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leicestersq
leicestersq
4 years ago

“Former Pizza Express chairman Luke Johnson says the Government must scrap the NHS app”

Finally and what took you so long?

The masks and the app make it horrible to visit a business like a cinema, a pub, a restaurant and a shop. All the people that depend on these businesses for their livelihoods should be campaigning to abolish these unmerited intrusions into our lives.

Hugh
Hugh
4 years ago
Reply to  leicestersq

At our prayer group we were once given a form to give contact details if we want to, but our people (who could rival Sir Thomas More at finding a loophole if there is one) made it clear that we were entitled to refuse consent to give our contact details. We have not been asked since that I remember (and I can only assume that everyone refused consent). We also seem to be exempt from masks. I’d like to know why any business is being awkward on this. So far as I am concerned, if I am given a form to fill in (what’s an app?), I will just put “I do not consent – n/a”. And If I were to have nay issues, they would lose my business and deservedly so. There have been some terrible stories about the abuse of personal details given in this way (think attractive women for example), and no business should try in anyway to coerce or put pressure on people over this. Period.

Lucan Grey
4 years ago
Reply to  leicestersq

That will only happen when we make it clear that the perennially petrified can be dismissed from jobs and services withheld.

We have prisons to deter criminality.

We used to have asylums to deter hysteria.

Acting like a loon used to get you excluded from society. Now it’s almost a requirement

baboon
4 years ago

Boris Johnson must hold his nerve over lifting restrictions” – “If this week’s developments are a guide to future Government policy on Covid, in which a sense of personal responsibility prevails over illiberal measures,” says this Spectator editorial, then Boris Johnson “could yet prove to be the man for the moment”

Fuck you Spectator. Whichever midwit is currently editor, please resign and put the Delinpole Podmeister in charge. Your shitty blog is no longer fit for purpose. If you think that “Boris” is currently in charge of the country you need an urgent brain transplant.

Hugh
Hugh
4 years ago
Reply to  baboon

“Midwit”?

A pity if so, there used to be some good stuff in there. Has Rod Liddle come round yet?

baboon
4 years ago
Reply to  Hugh

Politically I’m probably not a good fit for this website because I’m a politically homeless, non-ideological centrist that wants to consider policy rather than trying to create a utopia. I am definitely not in the same mold as the creators of this website, who are probably arch-conservative. I read all over the political spectrum but The Spectator is home to the same kind of idiocy that Spiked is. I’m fairly convinced that these are all controlled opposition. Don’t like The Telegraph that much? Here’s a Zionist “dissident” alternative. Don’t like The Guardian? Here’s a Zionist “dissident” alternative. Don’t get me wrong, I used to live in Stamford Hill (biggest Orthodox Jewish community in Europe – and also the most anti-Zionist). I love Jewish people, and I regularly try to de-radicalize the nutters online who think there is some kind of monolithic conspiracy of “it’s da Jooooos”. I’ve heard enough from the Spiked podcast, after listening to more than a hundred episodes, to know they are 100% controlled opposition. I don’t think The Spectator publishes Delingpole anymore, he now seems to be exclusively on Breitbart or his own Delingpod. James took the redpill, and the blackpill and I respect him enormously… Read more »

Hugh
Hugh
4 years ago
Reply to  baboon

“Not a good fit here”. So far as i am concerned, all who oppose this shambles are welcome here (and even those who support some of it if they are being constructive). A wise man once told me that he doesn’t vote because there is no one worth voting for, and perhaps he had a point He certainly wasn’t without strong views, and there is a problem with “none of the above” not being adequately represented.

“Utopia”.

Funnily enough, we were watching a film about Sir Thomas More tonight (A Man for All Seasons) – some gems in there, I thought…

Anyhow, right and wrong don’t change much, nor does truth. It is perhaps the intellectually lazy misrepresentations that annoy me more than anything else. I’m more a right and wrong person than a conservative/liberal person (or I like to think so anyway).

And while I’m here, I’d love to know what red pill/blue pill/ black pill is. Plenty of gaps in my knowledge…

baboon
4 years ago
Reply to  Hugh

I could reply to you all night. Thank you Hugh.:) And while I’m here, I’d love to know what red pill/blue pill/ black pill is. Plenty of gaps in my knowledge… Let me RED PILL you on the pills. 😉 White pill – give hope. Everything will be fine. Blue pill – this is from the Matrix. Ignore the obvious and go back to sleep. Be a good sheep. Baah! Purple pill – Partially wake up but still stick to the Kabuki Theatre. Classic examples include Tim Pool for many months and Will Young (the governor of this manor), who is still partially in favour of Covid vaccines but who is also slowly waking up to the nightmarish reality. Once a few more people he knows die for no reason, he will take the… Red pill – wake up from your sheeplehood and understand what is really happening in the world. Black pill – we are all fucked. There is no way we come back from this. Everyone I know who had the experimental death stab is dead. There is no food. The globalist plan to reduce global population was The Holocaust x Holodomor x Terminator 2. Now we live… Read more »

Hugh
Hugh
4 years ago
Reply to  baboon

Interesting, thanks. Well, goodnight!

Annie
4 years ago
Reply to  Hugh

A Man for All Seasons is a good film, based on a good play. But the real Thomas More was a narrow-minded, intellectually arrogant, cruel, persecuting bigot who enthusiastically endorsed the torture and murder of religious – which at that time also meant political – opponents. Not to mention healing foul abuse on opponents like Tyndale. He would have got in famously with Michtie.
That said, he has courage and he had principles, which puts him in a different class from Whining Mitchie Witchie and her horrible coven.

Susan
4 years ago
Reply to  Annie

I’ll take Robert Bolt over Hilary Mantel or John Foxe any day.

Julian
4 years ago
Reply to  baboon

I’m not sure whether the creators of this site are “arch-conservative”. I guess it depends on how you define conservative. I guess they tend to a more conservative view than the general consensus on many issues. But I don’t think conservatives are trying to create a utopia – I think to be a true conservative you have to accept utopias are impossible, and that there are just trade-offs.

BurlingtonBertie
4 years ago
Reply to  baboon

Did you read the BTL comments? Fraser Nelson gets a hell of a lot of grief there about his position on lockdown etc Prof Carl Hengehan used to be a regular contributor until he became persona non grata. Like here, BTL give some brilliant insights & links. You’re not the only one who is currently politically homeless, this shit show has rendered rather a lot of folk homeless.

Brett_McS
4 years ago
Hugh
Hugh
4 years ago
Reply to  Brett_McS

And tenors not singing in choirs…

Annie
4 years ago
Reply to  Hugh

Coffee tenors.

BurlingtonBertie
4 years ago
Reply to  Brett_McS

Hmmm…. Didn’t work for me….

baboon
4 years ago

OK, so I live in [redacted European country]. Redaction due to exposing 77th Brigade and their like shills on the daily. If you think, as a British national, you can return to the UK and not be treated like a terrorist for no reason, think again. I left the UK in 2007 and have been repeatedly harassed on my return on multiple occasions by border control due to my online behaviour. I have no desire to go back except to visit my brother and my niece. My brother’s wife has a degree from Oxford and a PhD from Harvard and is, as you can probably imagine, one of the biggest fuckwits I have ever met. Most of the scientists I know are incredibly stupid. Due to their incredibly narrow field of expertise, they know absolutely nothing outside their area of interest. Having to explain (and argue vociferously) that a tomato is a fruit to a Harvard PhD is a joke in my opinion. This same Harvard PhD was aghast when I explained the climate change hoax over dinner. I said that anthropogenic climate change was a scam and that the modellers didn’t include the sun in their models. This Harvard… Read more »

Hugh
Hugh
4 years ago
Reply to  baboon

I live in a redacted Northern county 🙂 Always be careful on here (something we were warned about ages ago). Though I have a nagging suspicion they know quite a lot about me anyway…

I suspect quite a lot of these “experts don’t take a vey holistic approach. And even in their own area of expertise they can be wrong (and don’t I know it). Maybe the BBC should be honest about who they are and are not giving a platform to. I seem to remember a story about an NHS worker repeatedly featured by them posing as an ordinary employee of the socialist behemoth (now there’s an interesting term…) – and it turned out she was a Labour party activist. Nothing wrong with interviewing such people per se. of course, but they should be open about it. And then there’s the idiot who told Newsround the “vaccines” were 100% safe… they should be ashamed and publicly hounded for it. Oh well, maybe one day…

baboon
4 years ago
Reply to  Hugh

And then there’s the idiot who told Newsround the “vaccines” were 100% safe… they should be ashamed and publicly hounded for it. Oh well, maybe one day…

I realized in 2003 that the MSM was full of garbage and stopped buying newspapers and stopped watching TV.

There is no “truth” on the BBC. It’s all a pack of lies.

Example.

I travelled to the UK via a ferry and while waiting for a taxi, I made the mistake of looking at BBC News on a television.

The subject was California forest fires.These fires, as anyone with a braincell will tell you – are caused by an accumulation of litter. Since the Californian government made collection and disposal of said litter (read kindling), forest fires have gone out of control.

The fuckwit professor from Cambridge they interviewed claimed the fires were being caused by climate change. He said he knew this because he was an “expert” and was claiming this because HE said it.

I was gobsmacked. Not only did he make an appeal to authority (a logical fallacy) he claimed said authority as HIMSELF!!!!

I have no words….

Hugh
Hugh
4 years ago
Reply to  baboon

I seem to remember a story about someone in Australia who broke environmental rules by cutting back vegetation round his house to create a fire break. When there was a wild fire, his house was the only one in the area that survived. And there was a story about a similar fire in Sutherland of all places not so long ago. Nothing to do with climate change. There will always be forest fires in places like California (and even Sutherland!) from time to time, which can be minimised by sensible land management.

“Claimed the fires were being caused by climate change”.

As I wrote above, intellectually lazy misrepresentation. Methinks there’s rather a lot of it on the BBC. And think of the peo0ple who produce deliberately complicated waste disposal rules in this country (UK) to discourage waste, and then wonder why there is more fly tipping – in itself a filthy thing, but they should take their share of the blame.

Paul B
4 years ago
Reply to  Hugh

His house survived, he was fined for creating the firebreak though. The hughe Aus Forrest fires were caused by arson and became so big because controlled burning was made illegal as it wasn’t ‘green’.

Haven’t heard any follow-up on that situation interestingly. Will they change the rules or allow millions more animals to die once the trees grow back? I guess after fires visible from space nothing grows back unless planted/for a good long while. Isn’t having less trees a bad thing? Lol

JayBee
4 years ago
Reply to  baboon

I had a similar epiphany recently when I watched the main evening news (for the first time in half a year) and listened to the report on a mudslide in Japan which killed 2! people.
It was full of framing: ‘experts’ believe this was due to climate change etc….
I mean, Japan is a mountainous, wet, overpopulated island where people build houses onto and below every slope of a hill. They have thousands of mudslides and deaths like that since they exist.
This one wouldn’t even be worth reporting in Japan, let alone here.
The rest of the news was equally framed on every topic.
It’s all become totally ridiculous.
But also very obvious if you can just bring yourself to open one of your eyes again.

milesahead
milesahead
4 years ago
Reply to  JayBee

I haven’t believed the BBC since the mid-80s when they opened the Nine O’ Clock News with scenes showing striking miners attacking police with bricks/rocks and the brave police charging the miners in response. It was the other way round – the miners were attacked by baton-wielding police and retaliated by throwing bricks/rocks.
The BBC regularly distorts the truth and lies through omission.

Annie
4 years ago
Reply to  baboon

Yer know, what I like about baboons is their warm heart and tolerance of human failings.

Trabant
4 years ago
Reply to  Annie

Lol true.
I’m with baboon on this though
Having spent years involved in church and charity work helping disadvantaged people I became disillusioned with the fact “you REALLY just can’t help some people” 🤦‍♂️
I’ve now seen the light and only hang out with bright redpilled people. Of which I meet very few 😭

Norman
4 years ago
Reply to  baboon

Due to their incredibly narrow field of expertise, they know absolutely nothing outside their area of interest” but think they are authorities on everything and never stop telling you.

JayBee
4 years ago
Reply to  baboon

The CW article by Paul Collins addresses and confirms your observation.
One of my friends is a senior partner at a big law firm- he has zero of what we call Allgemeinbildung.
Others are dentists, cardiologists and a top heart surgeon.
All were adamant that face masks are great, but none of them had a clue about the studies from Norway, Denmark, knew what dead space volume is or that you need to wash your hands 3 times per exchange- one of them wears it under chin and then puts it back up again when he sees a patient all the time.
They also had never heard about the CT number of the PCR test or knew how it worked and what it does, they only swallowed the government line that it identified a Covid case with 100% certainty.
Needless to say, I am done with them and their professions.

Mark
4 years ago
Reply to  baboon

“Most people would rather be in the majority, than be right,”

That observation quoted above, when you allow for the fact that in practice it means the majority of those they see as their peers, or aspire to have as their peers, probably accounts for a lot of the functional stupidity we find amongst people who are in a technical sense very intelligent or are highly educated (in a limited sphere, usually).

eastender53
4 years ago
Reply to  baboon

You really need to improve your self esteem.

Hugh
Hugh
4 years ago

“Councils fight to avoid bankruptcy due to ‘Covid’ [government restrictions] “.

I’ll say again, MMT or no, a lot of people are going to suffer due to the economic consequences of this shambles (and I’d had us down to suffer quite a lot anyway due to what one might call modern demographic theory (MDT) – which the MMT proponents also appear to dismiss – thinking about it, this shambles could well be related to MDT…).

Lucan Grey
4 years ago
Reply to  Hugh

If you’re going to talk about MMT, then first you need to understand what it is and what it isn’t.

And the first thing you learn is that currency users like local councils can go bankrupt. They are fiscally limited like you and me.

MMT is a description of the way the money system actually works, which may not make comfortable reading for some. Essentially it says that central government spends unemployment and is limited by the availability of the unemployed. Taxation then creates extra unemployment, central government can deploy.

Which leads to the famous MMT quote from Warren Mosler: if there are unemployed then we are overtaxed for the size of government we have.

Protip: don’t get your MMT from either leftie loons or sound money nut jobs. They are both wrong. MMT says the limits are functional, not fiscal and that viewing things through the fiscal leads to waste and inflation.

Too many people see the ‘not fiscal’ bit and believe it is a free for all. It most certainly isn’t and anybody who says it is is misguided. Utterly misguided.

Hugh
Hugh
4 years ago

“Welcome to the Children’s Union”.

And not before time! Like I said, no human rights abuses without representation. And I hope they have the success of similar groups from history. For too long people who should know better have laughed at those who complain “won’t anyone please think of the children?”. I seem to remember a remarkable survey of primary children in Luton that found their first priority if they ran the country would be to ban divorce! Out of the mouths of babes… Agree or disagree with them they should absolutely be heard on issues that directly impact on their lives, and especially when you think of some of the crooks pontificating in the media.

Hugh
Hugh
4 years ago

“Johnson must hold his nerve”.

Seriously, what’s he going to tell us if he backs down now, having told us that drugs and ‘vaccines’ are the way out of this/ Restrictions forever? Will people really accept that?(Actually, I probably don’t want to know…).

CynicalRealist
4 years ago
Reply to  Hugh

I expect SAGE can come up with a new Scariant – they’ve still got over a week…

Hugh
Hugh
4 years ago

“Nobody has died from ‘vaccines’ says NHS”.

So they’re lying as well as the BBC now. It really does need sorting out, and it’s a pity there aren’t more like the courageous dr. Westwood.

baboon
4 years ago

I’m just going to leave this here.

A month ago, one of my mother’s language students collapsed and was admitted to ICU two days after her second Pfizer stab. The doctors had no clue what the problem was, and removed her gallbladder.

Today, another of her students was admitted to the ICU. He had tremendous pain in his stomach after his second Pfizer stab. Today, a month later after the second stab, they removed several blockages from his stomach and are monitoring him for further clotting. Again, the doctors had no idea what the problem was.

I was talking to a guy I know – mid sixties – the other day. He told me his wife has aged ten years since her second AstraZeneca shot. He’s also a student of my mother.

I live in the middle of nowhere right now. I came here to escape the madness as it’s stunning countryside with no cops anywhere.

If this is happening in our very small community of English speakers learning a foreign language, can you imagine what the devastation must be elsewhere?

Trojan House
Trojan House
4 years ago

Unfortunately I think Luke Johnson is wrong. I live in Canada and I think we here are more afraid of this virus than any other nation, including the UK!

TheBluePill
4 years ago

I see that the BBBC (British Bullshit Broadcasting Corp) have owned up to the heart deaths. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-57781637

However…

“There was no link found for vaccines such as Oxford-AstraZeneca or Janssen, which use a genetically modified virus.”

Genetically modified virus??? WTF? I don’t know much about Janssen but for AZ this is a clear lie.

Lucan Grey
4 years ago
Reply to  TheBluePill

Viral vectored vaccines work in a different way. The genetic information inside a viral vectored vaccine like ChAdOx1 is DNA rather than RNA. This DNA is a short linear piece of double stranded DNA which contains the viral genes along with the gene for the spike protein. The viral vector first infects the cell and then delivers this DNA to the cell nucleus. The cell can then transcribes the viral genes (DNA) into mRNA using the same RNA polymerase it uses for our own genes. After transcription, the mRNA gets tagged so it can leave the nucleus and be made into spike protein by the cell machinery. In the Oxford vaccine, the viral gene that is required to replicate viral DNA has been removed. As viruses use a different process to human cells to replicate their DNA, the cell itself cannot replicate viral DNA either. This means the viral vector cannot replicate (make more viruses) or cause disease. Both the original viral DNA and the spike protein mRNA only last a few days before the cell removes them. Such design features alongside a cell’s natural DNA protection measures, prevents any possibility of viral DNA integrating with human DNA. Viral vector vaccines… Read more »

peyrole
peyrole
4 years ago
Reply to  Lucan Grey

”Both the original viral DNA and the spike protein mRNA only last a few days before the cell removes them.” Recently disproven by three seperate studies in US and a further one in Denmark.
‘the cell removes them’, and how exactly does it do that wonderful thing by itself?
No, its the killer cells activated by the Ig and Ia in your immune system that does that. In effect, your body starts to eat itself from within your arteries, hence blood clots and other problems.

SilentP
SilentP
4 years ago

Top story on the front page of The Times (not reported elsewhere?)

“Covid passports planned in time for England’s autumn wave”

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/covid-passports-planned-in-time-for-englands-autumn-wave-hgg8wpggv

HelzBelz
4 years ago

COVID passports to be required for pubs, clubs and restaurants from Autumn, according to the Tines today, to boost experimental gene therapy take up in the young. The screw tightens…

Paul B
4 years ago
Reply to  HelzBelz

Considering the source it could just be their own attempt at ‘increasing vaccine uptake’. The media really are scum. All the need is a downing Street toilet scrubber on board and they are able to print anything they like and claim official sources.

Norman
4 years ago
Reply to  Paul B

Not a nice way to refer to Carrie.

PoshPanic
4 years ago
Reply to  HelzBelz

What’s the betting the source is a member of Sage?

JohnK
4 years ago
Reply to  HelzBelz

And bankruptcy as well, more than likely!

realarthurdent
4 years ago
Reply to  HelzBelz

I’m not sure many young people go to pubs these days (even pre COVID) so if that is their plan it might not be a very cunning one.

Norman
4 years ago
Reply to  realarthurdent

I have lived in several small country towns and there is nowhere else for young people to socialise that doesn’t involve a 20 mile journey and very limited public transport.

isobar
4 years ago
Reply to  HelzBelz

Also reported in the Daily Mail. Covid passports ‘WILL be compulsory in pubs, clubs and restaurants’

https://mol.im/a/9774653

Mark
4 years ago

Reminds me of some exchanges I had with gloating advocates of the Australian insanity back in our winter (their summer) when they claimed their policy had obviously “worked” because they had no cases. I said: that’s because it’s seasonal – let’s see if you’re still gloating come your winter.

And here we are.

Obviously we’re going to see higher case numbers moving forward. So until we get that to zero or close to zero we cannot ease restrictions,” Ms Berejiklian said

Literal insanity. And I mean that “literal” literally, not figuratively, Annie.

MTF
MTF
4 years ago
Reply to  Mark

because it’s seasonal 

Are you sure? It is July and we are having a major wave of infections. Much of Europe and the USA look poised to follow.

iane
iane
4 years ago
Reply to  MTF

Actually we are having a major wave of positive test results – not at all the same thing as ‘infections’!

Mark
4 years ago
Reply to  MTF

“Seasonal” viruses do occasionally have relatively small summer epidemics – it’s a general description rather than a tightly definitive characteristic. But the current bump is tiny and to the extent it’s not just another “casedemic” will most likely prove very limited in scope.

If we weren’t fanatically testing (with an inherently misleading test) for the presence of viral fragments, and obsessively hunting for the slightest signs of the virus that can cause the disease, we wouldn’t be aware of anything happening at all.

peyrole
peyrole
4 years ago
Reply to  MTF

Oh yes, and hundreds of thousands are hospitalised and dying as well……or maybe not……just summer cold sniffles……never seen that before……..

Mark
4 years ago

Most people would rather be in the majority, than be right,

Ain’t that the truth.

A strong point in favour of the tolerance of dissent that we have lost with the rise of politically correct fanaticism in the late C20th/early C21st. Ed West discussed that issue on Unherd recently, and makes some good points, though I’m not a huge fan of the defeatist tone of his piece I still retain some hope that the insanity of this replacement of the old organic cultural consensus with this poisonous pc nonsense

The West’s cultural revolution is over

(Apart from anything else, he uses the term “cultural revolution” in a general descriptive sense here, whereas if the term is used in reference to the Chinese Cultural Revolution, with it’s brutal suppression of dissent and hammering of dissidents, then we are likely only at the beginning of it, not the end.)

JayBee
4 years ago
Reply to  Mark

“Worldly wisdom teaches that it is better for reputation to fail conventionally than to succeed unconventionally.” ― John Maynard Keynes

That Zuby thread is a corker!

Mark
4 years ago
Reply to  Mark

“I still retain some hope that the insanity of this replacement of the old organic cultural consensus with this poisonous pc nonsense “

….can be overturned.

Not sure how that got cut off!

thedarkhorse
4 years ago

I am still overawed at the way people are continuing to go forward for injections, despite the evidence being out there that they are causing serious side effects and deaths. I can’t get my head around it and it’s starting to do me in mentally. We are pummelled and coerced into allowing ourselves to be injected with experimental solutions, all of which have caused problems since day one….at the same time our freedoms are rapidly becoming dependent on our having this stuff in our bloodstreams in order to live some kind of “normal” life. It is the stuff of horror movies and makes my blood run cold. I personally don’t care about entry to pubs and clubs; it unnerves me as to the mission-creep which is so clearly intended. Like most of you, I don’t need this “vax”, I am reasonably fit and well and able to bat off most bugs. We all know it’s about digital ID in the long run. But the sheeple…they are dragging us down into the pit with them, by continually saying yes to everything and just complying. We really are the architects of our own downfall. Unless any vaxes appear on the “market” that… Read more »

JayBee
4 years ago
Reply to  thedarkhorse

Charles Joffe now expects most of the vaxxed to die within the next 3 years, after his tests showed that 62% of the vaxxed had higher D-Dimere values post receiving the jab.
Even if that is speculative, it is a correlation, and it would have to be investigated instead of ignored by any responsible public health authority.
I think we are driven forward solely by the sunk-cost fallacy at the moment.

Amtrup
4 years ago
Reply to  JayBee

Do you have a link to Joffe argument/analysis. I googled him and D-Dimere values but only git lots of neutral medical articles about the Dimere measure. Thanks.

Julian
4 years ago
Reply to  thedarkhorse

despite the evidence being out there that they are causing serious side effects and deaths” I’m quite sure very few people are aware of this evidence. Why would they be?