reference for uneducated myself? Or do you think claiming it has been addressed is just enough to rest your case?
The Novell Bio Weapon argument again? How has life managed to evolve for so long on this planet?? Or did Darwin get it wrong and it by the Grace of God? who’s now got pissed off with us?
YES, YES, YES
This makes no sense. First, the story about the harmful protein is most likely fiction: Everything I read about that so far boiled down to immune response kills infected cells. This causes side effects but that’s exactly what’s supposed to happen. Second, the harm the virus does to the body doesn’t come from any harmful protein but – similar to vaccination – from the fact that it (like all viruses) hijacks the celluar reproduction mechanism of cells it infects. Instead of building something useful, the cell will then construct new viruses which will ultimatively cause the cell to die, either while releasing newly constructed viruses or because the immune system kills it to prevent that. The only difference between virus and vaccine in this respect is that the vaccine is restricted to single-generation reproduction: The products created by cells infected by it won’t be able to reproduce on their own. Lastly, the statistical risk doesn’t apply. I’ve survived numerous bad bouts of flu, each due to an infection with a virus unfamiliar to my immune system (the absolutely worst so far in November 2019) with possibly lethal consequences. Hence, I think that I will surive (or rather, have survived) an… Read more »
Call it what you want, the core argument that you are getting a much lower training dose with the vaccine than with the uncontrollably reproducing virus stands.
And as for your flu, it is unlikely to have been really “novel” – various flu strains circulate in the population, so it would have been a miracle if you had no childhood exposure whatsoever to flu.
Of course, risk is an unavoidable part of life, but if so, why would you be concerned about the (orders of magnitude) smaller risk of vaccination rather than the larger risk of infection? Do you get your kicks out of taking such larger risks?
I think this is an interesting and logical argument, one that I considered some months ago. The obvious next question to double check this reasoning is “how do the doses compare” and unfortunately there I drew a blank. If you have some clear trustworthy evidence then it’d be good to see that. The problems were: Different vaccines from different manufacturers have very different dosages. IIRC one had a dose 3x higher than another. No public information is available on why this is or how doses were selected. As far as I can tell, dosages may have been calculated by simply starting low and then increasing it until the side effects became too large / the resulting antibody titers were high enough. “Viral load” isn’t measured in ways that are comparable to vaccine dosages. People frequently report side effects comparable to actually having COVID, e.g. feeling so sick they have to stay in bed for a day or two. This suggests the immune response must be at least of a comparable level, which in turn implies the vaccine may not actually be a dramatically smaller dose than an actual viral infection. It’s not just about how many cells are destroyed but… Read more »
Unfortunately, I do not have hard data on spike protein dosage of vaccine versus infection (I suspect it would vary wildly especially on the infection side). Regarding the spike protein’s danger (or lack thereof) to cardiovascular system, I refer you this: https://www.factcheck.org/2021/07/scicheck-covid-19-vaccine-generated-spike-protein-is-safe-contrary-to-viral-claims/ The reason for COVID-19’s severity and killing potential is that gas exchange in lungs stops working. Not because of pneumonia, as was initially suspected, but because of some deeper disruption at a cellular level (on the oxygen receiving side, so to say). That’s why COVID-19 is considered to be a systemic/cardiovascular disease nowadays, rather than just respiratory. I am not aware of any single case where this lung blockage has happened as a result of vaccine administration. Together with the undeniable fact that mRNA or the resulting proteins unlike the virus do not self-replicate, and that the spike proteins (which I speculatively consider as the [indirect] agent that is also causing the lung failure – what else?) from vaccine are quickly cleared from bloodstream (few days), it appears reasonable that having vaccine means less exposure than having the virus. One counterargument might be that not all infections cause the virus to enter the bloodstream or internal organs, it… Read more »
The mRNA technology is not comparable to a true vaccine. It produces a protein not a Virus so how can you talk about Viral load. The dose will be indeterminate and only estimated on the original trial data from the cross section of average healthy volunteers. For ethical reasons compromised individuals would not have been selected as a part of these trials. The actual dose of Protein produced will depend on the individual recipient and the CORRECT (intendant) distribution of the mRNA injection.
You really want to get sick at least once in your life before you try to tell people who have been that this is nothing compared to what you imagine.
…and exactly what is the “novel” aspect of SARS COV 2? Enlighten us all please.
I already had covid and survived. Over 99% of people do, you know. Nice to hear I am a retard. Presumably so are all the rest of them.
Please, please explain why you consider the SARS Cov-2 virus as completely novel?
Again: Please, please explain why you consider the SARS Cov-2 virus as completely novel?
AND Re training:- the mRNA protein system only trains / updates the immune system to the errr Spike. Real virus trains the immune system to the “The Full Monty”, thus giving a wide spectrum future protection.
From your comments I assume that you understand the the concerns of Vaccine Adverse Reactions, and consider them totally acceptable. Sadly many people are now of this opinion, possibly forgetting previous tragic outcomes such as Thalidomide and the Swine Flu vax. From the cursed Wiki:-
Experts estimate that thalidomide led to the death of approximately 2,000 children and serious birth defects in more than 10,000 children,
I suppose thats far in excess of the present VAERS & Yellow Card reports considering Thalidomide was only intended as a help during Pregnancy. Even so the mRNA data seems a tad on the high side to me.
I concur: I have had perhaps 3 influenza episodes, all three leading to bronchitic type symptoms ( as diagnosed by medics ) but by far the worst was an “Asian ‘flu” episode a few years ago, again diagnosed as such with blood tests after initial onset of symptoms – very serious – all of which I survived self evidently as I am not an avatar. Survival was due to a combination of luck, early intervention of treatment, anti inflammatory drugs, bed rest and sleep and consistent intake of fluids to “flush” my body.. Never had a flu vaccine up top that point..
Just a wild thought, maybe if you have had a flu vaccine, you would not have become sick with the “Asian flu”?
OK, so lets fake it point by point ——- It’s a choice between getting your initial exposure to the harmful virus protein through the injection or through the virus. Obviously. The difference is that the virus reproduces, so you get dosed a hell a lot more, and that dose is uncontrollable. Wrong. A problem with the mRNA approach is that the amount of required “Spike” protein produced by the targeted cells is undetermined. Also its now known that the “Spike” is toxic on its own accord, so you don’t want an overdose of it. That is why I’m convinced the vaccine is a lesser evil – to deal with the “novelty” factor of the virus. It’s getting your immune system a little shock rather than (potentially) a huge shock, for a similar effect. What “Novelty”? Perhaps you consider SARS Cov-2 was developed as a Bio Weapon? Yes then possibly “Novell”, but with hindsight not a very good one – want a refund! Data concerning the reduction in risk of severe disease in vaccinated vs. unvaccinated has been pretty consistent, and in favor of vaccine so far (except perhaps for kids, and young adults). Any claims otherwise are based on bad… Read more »
The very point is that today we do not “have to rely on our immune response” any more than we “have to rely on our immune response” when a rabid dog bites us. But, of course, as stated many times in my other comments, you are completely welcome to rely on the less reliable way of preventing disease, ignoring facts and substituting them by your own magical fantasy. Believe me, if it was up to me, I would have lifted all the restrictions in summer 2020, long before the vaccine has become available. Individual responsibility and freedom will always trump forced safety (and yes, I think it applies just as well to other “controversial” issues such as seat belts, helmets and other such). And yes, I am “hoping that vaccine escape or ADE” doesn’t kick in (the likelihood of ADE is minimal, as this very issue has been known AND sorted out very early during the vaccines’ development). And not just hoping, also not trusting the vaccine to give me a 100% protection, which means not mingling with crowds (vaccinated or not) at height of the next transmission wave. Pretty much like I would not be going to a wild… Read more »
What does it feel like to be a unique specimen? Because you are the only person in the rest of the world to have been vaccinated, outside of any Sinovac or similar drug. Bet you are great at keeping the oceans at bay too.
Paved with ill intentions.
It may not be universal, but Germans of my acquaintance have always been massively aware of the Third Reich and its sins – to the point of expressing a historical guilt for something they had no hand in. The over-compensation goes so far as failing to condemn modern Israel’s inhuman excesses. It is absolutely astounding that the government is treading a parallel path.
Yes, a typically German solution to avoiding political responsibility – shift all blame onto business owners / other people by putting a financial gun to their head and make them discriminate while claiming there is no discrimination. All totally ethical, as approved by the “ethics commission”.
Currently Germany has a problem though because the same method cannot be applied on the employer/employee level (asking for medical details such as vaccination status is prohibited under current law). But have no fear, with our great Bundestag these hurdles on the way to authoritarianism will in all likelihood be undone with applause from majority. Germans are cowardly by nature, revel in envy, and love to inflict pain on their compatriots – if doing so allows themselves to appear as moral apostles.
This attitude of fear and deference to authority is very easy to sell to the aging German population who most of all wish for peace, order and “no harm” being done (in the “show me on public TV that everything is all right” sense).
My son has been to Germany many times for work and he says much the same. He says they’re all very polite, but do not like any type of individuality or questioning of authority, rules, etc.
The German word used for that is Gutmensch (“good-man”). I suppose fitting translation would be “holier than thou”. Virtue signaling and guilt tripping is practically ingrained in Germans since WW2. That’s why it is so easy to fool them into all sorts of dangerous subservient behavior if it is only “for a good cause”. Ironically, the same attitude contributed to Germans starting WW2 in the first place.
As the resistance grows, it’s tough to judge the new normals as either threats or victims. I think no matter how heated it gets, we must keep our composure & not be baited. Express our belief but target emotional human side of the witch hunters. They are in a perpetual state of heightened fear & therefore cannot think rationally. We must understand the psychology behind how this happened rather than play into the us vs them game, that’s what the puppet masters want. To divide, polarise, pit us against each other. The emotions of the new normals are manipulated with the case by case sad stories so much so that it overrides facts on data, on overall mortality etc. The one thing they can agree on is the tyranny, even if they think some of it is justified, they are less free than they were 18 months ago. I highly recommend academy of ideas channel, deep dives into the psychological mechanisms behind a mass delusional psychosis. Understanding ‘menticide’ and how dangerous that becomes once the afflicted belief their values have ‘purpose’ and they act on that. The information war can only be won via one to one in person (or… Read more »
They might even be dead in 3-5 years…. How do we deal with that fury when that dawns on them all.
The professor of psychology from University of Ghent, in his interview with Reiner F., presented much the same analysis. Really worthwhile.
It’s a great channel isn’t it? I have been watching it on/off for years now. Plato, Nietzsche, Dostoevsky…some of the worlds greatest thinkers. And he packages his content well. I have also taken great notice of the content he has been creating as of late. Psychology of conformity, mass psychosis etc. You know exactly what he is driving at when making this content. Though with a heavy heart, I have to disagree with your point on all being lost or not. Totalitarianism is always accompanied with an ‘othering’. And that is exactly what is being set-up here. I don’t know how risky the vaccines are long term. Clearly there are short term risks, even if they are low. However, I honestly believe the vaccines are not about anything physically nefarious. Mentally though…. there is a scapegoat for all of societies ills. The unwashed, unclean, unhealthy, ‘other’. That’s us. It will unify the conforming majority, and will allow them to see us collectively as a little less than human…on a society level. It’s as clever as it is evil. We are going to be ostracised from public life, and they are banking on us standing our ground and refusing the vaccine.… Read more »
Very good- thanks for the link. I love any rational debate that provokes thinking.
Vaccinated 27x More Likely To Be Symptomatically Infected Than Unvaccinated Who’ve Had COVID (notrickszone.com)
“A shocking new study from Israel compares the protection offered by vaccine-induced immunity versus natural immunity from a previous COVID-19 infection“
Some great reading on that link. Thank you
The disease is spreading and I’m not referring to a virus, coming to a place near you!
Yup. At this point it would be hard to bet against it happening here.
I have been totally against the lockdowns, zero covid, and the jabs, but now I have seen the light. I see this now as a way to getting to a glorious world of Zero Disease.
To start, every one should be injected with a number of intravenous antibiotics. There are all those nasty germs out there just waiting to pounce. They are incuabted in the unclean unjabbed. The only way out of this is full jabs of all antibiotices for everyone. Soon, we will have a glorius Zero Disease world.
What about the hazards of indiscriminate use of antibiotics, you say? Pfft, that is a minor issue if it saves one granny. I challenge you to look in the eyes of a terrified granny and tell her she can’t be loaded up with antibiotics.
Oh, yes I do hold shares in Big Pharma. Thank you for asking. But I am totally ethical and able to put aside an unintentional pecunary benefit I may possibly get from this scheme for the greater good.
#TotalAntibioticsFor EveryoneAllTheTime.
Lol. We definitely need to be able to laugh about this.
I’m just going to hook myself up to an intravenous drip of antibiotics. Forever.
Such a pity that antibiotics don’t work against viruses.
Order your zillion muzzles now. A fresh one every twenty minutes, for the rest of your life.That’s the way to be saaaaaaaafe.
Oh, I’m going to get a daily vax against the virus, Annie, to which I will add a double muzzle for extra safety. The drip is to guard against any other pesky germs which may be lurking.
visor and purple plastic gloves as well, I hope?
Why not, can’t be too safe!
Only twenty minutes? Bit risky What?
Alcohol makes a better IV drip. Has a l0vely side effect as well. Wink, wink
Vaccine victims create user-friendly version of entire VAERS database complete with chilling personal reports…
https://www.openvaers.com
Sooo “fully vaccinated” you still need a face nappy because you can still get it and spread it…which a face nappy doesn’t actually prevent. So “fully vaccinated” you’ll need constant jabs to keep your “passport” up to date, otherwise you’ll NOT be “fully vaccinated”, same as the unvaxxed! I haven’t bothered with any of these places since this crap started. Doing without, doing other things now. We live in another world – that stuff is becoming more and more irrelevant now.
“So “fully vaccinated” you’ll need constant jabs to keep your “passport” up to date ...”
This is what the jab enthusiasts haven’t grasped. The unjabbed may be subjected to apartheid, but they have committed themselves to be held on a leash in perpetuity..
67% of delta covid deaths are among vaccinated. 48% of cases among vaccinated.
https://twitter.com/vonbrauckmann/status/1430902904995516423?s=20
For a proper comparison and risk vs reward assessment the stats need to be much more fine-grained in terms of age bands and they need to include some categories for underlying state of health.
Correct. This is but the latest in a trail of duff data. But also note that at face value, the above shows no advantage to being jabbed.
we haven’t even seen what impact ADE will have.
I see that PHE are now claiming that over 100k lives have been saved by vaccines.
MSM are reporting this uncritically and do not explain how the data was produced. They lack the analytical savvy or desire to ask such questions. Too intellectual for them.
I believe the claim is based on models that compare actual deaths with a constructed, hypothetical “no vaccine” baseline.
Clearly, that can be manipulated. And no doubt was.
I would love to see a Daily Sceptic analysis of this claim.
The government has done this throughout the past 18 months. This restriction has saved X number of lives, and that restriction has saved Y number of lives.
The numbers all appear to be produced as you say – substract the actual deaths figure (which is itself probably inflated by various means) from a hypothetical model. They never, ever seem to calibrate the models against the actual real-world data, and are always keen to ignore the few countries / states which don’t impose restrictions as they seemingly have no explanation as to why the numbers in those places are well below where the hypothetical models say they should be (and are in fact normally no worse than places with restrictions)
The problem is that the gullible frightened masses swallow it all whole
It’s such a load of bs. It doesn’t matter if they claim to have “saved” 1 life or 1m lives. No ones life is saved as they haven’t invented a cure for death!
If it’s possible that you could calculate the number of QALYs that have been gained (if any) by preventing premature covid deaths then I guarantee you that it’ll still be far less than the QALYs that have been lost due to all the collateral damage.
I wonder how many have been lost through the suppression of viable prophylactics
We just have to make a model that shows 100,000 lives lost due to lockdown.
It’s not hard the government admit to 75,000 cancer deaths increase.
In QALY terms the death toll from lockdown DWARFS SARS.
It’s nothing to do with a virus, or even a vaccine, and everything to do with a vaccine passport … or rather Digital ID, digital currency and control.
Right, and the digital ID, stored on the same “smart” phone which contains your “permissions”, will be inevitably necessary in order for fool-proof automatic electronic admission gates (rather than bothered and unreliable identity checking personnel) to become a reality. Kind of like self-check in when boarding a flight. Wet dream of Bill Gates and his mobsters, imagine how safe we will feel having to check in at every doorway. At some point, of course, it will be done RFID/Bluetooth just by passing through, no need to wave your phone at a sensor – it will fade out of people’s perception – until, of course, they see that red “access denied” (or “transaction rejected”) sign blinking in front of them.
They haven’t learnt much from their past then have they? What next, camps for the ‘unclean’?
I continually get the feeling that I’ve fallen through some kind of time warp gap and am living in another version of the 1920s and 30s; hope the nightmare is over before we get to the 1940s as I hate to think what the situation will be like then.
For all practical purposes, the Germany of today is a partially souvereign US-protectorate. Hence, the heavily brainwashed leaders of post-national Germany will dutifully implement whatever happens to be implemented on the mothership, provided the good Americans, ie the Democrats, do it. As there’s no effective opposition to this general course, oftentimes, they’ll do what the more radical US politicians they’re copying don’t (yet) dare to do.
Thanks for this: one thing I find sad in the commentary even here (a place where I am in 99% agreement with the commenters) is casual negative references to ‘the US’ and “Americans.” In fact, we are bitterly divided here: somewhat between Democrats and Repubs, but much more poignantly between Globalists and America First-ers. (And, ironically perhaps, America First-ers are much better brothers and friends to regular non-Americans than the other lot.)
Totally agree. C19 is being used to deepen the divide, and the globalists are using it to create a pathway to their zero carbon dream ( or should that be nightmare). Its not just state by state, but counties by counties, cities by cities within states.
If the House swings red in the mid-terms and Trump gets out of DeSantis’ way for the WH , all may not be lost.
My impression is that the climate oppression is for the ultrarich to finally enjoy their wealth. What joy does wealth bring to a psychopath if everyone else can practically afford the same luxuries? What fun is there going to a beach or some exotic place if it’s full of low-class proles? Or if the air smells of smog? So much better to keep those slaves chained to their workplaces. Only then the royalty can enjoy a full life as it used to a few hundred years ago. In fact, you could get rid of many laborers altogether when robots get smart enough – more Lebensraum for the elites.
I should add this vision has very strong historical parallels – not so long ago servants were not supposed to toil in sight of ladies and lords, but were rather confined to their own mediocre living spaces. I think that sort of feudalism and total control of other people’s lives is what the ultrarich wannabe masters of universe are sorely missing in their modern life.
They do have form.
Sad to say that France has been a 2G country for almost a month now.
And its of interest perhaps that the best selling book this summer in France is…. Mein Kampf.
Less than 4 weeks to our ‘great escape’ attempt.
If the government ever tells our church to require a “vaxport”, negative test or proof of immunity to worship, we will go underground. Again.
Sheets on the hedgerows. It’s not too soon to make a plan.
There will be a whole new church underground, like the Methodist and Quaker movements of old. It will be needed when sanity returns, because the existing churches are dead, dead and rotten, and none stinks worse than the corpse of the CofE under Jellybaby.
I made the decision months ago to ‘go underground’ if these accursed, evil and satanic ‘vaxports’ are required at churches.
At the weekend a small group of us had a social weekend together. One of our number has a ‘barn’ and I was keen to see it. On seeing it, one of us remarked that it had good acoustics for hymns.
Just opposite this barn, literally on the other side of the road, barely 100 feet away, there was a church, which is now closed. Some church committee other is ‘considering its future’.
Rest assured that churches will not be mandated anything any soon. The government is very careful not to cross their best stupidity promoting allies.
Um. Well, our German cousins do have form for this sort of thing. Perhaps, to save time, the unvaccinated could wear a little badge or armband to clarify their “unclean” status?
It’s already been done in Europa Park (an entertainment park) where visitors were given color-coded wristbands depending on their vaccination status, to make it easier for park employees to tell them apart. After complaints, the park removed this innovation, but still… no shit.
Fascistbook slapped a ‘false information’ sticker on this
Businesses given ‘choice’ to bar *(insert minority group here)* FIGHT. BACK. BETTER. – updated useful information, resources and links: https://www.LCAHub.org/
Hospitality on its knees. Do you really think they could give a toss about anyone’s vaxx status especially now we know the vaxx are a total failure and you now need? a third jab. Oh and when the next variant begins after the third jab……you will need a fourth jab. Let’s keep this jab party going til you die. I still don’t know one person who got Covid and died, the oldest being age 87 and not in good health. Like all of us, I know more people who took the Covid vaxx getting Covid.
Why is it so darned difficult for a journalist to ask a politcian or a SAGE advisor or equivalent every time they talk to one to ask the following
As is acknolwledged the vaccine does not prevent a person contracting or indeed transmitting the Covid virus, but it can reduce the symptoms. So why is it such a priority to you and the government to inject all the Adult and now it appears the children in the population when the risk to the non vulnerable is so low? What is the incentive?
Well, the official story is that with delta around 1% of unvaccinated kids may end up in hospital (supposedly already happening in the US).
It’s voluntary but we’ll make your business so difficult to run that you WILL do as we tell you. And your “insurance agent” will now come round on Mondays. Pay up or else.
No logic or awareness of real science; vaxxed and unvaxxed can transmit and perhaps they havn’t heard that masks do nothing useful! These idiots want to run every aspect of our lives.
The official press release from Lower Saxony simply states that “there is no risk originating from vaccinated and recovered individuals”. They also state that the current low number of hospitalizations is “of course due to the high vaccination rate”. When it comes to making up policies, these people now are basically lying and pulling things out of their ass without even bothering to provide any sort of “scientific” reference.
Any business or place of worship that introduces this ugly, irrational policy should be targeted for special attention.