Prime Minister Faces Rebellion in Parliament Over Vaccine Passports – But Decision Will Likely Lie With Labour

Reports suggest that Boris Johnson could face a large revolt from his own MPs in a parliamentary vote on the introduction of domestic vaccine passports. But will it be enough? That likely depends on the Labour Party, which remains undecided. The Guardian has the story.

Tory MPs opposed to the plan for Covid passes to enter nightclubs and other crowded indoor venues said more than 40 Conservatives were prepared to defy the prime minister over civil liberties concerns, particularly as Number 10 has refused to rule out extending the passes to pubs and other sectors.

The scale of the rebellion could put any vote on a knife-edge if opposition parties also oppose the idea, which was proposed by Johnson on Monday in an extraordinary U-turn hours after clubs were allowed to open in England for the first time in 16 months.

At least 42 Tory MPs have signed a cross-party Big Brother Watch declaration against “Covid status certification to deny individuals access to general services, businesses or jobs” in recent months. More MPs privately told the Guardian they were unlikely to back such a move, especially if it remained a vaccine-only pass that did not recognise a negative test result or evidence of antibodies.

The issue is likely to be raised on Wednesday at a meeting of the new 1922 Committee of backbenchers, which is now led by three sceptics of Covid passports. Nusrat Ghani and William Wragg were elected as new Vice-Chairs on Tuesday, joining the longtime Chairman, Sir Graham Brady. On Tuesday some Tory MPs threatened to boycott the Conservative party conference in October over fears Covid passports would be required.

However, Keir Starmer is still undecided about which way Labour will vote, despite the party leader having previously suggested Covid certificates would be against the “British instinct”.

Labour shadow ministers were locked in talks on Tuesday about the party’s position and were expected to have made a decision by Wednesday morning. If they oppose the passports, Johnson could face defeat in the Commons as the Liberal Democrats are also opposed.

However, senior Labour figures are believed to have argued that the situation has fundamentally changed since the party first set out its position. Cases are soaring, and jabs are being offered to young people and pregnant women who otherwise might have been excluded, reducing the argument that they are discriminatory. Ministers have promised exemptions for those who cannot be vaccinated for medical reasons.

Asked on Tuesday whether access to pubs and transport could eventually be subject to Covid passports, Johnson’s spokesperson said the Government was “going to use the coming weeks to look at the evidence, particularly both in the U.K. and globally before making a specific decision”.

Several Tory MPs spoke of their frustration. Sir Iain Duncan Smith, a former Tory leader, said the policy was “without logic”, especially as having two jabs was currently not enough for people to avoid isolating after exposure to Covid.

Steve Baker, one of the main opponents of Covid passports, said: “There is nothing I can do or Conservatives can do if Labour continues to decline to oppose the Government’s illiberal policies. This is really now all about Sir Keir, who described this policy as un-British.” …

One MP said they had “no doubt” Johnson would insist on vaccine passports for the party’s conference, and that “as a result, it shouldn’t come as a surprise if a number of Conservative MPs and activists refuse to attend”.

Worth reading in full.

Stop Press: A spokesperson for the Labour Party has said it will vote against.

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Major Panic in the jabby jabbys

my comment on the previous article is better placed here…

”This whole shit show including the mass murder from withholding cheap safe effective treatments is to gain control of the population through vaccine ID control passports – simples!”

Major Panic in the jabby jabbys

excellent interview with Dr Mike Yeadon (Saint Dr Mike – too soon?) – posted in the main comments section…

https://off-guardian.org/2021/07/20/watch-perspectives-on-the-pandemic-16/

helenf
4 years ago

Another good interview with Mike Yeadon on the Highwire. Starts approx half way in to the programme.

https://thehighwire.com/videos/episode-219-in-harms-way/

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4 years ago

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realarthurdent
4 years ago

“But Decision Will Likely Lie With Labour whoever Keir Starmer takes his globalist orders from.

steve_z
4 years ago

 Cases are soaring, and jabs are being offered to young people and pregnant women who otherwise might have been excluded, reducing the argument that they are discriminatory.”#

its definitely discriminatory. and it makes it worse when you are coercing pregnant women into having a vaccine with no long term safety data

helenf
4 years ago
Reply to  steve_z

339 spontaneous abortions linked to covid vaccination reported so far using the yellow card system, likely a gross underestimate of the true size of the problem. Coercing anyone to have the experimental injection is criminal.

jerseygirl
jerseygirl
4 years ago

I fervently hope that Labour finally offer some effective opposition.

We cannot allow our government (or any government) to hold us ransom through vaccine passports.

Digital ID has been an aim for some time. We must continue to resist.

TheyLiveAndWeLockdown
4 years ago
Reply to  jerseygirl

Starmer and Blair are joined by their love of badger watching if you ask me…

realarthurdent
4 years ago

Yes, Starmer is Blair’s representative up here on Earth.

gone_loopy
gone_loopy
4 years ago
Reply to  jerseygirl

This is getting desperate now if we need to rely on labour!

William Gruff
William Gruff
4 years ago
Reply to  jerseygirl

I’m surprised that anyone still has any faith in the party system of politics. Political parties are inimical to the proper functioning of a healthy democracy.

bagpusskitty
4 years ago

Interesting fact, seeing as we are demanding youngsters take an experimental drug to get entry into clubs in 26 years there have been 1065 ecstasy related deaths in the uk https://www.statista.com/statistics/470824/drug-poisoning-deaths-mdma-ecstasy-in-england-and-wales/ in comparison we’ve had 1470 deaths in less than half a year caused by the jabs, didnt we used to want to stop dangerous drugs getting into clubs? now it seems we are mandating them instead what changed?

dismalswamp
4 years ago
Reply to  bagpusskitty

Great comment.

William Gruff
William Gruff
4 years ago
Reply to  bagpusskitty

1470 deaths is undoubtedly a considerable understatement. ‘Doctors’ routinely deny that a death following a gene therapy jab is due to it so the actual death toll must be higher.

nickbowes
nickbowes
4 years ago

Well done Eric Clapton and Ian Brown and Right Said Fred !!!

https://www.breitbart.com/entertainment/2021/07/21/delingpole-eric-clapton-is-the-new-punk/

NickR
4 years ago
Reply to  nickbowes

Yes, but unfortunately no one under 50 ever goes to watch any of them!

dismalswamp
4 years ago

Hopefully the beginning of the end for this evil regime.
I am also fed up of hearing how so and so could be even worse. Johnson is supposedly the leader, so he is the one that needs to go. If the next leader is no better then they will be deposed too. We have to remove Johnson and his cabinet from power, no matter the consequence – anyone voting Conservative to keep Labour out, has blood on their hands.
I can hope that an internal split rescues this party, perhaps Sir Desmond or Graham Brady.
If not then a Tice / Fox joined effort is our only hope.

RickH
4 years ago
Reply to  dismalswamp

Hopefully the beginning of the end for this evil regime”

What have you been taking? 🙂

Remember … basic political strategy. If Mr Toad did go, it would be to replace him with a smiling assassin of a different hew.

Shelley had it :

“I met Murder on the way …
He had a mask like Castlereagh
Very smooth he looked …”

Susan
4 years ago
Reply to  RickH

“Many in life esteem themselves great men
who then will wallow here like pigs in mud,
Leaving behind them their repulsive fame”

Canto VIII Inferno

Rowan
Rowan
4 years ago

It’s just a matter of a few senior Labour figures accepting another cash injection and they will be backing the charge into the pig dictators brave new world. Looks like Starmer will be getting banned from most pubs and many restaurants. What a willy wonker he is.

prod_squadron
prod_squadron
4 years ago
Reply to  Rowan

Good point. Labour are currently advertising the fact that they don’t have any money.

ArtC
4 years ago

I wouldn’t bank on Labour doing us any favours. Throughout this scamdemic, Kneel Stammer has implored the government to do more. Harder, faster etc. And that’s only his love life!

Julian
4 years ago

extraordinary U-turn

Extraordinary? Hardly. U-turn? Not really. Just more lies.

Labour will vote for it.

Mark
4 years ago
Reply to  Julian

Seems not. Remarkably the “Conservatives” have pushed their big government totalitarianism so far that even the Blarite Labour Party feels unable to back them, at last!

That’s quite some achievement!

Julian
4 years ago
Reply to  Mark

Blimey. Yes, an achievement. Next time I write to my MP I’ll mention that. I’m sure the irony will be 100% lost on her.

TheyLiveAndWeLockdown
4 years ago
Reply to  Nikola.Tesla

Fabian socialist = arrogant Dunning-Kruger addled narcissist.

RickH
4 years ago
Reply to  Nikola.Tesla

Socialist. All of them are socialists.”

Not by any definition. They worked consistently to destroy someone who did have some claim to that epithet. They are at home working with Tory fascists.

J4mes
4 years ago
Reply to  RickH
RickH
4 years ago
Reply to  J4mes

“Fascism is socialist.”

Well – that’s the proof. You really are simple-minded! Cobble together a few odds and sods from the internet and politics is defined to suit warped sectarian perceptions! Total confusion about the nature of how totalitarianism emerges from a variety of cover.

Beyond stupid.

peyrole
peyrole
4 years ago
Reply to  RickH

That must be a record Rick, and normally you get down ticks for putting people right about saying its ‘communist’ etc.

Skeptical_Stu
Skeptical_Stu
4 years ago

I used to be a massive fan of Steve Baker. The last MP I had any respect for. Those fake tears though when he voted in favour of government overreach. I will never forgive him.

The whole house on all sides are a traitorous bunch of c***ts.

Anyone who campaigns on a genuine liberal ticket will get my vote. The rest can go swivel.

FrankFisher
4 years ago

Labour will do whatever the BBC tells them to do.

Dominic12
Dominic12
4 years ago

I regret this is deeply flawed in its analysis of the make up of the House of Commons. Of course Sinn Fein plus the Speaker and his deputies don’t vote and everyone knows that. But on these England only matters the SNP, Alba and Ferrier (elected SNP, now independent) don’t vote either and they have 48 MPs. I haven’t seen anything to suggest it will be different in this case.

With Tory/Lab etc. abstentions unknown and maybe some Labour and others voting in favour it is not possible to accurately assess how many Tories would need to vote against but my literal back of the envelope calclations suggests 65+ will be needed if Starmer whips to vote against but the SNP etc. do not.

RickH
4 years ago
Reply to  Dominic12

I regret this is deeply flawed in its analysis of the make up of the House of Commons.”

Sadly, there is much political illiteracy evident around here – creaking under the weight of simplistic and outdated misperceptions about what has happened over 50 years.

Dominic12
Dominic12
4 years ago
Reply to  RickH

It seems so unless 77th or similar took umbrage at my pointing out the reality. The comfy seem to think if Labour and Lib Dem come on board with the usual Tory rebels then Johnson loses. The reality is unless the SNP join with them all then Johnson wins again, and with ease. As 65+ Tory rebels would probably be the end of Johnson more than enough would bottle it under pressure and therefore it wouldn’t happen. Many Parliamentarians appear to think in terms of how things were in early 2020 whereas everyone on this site knows that world is dead.

stewart
4 years ago

Oh FFS, not this crap again.

Tories threaten to rebel.
Fewer than expected do so.
Labour go along with government anyway which makes it all a moot point anyway.
Conservatives have their cake and eat it by being pro and anti lockdown at the same time.

Yawn.

BS665
BS665
4 years ago
Reply to  stewart

The rebels will fail. Covidianism is socio-political onanism.

wendy
wendy
4 years ago

All of this still pivoting on asymptomatic transmission. If you are not ill what do you have to pass on. I am just so sick of it all.

ArtC
4 years ago
Reply to  wendy

Me too. Though I’m not sure if I’m sick of it. Or with it 🙂

Susan
4 years ago
Reply to  wendy

“…just so sick of it all!”
If only Your ailment were contagious!

Bill Grates
Bill Grates
4 years ago
Reply to  wendy

You’re so sick of it all ? maybe you need to isolate before others become infected.

don’t worry the govt will be along with a jab especially for it very soon .

FrankiiB
4 years ago

I feel the campaign against vaccine passports should be narrow and focused, and therefore leave aside questions about the vaccine itself, as that inevitably draws the debate into anti-vax etc. If vaccine passports are not introduced and vaccination remains entirely voluntary, that is is a success.

So, I shall be writing to my MP opposing vaccine passports. I shall make the point that these are totally unnecessary in older age groups as the vaccination rate is so high. For younger age groups the government has failed to provide a positive campaign and reach out to provide more opportunities for vaccination.

They could work with nightclubs to provide vaccinations there in the weeks before, at different times of day of course. They could enlist celebrities and others to help provide publicity. They could do much more specifically targeted at people in their 20s.

Personally, I am not keen on the vaccine. But to win this campaign against vaccine passports, the easiest route could be to throw the issue into the long grass so the government withdraws the vote and agrees to pursue these other strategies.

BS665
BS665
4 years ago
Reply to  FrankiiB

Or say that we have the right to buy food, use a bus, and drink in a bar, irrespective of having a vaccine, since this it is an inalienable right to reject a vaccine.

Major Panic in the jabby jabbys
Reply to  FrankiiB

I agree we should keep vaccine passports separate from the vaccine unsafe and unnecessary argument.
The vaccinated outnumber us now and we need them on side to defeat the vaccine ID social control CCP papers please passport

RickH
4 years ago

Steve Baker is right – there is no hope within the Tory Party alone without Labour becoming an opposition rather than an irrelevant appendage to the same party.

Having watched Starmer since Corbyn’s demise, I have the utmost doubt that the creep would stand up for any basic ethical principles. He kissed the arse of the illiberal and undemocratic Board of Deputies and ran to placate the sinister Israel Lobby early in his leadership campaign, whilst ignoring Jews who backed democratic principles in line with the Labour Party’s historical standpoint on human rights – and although he’s no Leopard , I doubt that he’ll lose his scabby spots.

RW
RW
4 years ago

Why is this even being questioned? Unless the unions intervene – that’s a possibility as they’ve generally not been happy with mandatory vaccination for their members – Labour will support everything the so-called progressive left (a double misnomer) want. And they want mandatory vaccination in all but the name. End of story.

RickH
4 years ago
Reply to  RW

Your definitions and perceptions are from another universe, I’m afraid – a time before the Brexit right seized control of the Tory Party.

RW
RW
4 years ago
Reply to  RickH

?

I don’t understand that in the given context.

For the record: I’m German and have been living in the UK since December 2010. This implies that I acquired a so-called permanent right of residence because of an international treaty a later UK goverment then chose to tear to shreds. Now, I have a new right of permanent residence because of another international treaty and a lot less illusions about the certainty provided by something as flimsy as that and the fidelity of the people who signed it (politely worded version).

I’ve also voted Labour whenever I had a chance to (local elections) so far.

In the given situation, and also because of some other developments I won’t detail here, I find myself on the same side as a lot of people from the so-called “brexit right”.

milesahead
milesahead
4 years ago
Reply to  RickH

a time before the Brexit right seized control of the Tory Party.’

LOL!

BJs Brain is Missing
4 years ago

It’s all political theatre. Very few of the present crop of politicians have any moral or ethical fibre, and certainly not backbones.

It will be up to you and I to sort this mess out. It is time to be a man and accept responsibility. Much like our forefathers did. This is our time.

MizakeTheMizan
4 years ago

A suggestion. When you write to your MPs to tell them that you are strongly against Vaccine Passports also tell them you are vaccinated. Don’t let them think for one second that this is a vaxx v anti-vaxx issue, but an evil v not-evil issue.

steve_z
4 years ago
Reply to  MizakeTheMizan

I wrote to mine and he fully agreed and even linked to a speech he’d made

https://www.gregsmith.co.uk/news/greg-speaks-vaccine-passports-e-petition-debate.

prod_squadron
prod_squadron
4 years ago

Uggh, I ‘ve just had a thought that there are going to be acres of people who are actually going to like a social credit system as it will appeal to the virtue-signal mentality. Look at me! I’m allowed to travel! Plus because it’s via high tech, there are those who will be thrilled by it as if they are scoring points in a video game.

Bill Grates
Bill Grates
4 years ago
Reply to  prod_squadron

It’s almost as though it’s been designed that way .🤣

Hopeless
4 years ago

Labour are sans guts, sans principle, sans everything. Their MPs seem to be a remarkably stupid bunch of toadies, selected for all the wrong reasons, yet skilled in brown-nosing or staying quiet.

RickH
4 years ago
Reply to  Hopeless

… a bit like any random bunch of Tories, in fact!

My complaint exactly.

vlysander
vlysander
4 years ago

Criminals all of them. It will get passed. All this is just theatre to make out like there is some deicison making going on. We all know the aim is implement full digital ID starting with these “vaccine” passports. Starmer is part of the theatre and is on the trilateral commission.

KidFury
KidFury
4 years ago
Reply to  vlysander

I dunno man, there is a big Tory backbench revolt. If Labour help pass this, then they are finished. Finished, I tell you.

William Gruff
William Gruff
4 years ago
Reply to  KidFury

Have you counted the threatened Tory ‘rebellions’ since May tried to thwart the Brexit referendum result? There must have been a dozen and none has happened.

KidFury
KidFury
4 years ago

I have a feeling the govt are going to “compromise” and have the pass accept negative tests and prior infection. Classic negotiating technique.

steve_z
4 years ago
Reply to  KidFury

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/explainers-55718553

You can get the NHS Covid Pass either:

  • two weeks after your second vaccine dose
  • if you’ve had a negative PCR or lateral flow test result in the past 48 hours – and have reported it on the NHS website (this pass lasts for 48 hours after the result)
  • if you have had a positive PCR test result within the past six months, and have finished self-isolating (this pass lasts for 180 days after the result)

ie just report a LFT negative on the website. of course this is only a temporary solution if you really need to attend something. the real evil has to be fought every inch of the way

KidFury
KidFury
4 years ago
Reply to  steve_z

Yes, but Johnson has specifically said this will be vaccine status only. No negative test results or prior infection. Just vaxxed.

Major Panic in the jabby jabbys
Reply to  KidFury

I think this is a coercion tactic to get the young to go for their jabs – Stamers was quite clever opposing it because he knows it will look like a boris u turn when tests and previous exposure are included

J4mes
4 years ago

Some of you might have seen this, but here’s a good interview from Michael O’Bernicia about how his case against Hancock, Ferguson, Vallance and Witty is evolving to now include new evidence of Hancock openly admitting to killing over-65s in care homes with Midazolam and Morphine at the start of the shitshow:

https://youtu.be/IU3PDDQQAgs

And here’s the video of Hancock dropping himself in it (which Bernicia believes is the reason he was forced to quit – ie, the ‘romance’ was completely staged (spotted by few of us here)):

https://youtu.be/5kvJgAMDeWg

BS665
BS665
4 years ago

They have to keep shuffling the cards: passports will be withdrawn, only to be required in theory later, all to cloak the insanity and ineffectiveness of the covidian ideology. Do we truly believe that this parliament can do what is right and necessary? At what point do we go beyond deploring it and start organising an alternative political movement with teeth?

J4mes
4 years ago
Reply to  BS665

Congratulations: 109 votes within 3mins… I wonder if can can share some of your power to propel important petitions?

BS665
BS665
4 years ago
Reply to  J4mes

It would be nice to see my other comments published (as opposed to disappearing)

J4mes
4 years ago
Reply to  J4mes

Whoop – 69 for me within 3mins haha 😀

Major Panic in the jabby jabbys
Reply to  J4mes

LOL – is this how ipsos mori polling works

J4mes
4 years ago

It didn’t like you saying that – downvoted you 24 times LOL 😀

I feel like we’ve already started the social credit system!

Major Panic in the jabby jabbys
Reply to  J4mes

lots of LOL

steve_z
4 years ago

If we can keep the fascists at bay here, at some point in the future we may have to liberate France again

BS665
BS665
4 years ago
Reply to  steve_z

So how do we keep them at bay?

William Gruff
William Gruff
4 years ago
Reply to  steve_z

How can we do that when 95% of the population think that BIG BLUBBER is working tirelessly to preserve them from a dreadful death?

huxleypiggles
4 years ago

Well I don’t suppose anybody here is in any doubt about the way Starmer will go and therefore the rest of his flock.

Deborah T
Deborah T
4 years ago

‘Bing news’ today ran a headline saying ‘Young people behind vaccine passports’, according to a yougov poll. In fact, the yougov poll reported 53% of 18-25s behind them. That’s no surprise, as it probably reflects the number of people in their early 20s that have had the jab. However, 47% – almost half- of young people are NOT behind vaccine passports. They don’t want them. Now, I think the half that ‘do’ are going to be less bothered if they’re not introduced than the half that ‘dont’, who will be VERY bothered, and will never forget a political party that allowed to be voted in something that would effectively coerce, pressure them into having a medical procedure that can never be reversed, that they did not want, nor need. This is a turning point in history – I pray that Labour this time can OPPOSE.