Pro-Lockdown SAGE Advisor Stephen Reicher Thinks Caring about Freedom is Selfish and Wants Us to Surrender to the Supreme Authority of the State For Ever in the Name of Compassion

We’re publishing a guest post today by Professor David McGrogan, a Senior Lecturer in the Faculty of Law and Business at Northumbria University, about the recent twitter rant of Stephen Reicher, a lockdown zealot who sits on SAGE. Reicher was absolutely horrified by Sajid Javid’s suggestion that we have to learn to live with the virus and that means taking personal responsibility for managing our own behaviour. He is one of many so-called experts who are ranting and raving about the lifting of restrictions on July 19th – out in force on the airwaves today –  believing its a terrible dereliction of duty on the Government’s part.

Stephen Reicher, a psychologist who sits on SAGE, recently made headlines with a twitter rant against Sajid Javid. It is full of bluster, bombast and keyboard-warrior aggression like twitter rants always are, but also contains one tweet that is highly revealing about the pro-lockdown mindset.

“Above all,” Reicher tells us, “it is frightening to have a ‘Health’ [sic] Secretary who wants to make all protections a matter of personal choice when the message of the pandemic is ‘this isn’t an ‘I’ thing, it’s a ‘we’ thing. Your behaviour affects my health. Get your head around the ‘we’ concept.’”

https://twitter.com/ReicherStephen/status/1411631602787094528

We’ve heard this kind of thing a lot, of course: one of the chief rhetorical devices of the pro-lockdown movement is the depiction of anybody who dissents as selfish. Those of us who are sceptical can only possibly be that way because we just want to go to the pub and everybody’s grannies can simply go hang. But it is worth dwelling on certain assumptions underlying the tweet, because they help us to understand a little bit more about the worldview upon which people like Stephen Reicher base their views and advice.

The first is the elision between ‘we’ and the state, which has characterised support for lockdown since the very beginning, and which suggests both a disregard for the distinction between the public and private spheres and a lack of concern for, or appreciation of, the existence of a society as a thing independent from the realm of politics. No sceptic I am aware of has ever taken the position that life should have continued completely as normal during the pandemic period. Our position has been that it is up to us (or the ‘”we” concept’ as Reicher might put it) to make those decisions for ourselves in consideration of those around us, rather than to have the State impose them on us from above. It is not about anarchic libertarianism sticking two fingers up to authority. It is about taking responsibility for our own actions, like adults.

There is something deeply Hobbesian about the view to which Reicher subscribes: the idea that the leviathan must take responsibility for every aspect of our lives, since left to our own devices we’re simply incapable of making sensible decisions. The difficulty that somebody in his position faces, of course, is that once that logical leap has been made, everything is up for grabs – the state might as well make all significant decisions for everybody for ever, since it alone possesses the advice of the ‘experts’, and since we’re so damned untrustworthy and stupid. Perhaps he finds that idea appealing, but if he does, he is in a tiny minority.

The second is the unstated rejection of individual rights. As Ronald Dworkin, probably the most important legal philosopher of the latter part of the 20th century, was wont to emphasise, individual rights have no meaning unless they trump considerations of the general welfare. If individual rights (to free expression, conscience, assembly, liberty, etc.) have to give way if it is for the good of the ‘general welfare’, then that means individual rights do not exist. Whenever politicians deem it important to override them, then they can, because it will always be possible to declare a policy to be in the ‘general welfare’. Civil liberties are only worth more than the paper they are written on if they protect individual freedom even though it is not in the general welfare. There may be circumstances in which a serious public emergency will trump even that consideration (and one individual’s rights can be limited by another individual’s competing rights, of course). But that situation has to be extremely rare. And we are certainly not in such a situation now that all of the vulnerable have been double-jabbed and almost all other adults at least partially vaccinated. Stephen Reicher may not deem it important to live in a rights-respecting democracy, but he should say so if that is his opinion.

The third, and in my view most troubling, is the implication that freedom itself is selfish. Public health may be a “we” thing, but that does not mean that freedom is an “I” thing. No sensible liberal thinker has ever argued anything other than that individual freedom comes with, and is contingent upon, responsibility, self-control, discipline, restraint, and community-mindedness. To live as a free individual means to live in a dense network of mutual respect, protection, cooperation and compassion, because otherwise one cannot live at all. To be free means to live with the consequences of one’s actions – and that means to act at every turn in the awareness that there are other people around oneself, whose needs and desires are to be respected and mutually bolstered with one’s own. Freedom is a “we” thing – it is probably the most important “we” thing of all. This is to be contrasted with the alienating, atomised, individualised world of the lockdown advocates: no socialising, schooling, community activities or even sex except where mediated by the authority and permission of the state. No society, no family, no friends – unless the state lets you.

I know who needs to get his head around the “we” concept – and it isn’t Sajid Javid.

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unmaskthetruth
4 years ago

Now we see who the real covid enthusiasts are..!

TORs
4 years ago
Reply to  unmaskthetruth

yes, it really is the “pro-covid faction”. Gradually the “anti-covid” voices are being heard

chris c
chris c
4 years ago
Reply to  unmaskthetruth

Stephen Reicher = Klaus Schwab lite

steve_w
4 years ago

why the fuck is a psychologist sitting on SAGE?

steve_w
4 years ago
Reply to  steve_w

I just looked up some of his publications. ‘Word salad’ doesn’t really do it justice

TORs
4 years ago
Reply to  steve_w

maybe advising on how to make the public more afraid?

steve_w
4 years ago
Reply to  TORs

I think that’s exactly it. you’d think they’d be advocating for healthcare for lockdown victims. but maybe they are just drumming up business

Mr Dee
4 years ago
Reply to  TORs

There’s no ‘maybe’ about it. Reicher crops up in Laura Dodsworth’s book, A State of Fear, a couple of times. Spreading fear, on behalf of the government, is indeed his role.

bOrgkilLaH1of7
4 years ago
Reply to  TORs

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Corky Ringspot
4 years ago
Reply to  TORs

No “maybe” about it.

Norman
4 years ago
Reply to  steve_w

To keep all the other psychologists company.

HeresJohnny
HeresJohnny
4 years ago
Reply to  steve_w

Another member of the special Einsatzgruppe
(special Nazi extermination squads – for those who forgotten the term)

Rowan
Rowan
4 years ago
Reply to  steve_w

Because its function is to scare the shit out of us.

Hopeless
4 years ago
Reply to  steve_w

Because the whole motley crew are deranged, and one more lunatic self-regarding left wing shit makes no difference.

Annie
4 years ago
Reply to  steve_w

Psychopersil washes brains whiter.

LMS2
4 years ago
Reply to  steve_w

He’s not the only one. Most of SAGE seem to be psychologists, all the better to coerce and bully us with.

Skeptical_Stu
Skeptical_Stu
4 years ago
Reply to  steve_w

Ha ha, great question. Brief, but hits home hard the point behind it.

David101
4 years ago
Reply to  steve_w

There are many psychologist and behavioural scientists on SAGE. Their job is the equivalent of a border collie to a flock of sheep. They are there to manage our behaviour by instilling fear.

beancounter
beancounter
4 years ago
Reply to  steve_w

How many of them are not psychologists?

William Gruff
William Gruff
4 years ago
Reply to  steve_w

His particular sagacity is useful to ‘THEM’.

wendy
wendy
4 years ago

Stephen Reicher comes from a place where his instinct is that only he and people he is friends with can be trusted. The large mass of people, Reicher judges them to be untrustworthy. To live amongst others, which we must and need to for our own survival, is to trust them.

Moist Von Lipwig
4 years ago

Selfishness is a virtue and never mind Ronald Dworkin, try Ayn Rand.

As for “The third, and in my view most troubling, is the implication that freedom itself is selfish. Public health may be a “we” thing, but that does not mean that freedom is an “I” thing.”, it is selfish and selfishness is a virtue, self-sacrifice is a sin, altruism the morality of death, communism, socialism and fascism are all altruism translated into politics.

RickH
4 years ago

Oh fuck. More grist to the 77th Brigade mill from the loopy right; the comrades of the loopy left shadow box with them.

awildgoose
4 years ago

Reicher.

They just love to troll us with the names of those they install in positions of influence.

JayBee
4 years ago
Reply to  awildgoose

The new boss of the German BBC equivalent ZDF is Mr. Himmler, no kidding.

Too young to be old
Too young to be old
4 years ago
Reply to  JayBee

Zimbabwe defence Forces?

Bella Donna
4 years ago

Isn’t time the government kicked these idiots into the kerb? They were not elected so why are we having to suffer their brand of politics? Insufferable arrogant wanquers!

steve_w
4 years ago
Reply to  Bella Donna

why aren’t they just advising the government on the effect of various policies? rather than advocating certain policies or going straight to the media

where’s the cost/benefit analysis? the fucking arseholes ‘own’ the effects of lockdown

BurlingtonBertie
4 years ago
Reply to  Bella Donna

Patrick Vallance appointed all of SAGE. Government need to insist that he kick the idiots out.

Steve Green
Steve Green
4 years ago

And then join them.

William Gruff
William Gruff
4 years ago

No need to get Vallance to do anything; all that is required is the disbandment of SAGE.

TORs
4 years ago

It’s notable that practically all the comments to Reicher’s tweets are full-on supportive, e.g.:
https://twitter.com/ReicherStephen/status/1411631602787094528
“This autumn is going to be the most frightening of all”, “It’s like he has not been here for the last 18 months”, “its all about individual desires and little about social responsibility”, “He’s a self-professed acolyte of Ayn Rand”. Maybe Reicher just blocks critics? The Pharma twitter squad “leaning in”? Guidance welcome.

Paul B
4 years ago
Reply to  TORs

It was scary I read them and pointing out the responses this morning. Twitter does foster an echo chamber in general though.

LMS2
4 years ago
Reply to  Paul B

If they kick off anyone who disagrees, that’s all that’s left.

Mr Dee
4 years ago
Reply to  TORs

77th Brigade?

NonCompliant
4 years ago

So why not just sack this ‘member’ of SAGE. It’s patently obvious he’s a communist like Michie and yet they are bothneither scientifically qualfied and remain in place?

If I was Javid I would have his head on a plate and yet here he is mouthing off to all and sundry.

cloud6
4 years ago
Reply to  NonCompliant

Now that’s an interesting idea (head on a plate). If you are talking literally the last beheading in Britain took place in 1747, however, today ISIL and some Islamic states still practice this. Ur, um.

Annie
4 years ago
Reply to  cloud6

The last beheading in Britain was in 1820.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arthur_Thistlewood

Occams Pangolin Pie
4 years ago
Reply to  NonCompliant

He seems more ruffled and twitchy than righteous.
They sense the tide of unreason is going out at long last.

snoozle
snoozle
4 years ago

when the key message of the pandemic is “this isn’t an ‘I’ thing, it’s a ‘we’ thing. Your behaviour affects my health. Get your head around the ‘we’ concept”.

Oh, I don’t know. I think that the key message of the pandemic is that when we let the government think that our health is a ‘we’ thing rather than an ‘I’ thing, what we see is horrific cruelty, fuzzy logic, huge sections of society thrown under the bus, and generally worse outcomes than if ‘we’ just managed it ourselves on an ‘I’ by ‘I’ basis.

ellie-em
4 years ago
Reply to  snoozle

Reicher.
He’s a total nut job.
His behaviour affects my health.
He’ll have to get over it.
Or self refer to a secure facility with total isolation facilities. Even better.

djmo
4 years ago

In my experience, the people who are likely to be accused of wanting grannies to die (i.e. those who opposed lockdowns) are also over-represented amongst those who are actually involved in the day to day care of their grannies. When you see the impact of forced isolation on real people who are near the end of their lives, you understand that, for the elderly, living isn’t just about not dying.

Occams Pangolin Pie
4 years ago
Reply to  djmo

Yes!

Annie
4 years ago
Reply to  djmo

True. But not-dying is what some of them get.
Not-dying is the senility wing of most ‘care’ homes.

A Heretic
A Heretic
4 years ago

No sceptic I am aware of has ever taken the position that life should have continued completely as normal during the pandemic period.

well here’s one. You wouldn’t have even known there was a “pandemic” on without the massive propaganda and fake-testing machine in place.

Mark
4 years ago
Reply to  A Heretic

Here’s another.

I’m reasonably confident (as much as one can be in any counterfactual) that if we had continued our lives as normal during the pandemic period, we would by now have forgotten about it, other than in some technical medical journals and records, and we would probably not have sustained significantly greater numbers of deaths.

And of course there’s the point that:

Experience has shown that communities faced with epidemics or other adverse events respond best and with the least anxiety when the normal social functioning of the community is least disrupted.
Disease Mitigation Measures in the Control of Pandemic Influenza

Occams Pangolin Pie
4 years ago
Reply to  Mark

Spot on.

Julian
4 years ago
Reply to  A Heretic

Here’s another. There’s no evidence that doing anything else has done much good, and plenty of evidence it has done the opposite.

TheFascistCoronaFraud
TheFascistCoronaFraud
4 years ago
Reply to  A Heretic

The ONLY sensible option was to do NOTHING, just like Sweden. No-one would have been any the wiser without all the bullshit because Covid19 has a mortality rate in line with regular flu, even if you believe all the crap about a new virus, all you are left with is a low mortality rate virus. These things don’t even register with most people BECAUSE THEY HAVE AN IMMUNE SYSTEM – THAT’S WHAT THE IMMUNE SYSTEM IS FOR. GOD HAS GOT THIS COVERED. IT SAYS COVID IS A NOTHING BURGER ON THE GOVERNMENT’S OWN WEBSITE AND HAS DONE SINCE BEFORE THE 1ST LOCKDOWN: High consequence infectious diseases (HCID)Status of COVID-19 https://www.gov.uk/guidance/high-consequence-infectious-diseases-hcid#status-of-covid-19 As of 19 March 2020, COVID-19 is no longer considered to be a high consequence infectious disease (HCID) in the UK. Now that more is known about COVID-19, the public health bodies in the UK have reviewed the most up to date information about COVID-19 against the UK HCID criteria. They have determined that several features have now changed; in particular, more information is available about mortality rates (low overall) What kind of sceptic believes the world must be turned on its head because of a low mortality rate virus?… Read more »

TheFascistCoronaFraud
TheFascistCoronaFraud
4 years ago

Here is a good article to appreciate the depths of the deceit and the lows they sunk to to facilitate this criminal agenda. It is a but dated now in parts but it is a very good piece of research which exposed the criminal death counting system for what it is – a total fraud.

COVID 19 Is A Statistical Nonsense
https://in-this-together.com/covid-19-is-a-statistical-nonsense/

This article from the same author compliments it very well.

COVID 19 – The UK Scamdemic – Part 2
https://in-this-together.com/covid-19-the-uk-scamdemic-part-2/

Judy Watson
Judy Watson
4 years ago

Hiya Fraud well said and succinctly put but unfortunately the MSM will not/cannot take this on board due to to the lack of investigative journalism

chris c
chris c
4 years ago

Spot on!

Mark
4 years ago

The third, and in my view most troubling, is the implication that freedom itself is selfish. 

The idea that dissent from collectivism is “selfish” has been the essence of the socialist argument against those resisting its advance throughout the latter half of the C20th. Anyone who questioned the sensibleness of have the state take charge of healthcare, or of spending ever greater amounts on the state healthcare bureaucracy, was routinely accused of being selfish.

It was also the essence of the hysterical lies that drove reason out of the public sphere in early 2020 – that those who wanted to adopt the established response of waiting for natural herd immunity were “selfish” people who wanted to put money ahead of lives, that those who didn’t think the supposed well-being of the state healthcare bureaucracy should trump basic rights were “selfish”, that those who didn’t agree that this fairly unremarkable respiratory virus required a panic response were “selfish” because they didn’t see the need to put everyone in lockdown in order to supposedly protect a supposedly vulnerable minority from having to lock themselves down.

The former led smoothly on to the latter.

isobar
4 years ago

This guy does not ‘sit on SAGE’ as such. He is simply a member of the behavioral insights sub-group that feeds into SAGE.

See: https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/scientific-advisory-group-for-emergencies-sage-coronavirus-covid-19-response-membership/list-of-participants-of-sage-and-related-sub-groups#scientific-pandemic-insights-group-on-behaviours-spi-b.

But he does sit on ‘Independent Sage’ and we all know where their political leanings lie.

Occams Pangolin Pie
4 years ago

Am I the only one who detects a certain nervousness from these ‘fear merchant’ psychologists?

They are right to fear being edged out into the cold, as pragmatic reasonable voices begin to be heard, and the ‘we’ thing pseudo-Marxist technocrats and their deluded flu kids (I was trying to write ‘flunkies’ but auto text did something nice with flu kids) may have to slink back into their boxes once again, until the final loosening of the lid of jar no 2 at Porton Down.

Cecil B
Cecil B
4 years ago

Up vote for ‘flu kids’

ellie-em
4 years ago

The more fear ‘they‘ have the better. Gut wrenching, vomit inducing, total paralysis fear to the nth degree. Time and time again.
For a start.

eastender53
4 years ago
Reply to  ellie-em

Visions of meat hooks and piano wire.

ellie-em
4 years ago
Reply to  eastender53

Whilst that’s a comforting thought, I think it’s poetic justice that it should be psychologically based – a taste of their own bitter medicine.

Cecil B
Cecil B
4 years ago

Off subject but I just broke out in a cold sweat

Thoughts of Dilyn crashed against the inside of my frontal lobes

The parallels are becoming disturbing

Towards the end they both sacked their generals and blamed it on them

Both married their ever so younger mistresses

Now he has started awarding medals

The last known film footage of Hitler was him pinning Iron Crosses on 13 year olds outside the Reich Chancellery

So who is the cyanide pill going to be tested on?

Free Dilyn, free him now

TheFascistCoronaFraud
TheFascistCoronaFraud
4 years ago
Reply to  Cecil B

I didn’t realise it was magic mushroom season already

peter charles
peter charles
4 years ago

A timely reminder of a point in this piece that I had forgotten. It is not whether lockdowns work or not (evidence points to that they don’t), it is that lockdowns treat us like children who, without stiff penalties, will act irresponsibly. Sweden (our hero) has shown the way a government should respect its citizens.

Moist Von Lipwig
4 years ago
Reply to  peter charles

It is that lockdown says you don’t own your own life, that you belong to the state.

Hopeless
4 years ago

That’s what now seems to be the case with the wretched NHS, which I suppose we should now call NHS GC, as we used to Malta.

LMS2
4 years ago
Reply to  peter charles

So has South Dakota, and from last summer, Florida.

Neither governor is a commie-apologiser Democrat, but Republicans.

Steve Green
Steve Green
4 years ago

Governments love to drag people onto sinking ships and then tell us “We’re all in this together”. https://www.minds.com/steveghostwords/

realarthurdent
4 years ago

In my experience of lockdown zealots, the reality is the precise opposite of what Stephen Reicher contends.

The lockdown zealots I know are:

  • comfortably off
  • middle class
  • either retired or able to work from home easily
  • don’t have school age children
  • have their own gardens
  • work in the public sector or in other sectors reliant on government/taxpayer spending
  • perfectly comfortable to be “locked down” for lengthy periods

In short, their attitude is “I’m alright Jack”. They don’t care about those who are not protected by government furlough rules, don’t give a toss about small business (they shop at amazon and Ocado), don’t give a toss about parents struggling to homeschool their kids, don’t give a toss about people who live in small flats without gardens, don’t give a toss about people in the private sector, and don’t give a toss about people who are ill with anything other than COVID-19.

Sadly this includes a lot of my friends and some of my family. I have had it with them.

eastender53
4 years ago
Reply to  realarthurdent

100% correct. For many this disaster (lockdown, not WuFlu) has been an extended holiday, complete with time to bake banana bread or take up yoga. If it really is a ‘we’ culture it should be relatively simple and of course popular to levy a special tax on these people, in the interests of helping those who have been impacted. Somehow I think ‘we’ would end right there!

Hugh
Hugh
4 years ago
Reply to  eastender53

If it is really ‘we’, we wouldn’t be having a lot of restrictions that are killing poor people in Africa. (A bit suspicious, that death of that politician in Tanzania, wasn’t it?)

Mr_Human
4 years ago

The push to erode all sense of individualism should send chills down the spine of anyone who values independent thought and self respect. The fanatical zealot-like enthusiasm for collectivism, herd mentality and groupthink goes beyond *this* jab.

The greater good guilt-inducing peer pressure forms touted by this Govt and indeed their fellow Govt peers within the rapid response common narrative (G7) leads to dark places. Incremental and barely perceptible until our friends, colleagues, neighbours and even our own families demonise any non-state-approved wrongthink.

The real agenda is seeding in the public consciousness that conformity and obedience supersedes bravery and critical thinking. The true goal is augmentation of the human race, transhumanism and total subservience. Call it out. We must pushback.

X - In Search of Space
X - In Search of Space
4 years ago
Reply to  Mr_Human

Exactly!

Julian
4 years ago

There may be circumstances in which a serious public emergency will trump even that consideration (and one individual’s rights can be limited by another individual’s competing rights, of course). But that situation has to be extremely rare. And we are certainly not in such a situation now that all of the vulnerable have been double-jabbed and almost all other adults at least partially vaccinated. “

No, there can be no such circumstances because governments cannot be trusted to define what is a serious public emergency. We know that for sure now. And as for people being double, triple or partially jabbed, what has that got to do with anything? Covid was never an emergency, lockdowns cannot be justified even for a short time, let alone the time it takes to develop vaccines of uncertain safety and efficacy.

Sorry, not impressed with this argument at all. Far too defensive, conceding too much.

Mark
4 years ago
Reply to  Julian

No, there can be no such circumstances because governments cannot be trusted to define what is a serious public emergency.

This is probably a truth of general application, but certainly in the case of health policy, it seems to me incontestable now that the costs of allowing even the theoretical possibility of an “emergency” justifying suspension of basic rights by government are much too high for it to be adopted.

We should have laws specifically forbidding such emergency actions, based on the axiomatic presumption that if a genuine health emergency were ever to arise it would be easy to persuade enough of the people to act as necessary in response.

A false “emergency” we know can happen and result in catastrophic costs – we are living through an example of it, still. A genuine emergency might or might not be possible, but if it were to arise then we could change the laws or ignore them. Having the laws prohibiting emergency powers in place would at least make the fake “emergencies” a bit less easy.

SweetBabyCheeses
4 years ago
Reply to  Julian

I was assuming they meant stuff like in WWII when it was illegal not to have blackout blinds (I presume, but maybe it was guidance?)

I’m sure there were some similar laws that probably saved some lives but I recognise that people were still fed some absolute bs propaganda eg making people donate their aluminium cooking pans so that they could supposedly be recycled into planes.

Ross Hendry
4 years ago

Bloody right Toby. How many more arrogant ar**holes are there on SAGE, for crying out loud?

If BJ had any sense he’d disband this ghastly mob immediately, they will scupper his chances of staying on as PM. (Maybe that’s their aim.)

JayBee
4 years ago

It’s also quite telling that for Covidians like Reicher, the ‘we’ always excludes the collateral damaged, above all the 120 million people our Western Lockdowns will eventually have killed in the 3rd World, of which about
5 million then go on Britain’s, and first and foremost on people like him, account.

Monro
4 years ago
Reply to  JayBee

Hospital clearances of the elderly and infirm, our most vulnerable citizens. 18562 died.

BJs Brain is Missing
4 years ago

People like Reicher should be nowhere near the reins of power. In fact, who voted him into power and with the supposed authority to be able to tell people what to do? No doubt he’s best mates with the other communists on SAGE…

It’s not hard to see why this country has been paralysed for the past 18 months and many people are still very frightened.

JayBee
4 years ago

It is what Essfeld, Ruechel and others already stated: the revival of utilitarianism, in whose name all major atrocities and infringements upon individual rights and liberties have been committed in the past, under the guise of neo-Marxist or neo-fascist policies like CRT, Covid restrictions, vaccine/test/mask mandates and climate change, at the expense of these inalienable individual rights and that concept, which were of course introduced in response to those atrocities committed in the name of utilitarianism.
Sadly, the people have been brainwashed into accepting that shift and not seeing its dangers anymore over the last few decades by people marching through the institutions like him, people who think only they know and that best but hereby only prove that they really detest other human beings, and who are now ready to execute their agendas.

Lucan Grey
4 years ago

Reicher et al can invest in FFP3 masks and Hazmat suits. Then they don’t have to rely upon everybody else “following the rules” so precisely.

Unless of course “following the rules” is what they are really interested in, with them making the rules obvs.

You cannot reason with the perennially petrified, nor the authoritarian mindset.

tom171uk
4 years ago

Reicher of the Reich. What a wicked fucker that man is!

BJs Brain is Missing
4 years ago
Reply to  tom171uk

Surely you mean Fokker?

tom171uk
4 years ago

Or Kunt!

Chris Twitty
Chris Twitty
4 years ago

SAGE needs to be disbanded immediately. Simply isn’t fit for purpose, who the fuck appoints these people? It’s about time we had some proper grown ups in government who can make proper decisions without relying on these creepy bastards.

Prester John
Prester John
4 years ago

Stephen Reicher, ‘Third’ to his mates.

Chris Twitty
Chris Twitty
4 years ago
Reply to  Prester John

Spat my tea out!! 🙂

Annie
4 years ago

Now that’s the sort of thing we used to get regularly on LDS. Reasoned scepticism. Philosophical coherence. Welcome back. Please stick around.
As for the salvation wrought by double-jib-jab – the jury is still out.

David101
4 years ago

He’s right about one thing, actually: You can’t compare this to the flu, as the flu is now about 5 times more likely to kill you than Covid is! In any case, Javid is not comparing it to the flu, simply stating that we have to live with this endemic virus (that ain’t going anywhere), just as we co-exist with other pathogens.
But somebody was bound to do this, weren’t they?

Does he think that school-age children should continue to breathe in dangerous levels of CO2 to protect elderly people?

How fitting his name is REICHer!

Noumenon
4 years ago
Reply to  David101

He’s a Third Reich psychologist.