Children As Young as Five Face Mandatory PCR Tests When Travel Rules Change

We have learnt over the past year that no easing of lockdown rules comes without at least a few catches. The relaxing of travel quarantine rules for those who are fully vaccinated is no exception. Families that travel to “Amber List” countries may not have to self-isolate upon their return to the U.K. from July 19th, but they will have to force their children – aged between five and 18 – to undergo PCR testing, much to the anger of many parents. The Telegraph has the story.

Parents and academics claimed it was unnecessary and potentially harmful to test such young children, while tourism chiefs warned the extra costs for holidays could price many families out of foreign travel.

The Transport Secretary announced that all children aged five to 18 will have to undergo PCR tests when they return from Amber Countries with their parents or individually. Only those aged four or under will not have to be tested.

The tests are required as part of the Government’s new travel regime for double-jabbed adults and all children to be able to travel to Amber countries from July 19th without having to quarantine on their return to the U.K.

Children aged over 11 and all vaccinated adults will have to take pre-departure tests and a PCR test on or before day two after their arrival back in the U.K.

Those aged five to 11 have to take just the PCR test on arrival. For a family of four, it could add £400 to the cost of a holiday.

Most other countries in Europe exempt children aged under 12 but Mr Shapps said the PCR tests were necessary to enable the Government to track and prevent variants being imported through genome sequencing the samples.

Molly Kingsley, Co-Founder of UsforThem, a parents’ campaign group, said Britain had never tested healthy adults “let alone five year-olds for asymptomatic illnesses”.

“It is very unclear why we would be doing this now at a time when we know the vaccines have broken the link between infections and hospitalisations,” she said. 

“Many parents would feel uneasy about normalising testing for children as young as this. It sends a very negative message to our children that they are disease vectors.

“Any holiday with a family is expensive enough as it is. I would not put a five or eight year-old through this to go away.”

Professor Allyson Pollock, Director of the Newcastle University Centre for Excellence in Regulatory Science, said that with the link between infection, hospitalisation and deaths “hugely weakened”, testing children was illogical.

“We really should be asking: what is the prevalence of infection and how good is the natural immunity in the country they are returning to? What evidence is there that these tests will reduce transmission?” she said.

“I don’t understand the logic of it or what has informed it. Where are the evaluations and science to support this. They are making it up as they go along. This is the mess you get into when you introduce vaccine passports and Covid tests.

“You either make a decision that you don’t want people to travel to countries with high prevalence or coming back into them, or you simply say we have got pretty good immunity established in the country.”

The aviation industry welcomed the opening of Amber countries to vaccinated Britons as a “step in the right direction,” but urged the Government to ditch PCR tests for the fully jabbed.

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steve_w
4 years ago

what we have now is a summer cold

open up

no deaths, no hospitalisations. if you cant open up now, when can you?

Glynthepin
Glynthepin
4 years ago
Reply to  steve_w

They don’t want to. They will find a reason to impose lockdown again in the autumn if we stand for it.

James Kreis
4 years ago

A new low from this evil authoritarian regime.

KidFury
KidFury
4 years ago

Tongue scraping will be my method for the kids.

JayBee
4 years ago
Reply to  KidFury

Why?
Just pour mouthwash on the swab.
Don’t risk GO contamination.

Try to find a centre that uses throat swabs only if you must get to one.

INSIST upon them swabbing the throat only, if you have to get one in person and can’t identify fir that befirehand (say you have a thin septum that starts bleeding immediately, threaten to sue them, ask for indemnity signature etc.).

NEVER, EVER let them (they are mostly medically untrained former burger-flippers and hostesses for CS) put that thing deep into your nose!
See the video by the ENT specialist in the article I linked in another comment here.

KidFury
KidFury
4 years ago
Reply to  JayBee

If the mouthwash works, then I will do that for sure! The ones for travel can be done at home

Marmalade
4 years ago

Just tell them that you can’t be tested for medical reasons.

bringbacksanity
bringbacksanity
4 years ago
Reply to  Marmalade

Can you exempt your self or family members from tests on grounds of anxiety/ stress or religious belief etc ?

Cecil B
Cecil B
4 years ago

Yes, but they won’t let you on the plane

Awkward Git
4 years ago

I’ve given Toby all this info in the past and he never published it but then again neither did ANY MSM news outlet. Scared of OFCOM sanctions? It went onto 2 or 3 social media sites that I know of and that is it. All Toby or Will have to do is contact me and I will give them the original. In a FOI request answer from the Department of Health and Social Care Reference FOI-1240596 and it stated that a positive PCR test means nothing medically. The actual quote: “SARS-CoV-2 RNA means the RNA is present in that sample at that point in time. It does not mean that the patient has the novel coronavirus (COVID-19).” Or from this government publication: https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/926410/Understanding_Cycle_Threshold__Ct__in_SARS-CoV-2_RT-PCR_.pdf Some quotes: Cycle threshold (Ct) is a semi-quantitative value that can broadly categorise the concentration of viral genetic material in a patient sample following testing by RT PCR as low, medium or high – that is, it tells us approximately how much viral genetic material is in the sample.A single Ct value in the absence of clinical context cannot be relied upon for decision making about a person’s infectivity.The clinical significance of positive results with high Ct are difficult to interpret in… Read more »

NonCompliant
4 years ago
Reply to  Awkward Git

Everyone here already knows PCR is bogus including Toby, it’s old news to people here.

Awkward Git
4 years ago
Reply to  NonCompliant

So why will he and the rest of the MSM not publish it?

That is telling in itself.

You don’t fight against it you are complicit by inaction.

X - In Search of Space
X - In Search of Space
4 years ago
Reply to  Awkward Git

If LS were to gather such information as you have provided, it would be the basis for some highly valuable and powerful articles.

Thank you. Definitely ‘worth reading in full’.

JayBee
4 years ago
Reply to  Awkward Git

You are not seriously asking why the MSM won’t publish it?!
They didn’t report the German mask story that showed that children suffer either.
IMO, there was plenty of PCR test debunking stuff being published here and elsewhere already.
In Germany, Achgut and Rubikon in particular, have had dozens of high quality contributions on that, incl. your points, but forward it to them, or Bhakdi and Wodarg, if you don’t think so.

huxleypiggles
4 years ago
Reply to  Awkward Git

Thank you for such an informative and detailed explanation.

Hester
Hester
4 years ago
Reply to  Awkward Git

Thank you
Its very concerning that the MSM again is showing its lack of courage in not publishing these facts.

ronb
4 years ago
Reply to  Hester

There are a couple of foi replies this one admits it’s 40 cycles
https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/covid_information_2

Sam Vimes
4 years ago
Reply to  Hester

If you haven’t seen AG’s stuff before, he’s very, very good at this. Don’t forget, also, that the inventor of the PCR test said it shouldn’t be used in this way, and there’s also this from the BMJ on 30/12/2020:

It’s also unclear to what extent people with no symptoms transmit SARS-CoV-2. The only test for live virus is viral culture. PCR and lateral flow tests do not distinguish live virus. No test of infection or infectiousness is currently available for routine use.678 As things stand, a person who tests positive with any kind of test may or may not have an active infection with live virus, and may or may not be infectious.9
https://www.bmj.com/content/371/bmj.m4851

J4mes
4 years ago
Reply to  Hester

MSM are complicit in this shitshow – surely that is painfully obvious by now? There might be the occasional defector or someone going off message, but ultimately, they’re promoting the downfall of our people in every way possible.

Glynthepin
Glynthepin
4 years ago
Reply to  Hester

I think they are merely showing their complicity rather than their lack of courage.

ronb
4 years ago
Reply to  Awkward Git

There are a couple of foi replies this one admits it’s 40 cycles
https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/covid_information_2

smileymiley
4 years ago
Reply to  Awkward Git

Excellent stuff as usual AG.

JayBee
4 years ago
Reply to  Awkward Git

AG, they all know that.
Since over a year now.
Merkel just muttered BS in that regard in parliament, and/but her conclusion was basically: that’s why we need to test people even more often and in shorter intervals, comparing the ct numbers on each test where they started to give a positive and then we know when they were infectious and when not.
So, in short: we will never admit that they are useless, we will test even more instead and continue to make up things based on even more tests and results.
Guess why?
This is now a firmly entrenched tool to control the masses, especially if the vaxx passports can’t be made to fly, and a hugely profitable multi billion £ p.a. industry!

ebygum
4 years ago
Reply to  JayBee

Agreed. There isn’t one bit of this whole cornafraud that stands up to any scientific scrutiny. From lockdowns, to masks, to hand gunk, to PCR to vaccines, but we have been told they all work, and the masses believe. The informed amongst us have know for a very long time that it’s pretty much all Covid Theatre.

ebygum
4 years ago
Reply to  ebygum

I still appreciate the article AG, always nice to have actual facts when I’m haranguing some nit-wit.

NonCompliant
4 years ago

I guess we just need to jab 5 year olds and upwards so people can go on holidays. What’s not to like?

I really thought they’d go easier on the vaccinated than they appear to be doing. I’m sure some of them are scratching their heads at this point lol.

iane
iane
4 years ago
Reply to  NonCompliant

One can, charitably, forgive them once for being fooled so easily, but really how many times have the gullible fallen for the propaganda?!

X - In Search of Space
X - In Search of Space
4 years ago
Reply to  NonCompliant

“I’m sure some of them are scratching their heads at this point lol.”

….. and arms.

paul smith
4 years ago

…when not batting away the magnets.

Noumenon
4 years ago
Reply to  NonCompliant

They can’t be forgiving because they need to maintain control and in order to do that it requires the instillation of a sense of a state of emergency. The vaccinated are being coerced into a system of obligatory state bureaucracy, they need to be uncomfortable enough to carry on with it.

Cecil B
Cecil B
4 years ago

Twelve thousand Welsh NHS staff caught Covid

‘This year many NHS staff have done things they would never have expected to do’

Obviously dieting was not one of them

Worthy of a bar to her George Cross

https://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/health/healthcare-staff-wales-coronavirus-positive-20984552?utm_source=linkCopy&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=sharebar

paul smith
4 years ago
Reply to  Cecil B

…a Bounty Bar?

alw
alw
4 years ago

This is pure and simple child abuse. It must not be allowed to stand. Can we not all club together to seek judicial review about what is wholly unacceptable? Happy to contribute £1000. Any other takers?

iane
iane
4 years ago
Reply to  alw

If I trusted ‘our’ judicial system as far as I could throw Bozo!

Cecil B
Cecil B
4 years ago
Reply to  alw

There is a flaw in your plan

The courts are as bent as the politicians

Cecil B
Cecil B
4 years ago
Reply to  Cecil B

As an act of common decency I will however take the grand you are offering

JayBee
4 years ago
Reply to  Cecil B

In any fascist system, the whole civil service, the army, the whole health ‘profession’, the whole legal profession (not just the courts/judges/peosecutors), the media and the church, of course, the ‘education’ sector and all multinational/large cos management layers are fully behind the dictator’s policies and orders.

Hester
Hester
4 years ago
Reply to  alw

find the lawyer and I will gladly chip in and I have many friends who would join in too

Julian
4 years ago
Reply to  alw

Tilbrooks or Francis Hoar might be interested.

Awkward Git
4 years ago
Reply to  Julian

or laworfiction

DanClarke
DanClarke
4 years ago

Its not easy being 100% sceptical about all of this

Cecil B
Cecil B
4 years ago
Reply to  DanClarke

Oh, I don’t know

DanClarke
DanClarke
4 years ago
Reply to  Cecil B

It makes me see red, ie it would be easier on the blood pressure if I was a compliant sheep

steve_w
4 years ago
Reply to  DanClarke

I think it would be worse. you’d be terrified of covid

as it is I just laugh at the whole thing – very relaxing

William Gruff
William Gruff
4 years ago
Reply to  DanClarke

It certainly is easy.

Cecil B
Cecil B
4 years ago

Time to be creative folks

Drop the kids off at the local Social Services office on the way to the airport

On return quarantine for 14 days (just to be on the safe side) and then ask the SS to drop your loved ones home

Not difficult is it

knee chee
4 years ago

The government have clearly moved their full attention to our children.
A cohort with almost zero risk of developing severe symptoms of or dying with covid are being subjected to pokes and prods to keep a small number of people “safe”.
Are the same cohort going to subject themselves to vaccines marketed for protecting our babies and children?
I’m sure we won’t see a queue of over 70’s lining up to receive their rotavirus vaccine.
Were they made to social distance and strap on a mask when visiting newborn family members?

khelke
khelke
4 years ago

*yawn* We can’t even travel to the next province in the Philippines without all of us getting swabbed–even my 3-year-old.

Draper233
4 years ago
Reply to  khelke

*yawn* Yep, that’s what happens when there’s a nutter running the country.

A Y M
4 years ago
Reply to  Draper233

Every single country in the world is being run be craven nutters taking turns to try out ever more farcical and authoritarian bio-invasive dictats.
Its no good pointing fingers at other countries as it’s only a matter of time before their BS horror show becomes ours.

Draper233
4 years ago
Reply to  A Y M

First, Duterte was an evil nutter before the Covid shitshow and still will be if it ever ends. I’ll point my finger at the twat as much as I like.

Second, you’ve completely missed the point. My response was a dig at OP because he/she dismissed the ATL story as no big deal compared to what’s happening in Philippines, presumably unaware that it’s exactly this kind of apathetic attitude that leads to even more crazy measures from even more brazen power-drunk leaders thinking they can get away with anything.

A Y M
4 years ago
Reply to  Draper233

Take it easy, I’m not in disagreement with you.

Mark
4 years ago

This is now clearly a test of basic humanity. Travel restrictions for the healthy in response to covid were futile for any other purpose than maintaining panic by the time they were imposed in March 2020. Conventional pandemic response said once influenza was established in the country there was no further benefit, that could possibly justify the costs incurred, in controlling travel for the healthy because the disease was already through the door. It’s absolutely clear that applied also to other respiratory viruses like covid. These restrictions are now utterly pointless for any medical or healthcare purpose. So they are there, like facemasks, to maintain the sense of emergency. The costs are high – the flipside of the basic law for dealing with pandemics applies here: “Experience has shown that communities faced with epidemics or other adverse events respond best and with the least anxiety when the normal social functioning of the community is least disrupted.” But the costs are not, of course, mostly paid by the beneficiaries. When the travel restrictions are tied, as here, to discriminatory policies like privileged relief for the vaccinated, then it’s clear that the additional purpose is to bully and pressurise people to comply… Read more »

KidFury
KidFury
4 years ago
Reply to  Mark

I ask them if they’re pro choice

Jez Hewitt
4 years ago
Reply to  KidFury

That’s my first question to anyone. Are you pro choice without any conditions? If yes, are you willing to march next to me to protect that choice? A no after either of those and I can’t waste further energy or break bread.

A Y M
4 years ago
Reply to  Mark

What’s going on now is the greatest test of our individual humanity, resilience and patience ever seen.
We need to stay strong even if that involves keeping quiet until the reality dawns on the rest of them.
There really is no hope. There is only one direction and it’s down. We will have to accept that and at least love with a clear conscience and try and save or protect our children as much as we can.
I think detaching from the reach of society as much as possible and finding pleasure in constructive activities particularly in nature and perhaps in communing with our God, is the only refuge left.
Sorry if that’s dark, but at least we have each other.

Noumenon
4 years ago
Reply to  Mark

One thing people mustn’t lost sight of is the fact that NONE of us are vaccinated. A system based on indefinite “boosters” (which the system most certainly will be) is a system where the pressure is always there, you are almost always in the position of being de facto unvaccinated.

The above point is why I’ve always maintained that it isn’t the unstabbed vs. the stabbed, rather it is those who don’t want their lives tied to state rape vs. those who do.

Hester
Hester
4 years ago

The logic is extremely obvious the Government wants all Children injected, they are too cowardly to recommend it because they know that the deaths and injuries to Children will be laid at their door. But, for whatever reason and whoever is the Cabinets paymaster it is imperative they get everyone to accept these product into their bodies, and so they are now using tactics that will force parents to make the decision, and so when the parents child dies, they are the ones to carry the responsibility. Having had PCR tests done to myself it is extremely uncomfortable the medic literally shoves the thing right up to the septum, can you imagine the pain, harm and cruelty of doing this to a young child?Exactly what sort of person is Grant Shapps?, what sort of people are in the cabinet that they would exact such cruelty and abuse on a young child who is no more at risk from Covid than they are from being eaten by bears.
How much longer are people going to tolerate this abuse and start to protect their children.?

JayBee
4 years ago
Reply to  Hester

In Germany, they are now aggressively using Long Covid to get support for the children being jabbed, as they can’t use travel restrictions within Schengen.
I think you are right, for the UK it’s easier to use travel instead.

PissedOffDad
4 years ago
Reply to  Hester

what sort of person is Grant Shapps?”

Easy answer. He’s a CUNT.

huxleypiggles
4 years ago

This is quite simply child abuse. Grant Shapps hasn’t thought this up, he isn’t bright enough. He is just the order taker.

Designed to stop travel to so-called “Amber list” countries as those pushing this know parents would not wish to put their children through such horror; but what if the trip is essential – a dying relative for example.

Evil beyond belief.

Bella Donna
4 years ago

“New Zealand panic as children fall ill in high numbers – experts warn of ‘immunity debt'” Express

They should have seen this coming but then again if you let academics with political affiliations to communists and billionaires with zero medical knowledge and ignore the real experts this is what happens!

A Y M
4 years ago
Reply to  Bella Donna

Same thing is happening in Israel.

William Gruff
William Gruff
4 years ago
Reply to  Bella Donna

‘They should have seen this coming …

Perhaps they did.

Bella Donna
4 years ago

This is about curtailing thd travelling of plebs As has been seen rules don’t apply to the Elite or their friends or families. This man made crisis was manufactured for political reasons.

KidFury
KidFury
4 years ago

Is it really worth not getting the jab now? They are making life very hard for those of us who do not want it… and I think it will get harder. For how long will this go on? Next up will be boosters, and then the annual jabs. It’s going to be like this for years. Can I really hold out for years?

JayBee
4 years ago
Reply to  KidFury

An acquaintance in Germany already got her invite and appointment for the booster jab in January, whilst they are officially still denying their need.
But she and the jabbed are actually looking forward to them now.
They can’t be helped anymore.
If you can, wait for the Valneva vaxx, at least.
There will also be plenty of Green countries eventually.
And as the red states and their people are holding out in the US, there is still some hope that the whole thing will fall apart and that it can still be stopped, even if the jabbed stay alive.
Obvuously, if you can emigrate there, go for it.

Julian
4 years ago
Reply to  KidFury

It depends what your requirements are. If I really wanted/needed to travel abroad, I would take the tests and either quarantine or not depending on how rebellious I felt and what was going on in my life at the time. I guess for regular travel that would be a pain.

As it stands, being jabbed doesn’t give any other benefits (unless you think they work to prevent you from getting bad covid) and has plenty of downsides.

KidFury
KidFury
4 years ago
Reply to  Julian

My current plan is to visit Portugal on the 2th July with the family. I will need to quarantine for 14 days there, but I will be in a villa with a pool, so not massively annoying. We’re going for three weeks so I will get a week freedom to go the beach and stuff with the family. Quarantine when I get back is not a biggie as I work from home anyway, and I will still go out tbh. Testing of the kids is pretty sick, but I will just scrape their tongue and cheat the test. But, I just dont know if i can do this for years, which I really think we’re going to have to. If i cant travel for work without vaccination and quarantining, that is going to be a massive issue, too.

I’m trying to hold firm but it’s damn hard

Julian
4 years ago
Reply to  KidFury

Regarding work, I am curious to see whether firms continue to send their staff round the world if it can be avoided. I guess it depends what line of work you’re in, whether the tasks can be done remotely. Your employer is probably obliged to make reasonable adjustments for you, but in practice in the current climate you may not get much sympathy from them.

KidFury
KidFury
4 years ago
Reply to  Julian

Well at the moment travel for work needs is off completely, and there is definitely support for doing tasks remotely. But my role is customer-facing, so at some point I will need to travel. My employer is pretty good with most things, so time will tell. If

William Gruff
William Gruff
4 years ago
Reply to  KidFury

A week’s conditional ‘freedom’ is certainly worth rewriting your DNA for, for ever or as long as you survive the jabs.

Draper233
4 years ago
Reply to  KidFury

77th?

Fucking pathetic.

Most of us are fighting a war here, do you really think your little psyops have any effect?

I’m ready to resist until my dying day, but know the whole sham will fall apart well before that anyway.

KidFury
KidFury
4 years ago
Reply to  Draper233

Dude, I am just a normal guy with a family who want to travel and see grandparents in portugal before they die. I also travel for work, which is obviously not happening at thr moment, but will do. Everyone I know has the jab, and the pressure is immense. I am holding out, but I am starting to wobble. Sometimes I dig in, and other days I question myself. That’s all man.

Catee
4 years ago
Reply to  KidFury

Mmmm, just wondering why your previous reply to Julian didn’t mention the grandparents 🤔

KidFury
KidFury
4 years ago
Reply to  Catee

It’s not something I declare in every post. Not sure why you are being such a twat. There is not many of us around, you should try being a bit more supportive and not thinking people are enemies.

Catee
4 years ago
Reply to  KidFury

You’re clearly feeling very angry at the moment which seems to make you very aggressively rude. Not the best way to garner support.
I wish you all the best for the future.

KidFury
KidFury
4 years ago
Reply to  Catee

I wasn’t angry until I was accused of coercion and pysops by paranoid people on a site I thought was supposed to be a community of like-minded souls who disagree with all this stuff. As I said, I am just a normal dude who is feeling the pressure and wondering how long I can hold out. Apologies for being rude, but it’s not easy out there, and getting it from people here too really doesn’t help.

Catee
4 years ago
Reply to  KidFury

Apology accepted.
Questioning the validity of someone’s post is not paranoia, particularly when we are all being subjected to so much rubbish from bots, 77th etc.
You’re right, this forum is for support of like minded people regarding the current situation, which is why it’s good that we are able to question anyone we feel may not be likeminded but here to undermine.
For your sakeI hope you hold out.

clem
clem
4 years ago
Reply to  Catee

Can I just say I’m impressed that this thread has ended amicably. I think this is the first time I’ve seen this happen on an internet post – there must be a glitch in the system!

KidFury
KidFury
4 years ago
Reply to  clem

I was always told as a kid that an apology goes a long way 🙂

Sweyn Forkbeard
Sweyn Forkbeard
4 years ago
Reply to  KidFury

Hold firm, kid! I feel the pressure too from all sides. We are in the minority in resisting the ‘jab’ but you are not alone. In the country where I live (in the EU) I saw a poster the other day saying ‘Get vaccinated so you can go on holiday’. It was really that blatant and obviously nothing to do with health. Clearly marketed at young adults who would (quite sensibly) otherwise not wish to do so.

KidFury
KidFury
4 years ago

Jet2 have now confirmed they are flying to Amber list countries. We booked Portugal when it was Green. At the moment, to go, it means:

Wife and I both need departure tests
My 6yo son wearing a mask in the airport and on the plane (2.5hrs)
Me isolate in Portugal for 14 days (wife and kids fine, she has had her jab)
Departure tests back to England for me and wife
Me isolate for 10 days when home
Me, wife, and 6yo son have a day 2 test when home
Me have day 5 release early test
Me have a day 8 test

My wife is desperate to see her dad in Portugal, who had cancer last year and not be around long. If I go, it will be stressful and exensive. If I dont go, I will forever be the bad guy who stopped my wife seeing her dying dad. Or, she goes on her own with the kids for a week instead of the 3 we are due to go for

Hester
Hester
4 years ago
Reply to  KidFury

And the cost! lining the cabinets personal pockets, from all the contracts given to their mates. It really is disgusting.

Sweyn Forkbeard
Sweyn Forkbeard
4 years ago
Reply to  KidFury

That sounds like a complete nightmare. That list in your post summarises why my wife and I have decided in all probability not to return to the UK to see our families this summer: we have young children as well and don’t need the hassle. I’m sorry to hear about your wife’s dad and I hope you manage to have as decent a break as you can under these suboptimal circumstances. Good luck!

Hester
Hester
4 years ago
Reply to  KidFury

Lots of people are thinking the same as you are, Its the Governments way of wearing us down. However; My own thoughts are the more they push, the more I will resist, I do believe there is another game at play here,I also think that once the flu season hits the vaccinated will start to become much more affected than the non vaccinated due to this novel drug messing with the immune system. I also think once Children start getting the drug there will be a number of dead children and seriously harmed children from the drug. Its an awful thing, that a few children will have to be martyred to save the rest of us.
But thats my opinion, my choice, those who want the vaccine then they should take it and no one has a right to discredit or abuse, likewise those who choose not to take the vaccine should be accorded the same courtesy. Your body, your choice you do what you want with it as long as it is your choice.

PissedOffDad
4 years ago
Reply to  KidFury

Sympathise, truly. Everyone is feeling the stress. My family all remain un-jabbed and intend to keep it that way. Can’t say i am going to miss vacations under the current regime. They were always stressful even under the most benign situations so running their sadistic gauntlet of regulations does not appeal in the slightest. Also, it’s essential that a sizeable minority hold out and do not relent on this. It will swing back our way eventually, i’m sure.

Catee
4 years ago
Reply to  KidFury

I suppose you have to ask yourself which do I want more, a holiday etc now or next year with masks, testing etc in place and vaccinations (that aren’t vaccinations really) or do I want to wait two years and see what happens to those who have succumbed, who may well not be well enough or indeed alive to go on holiday next year?
Only you can make that decision but I think trying to ‘coerce’ others on this forum with “is it really not worth getting the jab now” shows you in a very poor light and personally I couldn’t give a damn if you do get the poison injected into you, just don’t bleat about it on here.

KidFury
KidFury
4 years ago
Reply to  Catee

Oh fuck off – I am not trying to coerce anyone. Do you even know what that word means? I am just sharing my thoughts and maybe trying to get a little moral support for holding out. Julian below understand the way to respond and support people like us who are having a little wobble. Maybe you could try the same instead of being an arsehole

Catee
4 years ago
Reply to  KidFury

😂😂😂 I have been very supportive of people on here previously who I felt were genuinely struggling. Apologies if you really are one of those, unfortunately you don’t come across as one of them.

Catee
4 years ago
Reply to  Catee

I would just point out that this was my reply to KidFury’s original post, for some reason it got moved so is niw out of sync.

J4mes
4 years ago
Reply to  KidFury

It wasn’t worth getting the jab before and it’s not worth getting it now. However, if you choose to get the jab, remember that your chances of becoming seriously ill or worse are greater than getting ill from covid.

KidFury
KidFury
4 years ago
Reply to  J4mes

I had covid last year, had worse colds. It lasted two days, with extremely mild symptoms. So I have no worries around that at all. But rushed vaccines are what scares me. I know I am doing the right thing not getting it, just some days I have a wobble that’s all. Thanks man

Catee
4 years ago
Reply to  KidFury

If you’ve had covid you have absolutely no reason to get jabbed. I think you can have an antigen/T cell test (not an antibody test) if positive you’re protected more than any jab will give you.

KidFury
KidFury
4 years ago
Reply to  Catee

Yep, but this stupid govt (and others around the world) seem to think that is not good enough to travel. it’s bloody ridiculous. if this was really about public health, then immunity from prior infection would be treated the same as the stupid vaccines. but clearly it’s not

Sweyn Forkbeard
Sweyn Forkbeard
4 years ago
Reply to  Catee

Indeed. I think we have all ‘smelled a rat’ about the motives behind the mass vaccine rollout for a long time. The (otherwise inexplicable) downplaying of the efficacy of natural immunity acquired from prior infection offers conclusive proof of this in my view.

Nymeria
4 years ago
Reply to  KidFury

Don’t give up or give in to the bastards.

Mark
4 years ago
Reply to  KidFury

Is it really worth not getting the jab now? “

Depends how much self respect you have, how risk averse you are (the unknown risks of the vaccinations being the concern, not the trivial risks of covid) and what the costs of resisting are for you.

For me, pride alone is enough – when some bastard tries to push me in a particular direction, I respond by digging my heels in and pushing back.

But it’s relatively easy for me on this, being of a certain age and with adult children. I can’t tell you how often I’ve given thanks that this hysterical panic didn’t arise a few years ago when I had children at home!

I will say it’s possible the pressure will lift over the course of the next year or so, when they feel they’ve done enough people that the power/profit returns of further pressure are too diminished, but there’s no guarantee.

Annie
4 years ago
Reply to  KidFury

Life hard?
Mine isn’t.

KidFury
KidFury
4 years ago
Reply to  Annie

Hard? No.

JayBee
4 years ago

The PCR tests are medically completely useless as performed. We know that, they know that and Shapps actually admitted this here: this is not about catching cases, but about identifying new variants. Aka: keeping the labs busy and the new medical industrial complex happy. On top of that, the self-administered ones can be faked, mine certainly always will be, if I ever have to take one. Not least, because the invasive procedure itself is a) fundamentally illegal and illegitimate, because it infringes upon my inalienable indivdual right of bodily autonomy, b) medically very dangerous as performed- EVERY ENT specialists knows and can explain that, see Video (and leaving controversial GO contamination aside, let alone deliberate one) and c) as such impossible to perform medically correctly, safe AND medically useful. An ENT doctor from Berlin explains that here: if the swab was to be taken safely and correctly, it would have to be taken by a specialist with a special instrument with a camera on it, as no nose is straight. As that isn’t done, the swabs are retracted before they reach the back of the throat, which renders them medically just as useful as sneezing on them, aka pretty useless.… Read more »

Draper233
4 years ago

The lady from UsforThem does herself no favours by parroting the Government line that “the vaccines have broken the link between infections and hospitalisation”

There is no evidence to support this.

My take is that we’re in the same position as last year after the vaccines hospitalised and killed many of the most susceptible in the winter.

Let’s see what happens in 3 months time as the Government itself is already talking about flu-like death levels for those vaxxed.

As for the disgusting and unnecessary PCR tests, they’re simply there to make it as uncomfortable and expensive for ordinary people to travel.

We all know that it’s fuck all to do with a virus!

J4mes
4 years ago

My eight year old nephew was born intolerant to wheat and glucose and occasionally gets really ill if he eats or touches anything with these ingredients. Earlier this week he got a very high temperature and had sore ears which was keeping him awake at night.

My sister phoned the local doctors and spoke with a new doctor whom my sister said had a poor grasp of English. Apparently the doctor insisted she take my nephew in to get a covid test. She says the doctor dismissed my sister’s concerns about this and continued insisting on the test.

So she foolishly took my nephew in for a test which came back negative a couple days later – by which point his illness had passed on its own.

Just another example of how real illness is being ignored and shunned by the NHS in favour of this fake pandemic, but on this occasion, a young boy who is already unwell having a very unpleasant test done on him that doesn’t serve any purpose than to generate fear.

huxleypiggles
4 years ago
Reply to  J4mes

I have spoken with three Doctors since the SCAM started two in hospital and one socially. Not one understood the PCR test. All three have swallowed the Asymptomatic BS. And the hospital Doctors couldn’t wait to stick something up my nose even though I had been admitted for a heart attack. Fuckers.

Those in the NHS who have swallowed the scam, and there are a lot of them, are really a menace and bloody dangerous.

PS. They didn’t get the PCR off me.

William Gruff
William Gruff
4 years ago
Reply to  huxleypiggles

‘Doctors’ of the medical sort rarely hold a qualifying doctorate and are often unbelievably dim, in my experience.

realarthurdent
4 years ago

My children, both under 12, will not be swabbed by anyone for COVID-19 if they are not actually ill.

If this means they do not travel abroad for some years to come, so be it. My first travel abroad was when I was 17. Not the end of the world for them and us to holiday in the UK for the forseeable.

Being swabbed for a COVID test is really unpleasant and painful. Expecting children who are not ill to do this is child abuse.

crisisgarden
4 years ago

I knew back in Spring 2020 that my family and I would not travel abroad again until and unless there was a revolution and the Technocracy collapsed under the weight of its own bullshit. They won’t induct me and my family into their shitty new system with the threat of a travel ban, they’ll need to do much better than that. Get on with the fucking quarantine camps already, motherfuckers.

stewart
4 years ago

Laying the ground work for the push to vaccinate the kiddies.

They’ll probably call it the “no child left behind” programme. That will be enough of a mind trick for the majority.

The abusive testing will make sure the travellers give in.

Some humiliating measure in schools will get the non-conformist parents who even still don’t want their kids to be put through social shame.

That will leave a handful which nobody in society will miss if they are ostracised and isolated. It won’t be a big enough number to make anyone feel bad about themselves.

crazypaving
crazypaving
4 years ago

We booked for Crete last year whilst in Crete, somehow it’s worse this year than last to travel, anyway, I’ll buy a kit for my 6 year old and swab my own cheek twice, she’s not being tested.

PissedOffDad
4 years ago

Nice to see Team Johnson piling on the stress, the indignity and medical sadism on to an already mega fucked off public including those who bent the elbow to take their shite gene therapy. Will be interesting to see how this pans out over the summer. Holiday, my arse.

PissedOffDad
4 years ago

The point at which violent resistance becomes an imperative comes ever closer. I don’t like melodrama, especially in a plot with this many holes and suspensions of disbelief, being played out by such a motley crew of third rate actors, but here we are. It’s just a matter of time till the final Mexican variant stand-off. And I won’t blink!

JohnK
4 years ago

Official fraud. As simple as that.

james007
4 years ago

My 4 year old boy has severe autism. He coughed whilst at preschool. I explained that he had the same cough I had (very mild) and that both my wife and I had negative Covid test results.
Preschool said he would not be allowed back until he had a negative PCR test. I would be happy to lie in these circumstances, but they also wanted the test result ID for their records.
Came back from work with my wife in tears after having to administer this test. He didn’t understand what was going on and was very scared.
Back a Preschool now and happy. But not an experience I would want any infant to go through.

Epi
Epi
4 years ago

Shapps or whatever his name is should be publicly flogged then locked up and the key launched into space. What on earth do they think they are doing?