Doesn’t It All Seem So Very Odd?
There follows a guest post by retired dentist Dr. Mark Shaw on the strangeness of this ongoing ‘pandemic’.
I was booked in for a telephone consultation with a new representative from my pension company recently. We introduced ourselves and somehow couldn’t avoid the subject of Covid. I didn’t want to get too involved in a potentially awkward discussion but couldn’t hold back from highlighting the illogic in so much of the Government’s response to the disease. I sensed he too wanted to remain neutral so it was both a relief and quite surprising to hear him respond with: “I have to agree – it all does seem so very odd.”
Do I sense a point in time, a turning point, now where more and more people are thinking the same?
In the last 18 months:
- How is it that cases (in the medical clinical sense) were in the past always referred to as those patients with symptoms (i.e. real patients) but are now classified as people who have tested positive on a (novel and unreliable) test?
- How is it that symptomless people now have to isolate when this was not necessary for people with flu (a deadly respiratory virus) pre-Covid? Where is the evidence that people without symptoms spread illness?
- If vaccination helps stop spread (and most of the population are vaccinated), and the elderly and vulnerable are much less likely to be seriously ill having been vaccinated, then why do the vaccinated need to isolate, and why should any asymptomatic person isolate?
- If most who were seriously ill from Covid were the very old and vulnerable and they have been vaccinated, why should everyone else be jabbed when herd immunity can be reached naturally and is likely to be a stronger, safer form of immunity?
- Why have deaths from Covid been recorded as deaths occurring within 28 days of a positive test when no such recording system was used pre-Covid for infective respiratory diseases?
- How come, for all the years I studied and practised as a dentist, there was no good evidence that wearing masks in public had any beneficial effect whatsoever against airborne viruses, until Covid came along? (Hint: it’s not because there is now good scientific evidence for masks.)
- How come, if I search hard enough on the internet, I’m seeing huge crowds protesting against lockdowns and forced vaccinations in cities across the world, but this is not shown on the BBC?
- Why has the Government not invited any (zero) of the well-known medical experts from organisations such as HART, like Dr Clare Craig and Dr John Lee, and those endorsing the Great Barrington Declaration to scrutinise the data presented by SAGE at the numerous Government press briefings?
- Why has the BBC been interviewing young adults recently who are reluctant to be vaccinated and portraying them as being naïve, lacking intelligence, courage or having extreme conspiracy theories whilst not broadcasting interviews with many thousands of sensible young adults who would question the logic and have genuine health concerns following their balanced, logical risk assessment?
- If the disease is now still so deadly why can politicians, FIFA officials etc. be exempt from some of the restrictions imposed on the public? Why can healthcare workers and other key workers be ‘pinged’ but then exempted from isolating if the disease is so deadly?
- Why has the BBC not openly debated for hours on end the evidence that lockdowns work or that they cause huge overall harm? And if they work why are ‘cases’ plummeting since ‘Freedom Day’, and why have countries like Sweden and some states in America with no meaningful lockdowns or mask-wearing mandates fared no worse than those with strict lockdowns?
- Why have the principles of informed consent, first do no harm, careful prescribing following a thorough risk/benefit analysis, and an ethical obligation to prevent patients from being coerced into accepting a particular course of medical treatment all been abandoned specifically for Covid?
While my own experience of not knowing anyone who has died from Covid may not be representative, I do see hundreds of people each day who are still alive and well. I have talked to many people each week since February 2020 and I have only heard of one relative of these people that died of or with Covid. Maybe my situation is completely unique but I have also searched the internet for celebrities and those in the public eye who have died from Covid and can’t find anyone I know of and, of those listed, many were in their 70s, 80s or over (isn’t this more dying of old age?). I know that people really are dying of Covid and it would be just as daft to pretend people don’t die of flu and old age but if it is so deadly, why don’t I know or have heard of more of them?
Doesn’t it all seem so very odd?
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That nails it. All of it.
It certainly does , also I have noticed people over the last week actually thinking about all this at last !!..
In a way this concerns me. If the ends seem to be fraying and people starting to notice, what will *they* do in response?
BoJo will no doubt soon be rustling up a new terrifying super deadly variant
I was very happy to hear my hairdresser (early 20s) say she didn’t want the jab as she’d already had covid so had natural immunity. She also questioned covid passes and said she wanted to tell people who asked about her vaccine status to mind their own business.
From what I see, people are indeed slowly waking up.
I’m totally with your hairdresser! The only topic of conversation at my place of work is “have you had your jab yet?”. So far I’ve managed to dodge the question. A lot of my colleagues are very left-wing, worship the NHS and think this jab is our saviour. In my mind, the status of your health is between you and your doctor. No-one else needs to know! I mean, would you ask a man in his late 50’s if he’d had his prostate checked recently? Or ask a woman of a similar age if she’d started the menopause? I would say probably not.
Which is why if asked I reply “do you have an STD?” tends to either bemuse them or shuts them up. 😊
Whenever I’m asked I reply no and then I explain in great detail why. It’s an education to see the reaction. Often I’ll be told “Don’t come near me then.” To which I respond “Why, I thought you’d been vaccinated”. It makes me laugh every time.
Your colleagues are going to die soon.
I’m the same as your hairdresser. I then go on to explain about memory cells, T-cells etc., and how my natural immunity is greater and more enduring than that from any vaccine. Sadly though, most people make little effort to understand, their minds frozen by project fear and what they consider to be my civic duty.
My MP got the jab after covid recovery and was far more ill from the jab than he’d been from the virus. It’s also a high possibility that the jab has now interfered with his naturally acquired immunity, leaving him as vulnerable as everyone else who’ve been jabbed and who will find themselves in a perpetual cycle of boosters.
I know that people are waking up, but it’s so s-l-o-w. The media are to blame, of course, and for whatever reason, GB News has proved no better so I’ve given up on them too. Vaccine deaths and life-changing disabilites run into thousands and none of them says a word.
‘My MP got the jab after covid recovery and was far more ill from the jab than he’d been from the virus. It’s also a high possibility that the jab has now interfered with his naturally acquired immunity, leaving him as vulnerable as everyone else who’ve been jabbed and who will find themselves in a perpetual cycle of boosters.‘
By-election soon then.
A list of questions that should be put to every senior politician and SAGE member, and full answers required, with hostile cross-examination backed by experts from the sceptical camp, under oath.
Until that’s done, we can never say we’ve had a proper inquiry into this panic.
Can’t disagree. Suspect we’ll need an independent inquiry…
When we are all dead. How could such a thing be appointed anyway?
Well, from amongst all we non-vaccinated, I suppose.
OK, so was this all really a cock-up or was it a conspiracy after all?
“I was booked in for a telephone consultation with a new representative from my pension company recently. ”
Good job it was a telephone conversation. The pension rep attended my daughter’s work last week (on her day off). He gave Covid to two people, and the rest have been pinged. One individual is in hospital on oxygen and in a bad way. She was 46 and hadn’t had any of the vaccines. None of the vaccinated have gone down with Covid, but neither has the unvaccinated smoker.
They were all in the same infected airspace. They were all still wearing masks…
All were exposed in the same way, yet who gets it and who doesn’t seems to be a dice roll.
It works like the flu: The virus is aerosolized and suspended in the air you breathe (masks can not work, because they don’t stop you breathing room air. Any individual with co-morbidities and/or is stressed at that time, will be infected.
The vaccine has been pushed on everyone, even the recovered. This was done to push up the recovered (who will be immune for years), from the unvaccinated to the vaccinated camp, thereby increasing the “effectiveness” of the vaccine and spoiling the data of the “trial”
The point is not the air you breathe in. It is the air you breathe out and this potential infect others. There is evidence that surgical masks significantly reduces aerosol size particles that you emit – particularly if you are talking. https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-020-72798-7
So how come mask mandates never show any significant change in the progress of epidemics? And how come huge mask wearing compliance never seems to protect against epidemics?
It’s almost as though the issue is actually very complicated in practice and there are confounding factors that outweigh any hypothetical mechanical processes such as those you describe.
Regardless, masks, and especially mask mandates, help to spread the fear that has been at the heart of the disaster that has been the panic over-reaction to covid, and for that reason alone they are counterproductive and wearing them either foolish or evil.
Masks do not filter – they act predominately as a barrier. But the exhaled breath has to go somewhere. The effectiveness of masks is not a medical issue but a physics one
The air has to go somewhere but the aerosol particles can collect on the inside of the mask until it is washed or discarded or simply left somewhere unworn to dry out.
What happens to the virus while the mask is drying out, discarded?
It will die very quickly without any moisture.
That’s reassuring for those who have to pick up other people’s masks and dispose of them.
A very tiny fraction do – but what really happens is that most of the exhaled air just “bounces” back from the inner surface – some of your breath won’t even hit the surface – it gets caught up in the turbulent airflows.
Just as most of the vape in the picture above doesn’t get captured by the mask.
Consider also that in 2 hours the average human exhales 40ml of water vapour – that’s quite a lot, and even accounting for evaporation there’s no way the mask is collecting this.
I would argue that masks aren’t a medical or physics issue, but a psychological one.
I agree that the issue is very complicated in practice and it is hard to pick out the contribution of mask wearing. In particular, you can’t tell much from those charts you see around which draw a graph of cases against time, pick out the point where a mask mandate was introduced, and cry – see it made no difference! – or whatever. There are just too many factors to draw conclusions about what would have happened if the mandate hadn’t been introduced.
However, if you do some kind of multiple regression or similar statistical analysis over many states/countries you can draw some conclusions over the mask contribution:
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7695060/
https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.03.31.20048652v1
https://www.goldmansachs.com/insights/pages/face-masks-and-gdp.html
Commercially available masks worn by untrained people in community environments are ineffective. That’s the conclusion of all the credible studies.
Masks cause multiple harms, both physical and mental.
Masks are seen by governments as a form of social control and fear amplification.
Please don’t say ‘its just a mask’.
Commercially available masks worn by untrained people in community environments are ineffective. That’s the conclusion of all the credible studies.
I have just provided links to three peer reviewed studies that suggest the opposite.
Masks cause multiple harms, both physical and mental.
Can you provide a link? I have never seen a study that showed that masks do any physical or mental harm when worn by adults in a normal setting i.e. shopping or at a public event. All I have seen is studies on medical staff wearing them for prolonged periods in a medical context or the occasional study on children in a classroom environment (which I would not support). (There may be such studies but I still haven’t be shown one.)
Just compare North Dakota and South Dakota – no difference in infection rates. Masks don’t work – but increased CO2 levels in the blood are unhealthy, so too is breathing in bacteria from the ‘petri dish’ of a mask after 30+ minutes use.
“it is hard to pick out the contribution of mask wearing.”
Trans : “There is no scientific evidence for mask wearing. The null hypothesis stands.”
i.e. What we said.
I produced a meme that illustrates the point. It’s not great, but essentially, as far as I’m aware (and others have stated this too) there are dozens of RCT’s on mask wearing (surgical masks) that do not show any significant benefit to their use in terms of reducing infections – and none that do show any significant benefit
I think the picture is a bit different for N95 masks where some, but not all, studies have shown a modest benefit.
The positive “evidence” from this last year is mostly coming from associational studies and attempts to measure aerosols and droplets in a lab setting.
The statement “the evidence for the effectiveness of masks in reducing infection from an airborne respiratory virus is extremely weak” is as true today as it was before this pandemic began.
I don’t think it is that simple. From this August 2020 review.
In general, the results show protection for healthcare workers and community members, and likely benefit of masks used as source control. We found eight clinical trials (Aiello et al., 2012; Simmerman et al., 2011; Larson et al., 2010; Aiello et al., 2010; MacIntyre et al., 2009; Cowling et al., 2008, Suess et al., 2012; Cowling et al., 2009) on the use of masks in the community (Table 1). In the community, masks appear to be effective with and without hand hygiene, and both together are more protective (Aiello et al., 2012; Aiello et al., 2010; MacIntyre et al., 2009). However, some randomised controlled trials which measured both hand hygiene and masks measured the effect of hand hygiene alone, but not of masks alone (Simmerman et al., 2011, Cowling et al., 2009). In more than one trial, interventions had to be used within 36 hours of exposure to be effective (Cowling et al., 2009; Suess et al., 2012).
Ah yes. And anxiety is the second biggest risk factor.
You’re wrong about that.The aerosol particles are much smaller than the gaps in the weave of the mask and pass in and out with ease. It’s been described as like hurling marbles at scaffolding,some will hit the scaffold poles and bounce off but most will pass straight through. Masks are pure theatre.
I have a choice of believing you or a peer reviewed study in Nature. Do you blame me for going with the latter?
Please post the link so we can see for ourselves. One article does not a case make. Most pro masking studies are in medical environments involving trained personnel.
I did post it. Here it is again:
https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-020-72798-7
Just found it and read it. Can’t find a proper peer reviewed section. It’s full of caveats, opinions, preprints and ‘most scientists.
It’s an opinion piece from a renowned pro panic publication.
I think we are talking about different papers.
To be absolutely sure this is the one I meant:
https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-020-72798-7
Anything published in Nature’s scientific reports has to be peer reviewed.
Pray – show us the inflections in the (real) infection/mortality curves that demonstrate this significant difference when masks were introduced in different areas/countries.
I’d be fascinated to see this hitherto unobserved phenomenon (ditto lockdowns)
The study quoted looked at only ten subjects, far too small to draw any conclusions. It also did not on its own account consider the issue of air escaping around the sides of the face covering. However, despite these failures (which took two minutes to find in the study – and I gave up reading after the non-consideration of the air escape issue – they seem happy to make generalised sweeping statements about mask effectiveness.
If you don’t like that one, I dug up two more. They are not specifically about Covid but the point about aerosols is the same:
https://www.nature.com/articles/s41591-020-0843-2?fbclid=IwAR1WI0_kJaGqvvm0VvRV1AEitGdgOJ0kAt52NB-Xv_AUY0Ce_C558kuzcbQ
https://journals.plos.org/plospathogens/article?id=10.1371/journal.ppat.1003205&fbclid=IwAR1iiPbVEWbZDmIrO6BT197Y4hllxA-UlnxwWe-jQbhT4t4QB8EswVweyx4
Both about surgical masks. Completely different scenario.
Surgical masks are the blue ones you see all over the place. You can buy them for a few pence each. I have a box full of them. Are you saying they are OK but other commercially available masks are not? If so, glad to join you on a campaign for people to wear surgical masks.
People don’t wear them properly, nor do they dispose of them properly or replace them often enough. They do nothing to stop the spread of the virus, which numerous real-world examples have demonstrated. They are very bad for people’s health though, in increasing CO2 levels and decreasing o2 levels in the blood.
Sophistry at its best. There are two elements here. The mask and the wearer. Firstly, not all blue masks are created equal. Secondly if the wearer is untrained the mask is irrelevant. I repeat. Masking in the community is purely a social control/virtue signalling exercise.
If you can smell a fart through underpants and trousers then your mask is not doing anything other than waving your flag of capitulation.
Always been thus.
Really
What is Covid?
Really?? So out of two who caught Covid one is in hospital, and she just happens to be in her 40’s and unvaccinated.
That kind of scare story may work on the BBC but you are on the Daily Sceptic, so forgive me for being sceptical.
Plus your last turn of phrase “roll of the dice” is preferred by the more brazen Covidians out their like Christopher Snowden.
Surprised you didn’t add ‘Go get your jab’ at the end.
Lucan Grey is a believer in the wisdom of getting jabbed, and a believer in Magic Money Trees. But he/she is a lockdown sceptic.
I suppose even lockdown Sceptics can’t agree on everything. Apologies Lucan for my tone, but my sense about the jabs was right.
Where’s the NHS advert and plea to Save The NHS to go with this nonsense? For a start off how do you know it was the pension rep and not someone else? Also, why do you not mention the mysterious other one who was, presumably, not 46 and almost certainly had the untested unlicenced never to be licenced because there is no control group Vaccine? Was it rather inconvenient to have to mention one had the jab and the other didn’t? You are not on the BBC here matey.
“He gave Covid to two people,” . How can that possibly be proven?
Not sure why you got so hammered with down-votes for that one, LC. I was expecting to see a pro-vax tirade, but I can only assume it’s just because you wrote: “None of the vaccinated have gone down with Covid”, but since you mention only two cases it’s hardly significant.. Anyway, still waiting for you to explain your suggestion that “the evidence is against” the risk of a Marek’s disease-style “leaky” vaccine driven increase in the virulence of covid. As far as I can see, there’s no reason why the logic that applied to Marek’s and to avian flu shouldn’t equally apply to covid, with these equally “leaky”vaccine-type treatments. Basically, the mass use of a vaccine that keeps alive and active (and therefore spreading) infected people who have a more dangerous variant that would otherwise put them out of action quickly, and therefore stop them spreading, removes the competitive bias against such variants and reverses the usual process of pathogens evolving towards greater infectiousness and lower virulence. That is a clear potential for that with this mass vaccination campaign and there can be no significant “evidence” against it, because the information is not there – the treatments have not been… Read more »
Because people think he’s making it up. I, for one, have had 2 people on one of my hobby websites with equivalent “I saw this” stories only to later admit that they made them up. Social media is full of identical posts from a multitude of different accounts, either bots or people copying something to pretend for attention.
LC has been posting here for ages. He may be making it up, but it seems far fetched to me that anyone would spend months posting seemingly sincere stuff on a niche site to then start trolling. Most trolls get bored much more quickly.
If you’re going to post such scare stories and shameless Vax propaganda, please make some attempt to make them credible and relevant.
How many people were present? How do you know it was this gentleman who was the infector. Was he vaccinated? Was he symptomatic? ‘Pings’ are as we know completely spurious.
If the lady on oxygen is still alive then why ‘was’ she 46. Surely she still is and will probably be 47 next year. Does she have any pre existing conditions? Many people in hospital are ‘on oxygen’ at various concentrations for a multitude of reasons.
There is no such thing as ‘infected airspace’. There is air in a room that may contain various concentrations of a large number of viruses.
All in all this is a poor attempt at scaremongering.
D-. Must try harder.
“The pension rep attended my daughter’s work last week (on her day off). He gave Covid to two people, and the rest have been pinged. One individual is in hospital on oxygen and in a bad way.”
Doesn’t work in terms of time scales. Doh!
How do you know the rep gave them Covid?
If the individual in hospital is in a bad way, it’s a pity she wasn’t given Ivermectin as soon as she exhibited symptoms! I hope she make a full recovery – at 46, she should.
Yes, I heard smoking increases protection from viral infection.
As a trainer I spend time with small/medium sized groups of people who will be from a mix of different companies. Although not a scientific test group, when they are together as a group of 10+ they express solidarity with the Govt approach up to a point. I haven’t had a group yet that openly questions what has gone on in the last 18mths. However, break that group down into smaller teams of 3-4 people and the whole ‘climate’ within the group changes, they are doubtful about the apps, vaccines, the evidence for lockdown and perhaps more importantly the performance of Johnson and his metropolitan cronies.
Not scientific I know, but I was calling Brexit 3 months before the vote. Even the MSM is turning on them, apparently Johnson is telling anybody who will listen that he can’t live on his current income as PM. We’ll have a new PM by Christmas. Let’s see if that call is correct?
I’ve not met anyone, anywhere on an indivdual level who supports the government measures rationally. Those that do, do so from an almost religious standpoint. Debating mask and lockdown effectiveness with them is like trying to debate various articles of faith with the adherent of any religion. It’s like asking “what evidence do you have that Jesus rose from the dead on the third day?”
I hope to God it is and that this Government falls apart, years more of these shallow liars is a nightmare and I am ashamed I voted for them. I will never vote Tory again though I can tell you that.
You will probably never be allowed to vote again anyway! The UK is now a fascist dictatorship. There may be no opposition to the One True Party.
Now get on your hands and knees, Priti Patel’s shoes are a bit dirty and need a cleaning with your tongue.
That’s pretty much where we are now.
Not all the tories are bad. My mp is desmond swayne. He mirrors our concerns as do quite a lot of back benchers
If Johnson goes, which I think unlikely, we’d better pray that he’s replaced by some on the slightly less lunatic/evil wing of the cabinet – Sunak, Javid. If it’s anyone from Gove/Shapps/Raab biofascist wing then life will get even worse than it already is.
Seriously? Replace the same with the same?
It wouldn’t make much difference, but it may make some. Reading between the lines, there are factions in the cabinet with differing views on covid. But they are all guilty as hell in my book.
Wishy washy is controlled by high finance – those who funded and groomed us for continual protests and riots in London for 2 years prior.
Prickstick Patel by the country beginning with I (not India) along with Shapps and Raab.
The swamp is just as deep here as it is in the US.
The group size issue you raise is extremely interesting. The bigger the group, the more the reputational risk the person suffers which is why social media is so powerful for making or breaking reputations.
Interesting. Have you heard of the Asch conformity experiments? Where the participant says an obviously wrong answer so as to conform to the answers given by the rest of a group (who are all actors)?
Asch did a few variations of those experiments and found that group size and unanimity have a big effect on conformity. If you have a smaller group, or even just one person breaks the consensus of a large group, people are much less likely to conform and much more likely to say what they actually think.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TYIh4MkcfJA
If Boris didn’t father 4 or 5 different children out of wedlock he would have some money at the end of the week.
Nothing odd, it is all going to plan. The technocrats and psychocrats that meet regularly at places like Davos and Sun Valley are looking after us all.
Yes. It certainly is odd. I, too, wondered why there was a laxity around restrictions and so many exemptions to the rules when we were told that this disease was so deadly. And, on visiting a memorial at our local crematorium, to be told by the groundsman that last winter cremations reached 12 per day (‘as they do every winter’ he said) the penny dropped for me. There have been many ‘giveaways’ such as the age-standardised annual mortality rates published by the Institute & Faculty of Actuaries…unreported in the mainstream media. Hitchens was probably right in blaming government panic and incompetence at the outset of Covid. But, having spent seventeen months denying, and distancing myself from, conspiracy theories, some do now look more credible. Especially as our politicians and the media influencers seem bent on transforming society at breakneck speed under the cover of the virus.
Opportunism, and self preservation (politically) is at large.
I think many of us have got to this point by a similar process of looking at the actual data, and finding a total disconnect with the government narrative.
Mine happened when the ‘news conferences’ started in late March 2020 (?) and all the markers of a propaganda narrative appeared, reinforced by BBC reporting and investigative journalism disappearing over the horizon in pursuit of continuing healthy salaries.
I looked at mortality data – and voila!
I’ve not noticed any turning point. Vast majority of my work colleagues and acquaintances are still 100% convinced covid was exceptional and they’ve all been vaxxed.
Agree 100%. My wife and I are both retired dentists and were never under any illusion that masks protected us from respiratory viruses. We have tried to discuss this and the other points in this article with friends and family without much success. I worry for all the mask wearers who have been conned into believing they are protecting themselves and others.
But if the virus is on the wane and is becoming low risk to everyone, the masks are irrelevant
I have 3 dentist friends in Germany who are all Covidians and love masks.
I sent them the respective studies, but all they say is ‘I have no problems, no outbreaks at dentist practices so they must work’.
One of them has a house in Sweden.
He goes on vacation there to mask up and educate the locals thereby.
Needless to say, we have little contact anymore.
Odd is the word. I don’t know anyone who has been hospitalised through Covid. I only know of two people, since March last year, who have even had it…and one had a positive test even though his symptoms were a headache and diarrhoea, nothing respiratory. I certainly haven’t heard of anyone, amongst all the people I know, having died…..or even hearing of anyone they know having died with or from covid.
I don’t even know of anyone who has been “pinged”. I don’t think very many people that I mix with even have the NHS app, and one who did have it has recently deleted it.
I know someone who looks after a Cemetery, he reports no excess burials. The numbers have been much the same as any other year. The only difference has been a few busy weeks through people holding back interments, because of restrictions on numbers at funerals. Overall, the numbers are not unusual or excessive. In fact this year has been a bit quieter than normal.
So where are all the cases coming from then? Or is someone just plain lying? And if so, why?
I know people who have been pinged or had positive tests, no one seriously ill. This pandemic is just not visible to most of us
Yes. Please read my piece above about cremations.
Here in Suffolk I still know far more people who had a suspiciously covid-like illness between October 2019 and February 2020 than had “official” covid. All survived. A relative of a friend (healthcare worker) was hospitalised but got out again.
There are lots of old folk here and often a winter purge. One year there were more ambulances than buses going up and down the street for a while.
Nothing at all like that in the last two years.
I did overhear a couple of nurses talking, they were being tested every three days and one said their patients were “dropping like flies”, I assume an old folks home. This was just after the flu vaccine campaign, not sure when the covid “vaccine” was rolled out.
In general though nothing out of the ordinary at all.
It’s even more bizarre when you consider the context.
This is a disease that is, maybe, twice as bad as an outbreak of a very severe flu. In 2 such flu seasons we can easily reach 60,000 deaths. We’ve had 2 covid seasons and have reached (maybe) 120,000 deaths – and that’s being a bit over “generous” with the official figures which we know significantly over-estimate the impact.
So, for a disease that is twice as bad as a flu, which we have lived with quite normally without the need for any restrictions whatsoever, we have done all this? The outrageous disproportionality of the measures taken really does beggar belief.
The measures are not even slightly commensurate with the threat level.
One might also ask why phrases like “build back better” and “the new normal” were talked about very early on in the pandemic. How could they possibly know, at this stage, that we were going to have to radically re-structure our societies?
And consider that this radical re-structuring is deemed necessary for a disease that is only twice as bad as flu.
Doesn’t really add up at all does it?
Strip out the 30-50% of covid deaths that are hospital-acquired and you’re back at a tolerable 60,000pa. Always remember that “our NHS” killed Captain Colonel Sir Tom Moore.
How, have I missed something?
“ twice as bad as an outbreak of a very severe flu”
Nowhere near – by any criterion! It is a disease of LOW severity.
Or – as PHE agreed NO ‘High Consequence’.
Check the mortality figures. Don’t even bother with age adjustment – just population standardisation will prove the point.
I feel the objective is to condition us with continual lockdowns.
Climate lockdowns will occur when we realise Tesla battery farms are a death trap and cannot store enough power. The population is very is easy to control when there is no energy. They already control the money printing.
It’s actually at the bottom end of the Severe Flu IFR scale. A typical severe flu has an IFR of 0.2-0.4%. Covid19 is looking like 0.15-0.2%. Also the latter is heavily skewed towards the very old and/or already immunocompromised. In those <70 and reasonable healthy the IFR is significantly lower. In the much younger age groups it trends towards zero. This cannot be said for influenza, which historically causes fatalities across the board.
I suspect more people than we realise might be thinking along the same lines but are discouraged from speaking out due to the daily doom laden messaging from the main stream media and the fact the government has been keeping us all isolated for the last 16 months.
Which says something about the calibre of most people.
No. It emphasizes the power of brainwashing.
I think the biggest obstacles are:
1) Fear of the virus. Lots of people are still worried – lots are not, but a significant number are
2) Reluctance to admit to yourself and others than you were wrong and have been had – sunk cost fallacy
3) Resistance to facing the awful truth that our leaders are evil
Great post.
On 1) Agreed there is still a huge amount of fear. Most obvious signal is mask wearing outside. There are two men, who look to be in their late/mid 30s, who some lunchtimes take a stroll together past my house, and have been doing so for a long time now. Both wear masks ( the white heavy grade ones) and walk at more than arms length from each other. It’s a stark picture. I would love to know their story.
2) Human nature, cognitive dissonance, and might there also be an element that you have been enjoying the virtue signalling, clapping, rainbows, making masks for your neighbours, keeping people safe by following the arrows blah blah blah. Who knew saving your fellow man could make you feel this good!
3) this I know to be a fact because I have actually had people say to me “I trust the Government” or “Why would they do that?”
Blows the mind.
““I trust the Government””
… led by one of the most notorious (and known) liars to cross the threshold of No.10. 🙂
I reckon that’s right.
The one that is most underestimated is the last. It’s what I call the ‘abusing parent’ or ‘Sugar Daddy’ syndrome, and it is very powerful – and in total contradiction to the tedious and empty rhetoric about ‘politicians’ that you hear.
Captain Sir Tom Moore, who surely must be THE celebrity of the pandemic, died from Covid. However, he was over 100 and he caught it in one of “our NHS” hospitals.
Those who have been vaxxed, must be so disappointed that (1) their immunity is short lived and (2) they can get COVID, transmit it, need hospitalisation and occasionally some have now died.
They will be mighty reluctant to admit it
Have you ever received the paper leaflets issued by the NHS, and did you read them? Makes one wonder whether anyone does do that. They haven’t promised that they won’t catch the virus, or pass it on (to use their terms). Only that it may reduce the symptoms, in effect.
Exactly! I suspect this person’s experience reflects that of many, many folk. And I suspect that the number of vaxxed is in reality way lower than the 90% oft quoted.
Most people I know have been jabbed, so from my POV the official figures seem accurate
Sadly I must agree, it is like the Borg have assimilated everyone over the age of 30 in Scotland. There are a few who hold out, hidden in corners and caves but sadly most now belong to the collective.
Probably wishful thinking on my part. But if it’s only 10% who are not jabbed why are they pushing it so? Do they imagine that small a number will infect the minds of parents to not get their kids jabbed? Doubt it. So what’s the game?
They want to get rid of any meaningful control group.
The 90% is for the groups that were first in the queue – older people mainly. It’s much less than 90% among the young.
This is succinctly put and gets to the very heart of the matter, in a no nonsense, matter of fact way. Which is how it needs to be approached to avoid the usual conspiracy labels that are thrown at folk for daring to mention these truths out loud!
thank you Dr Shaw.
Would be great on a flyer, and put through every letterbox!
The phrases “build back better” and “the new normal” were adopted very quickly, in fact unbelievably quickly, across the world. Tells it all really doesn’t it?
I know many old people from here in East Anglia to Blackburn in the North West. Aged between 78 and 101 with different ailments. THEY ARE ALL STILL HERE…enjoying relatively good health despite this ‘deadly virus’ killing the vulnerable!
Why do the ONS excess deaths not reach the figures quoted for those quoted as dying of covid, are they included in the average 600,000 yearly, the excess deaths are no where near the 120,000.
Because lockdowns saved thousands of people who would have died in ordinary circumstances. Like from flu or car accidents.
That is what people who you present your argument to and refuse to budge say.
A good account to Follow on Gab:
https://gab.com/vaccineregrets
Most interesting, thanks
“A list of questions that should be put to every senior politician and SAGE member, and full answers required, with hostile cross-examination backed by experts from the sceptical camp, under oath.” Haha! Does anyone seriously believe this is going to happen? You are living under a lie. No-one is brave enough to actually do anything about it, though, other than waffle about where spike proteins might end up, talk about ‘Nuremburg 2’, and wave some placards on a ‘peaceful protest’. Oh, and there might be a tussle with the Police and a few protesters carted off in Police vans. What will happen is that the Vaccine Passport, which is already here, will be used to control your lives. Those who don’t get ‘vaccinated’ will not be accepted into the ‘New Society’ and will find themselves barred from services, refused employment, refused medical treatment, refused to be allowed onto public transport, denied Social Security payments and unemployment benefits. Your children will be ‘vaccinated’ in their schools whether you like it or not. Every day more are ‘vaccinated’ and there are fewer ‘unvaxxed’. The noose is tightening. Depressing, I know, but we cannot live on hope and optimism alone. Kids have already… Read more »
Try having a telephone appointment with an NHS Physiotherapist, that was weird..I’ve had no problems seeing a Dentist or a Practice Nurse…as GP’s go AWOL….
I always assumed physios were hands-on pre 2020 but even then all they did was ask clipboard questions and send you away with an exercise sheet without laying a finger on you.
I had a fairly good one when I did something unspeakably painful to my neck/shoulder. He listened, poked around a bit then went out of the room to fetch an exercise sheet. When he came back in I was already doing the exercise he recommended because I discovered it worked . . .
Apologies, off topic, but might bring a smile to those that haven’t seen this yet, (I know most will have).
Years ahead of his time!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X29lF43mUlo
George Carlin’s bit about his immune system. It’s a classic.
2020, people scared shitless, everything locked down to save the NHS thus enabling it to choreograph morale boosting TikTok dances. Everybody banged pots and pans. Every one noticed. Business fucked. 2003 to 1920 all years had a higher death rate per 100,000 than 2020. No one noticed. 1940 had a far higher rate of death per 100,000 than in 2020. Every one noticed the Blitz. Business as usual. When in trouble, when in doubt, run in circles, scream and shout. Bang those pans, smash those pots, clap your hands, lots and lots. What am I doing, you may ask, just be quiet, wear your mask. Anon (soon to be unknown) Still, never mind. Look on the bright side of life. The past 18 months or so have confirmed all of my best feelings about this England and its population of fearful virtue signaling supine bullying baying malleable inhabitants who have so easily betrayed the memories of those who fought and died to give them the freedom to be able to throw away the liberties they have obviously become bored with. Oh Boris Boris you wonderful beautiful bumbling charming charlatan with your chatelaine beside you. Dominate me and dangle the fruits… Read more »
Not just in England, as The Postcards show, and then not even in England, as the Football, festivals, social gatherings show. Maybe its all pysops
Because this has nothing to do with a disease it’s all to do with surveillance and control. PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE WAKE UP EVERYONE!!!
DO NOT CONSENT, DO NOT COMPLY. Say NO! NO! NO!
Says it all…
Any day now Toby is going to announce on London Calling that Delingpole has been right all along and that the crisis is being orchestrated.
I can feel it coming…
I’m waiting for the moment when Julia Hartley Brewer realises that the injections are not all they’re cracked up to be, to put it mildly.
Out on the town last night. Bumped into someone I’d not seen since the start of the first lockdown. He recently caught Covid even though he was double jabbed. The person he caught it off? Yep, double jabbed too.
This isn’t a vaccine. Must be a lot of people out there who’ve played the game and caught it. Got to be people asking themselves similar questions now.
This is a finely put explanation of the oddity of it all. It’s especially interesting to hear from questioning people from within the medical community. As I’ve said before, I’ve never been aware of people dropping in the streest, ambulances racing about and over-worked crematoria. The only people I have heard of being affected by covid has come from overheard conversations in shops. However, I do know a member of my small keep-fit group who developed bell’s palsy after receiving the jab. When I asked her whether she had reported it she was surprised to learn from me about the Yellow Card reporting system. How many others with side effects have not entered the reported figures, I ask? A former work colleague has bottled out of his second jab after hearing disturbng news about side effects, including a prominent figure within our work circle who, to quote, ‘had a massive heart attack caused by a blood clot on the afternoon that he had his second jab.’ I’m sure others can provide similarly disturbing anecdotal evidence. As regards the BBC, it’s not fit for purpose. Everything it touches displays its political agenda. Even it’s new show Baptiste is turning into a… Read more »
Two thirds of adults are overweight or obese. Two thirds of adults may well have a personal cost benefit analysis tending towards NPIs and injections.
It’s not odd at all once you realise that this is an agenda being played out to give more power and contol to the ruling class (not politicians). We’re being led into a Chinese style social credit system and what is odd is that most people cannot see it.
“We’re being led into a Chinese style social credit system and what is odd is that most people cannot see it.” Absolutely, very very strange. My Partner’s family all intelligent people (supposedly) all had both jabs either completely unaware or when I talk about it think I’m the one that’s mad! Very very odd. I’m afraid heads and brick walls spring to mind. At my wits end really.