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Hugh
Hugh
4 years ago

“Labour to back vaxports”.

So Labour confirm they are a party of discrimination and apartheid. When will we get a real opposition? Dreadful, dreadful news.

Rogerborg
4 years ago
Reply to  Hugh

Specifically: Labour back proof of being double-jabbed and evidence of a negative “test”.

Julian
4 years ago
Reply to  Rogerborg

No doubt that is where we are heading – in line with Fascist Europe. Napoleon, Hitler, Covid.

chris c
chris c
4 years ago
Reply to  Hugh

Really, was anyone surprised?

Hugh
Hugh
4 years ago
Reply to  chris c

maybe aye, maybe no, nonetheless, needs calling out

Hugh
Hugh
4 years ago

“47 studies confirm masks ineffective, 32 more confirm negative health effects”.

It is indeed criminal that children were forced to wear them.
(I suppose there’s no way of getting exemptions from testing?)

SweetBabyCheeses
4 years ago
Reply to  Hugh

Anyone can exempt themselves from a test, or screening as it is usually is. You just say “no thank-you”.

Julian
4 years ago

Can’t travel abroad without getting tested.

Lots of jobs insist on tests.

SweetBabyCheeses
4 years ago
Reply to  Julian

It’s true that you can’t currently travel abroad. But if everyone took a stand and said they weren’t going on holiday because of the tests, then they’d stop. It’s people’s blind compliance that perpetuates this.

And anyone can “insist” upon anything. I don’t see why it means you inherently have to comply. I could insist that I was actually a man but this doesn’t make it true. And insist that I’m also a Nigerian Prince so transfer all your money now please thank you. But it’s still on you to exercise your free will and do it.

artfelix
4 years ago
Reply to  Hugh

Yes – you can declare yourself medically exempt from both tests and vaccinations, even (so far anyway, and it would need a change in the law to stop it) if the apartheid pass comes in.

Julian
4 years ago
Reply to  artfelix

you can declare yourself medically exempt from both tests and vaccinations”

How do I go about doing that?

KidFury
KidFury
4 years ago
Reply to  artfelix

I really don’t believe that is the case for flying.

Hugh
Hugh
4 years ago

“Ann Widdecombe demands free speech taught in schools”.

Aye, and they should also teach logic in those schools (C.S. Lewis). And patriotism (USA). Then we might have a chance.

Annie
4 years ago
Reply to  Hugh

How do you ‘teach’ it?

KidFury
KidFury
4 years ago
Reply to  Annie

Make them sit and watch something really “offensive”

Mark
4 years ago
Reply to  KidFury

But the “really “offensive”” stuff has been actually illegal to even say for some years here. Teachers would be sacked, rendered unemployable and probably go to prison even for showing it.

Let’s not pretend we don’t already live in a “managed” and “limited” democracy.

Hugh
Hugh
4 years ago
Reply to  Mark

Things are pretty dreadful on a number of fronts currently, but children should learn what we can be at our best. Anyway, logic would likely be more useful given the current web of deceit. (It occurs that they could watch any number of wartime films (1939-45) re. patriotism).

iane
iane
4 years ago
Reply to  Annie

Get them to show J.P.Sears’ u-tube videos!

e.g. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y7_CxVwL_zU

Hugh
Hugh
4 years ago
Reply to  iane

Can we get a t-shirt like J.P.’s?

Hugh
Hugh
4 years ago
Reply to  Annie

they do in the so-called United States apparently. Flags in classrooms, pledge of allegiance and so on, I understand.

Teach history properly for a start. And Magna Carta, and how Britain has lead the way in liberty and human rights, at least until recently.

Julian
4 years ago

Leaked data suggest vast numbers classed as being hospitalised by the virus when they were admitted with other ailments, reports the Telegraph.”

We always knew this. Like every other covid related stat, the hospital admissions one is meaningless. Almost as if the government didn’t want to know what was really going on, and certainly don’t want us to know.

Adamb
4 years ago
Reply to  Julian

I’m sure I read months ago that admissions data was going to be reported ‘properly’, ie only counting those admitted specifically FOR covid. Guess they couldn’t be arsed after all, or it didn’t suit the narrative.

Julian
4 years ago
Reply to  Adamb

I’ve not found them. They may exist but not published openly.

CynicalRealist
4 years ago
Reply to  Julian

If something isn’t published, it’s a pretty safe bet that the reason will be that the figures contradict the approved narrative

Hugh
Hugh
4 years ago
Reply to  Adamb

I remember that, what happened then?

Annie
4 years ago

The truth-loving Grauniad reveals that Aussies are, after all, incapable of thinking or acting for themselves:

“Who’s behind Australia’s anti-lockdown protests? The German conspiracy group driving marches.”

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2021/jul/27/who-behind-australia-anti-covid-lockdown-protest-march-rallies-sydney-melbourne-far-right-and-german-conspiracy-groups-driving-protests

A Heretic
A Heretic
4 years ago
Reply to  Annie

Just when you think the Grauniad can’t get even more idiotic now we have “closet Nazis protesting for freedom”.

Moist Von Lipwig
4 years ago
Reply to  A Heretic

‘Closet Nazis protest communism though we don’t actually admit lockdown is communist’ said the Guardian.

AethelredTheReadier
AethelredTheReadier
4 years ago
Reply to  Annie

Unfortunately, this is going to be the norm from mainstream ‘journalists’ because increasingly fringe groups of right-wingers, anarchists, extreme conspiracy theorists etc etc are jumping on the bandwagon and diluting the impact and making those of us who deal with verifiable data look like lunatics. If I was trying to subvert a movement, I would do the same and populate the justifiable with the certifiable. To the masses we all look like disgruntled losers. The recent rally in London was a good example of this. There were ‘Trump 2024’ flags flying and even a poster with ‘Assange is one of them’ on it. Lunacy. Chaos. What we need is a strong voice by someone who can’t be discredited and who has no agenda. Very difficult to find such a person as they would be immediately media-assassinated, just like any decent moral person, and their voice and message would be drowned out.

Julian
4 years ago

In some ways yes it might be better if we were akk “on message” and the movements leaders would be unattackable. But it’s such a small movement we can’t really afford to break into factions. Anyway, I am very very moderate in my views and my colleagues know this, but that didn’t stop them calling me a conspiracy theorist and comparing me to Hitler.

Monro
4 years ago

Oh! The PCR test is so over…….in the U.S. What happens in the U.S. never stays in the U.S. The dogs still bark etc etc but this time it really is over and health systems can get back to real medicine: ‘After December 31, 2021, CDC will withdraw the request to the U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA) for Emergency Use Authorization (EUA) of the CDC 2019-Novel Coronavirus (2019-nCoV) Real-Time RT-PCR Diagnostic Panel, the assay first introduced in February 2020 for detection of SARS-CoV-2 only.’ ‘CDC encourages laboratories to consider adoption of a multiplexed method that can facilitate detection and differentiation of SARS-CoV-2 and influenza viruses. Such assays can facilitate continued testing for both influenza and SARS-CoV-2 and can save both time and resources as we head into influenza season. Laboratories and testing sites should validate and verify their selected assay within their facility before beginning clinical testing.’ https://www.zerohedge.com/covid-19/why-cdc-quietly-abandoning-pcr-test-covid The scandal? ‘In the NYT, experts compiled three datasets with officials from the states of Massachusetts, New York and Nevada that mention them. Conclusion?: “Up to 90% of the people who tested positive did not carry a virus. » The Wadworth Center, a New York State laboratory, analyzed the results of its July… Read more »

Julian
4 years ago
Reply to  Monro

We’re losing this war, big-time. The narrative is undented. Pick a random person in the street and tell them covid was unexceptional and the correct response was to do more or less nothing – they will think you are mad, or bad.

And we see masks everywhere, many venues still operating covid-safely, testing everywhere, international travel is impossible for a sceptic, massive majority are jabbed now so very unlikely to admit they were wrong, vaccine passports everywhere.

The US might be looking better, but here in fascist Europe we’re screwed.

Julian
4 years ago
Reply to  Julian

There’s no political opposition to lockdowns outside of a few Tories who clearly are not going to bring down the government.

Lockdowns are threatened for the Autumn/Winter.

SAGE are still in place.

The only real hope is that we reach a tipping point where enough people are enjoying their freedom that it becomes politically difficult to remove them. But the media stand ready to whip up more fear, and hatred of the unvaxxed.

KidFury
KidFury
4 years ago
Reply to  Julian

I don’t think it’s as bad as you describe. I was in a large shopping centre yesterday in London. Way over half were unmasked. I was there to get my tests to fly to Portugal tomorrow. I am unjabbed.

Then we had dinner at pizza express. No masks anywhere, including staff. Menus are back to normal. It was old normal.

eastender53
4 years ago
Reply to  KidFury

‘There to get my tests so I could fly…..it was the old normal.

I don’t think so.

KidFury
KidFury
4 years ago
Reply to  eastender53

The restaurant was normal. Not life.

You can wallow in doom if you want, I am getting on with my life as much as I can.

Julian
4 years ago
Reply to  KidFury

I am not wallowing in doom – I enjoy most of my life immensely. But I am lucky with my work and other personal circumstances. For those pushed into covid bollocks through work or other avenues of their lives, it’s much harder.
I have no intention of being depressed the rest of my life, but things are quite dark. Covid isn’t an aberration, it’s the general direction of travel, it just got speeded up. And my close family have found this much more difficult than me, and lost friends and opportunities to it. They will rebuild but it’s a shock and it takes time.

KidFury
KidFury
4 years ago
Reply to  Julian

My doom comment was not directed at you, Julian.

Julian
4 years ago
Reply to  KidFury

Thanks – yes I know it wasn’t and I’m not offended or anything. Just thought it worth setting out my position. I am very pessimistic and see little grounds for optimism but will not give up or allow myself to get too down. It’s a hard balancing act and one that we will all approach in our own way.

KidFury
KidFury
4 years ago
Reply to  Julian

I’ve always thought of myself as a cynical optimist. I’ve studied stoicism and believe in it’s power to guide a happy life. When you read Marcus Aurelius, Epictetus, Viktor Frankl etc.. these people managed to stay strong and live a happy life despite serious horrors.

We have much to be happy and thankful for, my friend.

Julian
4 years ago
Reply to  KidFury

Yes indeed I do. I wouldn’t like to speak for others though.

Julian
4 years ago
Reply to  KidFury

Firstly this is just an interlude

Secondly it is patchy – there are oases of normality but a lot of my personal world (friends, work, home town, other activities) are blighted by covidianism

Personally I won’t ever travel internationally again if it means I have to get tested, other than to see my kids should they move. But I understand others will have their own views on this which I respect

I have family in Italy – I won’t go there now as I won’t have a Green Pass, and in Germany, also Green Pass required, friends in France, won’t go there, Green Pass needed

KidFury
KidFury
4 years ago
Reply to  Julian

I agree it is patchy, but I think things are getting better, not worse. I see a lot of people now just getting on with it. I see things slowly starting to get back to what they once were… restaurants, gyms etc. I see kids pushing back, I see more and more sceptical articles in the media, things starting to get questioned, I see leaks coming out of the NHS… Whether we return to harsh restrictions, only time will tell I guess.

As for travel, I am supporting to my wife who wants to see her father in Portugal. He is not well. She is double-jabbed, I am not. I will have to isolate the entire time I am there, and when I get back. But she is my wife, and I love her, and will do this for her. I wouldn’t do it for myself.

stewart
4 years ago
Reply to  KidFury

People are getting on with it more. And so are government officials rolling out their new health control system.

Julian
4 years ago
Reply to  KidFury

Yes, regarding the travel that is the honourable thing to do. Honestly, if someone even just feels desperate for a holiday and wants to compromise on getting tested, I would not get on my high horse as I recognise I am lucky.
Things are improving in some ways, yes. We shall battle on. I probably need to get some friends and get out to places that are freer. Where I live is lovely but very solid covidian territory.

Catee
4 years ago
Reply to  KidFury

Congratulations on remaining unjabbed, I seem to recall you were really wavering at one point.

KidFury
KidFury
4 years ago
Reply to  Catee

Thanks, yes I was. It’s not easy. In fact I don’t know a single person who is unjabbed. I don’t even justify it anymore if asked.

AethelredTheReadier
AethelredTheReadier
4 years ago
Reply to  KidFury

I think it’s important to network with unjabbed people as much as possible – maybe go to one of the rallies or marches and start from there. I’m lucky that many of my friends are still resolutely unjabbed. I don’t tend to talk about any of this with friends that are jabbed though unless they ask me directly and then I have a number of points I can mention, without going into any of the more negative consequences of being jabbed. Good luck with it all and best wishes for your trip.

Mark
4 years ago
Reply to  KidFury

It is very patchy as Julian says. My local supermarket is still mostly masked.

On the other hand I travelled to a small martial arts event at the weekend and in the service stations it seemed better than 50% unmasked, and at the event itself (admittedly only 40 or so people and mostly outdoors) I didn’t see a single mask in use.

Monro
4 years ago
Reply to  Julian

Britain is a sideshow. Has been since 1944. We will follow the U.S. We just don’t know it yet.

Julian
4 years ago
Reply to  Monro

We might do eventually, but not I think in my lifetime. The drift has been going on for a long time now, we’re not suddenly going to come to our senses.

CynicalRealist
4 years ago
Reply to  Julian

I was forwarded an email this morning sent by one of the main high-street banks to their customers, asking that they continue to wear masks when visiting the bank. There must be a joke in there somewhere…

Julian
4 years ago

It would be good to see some thoughts (and action) from the Daily Sceptic team on next steps for the war against the folly and evil – how best to organise, social and political action. At the moment we’re losing the war. There are no easy answers, of course. But Toby Young will have lots of contacts. A national electoral alliance would be a good start – existing anti lockdown parties to agree to field only one candidate under an anti-lockdown banner in any election. While restrictions are supposedly “light”, the focus should be on opposing vaccine passports and travel restrictions, as well as “no more lockdowns”.

Hugh
Hugh
4 years ago
Reply to  Julian

“Only one candidate”.

It has worked in Northern Ireland, but only in limited specific circumstances.

Milos
4 years ago

If you want some vaccine related craziness from (south)eastern Europe,

Russia does not recognize the Russian vaccine you receive in Serbia
https://translate.google.com/translate?hl=&sl=sr&tl=en&u=https%3A%2F%2Frs.n1info.com%2Fvesti%2Fnova-rs-rusija-ne-priznaje-rusku-vakcinu-koju-primite-u-srbiji%2F

And it’s not just the case they don’t recognize vaccines produced outside of Russia, but even Russian-made vaccines which were administered in Serbia. People would still need to produce negative PCR test no older than 3 days.

Btw, unlike western vaccines, there is no one to question russian and chinese vaccines in terms of danger. There’s the same propaganda how good they are but there’s not even an alternative source of reliable information (let alone studies) about the dangers of these vaccines.

If you live (have citizenship) in Southeastern Europe and take the vaccine (majority are russian or chinese), it’s of no use for going to most of EU, UK, US, Canada, or in the other direction, to Russia.

Milos
4 years ago

Since variants have become popular, worth to remember this mini interview with prof. Sunetra G.
https://twitter.com/dockaurG/status/1404429320114823176

Rise in infections not caused by a variant.. We now are at a state of substantial herd immunity. Ecological succession of variants does not mean one is more transmissible/virulent. We should have always remained open. A tragedy

Some micromutations (variants) will take over but doesn’t mean they will cause a serious rise in sickness. Virus is endemic and these temporary “surges” will happen from now on. Keep in mind no one has ever tested so much for any other respiratory virus and with so many possibilities for false positives. And there’s always the question of how representative is the sample that was tested with respect to whole population.

So, even if by magic some country managed to keep delta (or whatever) variant from entering, it would still see similar rise in cases (PCR positives).

PoshPanic
4 years ago
Reply to  Milos

I still haven’t seen a good explanation of how they know so much Delta variant is around. UK does more sequencing than anywhere else, but even then, this can only account for a small percentage of samples. Gupta is probably right again, there are numerous lineages and as whole it’s endemic. Possibly not the case in some lockout countries.

Winston Smith
4 years ago

Self-confessed vaccine sceptic, 34, dies from Covid https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9828241/Self-confessed-vaccine-sceptic-34-said-turn-time-dies-Covid.html?ito=native_share_article-top

Is it just me or is this just fishy?

SaO2 95% and sitting up on a bed looking at his phone? Doesn’t seem to be fighting for his life?

Does anybody know more?

SweetBabyCheeses
4 years ago
Reply to  Winston Smith

It’s an appalling propaganda piece, but it does clearly state that he died “with” and not “from” the virus.

stewart
4 years ago

No it doesn’t. The headline says he died from Covid. And the headline is the only thing most people read.

dismalswamp
4 years ago
Reply to  Winston Smith

That’s suspiciously like the Alabama story that was doing the rounds in the US last week. Same language used, same last words etc. The story was a propaganda piece, completely fake and was denied by the hospital in the piece.
I call bullshit.

thefoostybadger
thefoostybadger
4 years ago
Reply to  dismalswamp

Yes, the picture is familiar, i saw it someplace last week along with an identcal story…..amazingly, in the story I read the person’s last words were “wish I’d taken it” (the jab).

On reading the full story, (and it may be the same person, just “The Mail” picking up the story late, it transpired that “Matthew” had serious underlying health conditions; IIRC he had no spleen.

Shitey, propaganda whatever the case, similar to one that was circulated in Scotland months ago, the headline, (can’t remember it now) suggesting that many younger people were dying of covid…..accompanying picture showed one of the most obese people I have seen in a long time.

Can’t believe people I used to regard as sensible are swallowing this shit.

ellie-em
4 years ago

“‘Labour ready to back vaccine passports for sports events, says Keir Starmer”’
Well of course Johnson can always rely on his BFF Starmer, the ‘Opposition’ imposter, to bail him out.
Labour under Starmer – the gift that keeps on giving to the Conservatives.

Richy_m_99
4 years ago
Reply to  ellie-em

Not just that. He wants everyone double jabbed, carrying a vax passport wherever you go AND still get tested practicallly every day.

Somebody give us an opposition to thus waste of an opposition party.

Hugh
Hugh
4 years ago
Reply to  ellie-em

but not conservatives

artfelix
4 years ago

If the end is in sight why are they advertising for Covid Marshalls for Sept-March?

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Hugh
Hugh
4 years ago
Reply to  artfelix

because there will be lockdowns/restrictions/human rights abuses in this moment
seems to be as i feared, any death after a positive test for covid will remain a covid death even after it is endemic and not what actually killed them in a large majority of cases.

peyrole
peyrole
4 years ago

Why Is The CDC Quietly Abandoning The PCR Test For COVID?
Because they are actively considering using vaccine certificates for mandatory use. Bring that in before PCR tests abandoned, job done. Biotech IDs obligatory, it was always the target.

SallyM
SallyM
4 years ago
Reply to  peyrole

They’re not abandoning PCR testing for Covid. They’re abandoning one specific PCR test.

eastender53
4 years ago
Reply to  SallyM

There is only one PCR test. What changes are the ‘markers’ used to identify what the test has amplified. I’d guess that they’re trying to distance themselves from the fraudulent Drosten patent.

One thing that is not emphasised enough. Any test, no matter what the markers, tests only for the presence of a virus. Hence it is a SARS-Cov-2 test. It is not, has never been, and can never be a ‘Covid’ (the illness alledgely caused by the virus) test.

We should challenge that terminology at every turn. As we should with the incorrect use of the word ‘vaccine’.

Rogerborg
4 years ago
Reply to  eastender53

I exponentially agree.

186NO
186NO
4 years ago
Reply to  Rogerborg

I concur beyond the vertical. Recommend Del Bigtree’s “The Highwire” blog on GAVI and the WHO whistleblower, as if folks here ever needed further persuading.

SallyM
SallyM
4 years ago
Reply to  eastender53

PCR is a generic technique. The FDA has authorised many different PCR tests to identify SARS-CoV-2. The one that’s been recalled is just one of them. People think that PCR as a technique has been abandoned, which is not true. It’s not helpful if people circulate misinterpretations.

eastender53
4 years ago
Reply to  SallyM

Once again. There are two processes. The ‘making a lot from a little process’, and the ‘identifying what’s there’ process. The former is generic. The latter in theory specific for that virus. It’s the latter, combined with the myth of large scale asymptomatic transmission, that has driven this whole scam.

peyrole
peyrole
4 years ago
Reply to  SallyM

Sorry for my shorthand, its the Drosten RT-PCR test designed for detecting SARS2, that is being abandoned. I sort of assumed everyone knew that on here, perhaps not.

JayBee
4 years ago
Reply to  eastender53

https://de.rt.com/nordamerika/121309-pcr-test-us-zentren-fur-notfallzulassung/
To me, it’s totally unclear what they withdraw, what they keep and what it means.
Apparently, they are at last shifting the emphasis on tests that can distinguish at least between having Covid and the flu, which is by itself already a scandal, namely that this wasn’t the case sofar and until year end.
The only thing that is clear is that there will continue to be a hodgepodge of unstandardized and therefore result-wise incomparable and therefore medically useless, very profitable, tests remaining in place and that there is still no firm rule with regard to the CT max number.

Rogerborg
4 years ago
Reply to  JayBee

Apparently, they are at last shifting the emphasis on tests that can distinguish at least between having Covid and the flu, which is by itself already a scandal, namely that this wasn’t the case sofar and until year end.

What makes you think that the current SARS-COV-2 PCR test is giving positive results for influenza?

If it’s because you’d been told that the CDC said that, I’d encourage you to read their alert yourself, carefully, and without preconceived assumptions. It may not say what you’ve been led to believe.

https://www.cdc.gov/csels/dls/locs/2021/07-21-2021-lab-alert-Changes_CDC_RT-PCR_SARS-CoV-2_Testing_1.html

eastender53
4 years ago
Reply to  Rogerborg

Drosten did not have sufficient ‘SARS-Cov-2’ material from China to produce the markers he needed. He essentially made up the rest from existing bits and pieces, some of which were apparently flu. This particular version of the PCR test detects exactly what Drosten ‘seeded’. What it actually is is unknown. Unless someone can confirm otherwise with documentary evidence, when I last looked the SARS-Cov-2 virus has never been completely isolated.

PoshPanic
4 years ago
Reply to  peyrole

It’s being replaced by a test that looks for both SarsCov2 and Influenza.

stewart
4 years ago

Perhaps the most astonishing aspect of this whole crisis has been the wholesale lying and deception by officialdom.

That the state is always looking to expand its powers and control is to be expected. But that they have been lying and deceiving like the worst totalitarian regimes and getting away with it has been truly shocking.

The big culprits here are the media. The media used to make it their mission to catch politicians out in their lies and politicians were terrified of them. Now it is the media that are terrified and behave like the lap dogs of politicians, spewing out misinformation and questioning nothing.

artfelix
4 years ago
Reply to  stewart

Politicians are still terrified of the media – it’s just that the media is now owned by big pharma and so are the politicians

PoshPanic
4 years ago
Reply to  artfelix

Zahawi’s not afraid of the meeja. He’s founder of YouGov, which basically tells the media what to talk about.

Julian
4 years ago
Reply to  artfelix

I think it’s Big Tech that are the danger here. And they are pushing an agenda beyond simply making money, though obviously that’s a part of it.

eastender53
4 years ago

The Ministry of Truth excelling themselves yet again with a ‘Fact Check’ article.

By clever word magic they explain how cremations in Birmingham were the highest since 2009, when records began! Then they cleverly segue into total deaths, deliberately suggesting that the same applies. They use this chart to support the implication that 2020 was the worst year on record.

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eastender53
4 years ago
Reply to  eastender53

Of course no rational discussion. For example the growing trend towards cremations as the cheapest option.

PoshPanic
4 years ago
Reply to  eastender53

Where’s the chart for burials for comparison?

eastender53
4 years ago
Reply to  PoshPanic

They claim they ‘could not find any records’ of burials.

CynicalRealist
4 years ago
Reply to  eastender53

Am I right in thinking that they were pushing cremation for people who (allegedly) died with/of Covid? If so, that would explain the increase, and of course a corresponding decrease in burials would be expected. How convenient that those records are mysteriously not available…

Rogerborg
4 years ago

It’s nice to see the corporate media finally raising something akin to a protest against the Social Credit Score apps, presumably as Fleet Street realises that it will apply to their own liquid lunches.

Tim Stanley’s Telegraph piece is well intentioned, but it’s a Milquetoast, feeble “Hey, now” of protest, that accepts the plans that have already been revealed without flagging up the end game of “papers, please” everywhere, for everyone, forever.

It’s OK to peddle slippery slope “conspiracy theories”, because now they become established facts on a regular, rapid basis.

Once you bend the knee and show your papers once, at any venue, for any reason, when will you ever object again?

ian j
ian j
4 years ago

Big Brother is here!

A friend sent me this link:

https://theconversation.com/most-covid-deaths-in-england-now-are-in-the-vaccinated-heres-why-that-shouldnt-alarm-you-163671?utm_source=pocket-newtab-global-en-GB

I simply can’t believe that any sane person would believe this crap, let alone try to persuade the rest of us

eastender53
4 years ago
Reply to  ian j

They don’t have to believe it to write it. For those who read it, that’s a different matter.

7fonn7
7fonn7
4 years ago
Reply to  ian j

Yeah what does it take for a person, even the most devout covidian, to read the stats and think… “Huh, only 257 deaths from this ‘deadly’ strain in four months… Pretty minimal in the grand scheme of things.”

But they don’t. And we can’t help people who refuse to think rationally.

MTF
MTF
4 years ago
Reply to  ian j

What is it in the article that you don’t believe?

7fonn7
7fonn7
4 years ago
Reply to  MTF

It appears factual, but it’s designed to manipulate. If you look at the stats in the article (e.g 257 total deaths in FOUR MONTHS from a supposedly super deadly variant), you can infer that this illness is not something for which we should be restructuring our lives and societies.

MTF
MTF
4 years ago
Reply to  7fonn7

So there is nothing in the article that you think is actually false?

It isn’t obvious to me that it is designed to manipulate. It isn’t about whether the variant is super deadly or not. It is about whether the figures suggest the vaccines are ineffective.

eastender53
4 years ago
Reply to  MTF

On the wrong group I think. By definition a vaccine gives immunity. These are therefore not vaccines.

MTF
MTF
4 years ago
Reply to  eastender53

I have been over this before.

Does it matter what we call these jabs? They increase resistance to the disease by stimulating your immune system with parts of the virus. What would you like to call them? Paravaccines perhaps?

Julian
4 years ago
Reply to  MTF

It matters because the general public think that vaccines make you immune and consequently also unable to spread whatever it is you’ve been vaccinated against. This perception is what the government relied on to bully everyone into getting jabbed for the common good. They know that’s a lie which is why the bullying regarding young people, least at risk, is especially despicable.

MTF
MTF
4 years ago
Reply to  Julian

Well – it’s all a matter of probabilities. The “vaccines” reduce your chances of getting infected and of passing it on. They are not 100% like say measles or polio vaccines but are more like flu or chickenpox. We call these last two vaccines without accusations of misleading the public.

Julian
4 years ago
Reply to  MTF

Well I don’t know about chickenpox, but the flu vaccines have always been very much optional and only pushed for certain groups, and then for the benefit of those groups and not for society as a whole. And no-one ever talked about flu vaccine passports. But if you think the two things are comparable, I cannot help you. Which we knew.

MTF
MTF
4 years ago
Reply to  Julian

Sorry which two things are not comparable and why?

Also I am confused do you want to call flu shots vaccines or not? I get the impression you are happy to call them vaccines although their efficacy is generally lower than the Covid shots. This seems to be because they are only pushed hard for certain groups while the Covid shots are being pushed for all groups except children. There is talk of pushing flu shots for all ages this autumn (young children are a high risk group for flu). At that point do they no longer become vaccines?

Julian
4 years ago
Reply to  MTF

I haven’t up to this point cared much about flu shots because they were not going to decide whether I could go out, shop, travel etc nor was there an all-out on war on the entire world to get them as a condition of living, saving the world etc.
If you can’t see that then I can’t help you. But we know that.

186NO
186NO
4 years ago
Reply to  MTF

They are demonstrably not vaccines; there are enough medics “in the field” who have put their heads above the parapet to confirm this. As far as I have read , transmissibility is not affected by this jab? But don’t take it from me; have a quiet word with Dr Peter McCullough who is a treating physician in Dallas, Texas amongst many other things. I don’t know him , never heard of him but his public testimony is extremely important and very troubling. He has listed Myocarditis, Thrombosis, blood clotting and gynaecological issues as being 4 known issues with this jab – from his and other medics experience. His experience is key but again don’t take my word for this because I am not a scientist – please take some time to listen to him /read what he says. If you think he is not worthy of consideration, fair enough. But if you do consider what he says rings true, follow the links. Please ask yourself why he, if he is evidently successful (but I have no independent way to check what he says is true but then again no reason to disbelieve him) with his proactive use of existing off… Read more »

MTF
MTF
4 years ago
Reply to  186NO

I am not convinced by the evidence for McCullough or anyone else that the vaccines are unsafe. Here are some of the reasons. But in any case why would safety concerns mean they were not vaccines?

BTW Myocarditis, Thrombosis, blood clotting and gynaecological issues are three issues not four – a thrombosis is another name for a blood clot.

caipirinha17
caipirinha17
4 years ago
Reply to  186NO

I listened to Dr McCullough’s section at the Pandemic Podcast’s Question Everything summit – it wasn’t about the jabs but his experiences of managing real v cases with sequenced multidrug treatments and trying to persuade the US health authorities to revise their strategies and guidance for doctors and the public without getting censored. Basically around the world people are being told not to access medical assistance until they can’t breathe, which is usually too late. It is well worth a watch (be warned he speaks very quickly) – eye opening stuff.
https://www.questioneverything.io

186NO
186NO
4 years ago
Reply to  eastender53

It appears that the mRNA jabs do not meet the “legal” definition of a vaccine in the US…?

MTF
MTF
4 years ago
Reply to  186NO

Where did you get this information? It is the first I have heard of it.

7fonn7
7fonn7
4 years ago
Reply to  MTF

The numbers are so miniscule to begin with that there is no reason to write an article reassuring the public about a vaccine, while the government attempts to directly and indirectly coerce the public into getting said vaccine.

So yes, it’s designed to manipulate, as is pretty much everything in the media. However, I find that articles from the sceptic point of view usually come with more context and a grasp of what is statistically significant.

MTF
MTF
4 years ago
Reply to  7fonn7

So there isn’t anything that you believe is false in the article.

As to whether there is any reason to be interested in how effective the vaccines are. I think this is not so much about deaths so far from Delta, as about the future. The message that “cases are rising but the vaccine has broken the link between cases and hospitalisation/death” has been pretty consistent from government and MSM over the last few weeks .i.e. they are saying deaths are low. Given that, it is rather relevant if there are signs the vaccines are beginning to fail in this respect. So reassurance that so far there is no signs seems quite appropriate.

(Having said that, it looks like cases may have stopped rising – but of course the article was written before then.)

Moist Von Lipwig
4 years ago

Of course Keir Starmer has u-turned, I was amazed when he opposed ‘papers please’ to begin with.

eastender53
4 years ago

I just dutifully sent my ‘I’m unjabbed and feel fine’ report to Zoe. I hadn’t really taken too much notice of the new figures, but today I did. Essentially the old methodology showed numbers were decreasing. Clearly off message. The new methodology shows there are increasing!

Sadly Zoe and Spector are now 100% controlled opposition. Maybe the funding was under threat.

Fingerache Philip
Fingerache Philip
4 years ago

Metro news: 83% of over 65’s still wearing masks.
UTTERLY PATHETIC.
From a 72 year old.