“Get Covid, Live Longer,” Joked Boris (According to Cummings)
Dominic Cummings has given an hour-long interview to the BBC’s Laura Kuenssberg, due to be shown tonight on BBC2 at 7pm, in which he provides further evidence that Boris is a stone cold lockdown sceptic. As a bug-eyed lockdown zealot, he thinks this is damning stuff, but to people on our side of the aisle it makes the Prime Minister more sympathetic. MailOnline has more.
In his first broadcast interview, with the BBC’s Laura Kuenssberg, the hostile former chief adviser to Mr Johnson accused his one-time boss of putting “his own political interests ahead of people’s lives”.
He also revealed that the Prime Minister also wanted to carry on meeting the Queen in person while Downing Street was rife with Covid, eventually backing down when it was pointed out he could kill her.
Mr Cummings has repeatedly accused the Prime Minister of being too slow in imposing the second lockdown, which came into force on November 5th.
The political adviser, who left Downing Street during a bitter row in November, shared a series of messages from October 15th that appear to be from Mr Johnson to aides.
“I must say I have been slightly rocked by some of the data on covid fatalities. The median age is 82-81 for men 85 for women. That is above life expectancy. So get COVID and live longer. Hardly anyone under 60 goes into hospital (4%) and of those virtually all survive. And I no longer buy all this NHS overwhelmed stuff. Folks I think we may need to recalibrate,” they read.
“There are max 3m in this country aged over 80. It shows we don’t go for nation wide lockdown.”
Worth reading in full.
The reason Cummings thinks this is so politically damaging is because he believes the delay in imposing the second lockdown cost lives. But as we’ve pointed out many times before, there is precious little evidence that lockdowns reduce transmission. And the R number was falling when the second lockdown was imposed, so the autumn wave peaked and fell without the need for a lockdown.
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Who cares what Davos Jabson thinks? The guy has no spine and no depth. He’s a sock puppet, a Davos enabler.
Im not sure why his secret views on anything matter at all.
The most interesting view of him would be seeing his head on a stick outside Downing Street.
does anyone care what Cummings thinks … If he saying Lockdown have been a disaster and they knew the virus wasn’t that serious they wouldn’t mention him
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They matter because, shallow spineless buffoon though he be, he appoints the other shallow spineless buffoons who do the bidding of the NWO corporate fascists enslaving and killing us.
“…to people on our side of the aisle it makes the Prime Minister more sympathetic.”
No it doesn’t : a lying narcissistic opportunist + a bug-eyed fanatical opportunistic idiot does not equal to an iota of scientific sense.
Of course, one interpretation is precisely that Cummings is being used as a propaganda foil to make Johnson look somewhat less of a fat twat. Note how Ferguson is still being used, despite devastating and proven incompetence.
Correct. This, and similar other “discoveries or leaks” are textbook diversionary tactics.
It is so transparent, and yet the imbecilic majority are easily corralled wherever the dictatorship wants them to go, just like the real sheep.
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Exactly.
What sort of prime minister gets steamrollered by their special advisers? All his lines have been written by expert manipulators.
Everything that Cummings quotes about Boris’s views about COVID in a pearl-clutching manner I completely agree with.
Of course the problem is that Boris was probably arguing the completely opposite view in other conversations, probably with the same people.
And appears to have no backbone in any case, so in the unlikely event that he really had some principles or really believed in something, he is seemingly incapable of withstanding criticism of his view from the people around him.
While Cummings is worthy of no respect whatsoever, as an established hypocrite and delusional coronapanic fanatic, I don’t find these Johnson quotes all that surprising. The issue with Johnson personally has always been dishonesty, lack of substance, and political cowardice. These quotes confirm all three. The lack of substance is shown by the fact that he did not see these issues coming, as many did in March 2020. The cowardice in his failure to resist the fanatics and the polls. The dishonesty in saying these crucial things in private but not in public, and sitting silent while others were crucified in various ways for saying them. In the end, his personal qualities are irrelevant – he has had leadership responsibility for the greatest peacetime blunder in history and he should be beyond the Pale as far as any continuation in any political office is concerned because of that alone. But insofar as it is useful to try to analyse the personal views of politicians in office, I do wonder what his subsequent development was on these issues. Far too many who were reflecting these kinds of doubts in October 2020 allowed themselves to be frightened out of them in December,… Read more »
“As a bug-eyed lockdown zealot, he thinks this is damning stuff, but to people on our side of the aisle it makes the Prime Minister more sympathetic. …..The reason Cummings thinks this is so politically damaging is because he believes the delay in imposing the second lockdown cost lives.”
Actually I think it’s even more deliciously ironic that that. On this issue the reason Cummings thinks this is politically damaging is because he is now part of the elite consensus, on this issue, and he has no understanding of how it plays out, outside that consensus.
Is that not a deliciously ironic reversal for Cummings, who played the exactly opposite role in the Brexit debate, in puncturing the hollow elite consensus for membership of the European superstate?
In actual sceptic circles, this is probably too little too late for Johnson anyway. But in the wider world, as we emerge from the panic and the elite zero covid nutters are forced onto the defensive, this kind of thing will play superbly into Johnson’s “sympathetic, sensible but a bit buffoonish” political persona.
Yes it is ironic he is now part of the Westminster bubble he once despised.
A man whose priciples blow with the wind.
TY, making us more sympathetic to Bozo? Are you having a laugh???
Propaganda
Boris being painted as a lockdown scpetic does not make him more sympathetic to us in any way. If this portrayal of him as someone who does not believe in lockdowns and the restrictions is accurate then he is a spineless coward, unwilling to stand up for what he knows is right despite being the bloody Prime Minister.
That isn’t sympathetic, it’s repugnant.
I’m continually amazed by Toby Young’s ability to find yet another excuse for Johnson. There’s a kind of morbid fascination to it now.
Cummings and the BBC
Interesting bedfellows
It’s clear that the BBC is not simply following the government – they only spouted the government line while it was pro lockdown
Now there is a slight move to open up, they are being more openly critical
Had the government pursued the original approach, the BBC and the rest of the media would have laid into them mercilessly
“Had the government pursued the original approach, the BBC and the rest of the media would have laid into them mercilessly“
Indeed, and this is what the “moderates” (on coronapanic) amongst the “Conservatives” clearly recognised and feared,. and probably why they allowed themselves to be bullied into supporting the panic and lockdown response by obsessives like Cummings and probably Gove.
You must be feeling unusually charitable today – the government played a massive role in creating the fear that the media fed off. Of course there would have been pushback had they not locked down, just as there was in Sweden and doubtless in South Dakota, but they didn’t help their cause. To me, that was unforgivable.
Anyway, my point was more aimed at those who thought the media were supporting the government because they were the government, rather than because at the time the govt’s policies suited their agenda.
The media have an agenda on covid which is in line with their wider agenda. Of course some (for example the Daily Mail and Telegraph) are probably more interested in selling papers, and they’ve been the most balanced – featuring some good criticism of the panic, which probably fits with their general worldview, but also lots of fearmongering to sell clicks. But other organisations have a longer term agenda to reshape the world according to their vision.
“You must be feeling unusually charitable today “
Just recognising that the “Conservative” Party, even the hierarchy, were and are not monolithic on this (or on anything, really), and that the expectation (from bitter experience) of unfair treatment by the media will have played a part in the thinking of any disposed to question.
I’ve made my position on the culpability of the Party hierarchy clear on many occasions. I don’t seek to forgive, merely to understand.
Whether the counterfactual – resisting the panic of March 2020 and sticking to the pandemic planning / Swedish route would ever have been practicable, and what would have been required for the government to have succeeded in it, is open to question. Certainly Johnson personally could not have swung it, imo, with the likes of Gove and Cummings as treacherous insiders
That the situation was probably impossible is no defence of those involved – they should have tried it and resigned. The responsibility remains theirs.
Well they voted monolithically for all the restrictions at the start, and no-one spoke up much until I think Swayne and one or two others, IIRC last summer. But of course there would have been differences under the surface.
The Swedes managed to stick to the Swedish route. I’ve no real idea how they managed it. Anecdotally I met plenty of Swedes while I was there who wanted the government to do a lot more.
I don’t doubt it would have been difficult, but I still can’t get my head round the PM being even slightly reluctant being compatible with the immense propaganda war waged on us which was sponsored by his government. They didn’t need to do that.
“I’ve no real idea how they managed it.” [The Swedes]
One major factor was the constitutionally embedded lack of political control over the health services.
At the moment, I’m listening to Shostakovich – a reminder that, despite pragmatic compromises in aid of survival, even the USSR in Stalinist times didn’t have the same control over the perceived narrative that we see in the 21stC UK.
“One major factor was the constitutionally embedded lack of political control over the health services.” You’re better informed than I am – I’m sure that helped, though I would place a small wager that many other countries had the same notional separation but some combination of more interfering politicians and less steadfast public health officials allowed the madness to run riot, whereas Swedish politicians in place, and the public health officials, respected the law and their duty.
I recently listened to the Leningrad Symphony conducted by Valery Gergiev
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kwqZRhPXElQ
the theme of the Nazis marching towards the city is very relevent
“The Swedes managed to stick to the Swedish route. I’ve no real idea how they managed it. “
My understanding is that the government constitutionally did not have the powers to interfere in ordinary life that ours does.
The Constitutional Basis for Sweden’s Exceptional COVID-19 Policy
“The Swedish policy response to COVID-19 is exceptional by international standards. This In Brief explains how this approach is determined by three articles in the Swedish Constitution. The first guarantees freedom of movement for Swedish citizens, ruling out nationwide lockdowns. The second establishes unique independence for public agencies, allowing them to design the policy response to the pandemic. The third grants exceptional powers to local government. In addition, the Swedish approach is fostered by strong trust in the government and in public authorities.“
As for the massive government fear propaganda and manipulation campaign, that’s just what happens when the PM gives the nod to the immense machinery of the UK state to roll into action. I doubt Johnson was aware of a fraction of what was going on
“I doubt Johnson was aware of a fraction of what was going on” Not sure why you’d say that. He doubtless has many faults but he’s not stupid. In fact I imagine he has quite keen political instincts.
Regarding Sweden, as I said to Rick H above I expect other countries may have had similar provisions that were simply not respected. I think it was as much about the people in place as about the laws. But I don’t really know. It would be instructive to examine the various panic reactions around the world and how freedoms were ridden roughshod over, to try and understand what mechanisms might help stop it next time.
Sumption reckoned the way the government used the Public Health Act 1984 was wrong – don’t recall if he said explicitly it was unconstitutional, but he said pretty clearly they’d exceeded their powers. The courts just dismissed that argument “because covid emergency”.
“Not sure why you’d say that. He doubtless has many faults but he’s not stupid. In fact I imagine he has quite keen political instincts.”
Because it’s not a matter of intelligence or instincts, but of sheer quantity. As PM he would (rightly) delegate the detail while retaining overall responsibility.
Re Sweden v here, you are correct that it’s as much a matter of perception and political culture as of hard constraint (that’s always the case with constitutional restraints on government power, ultimately). But the reality is that in March 2020 the UK regime could have passed any enabling act they wanted, so there was probably a feeling amongst the lawyers that the regime was acting with broad approval, and nitpicking about the technicalities would not be productive, whereas in Sweden presumably the politicians either didn’t want to interfere and used the legal restraints as the excuse, or felt they would not be able to get away with it in the same way.
I work in litigation, and even the most streetwise judge I came across, in June 2020 was clearly signalling that this ’emergency’ was going to be a long haul, it struck me that he had been briefed on the trajectory of the plans.
“Freedom of movement for citiziens” is guaranteed by the so-called German constitution as well. The (Merkel-led) executive swept that away overnight and had the acclamation chamber wrongly called parliament sanction it months afterwards.
Pieces of paper only limit governments if they chose to adhere to what’s written on them.
Boris should have axed the TV-tax.
listening to BBC other night i had to switch it off,(for my sanity) They’re finding any one whining for lockdowns to continue were welcomed aboard.Are these whingers still getting paid handsome wages whilst not working was my immediate thought???
Those of us who are aware that this is not about public health know Boris Johnson is not in charge.
Every western country barr Sweden is doing the same thing. There are others who are running the show. Governments are pawns and accomplices.
Forget ‘pawns’. ‘Willing accomplices’.
Personally, I would say ‘prawns’, but I think I would be doing a disservice to them!
Ah yes, whatever happened to the prawn cocktail so ubiquitous in the 70s-early 80s? Strangely they seemed to gradually disappear as we hit the downhill slope towards beaurocratic totalitarianism – surely no coincidence. Clearly the disappearance of the PC is a canary in the coalmine and warrants further study (grants) – I think we may have found the root cause of our doom (it was the salmon mousse).
So either Johnson is unprincipled and yields to pressure or Cummings is a liar. Bit of a dilemma, that.
bit of both!!!
LOT of both
I happened to listen to a song the other day by Stephanie De Sykes. The chorus goes:
I was born with a smile on my face
the whole of my life’s been a pantomime
born with the need to embrace
the life of a clown telling rhymes
Cummings is playing his part in making this appear unplanned.
“Boris is a stone cold sceptic and makes him more likeable to us”.
Seriously?
I went straight to look who wrote this article. Toby.
So if he is such a stone cold sceptic, why does he not stick to it, but turns more often than the lamb on a kebab spit?
Stone cold is the right expression, as a stone does not have any blood.
Toby Young has always had difficulty with the fact that his mates are lying, devious cupid stunts. I have some sympathy re. friendship and blind illusion. But not a lot.
Now why would the Bollocks BC grant Cummings an hour of wasted time with the fair Kuntmountain when they are so loath to grant much more interesting sense-talkers a fraction of that?
A pertinent question! My own humble opinion is that Crumdudgon is a useful distraction and the BBC, via the Fair Laura, are dutifully playing their part as usual.
does anyone care what Cummings thinks … If he saying Lockdown have been a disaster and they knew the virus wasn’t that serious they wouldn’t mention him
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That a murderer happened to have second thoughts midway through murdering somebody is very little consolation to the victim, and it certainly does not absolve him of moral responsibility. Boris Johnson willingly imposed lockdowns on us. If it turns out that these private remarks are indicative of Boris’ consistent convictions, rather than just illustrating his scattered and constantly vacillate leadership, then that just means he willingly pursued a course of action that he knew to be reprehensible. By what logic are we concluding from this that he is therefore “much more sympathetic”?
Who gives a flying toss what DC and Laura chat about? It’s the BBC conducting the interview- yet another planted story to creat a smoke and mirrors furore so that, in the background, Doris and his cronies can get along with the far more nefarious business they are planning. We’re told not to “feed the trolls” well here’s an excellent example of why we shouldn’t give this issue oxygen to survive.
I don’t get it – either Cummings has got a text showing Johnson said what he said, or he hasn’t. He’s not worth listening to until he produces that text. End of.
This utter useless w*nker makes it sound like there are just two sides, the low IQ government side following the evil corrupt unelected SAGE ‘experts’ and his side which advocates even worse measures (equally low IQ)……..Someone should inform him there is a third side made up of those who know the whole CONvid charade is nothing but the most evil crime against humanity in their lifetimes
Probably ever (we’re only 18 months in and they steamroller ever on – did Adolf kill this many in the first 18 months? Stalin and Mao probably did, but our situation more resembles 1930s Germany and we know how that turned out)
It would make me more sympathetic to Boris if he had some BACKBONE and wasn’t swayed like a reed by every breath uttered by a “scientist”.
I agree. If Boris knew that the lockdown mania was damaging and unnecessary then he had a moral obligation to stand up for his own beliefs. His spineless capitulation is unforgivable.
Nothing at all would make me the slightest sympathetic towards Johnson. He isn’t stupid, he knows full well what he is doing. He has been given objectives and he will follow through as far as he can. He has secrets to keep, as indeed do most others following the devilish agenda.
But only SOME “scientists”, he could take note of the real ones but didn’t and won’t
Along with most comments I find BJ deplorable- but I always have – this experience has merely underscored how much of a zero human he is. To me there are no levels just a needy spoilt pompous cowardly man who thinks he’s funny (not) and clever (not). The Tories destroyed the NHS well before this debacle and have spent the last 1.8 years screwing its remains into the ground. Time for another political party? System? I don’t know but the French know how to say it ain’t going to happen – why can’t we? This Saturday March needs to quadruple numbers and shout from the rooftops.
Like you I’ve always disliked him. I’ve been describing him as a buffoon from the start, and until the Covid hoax I was always told ‘that’s just an act he puts on to fool his opponents’. It wasn’t; what you see is what you get with BIG BLUBBER.
As for a new political party: NO! Parties are inimical to the proper functioning of any democratic system and we need to militate against their total control and consequent corruption of our constitutional processes. We shan’t be able to improve things until we return genuinely independent MPS who are accountable solely to their constituencies.
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At this point, after all the scientific evidence undermining and condemning lockdowns as totally ineffective, useless, pointless, worthless and insanely destructive, how can anyone claim to be rational and at the same time support lockdowns? They are a mechanism for social engineering not public health. This means DC is a political ideologue not a realist.
If by political ideologue you mean a megalomaniacal sociopath I’ll agree. I doubt the man has any principles, even of a misguided sort.
Cummings too-clever-by-half face reminds me of the alien from Mars Attacks. Just sayin’.
It reminds me of a punchbag.
Since the guy drove all the way to our local town Barney (Barnard Castle) to get his eyesight tested & put us on the map(Mr C has since claimed: ‘He wishes he’d never heard of the place’)during a Lockdown whilst (supposedly) suffering the disease itself I am very surprised to learn he’s such a Covidphiliac.
Cummings is a pathological liar so only an idiot would believe anything coming from his gob.
And an interview with the BBC? Well it must be fiction.
Diversionary BS and nothing more.
It’s pathetic..like playground ‘titletattle’
Who cares what Cummings or Johnson say?
I’ve just skimmed it. Not interested in anything Cummings says – he’s playing his scripted part, as is Johnson and co.
Irrespective what the public think or feel about any of them, they will continue with their predetermined plans, mocking both the people who comply and those who don’t, with their nonsensical but threatening carrot and stick approach.
I still do not consent.
‘He also revealed that the Prime Minister also wanted to carry on meeting the Queen in person while Downing Street was rife with Covid, eventually backing down when it was pointed out he could kill her.‘
Has everyone forgotten the photographs, taken at the G7, showing Her Majesty happily standing cheek by jowl with people from around the world, none of whom had been quarantined, all of whom were literally rubbing shoulders? No concern for her life shown there.
It’s all bollox.
Absolutely and they continue to flaunt it and goad us.
A question that will never be asked:
So what exactly were you up to on the day you claimed to have driven to Barnard Castle to check your eyesight was OK? A visit to DL12 8PR perhaps? That might explain the wearing of an official ID card/lanyard.
The worm turns:
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2021/may/26/dominic-cummings-says-he-did-not-tell-whole-truth-about-journeys-to-durham-barnard-castle
“Dominic Cummings has admitted he did not tell the whole truth over his lockdown journeys to Durham, apologised for his handling of the “debacle”, and said he now wishes he had never gone to Barnard Castle.
In evidence to MPs on Wednesday, the prime minister’s former chief aide said his account of the trips given in the No 10 rose garden a year ago had failed to disclose fully a plan to move his family out of their London home for security reasons, with Boris Johnson’s agreement.”
Security reasons? Do tell more!