Man Taking Legal Action Over Prison-Like Conditions at Government-Approved Quarantine Hotel
A man from Southampton is taking legal action over the prison-like conditions at a quarantine hotel which he says left him “traumatised” and suffering from depression. He was forced to stay at a Government-approved hotel for ten days (costing him £1,750) after visiting a sick relative in India, which was on the Red List at the time, and claims to have been treated like a “Covid prisoner”. BBC News has the story.
Pritheepal Singh… stayed at Park Plaza Waterloo, London, after visiting a sick relative in India.
He said the experience was like prison, with restricted exercise and food that was inappropriate for his religion.
The Department of Health and Social Care said its “robust border regime” protected the U.K. from Covid.
The hotel said it did its best to make guests feel welcome.
Mr Singh said his stay left him “traumatised” and suffering from depression.
He said: “It was pure fear. I had to go and speak to my doctors. I couldn’t sleep at night.
“I didn’t know that I was going to be treated like a Covid prisoner. It is despicable behaviour – just not acceptable.”
He said security guards stayed by his room to stop him leaving and allocated restricted fresh air breaks on the hotel roof.
Mr Singh added that he was served halal meat, which was not appropriate for his religion. …
On August 12th, the Government raised the price of hotel quarantine per adult from £1,750 to £2,285.
He isn’t the first to complain of poor conditions at a quarantine hotel. Earlier this month, one Brit staying in a Heathrow hotel said he had to move room twice due to a rodent infestation.
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“Man Taking Legal Action Over Prison-Like Conditions at Government-Approved Quarantine Hotel”
Doesn’t this essentially describe the Dolan case, which we lost?
The more legal cases brought against the UK regime the better. They need to be inundated with similar cases to the point of which it makes a mockery of the UK justice system which keeps trying to reject each case.
Oh yes indeed I am all for it, though sadly the battle is probably lost forever more now. The Dolan case was fundamental as it attacked the whole premise of lockdowns, which is ultimately the only battle worth winning. Everything else is just fiddling around at the edges. Any new case that gets to the root of the issue will just be a rehash of the Dolan case, and the Judges will smell it a mile off and refuse to hear it.
Dolan Case:
I am not a legal expert but I did read the case papers and I thought they had a pretty strong case based on my understanding. Lord Sumption, who one presumes is an expert, said he thought the government had no right to use the Public Health Act 1984 instead of the Civil Contingencies Act 2004 and that they did it to circumvent Parliament. The Judge seemed to more or less throw the case out “because covid”.
Mister Sumption is a euroloon, and therefore by definition highly suspect.
I tend to judge arguments on their merits rather than by who is making them. Judging an argument by who is making it is one of the tendencies that got us into the trouble we are in now.
Are judges bought in this country? Anyone know?
A useful summary, Paul.
Obviously, the judge in question didn’t have much grasp other than to poodle-like blithely accept the government case.
Our human and constitutional rights protection is pretty flimsy. That’s not new – but Covid has exposed it. Note that Judicial Review is next on the hit-list for the dictatorship.
Simon Dolan was claiming the government had acted outside the existing rules, rather than challenging their underlying legitimacy, so it wasn’t at all surprising the courts rejected it: after all, it was happening in full view of Parliament, who quite clearly supported what the government were doing. The courts can’t reasonably say that a law is being broken when the sovereign legislator responsible for making and maintaining that law is cheering on the activity in question. That’s especially true when (as Lord Sumption pointed out) all the measures the Government had introduced were within their powers under different Acts (which was the main rationale the courts gave for rejecting the case). What’s needed is a legal challenge that requires the courts to properly examine the doctrine of parliamentary sovereignty and offers them a mandate to declare that the legislation the government has been relying on is unconstitutional. That means a legal challenge that goes well outside the established framework of law and roots itself in the realm of fundamental legal principles. I’ve argued that Parliament only holds sovereignty in trust for the people and I’m reasonably confident the courts would take those arguments seriously but my impression is that most… Read more »
Well, I expect Parliament would have approved it all under the CCA instead, but it was still an abuse of the PHA. But yes I suppose in that sense the challenge was not fundamental. I think monthly re-approval of the legislation in Parliament may have concentrated minds more, but we would probably have ended up in the same place.
Without a deeply accepted protection of inalienable rights, this danger always exists, and plenty of countries ignored constitutional protections, though glad to see Spain have now decided lots of what the goverment did was not legal, conveniently after the event.
Constitutional protections in the form of rules saying the government can’t do x, y or z will never be much good. The flaws I’m talking about are (primarily) the ones which prevent the public properly holding politicians to account, which concentrate power centrally and which force the courts to uphold incoherent and unjust laws.
Obviously, if the underlying problem is with the public, and they are in fact getting the government they deserve, then no constitution will prevent abuse. But as long as we go along with constitutional arrangements that are glaringly inadequate we can’t reasonably expect to be well-governed.
Well, let’s say the government impose a lockdown. If it’s lawful, they are fine. If it’s not lawful, they change the law. Without a law preventing a lockdown that the government cannot easily change, what can the courts do?
The people should be the backstop, but if they have been brainwashed they are not much use. A law preventing government from brainwashing the public would be useful, though again it may well just get ignored.
I totally agree. As I wrote in a blog post last year, “When government ministers justify the suspension of fundamental liberties with a misleading narrative that they themselves have fed us, they usurp our sovereignty as surely as if they were keeping a medieval king ignorant and isolated, so that they could rule in his place. The courts should judge them accordingly.”
” The flaws I’m talking about are (primarily) the ones which prevent the public properly holding politicians to account”
No that’s not it. It’s clearly the lack of restraint on infringements of essential individual rights. The restraint has to operate without any appeal to the fascist’s ‘popular will’.
The Covid issue has brought to the fore the fact that a manipulated public will sanction anything. If we depend simply upon the gullible ‘holding politicians to account’ on basic ethical issues, we are, as seen, truly f.ed.
It’s about that essential difference – the conundrum of balancing individual and community needs within an inclusive democracy and not falling for the naivety (and dictatorship) of simple majoritarianism.
As Camus points up, and which Catch-22 puts into an absurd morality tale – it’s about the power of ‘NO’.
Yes, indeed. That’s why I included as one of the primary flaws the fact that the courts are obliged to uphold incoherent and unjust laws, and it’s why I’ve been arguing for years for a legal principle that laws must be coherent.
Yes, but how would “incoherent” and “unjust” be defined?
That’s an issue that the courts face with all kinds of words in all kinds of situations so they routinely interpret words according to normal usage.
Most people in the UK would define all the coronamadness measures as coherent and just. That includes mandatory vaccinations, lockdowns etc. Most people encompasses judges, not immune to coronamadness themselves. I think something more definite is needed.
Well, that’s not quite how it works. In a legal context, it would mean coherent and just when all aspects of it have been examined forensically, not just according to fashionable prejudice. And coherent means, among other things, that laws should be consistent with uncontroversial, generally accepted principles – including, for example, the principle that officials should act with due care and attention. I don’t see how any court could find that the Government has done that.
Au contraire, I think every court would have found that the government acted with due care and attention. Covid was a deadly pandemic – surely you don’t expect the government to just stand by and let all those people die? Do you really think that Judges are immune from cowardice, gullibility, groupthink and protecting their own careers? Apart from Sumption and Hoar, which current and former members of the legal profession and judiciary have spoken against the madness and fascism, in the UK or anywhere else? The same goes for the medical and scientific community, academia, business, charities, human rights organisations etc etc.
No, I don’t think that and I’m well aware that they might fail to live up to the high standards we’d like them to hold to. In my experience, though, most people try to live up to high expectations but find it quite easy to live down to low ones. So I’m inclined to regard them as innocent until proven guilty: the arguments that have been presented to them so far simply haven’t given them a reasonable opportunity to declare the governments actions unlawful.
That’s your prejudice. You may well be right, but until there’s a case putting that argument I see no reason for believing they would reject it.
Well, your optimism in this regard astonishes me as you seem to be an intelligent person. I hope to see some evidence that you are right, but maintain we’d be better off with a few simple bullet points set in stone, that prevent the removal of certain rights under any circumstances, that are hard to wriggle out of. But of course, no UK legislature would ever ratify such a bill of rights – at least not in the current climate and not for decades to come. There may be an opportunity, in the future, to do this, if the folly and evil of coronamadness is recognised, but I’m not confident. I’m terribly ignorant about history, so I would be interested to see how long certain acts of mass panic and or stupidity and evil took to be recognised.
It’s not so much optimism as scepticism: I’m reserving judgement on judicial integrity until I see clear evidence one way or the other. My position stems, in part, from a belief that how we act now will affect how easily we can establish a system fit for a mature society. Twenty years ago I assumed that some kind of revolution was going to be necessary and worried about how it could be legitimate. Eventually I came up with a definition of Lawful Rebellion which effectively requires that every reasonable attempt must have been made to get grievances addressed through established avenues, whether we expect those attempts to work or not. Basically, my position on lockdown etc is that the kind of arguments that should compel the courts to declare the government’s policy unlawful have not yet been put to them. As to whether I believe they would accept those arguments … I’m not sure I have a belief on it, one way or the other. And, since I’ve been railing against the old abnormal for years, I have no great wish to see it restored; from that perspective, I’d probably be happy for the judiciary to prove themselves as corrupt… Read more »
Didn’t the Dolan case present some of those arguments, and other cases?
I think though that in general the decisions about how to respond to covid, and how important it was, are properly political and not legal – with the proviso of a backstop that prevented certain liberties from being removed under any circumstances.
I think the Dolan case came closest but, as I said in my original comment here, it didn’t attempt to address the constitutional angle which (for the very reason you point out in your second paragraph) is the only way the courts could rule against what the Government has been doing. This is essentially a political issue, and the only way the courts can legitimately intervene is if there are clear grounds for saying that our political processes are working against the public interest.
Dolan’s team argued that the Government was breaking the law within the existing rules. The courts found (quite reasonably, in my view) that an action which is lawful under one law is not rendered unlawful by the fact that the perpetrator is mistakenly justifying it by reference to a different law.
“our political processes are working against the public interest.” Isn’t that in itself essentially a political judgement?
Yes, it is. But then, although the Supreme Court is generally regarded as a purely legal entity, it is fundamentally a political body; a body whose primary function is to define the legal framework – including the constitutional laws which govern how the political sphere works – in ways which support social stability. (Operationally, most of its activity might take place within the framework of law but it does not, in fact, operate within the legal system, it sits on top of it.)
The political sphere can’t operate peacefully without a functioning legal framework and, if political processes become corrupt, the courts have the political power to demand constitutional change. Failing that, the country will have to fall back on force majeure.
I have no issue with the powers being granted under CCA. If all the masks, lockdowns etc were under CCA, they would be subject to weekly parliamentary scrutiny.
What if the scrutiny amounts to no more than assent to black magic – as is the case with lockdowns and masks?
There has to be some connection with scientific reality in defining acceptable measures – simple assent by the fearful, gullible and uninformed is no safeguard against arbitrary dictatorship.
“The courts can’t reasonably say that a law is being broken when the sovereign legislator responsible for making and maintaining that law is cheering on the activity in question. “
Good point. You rightly highlight that the major flaw is the constitutional framework that has drifted on without much thought – not so much the individuals of the judiciary.
The Covid shit-show has really brought this inadequacy to the fore. We desperately need better individual constitutional protections against the excesses brought by stupidity, gullibility and ignorance – whether by the people or parliament. It’s a clear problem for sophisticated democracy – and it’s not new.
Good luck with that. Fear of being financially ruined or even murdered has a vey sobering effect on people who think they may challenge ‘power’. It takes a brave person, with almost unlimited resources to take on the likes of BlackRock who are behind this.
The sold out UK justice system makes a mockery of itself.
Health Passports: “This Is A Global Slave ID – We Have To Act With Speed”
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9EvnUlEDLO0
Campaigners from several groups urge the British public to directly petition their local MP, informing every MP across the country that should they vote to bring in ‘health passports’, they will forever lose the vote of their constituents. These passports will be akin to the Chinese social credit score system and constitute a “global slave ID”. Parliament is to vote on this in two weeks, and it is the hope of the campaigners that enough people will act in time for every MP to have been petitioned before they sit to vote.
E-form petition – https://form.jotform.com/212262582401042
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It’s a moneymaking scam and is evil.
No Al Beeb report is worth reading in full.
The only thing that needs lockdown and quarantine is this poxy government!
Yes – just for a little while, until the guillotines have been wheeled out.
Health Passports: “This Is A Global Slave ID – We Have To Act With Speed”
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9EvnUlEDLO0
Campaigners from several groups urge the British public to directly petition their local MP, informing every MP across the country that should they vote to bring in ‘health passports’, they will forever lose the vote of their constituents. These passports will be akin to the Chinese social credit score system and constitute a “global slave ID”. Parliament is to vote on this in two weeks, and it is the hope of the campaigners that enough people will act in time for every MP to have been petitioned before they sit to vote.
E-form petition – https://form.jotform.com/212262582401042
Don’t know who your MP is? Find your MP:
https://members.parliament.uk/FindYourMP
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An Open Letter to the Unvaccinated
https://drtrozzi.com/2021/08/an-open-letter-to-the-unvaccinated/
Fight. Back. Better.
Useful information, resources and links: https://www.LCAHub.org/
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BBC Caller Forces Another Radio Host Into full On Damage Control Cutting Him Off For Stating Facts
Off topic but significant.
Raoult is being forced out!
https://www.connexionfrance.com/French-news/Outspoken-Marseille-doctor-professor-Didier-Raoult-69-must-retire
The leading French medical expert against insanity is being forced out of his position.
all Gendarmes are to be fuly vaccinated by 15 September, non-removable bracelets are being trialed in Bordeaux for access to restaurants etc. This is happening in France NOW!
France IS a fascist state.
That will weed out the thinkers, serious objectors, doubters, etc from the ranks of the Gendarmerie. 🙁 I’m having trouble imagining French people agreeing to wearing non-removable bracelets though; likely to spoil their look, not chic at all. Seriously. Unless it’s become cool to be vaxxed, that is. Ugh.
Perhaps he should follow Patrick Kings example from Alberta, Canada and get Chris Whitty in court to prove the existence of the covid19 virus, not through bits of it via PCR tests etc but the whole virus. My understanding is that nobody has done so which is why Alberta had to remove all restrictions in place, because if something doesn’t exist they can’t enforce laws for it.
Obviously I don’t have any legal knowledge but Kings subpeona for their, I believe, Chief Medical Officer is available to see online in the court transcript papers.
Good for him. Is there a crowd funding page. I’ll chip in. I hate the virtue signalling bastards behind the policy and I support this man all the way.
Conditions aside, “Mr Singh said his stay left him “traumatised” and suffering from depression.” looks like he’s angling for compensation or a legal case.
I was in town a few weeks back and was having a beer opposite this park plaza hotel and the place was alive with deliveroo riders dropping off food. The outside was patrolled with hi vis types and the windows were full of people peering out through the curtains. I asked a security guard if it was a detention camp and he confirmed it was used for 11 days quarantine. When I asked about excercise as the hotel is surrounded by loads of busy roads, he told me inmates had 2x 15 on the roof per day and laughed when I expressed surprise that this was tolerated!
It that was the intention of this gov’t in the first place. To cause as much harm, physically and mentally as it was legally possible.to do.
Wish they put this much effort into tackling real crime😂😂😂😂
the whole world is being turned into a prison
RIDICUOUS 2021 Kids Learn OUTSIDE This Winter If Positive Cases Detected
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