Man Calls for Introduction of Arm Bands That Show Wearer Has Weakened Immune System and Would Like to Keep Distance
It was revealed last week that the BBC is offering white lanyards to staff who are returning to the office but would like to continue ‘social distancing’. The Corporation has since exceeded itself by publishing an article highlighting “calls” for the introduction of wearable symbols showing that the wearer has a weakened immune system and would like to keep a distance.
There’s just one call mentioned in the article, actually, from a man who would like the system to become an “accepted way of people identifying themselves”.
Neil Collingwood, 64, from Leek, Staffordshire, said the ending of England’s lockdown rules on July 19th was not good news for people less able to fight off Covid.
Even people with two vaccine jabs were not completely without risk, he said.
He has made a prototype armband.
It “is bright orange and uses the universal symbol for first aid”, Mr Collingwood explained.
He has it in mind for adults with weakened immune systems, or who are immuno-suppressed, and less able to battle infections naturally. …
“There are about half a million people in the U.K. whose immune systems are not effective,” he said.
Recent studies suggest they do not receive as much protection from Covid vaccines as other people.
Mr Collingwood, who has chronic lymphocytic leukaemia, a form of blood cancer, as well as type one diabetes, leaves the house only to exercise and occasionally take photographs as part of his work as a historian and author. …
“I’ve already had people who have refused to get out of my way,” he said, “with one person shouting ‘grow up it’s not going to kill you.'”
“Some of the people in my situation may be 10 or 12 years old, they will never – as things stand – be able to have normal lives,” said Mr Collingwood.
“I probably don’t have all that long left, but I’m damned if I want to sacrifice what time I have got left because of stupidity, and the fact we are not being considered as a very important vulnerable group.”
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I actually think this is perfectly sensible. It fits well with the Great Barrington Declaration concept of focused protection. The best thing that the healthy population can do to help the immuno suppressed and vulnerable, of which my daughter is one, is to get on with their lives, catch the cold, develop natural immunity and reinforce the endemic equilibrium. That would be the selfless thing to do.
On the face of it, it does seem reasonable, in principle, and who is entitled to tell people who want to do this that they are forbidden from wearing this kind of badge?
However in the current situation, it is a very bad idea imo. It pushes the idea that there is something around atm that is significantly more dangerous than the kinds of viral and other hazards that have always been present, and it panders to the kinds of obsessively fearful germophobes and passive aggressive busybodies and virtue signallers who will adopt this to enable them to lecture and order about other people, on the basis of their supposed vulnerability.
Also, how many of the millions of people who have been told by the NHS that they are “significantly at risk”, actually are?
I agree. One of the most egregious harms of the panic has been the resulting mental state of a large number of people, many of whom are really not that vulnerable at all and many are vulnerable but have a grossly exaggerated impression of the level of risk. A lot of them won’t recover any time soon – their lives and those of their loved ones will be blighted for years to come. Even if the govt turned round now and said “don’t worry”, people would not believe them, and of course there would be plenty of evil sods queueing up to say the govt were lying. This is why is was so important to resist panic at the start and stick to that position.
Yes. A lot easier to dig the hole than to climb out of it.
Perhaps. I see it as something that will be twisted into first suggesting the unjabbed wear these as ‘vulnerable’ people, then mandatory. Maybe I’m too paranoid.
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Someone is obviously trying to turn “weakened immune system” in a fashionable malaise for hand-sanitizer obsessed hypochondriacs ATM. If this guy managed to get 64 years old without screaming at other people that they MUST … because I AM …, there’s no reason why this would be needed now.
There’s nothing in COVID which would make it especially dangerous to people with “weakenedn immune system”, any other “household pathogen” will do just as nicely.
Yes I was thinking the same. How did he make it this far? Something must be working.
His brain doesn’t appear to be!
Please see my post – you can get acquire weakened immune system you don’t have to be born with it.
Go away corporal, no-one wants to read your posts.
I’m afraid, unsympathetic witch that I am, it would say “hypochondriac” to me, and I would happily avoid all contact. I mean, if all your white blood cells are wiped out from leukaemia or similar, you’re unlikely to be on a crowded tube train, surely?
Maybe he is a hand-sanitizer obsessed hypochondriac.
Or maybe his case is like mine.
I have a heavily weakened immune system from myeloma which was diagnosed 18 months ago. The treatment is a stem cell transplant which temporarily weakens the immune system even more (it basically removes almost all your white cells and then they gradually return). So there is no point in me being vaccinated for several months until I have an immune system that can respond.
It is true that all pathogens are a problem but viruses are a bigger risk than bacteria or fungi. Covid is a special problem because of its prevalence and the fact that people can transmit it without having symptoms.
I am not asking for sympathy but I would be interested in wearing something a bit like the armband on certain public occasions. I am not asking for people to change their behaviour in any significant way, just give me a little space when there is any kind of epidemic taking place – covid, flu or otherwise. There are a lot of people in my position.
You’re really just giving yourself away all the time. Eg, at any given time during the flu season, one will (without the slightest bit of a chance of avoiding them) come accross all kinds of people with obvious flu or at least cold symptoms. It’s basically “you’ll know once they cough at you” (and by that time, it’s too late).
No chance of avoiding the symptomatic, hence, the COVID myth of “asymptomatic transmission” doesn’t figure here.
I have been living with this thing for 18 months. I know how it works. You limit the events you go to so there is space to avoid people who are obviously symptomatic with something. It is the ones who are not that is a problem. You can just try to avoid everyone but that can be really difficult and you end up getting some weird looks. Some kind of symbol might be handy – not so much to warn people off but to explain why you are so clearly avoiding people. It is not a big deal. It is more your assumption that the guy was some kind of hypochondriac I want to challenge.
My wife has been living with suppressed immunity for 25 years, different story.
He’s seems to me a hypochondriac to me.
I guess there are lots of different types and levels of suppressed immunity and many strategies for coping. I just wanted to point out that this “hypochondriac” may have something as serious as an incurable blood cancer.
Wear a red wrist band, already available. Google RBGB.
Makes good sense, would help with Great Barrington style focused protection. So long as no-one is forced to wear one, and so long as there is a well publicised campaign so everyone knows what symbol to be looking out for so as to identify those vulnerable folk who’d rather we kept back from them.
Can I apply for victim status too?
I would like a well publicised campaign for my own armband, one that means don’t mention anything about vaccines to me because it triggers me and causes me terrible anxiety. That includes asking me to take one, asking if I’ve had one, asking about my vaccine status, in fact using the word vaccine in any context whatsoever.
A simple armband with a picture of a middle finger will do.
Can I have an armband that signals the mental distress bought on by the threat to unvaxxed of vaccine passports?
As long as they don’t bait and switch and make those who have declined a jab wear one.
Good luck with getting one of those on my arm.
I’d be happy to wear a ‘leading by example’ badge to show my un-vaxxed (with gene therapy) status
Where’s the armband that says ‘I’ve got a weakened immune system but I want live my life as a normal person’. My wife may want one of those, or not.
Fucking cretins.
There is a lovely lady I deliver to who is immuno supressed – her husband said she had almost died a few years ago from a passing virus, they have teenage kids and they have to be careful to ensure that their mother is protected. She regularly accepts food deliveries from me and I receive her cash in an envelope – all sensible stuff and no hysteria or theatre.
It makes sense that any who have problems with their immune system can signal this, in some way, to others, if they chose. I see nothing discriminatory about such a sensible precaution
I wonder if the chap in the article is being a bit OTT as passing another person outside who is not coughing and sneezing is not going to cause them to get infected with anything – he sounds like a lover of a bit of ‘look at me’ drama
beat them at their own game, wear a red traingle.
https://consentfactory.org/2021/07/19/the-propaganda-war-and-how-to-fight-it/
Spread this far and wide.
Lets not copy a symbol from the horrors of the holocaust. While a social credit system built on the back of vaccine passes could easily reach genocide levels of evil, we are not there yet. Anything copied from that dark period of history would, certainly at present, look like we were belittling the Nazi’s atrocities. hence the new-normists would just use that against us. We need a new symbol, a symbol to make it plain that we will not collaborate with government attempts to divide and control us. There were some proposals on using the yellow smiley face symbol. Or perhaps we could take a symbol inspired by a successful historic resistance or rebellion, rather than one forced by Nazis on to their vicitms. I say this as somebody reasonably pro-vaccine, but I’ll die long before tolerating being made to present ID to go about my business.
Did you read the linked article?
Must try harder next time.
I did read the article and found it worth reading. But I still disagree with this idea: If you copy anything associated with “Nazi Germany” you’ll be shouted down as antisemite and closet-nazi. That’s a trap a lot of people have already fallen into.
Instead – less visual but as effective – in Germany (I already wrote this once) medical functionaries are calling for permanent forced “COVID masking” of the unvaccinated because they’d be “a danger to society”. That’s not only a visual marker for members of the “other” group, it is – as opposed to the yellow star – also intended to harm them directly in order to force them into compliance.
“but I’ll die long before tolerating being made to present ID to go about my business.”
Passport needed for travelling out of the country, and back in. Also, ‘vaccine passports’ now in:
https://thl.fi/en/web/infectious-diseases-and-vaccinations/what-s-new/coronavirus-covid-19-latest-updates/vaccines-and-coronavirus/covid-19-vaccination-certificate
Maybe a yellow star…. Or red armband with a black swastika.
Did you read the linked article?
Must try harder next time.
People can signal whatever they want with their attire. As long as I am not compelled into wearing anything myself or having to “respect” other people’s choices beyond showing them normal decency, I couldn’t give a damn.
Wear whatever they want, but if there’s to be a campaign of this, effectively the redband-greenband idea, then it needs to be a clear unambiguous signal and well promoted. Lockdown Sceptics, um, The Daily Sceptic, could start this campaign and promote it. We’d do pretty well to show that we do care about the vulnerable. The MSM would struggle to make us out as evil when we start proposing how the vulnerable should help themselves.
I never thought redband/greenband would work – too few people would take it up
but an armband for people who feel or are vulnerable is a decent idea. covid or not I have no problem with it. just assume no armband=fine with close contact
the one shown in the picture above is fine too – go for it
The red/green band is not visible enough to let people know you want to keep a physical distance, especially if you wear something long sleeved. An armband would be more visible, but – as a German as well – this gives me shivers and I hate seeing any armbands.
So many people suggesting a visible accessoire to indicate their statues, one needs a guide book soon.
What about different coloured hankies hanging out of back pockets? Works for some people, although they have too many colours now.
Amen.
I second that.
For me, that also includes the right to wear the burqa or a kippa or a monkey costume anywhere if you so wish.
But leave the f*ck me alone.
No mask, no armband, no Hitler salute for me.
No, this is nonsense. If you are a ‘special needs’ person you know to avoid those situations which may cause you a problem: there is no need to burden the general public with doing it for you, and most do not do so.
If you can’t see where this is going, imagine a street scene where almost everyone has an armband of some design or other, like a united nations convention.
I am in full agreement with you. This is exactly what has happened with the WuFlu, and look where that has lead us!
The vast majority do not have anything to fear but all of us have been burdened with it. Why do ‘minorities’ think they can cause the vast majority to pander to them?
I have a problem with peanuts, it’s my problem and I sort it out. I don’t expect the world to live without peanuts, I don’t expect anything other than the consideration you would give to anyone. I certainly don’t want a giant peanut badge on my coat!
What exactly is this armband supposed to achieve? Does the wearer want to be treated like a leper? Does he want people to walk in the road rather than pass him on the pavement? Should people don a mask if they see him approaching? Or hold their breath as they pass by? It reminds me of those “baby on board” stickers – do they actually make an ounce of difference in terms of how people drive when they’re behind one of these? It’s all just virtue signalling identity nonsense as far as I’m concerned.
Self victimisation is the aim. Being a victim confers status in this cockamamie world we now live in. The more of a victim you are, the higher your status.
Not sure that the “baby on board” stickers have ever modified anyone’s driving habits. But they were most useful when mummy & daddy have had an argument with an HGV on an A road and baby has been catapulted 25 yards into the grass verge in the resulting collision. Off topic I know, but I couldn’t resist answering your question.
Correct, but that means that if you put one on your window then Fire and Rescue are likely to ignore you while they search for the missing infant that you’ve asked them to prioritise, even if that infant wasn’t in the vehicle when you came a cropper.
Its just attention seeking
looking at zoe data there is a clear plateau and slight fall
govt ‘cases’ which include lft skyrocketing
I wonder if it was just teachers and kids falsely reporting +ves so they go off on summer holiday a week early?
schools break up wednesday so I can’t imagine many people will do that this week
I am quite happy to accommodate people who are concerned or need time to do things. If they ask I generally oblige.
What I am not happy with however, is people who have an expectation of a concession, especially in circumstances where their position is based on irrationalality.
The Daily Sceptic should support a scheme like this, would be good PR for our cause. “Lockdown sceptics propose way to help protect the vulnerable”, the MSM will struggle to demonise that. If we can get the vulnerable supporting the LS viewpoint it should help collapse the government’s narrative.
Michael: have you considered making a print run of some sort of “I’m vulnerable” armband, with a sublte Dailt Sceptic logo on it somewhere, Plus encouraging sceptics to help advertise the campaign and make people aware of what symbol to be looking out for?
The Daily Sceptic should promote this like it should promote a paedophile convention. I.e. not in a million years.
How about we just get on with our own lives, let other get on with theirs and we stay clear of thinking we know what is best for others like the government keeps doing to our enormous detriment.
People with this condition were already more vulnerable to infections in 1995. There’s nothing which changed in this respect to justify the sudden outburst of stories about it except that this is something the Coronauts haven’t tried to use to mask as “compassionate” by hiding behind others so far.
The way to handle is treatment and not restrictions for the general population.
“uses the universal symbol for first aid” – Right, so he’s hoping to mobbed by people seeking assistance with their own medical emergencies / minor mishaps.
Why doesn’t he just wear a respirator that’s designed to filter out viral particles?
Both solutions will look a little silly but at least a respiratory will actually keep him safe!
Good puff piece from the
Ministry of PropagandaBBC. At first, I thought they missed a trick by not adding another lanyard for diabetes, a far bigger killer. But then it clicked, it’s too big an earner for Pharma and NHS budgets. They wouldn’t want to stop that revenue stream. Keep eating those grains, seeds and sugar you plebs, “eat out to help out” and all that…You can do so much via high finance when the media, internet and academia. Just get your mate to print more money, paying $8M in speaking fee’s helps (Yelen at the FED) and give a few shillings to a few champagne communists at PHE.
Curiously I have a friend with CLL. He was also a Type 2 diabetic and self-confessed fat bastard.
When he cut back on carbs he lost all the weight and his diabetes went into remission, which is only to be expected, but also his leukemia went into remission. Who knew?
the biggest threat to Mr Collingwood’s immune system is an appointment at the hospital
Man shows arm band that shows wearer wants to invade Poland.
Come on people, wake up!
This is a blind, its just warming up for someone to propose the opposite. Everyone who is unvaxed will have to wear an armband. Give it a month at most.
And the ‘authorities’ can put their mug shots on posters and slap them all all round town. In the USA there is an on-line system, been up many years already, where you can check to see if your neighbours have been charged with sexual crimes. Perhaps the UK Gov can introduce such a system so that you can see if there are any ‘unvaxxed’ living near you.
I wouldn’t put anything past this tyranny of a Government.
Totally agree, sets a dangerous precedent.
An armband seems inadequate.
Covid 19 is transmitted by tiny aerosol particles:
‘The smallest very fine droplets, and aerosol particles formed when these fine droplets rapidly dry, are small enough that they can remain suspended in the air for minutes to hours.’
https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/science/science-briefs/sars-cov-2-transmission.html
Only high quality protection will work:
https://www.avon-protection.com/products/pc50.htm
We don’t call them “men” when they wear armbands.
This is typical – one unusual circumstance being blown up out of all proportion, as real risk is exaggerated.
In terms of the last figures I saw, I think the risk from inoculations was much higher than that of the immune-suppressed coming across Covid.
I’m quite happy to avoid these people. Just so long as they don’t start ordering me about.
Exactly – I don’t this guy has actually suggested anything else. It’s the way it’s reported, and the fact of another fixation on the exception as a means of generating narrative news.
I do get concerned when I see the proportion of posts here that incontinently fly off the handle and miss the point. That just makes fodder for 77th Brigade.
The same people are ok about wearing a mask, an arm band should be a walk in the park.
Or just combine two products into one and wear the band over your lower face? If these poor people want to spend the rest of their shortened sickly lives being treated like lepers then it’s no skin off my nose. Modern science has given them a semblance of a life that they wouldn’t have otherwise had but I don’t understand why they seem to think the rest of the population needs to get out of their way.
I have no issue with this proposal, but it is up to the arm-banded to protect themselves and stay out of our way. I would give an arm-bander a wide berth out of courtesy, but as soon as the twitterazi start dictating how the rest of us should change our lives around theirs then it is finished as a concept. Nature is, and always will be, survival of the fittest. Full-stop.
This is like the one kid in class that is allergic to almost every food group so they severely limit what other kids can eat at lunch or for snacks.
Sorry but this is just silly paranoia. What has changed for this person? Nothing at all except the abject fear of this particular virus. He is in no more danger today then he was 2 years ago. This is the “Deadly Virus” narrative doing its thing, seems to me he wouldn’t want to catch a flu or any other virus or bacterial infection. I feel for him but really folks this virus is no more deadly than any other virus.
No, sorry, it smacks to me of attention seeking. Look at me, I’m special, give me special treatment!
How did people who were “vulnerable” in some way manage before? Presumably they got on with their lives as best they could?
I absolutely oppose any moves to mark people out in some way, even if it is with good intentions. It just builds in more division and disquiet. No good cam come of it.
Oh! Now I get it. No one had a weakened immune system before 2020, so no one had to deal with it before.