Quarantine to End for Double-Jabbed Brits within Weeks
The Government has all but confirmed plans to end the requirement for fully vaccinated Brits to quarantine after coming into contact with a person who has tested positive for Covid. Ministers are concerned that some people could “game” the system, but are set to announce that the rules will change within weeks nevertheless. The Times has the story.
In the clearest sign yet of ministers’ plans to replace virus restrictions with a focus on personal responsibility, they intend to drop all legal requirements on those who have had both jabs if they encounter a confirmed case.
Despite acknowledging that unvaccinated people may also start ignoring quarantine rules and could “game” the system, ministers want to introduce the proposals next month.
Official estimates suggest that infections will increase by as much as 26% under the plans but the Government is likely to accept the risk to avoid further disruption to businesses, schools and public services. The change would bring England into line with other countries such as the U.S. and Germany. …
It is understood that at a meeting of the Covid operations committee on Monday ministers are expected to sign off a plan that will mean the fully vaccinated will be “advised” to take daily tests but not be required to do so.
Cabinet members believe that changing the system could allow them to focus financial support on people who test positive, after repeated complaints that infectious people and their contacts were not isolating properly because of a lack of compensation.
However, Government scientific advisers have warned that most people will refuse to take daily tests and that the change will mean compliance with quarantine guidance will go “out the window”.
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However, Government scientific advisers have warned that most people will refuse to take daily tests and that the change will mean compliance with quarantine guidance will go “out the window”.
That’d be good.
Unfortunately, it will not go out the window. There will be creeping enforcement via sanctions ultimately leading to internment and execution. It will take a very few years to get there. They will not tolerate disobedience. Can’t happen here? Just watch. Soon the supply lines will be cut in cyber attacks for the next wave of fear designed to drive compliance.
This is not about healthcare.
I suppose the only event to look forward to, to rid the world of this evil madness, is that someone does press the button, annihilate everything and let the world and life start again.
No, President Trump returning to the White House to take his rightful place will suffice. The variants will magically disappear.
No big deal as I never hang around with people who are stupid enough to get tested
Yep – gets a bit lonely though!
But if you say there were always plans for vaccine passports you’re a conspiracy theorist.
‘a meeting of the Covid operations committee ‘
Bet that was a bundle of laughs
Perhaps Gove’s new missus will give him a dose.
People are already gaming the system. Florida, Texas and South Dakota have not seen 26% increases in infections and we won’t either. Just the same old, same old scaremongering which has always proved to be wrong
Well – the sensible bet is always the opposite of what comes out of SAGE.
Well I don’t have a smartphone, don’t have the app, wouldn’t have the app, will therefore never get pinged and will take my very good chances with a lemsip and a good book by Ivor McTinn.
Why is aspirin not stocked more prominently in supermarkets etc.? It’s all paracetamol and ibuprofen, ain’t it?
Blood thinner anyone?
Yep! I almost gave way to annoyance until I realised that, not having the app and never having taken a test, all this affects me not one jot.
I’ve not got the app nor have I ever taken a test, but if you’re a member of a club or you book somewhere and give your mobile number, or your workplace has your mobile number, they might choose to share that with Track & Trace. I’ve blocked the numbers they use to contact you.
A young relative of mine recently got tracked and traced. She has no idea where they got her number from as she doesn’t give it, apart from a trusted few, and she has no idea who was the contact that got her flagged. She’s a sensible girl and ignored both calls – she simply cannot afford to isolate for no reason for ten days. After only two attempts they gave up. Another less fortunate relative was ordered by university authorities to isolate for the last ten days of his first year at college. His dickhead housemate decided to take a test and reported the positive test to the university. Needless to say, they are no longer friends. (He’s been sneaking out for exercise frequently though – but his mental health has taken a plummet. God damn them all.)
Is there a standard list of numbers to ignore- or is it just a case of ignoring any number I don’t recognise?
The ‘fully’ double injected soon to be triple injected (with a flu shot in the other arm to boot) can be let off from quarantine / self isolation but the dirty, bothersome uninjected must quarantine. Is that right?
But how soon will the novelty of getting injected again and again wear off, especially in the under 65s? My guess is that in the next 2 years, this whole scam will fall flat on its face. Vaccine passports will go out of date quickly if a booster shot is required every 6 months of so. The nhs won’t be able to keep up. People will be sick of side effects, they’ll still have to self-isolate when they test positive for something they thought they couldn’t catch, and they’ll be worried about stories of previously healthy people (including friends and family) dropping dead or losing their eyesight or being paralysed etc etc etc. Yep, my best guess is 2 years tops, and I’m more than happy to wait it out and watch the madness from the sideline.
Man almost Died from 1st Shot – Took 2nd One and DiedIdiot Almost Died from 1st Shot – Took 2nd One and Died / Update on Police Killing in Gothenburg – YouTube
If he’d just eaten fish tank cleaner he could’ve saved everyone hassle.
But how soon will the novelty of getting injected again and again wear off, especially in the under 65s?
Millions of us are of an age where are used to having the flu shot each year, plus others that come up as one-offs e.g. pneumonia, shingles. It doesn’t cause a problem and is much appreciated. I don’t see why it would concern younger people to do the same. (Especially if they can do flu and covid at the same time).
Those vaccines are still once in a blue moon in comparison with this nonsense and a hell of a lot safer.
It will very quickly dawn on people if over two years they are ill all the time after taking vaccines and they witness serious affects in others.
Those vaccines are still once in a blue moon in comparison with this nonsense and a hell of a lot safer
Flu shots are once a year. I imagine Covid shots will be the same once all this has settled down.
It will very quickly dawn on people if over two years they are ill all the time after taking vaccines and they witness serious affects in others
What proportion of people do you think will be “ill all the time”?
Doh! — nobody knows, dipstick!
Trying to constantly ‘normalise’ the experimental gene therapy with vaccines that have been fully evaluated and tested hasn’t worked on here yet has it? But good to know the bots are still being employed.
I am not so naïve as to suppose I am going to win any converts on this forum. But I learn a lot. Talking of which:
“experimental” I can understand – the phase 3 trials are not complete and all that;
“gene” – just about – the mRNA and adenovirus vaccines work by simulating aspects of the expression of genes;
but how come “therapy”? A therapy is an intervention to relieve or cure an existing disorder -not to prevent it.
I guess “experimental gene prophylaxis” doesn’t have the same ring to it 🙂
Therapy can also mean something ‘intended’ to heal, I also like the fact that therapy is used to treat mental disorders. So experimental gene quasi therapy works for me.
Either way my point is you constantly try to psychologically nudge and normalise the vaxx, even by saying you will go for your booster like the flu booster, as if they are similar or the same. They are not.
The vaxx only has emergency use authorisation which can’t last forever (I sincerely hope) and it hasn’t been licensed anywhere in the world yet has it?
Well “intended to heal” is not the same as preventing infection in the first place. However, enough of nit-picking.
Pfizer is approved in: Bahrain, Brazil, New Zealand, Saudi Arabia, and Switzerland.
Moderna is approved in Switzerland.
AZ is approved in Brazil.
Of course all three are approved for emergency use in countless countries.
That’s what I said! Approved under emergency use authorisation!
So not licensed yet, which can only happen after the current trials are completed, if it gets licensed at all.
Full license in the countries I listed. Emergency in the others.
BRAZILLast Updated 2 July 2021.
7 Vaccines Approved for Use in Brazil
Four vaccines are currently approved for use in the EU: Pfizer-BioNTech, Moderna, AstraZeneca and Johnson & Johnson.
Bahrain becomes second country to approve Pfizer COVID-19 vaccineBahrain approves AstraZeneca-Oxford COVID vaccine
Covid vaccines are not licensed anywhere, only approved under emergency authorisation.
Moderna Covid vaccine approved for use in SwitzerlandThe Pfizer vaccine has been provisionally approved (with conditions) for use in New Zealand.
Saudi Arabia approved use of the Covid-19 vaccine developed by Oxford University and AstraZeneca Plc, boosting its inoculation drive as a government minister laid out plans for a significant acceleration.
So That’s me done. You are a vaccine bot, nothing more, nothing less.
I am truly confused by your comments. You list some of the countries that have approved some of the vaccines and claim Covid vaccines are not licensed anywhere, only approved under emergency authorisation. Which is it?
Young people don’t need the flu jab either. Governments should be encouraging people to take more responsibility for their health, not act like prostitutes for big pharma.
Ive realised out of this that the whole flu shot thing is a scam too. Behavioural conditioning over decades.
Wow – are there any vaccines you think are not a scam?
The other vaccines aren’t responsible for 1,500 deaths annually.
It’s not a year since they started forcing these monstrous gene therapy treatments on us is it? You’re also forgetting the thousands of other deaths in Europe and the USA.
All part of the continuing psy-ops, which I believe is faltering. The fact is track and trace has never been fit for purpose, other than enriching the providers and their pals. We know that estimates of around 30% of people contacted don’t ‘fully’ isolate for the recommended period. That’s before we get to the millions of people who never get contacted in the first place.
Most people in the UK have never used track and trace and have never isolated, it’s another conflated story from the lying MSM, meant to make us think everyone’s doing it, they’re not. Remember 600 million ‘missing’ or unused LFT’s?
It is wearing off for a lot of people, quite a few I know have done the first but haven’t done the second, others who have done both feel aggrieved and stupid and won’t get a booster. The longer it goes on the more people have realised it hasn’t ‘set them free’ in any useful way, nor will it.
“The nhs won’t be able to keep up.”
This is where the private companies come in. Where there’s lots of money to be made, there’s a way. Not long before the police are run by Serco or G4S.
The government are authorising hundreds more pharmacies to be involved in the injection roll out. Another lucrative byline.
The irony, the taxpayers will be paying the pharma purveyors to offload the dubious c**p into those who come forward and offer their arms in the service of Queen and country.
Even Tesco is doing them in my town!
Ah, but the government haven’t played their ace yet – the new Lambda ‘variant’ which has learned to dodge the ‘vaccine’! Could this be the one that brings back full lockdown in autumn along with the next generation of booster jabs?
Yeap it’s coming. Then all the fools who gambled with their lives and long term health by taking the experimental gene therapy will be wonder what it was all for as they find themselves locked up at home again.
Not just that.
The Swiss doctor thinks that Lambda could result in that dreaded ADE, for the vaxxed only.
The sooner the better, I’d say.
https://swprs.org/why-covid-19-is-a-strange-pandemic/
Advocating further vaccination is basically advancing and confirming suspicions about the eugenicist agenda then.
Yes do hurry especially those smug twats at Wimbledon should get clotted asap!
I’m not inoculated (it’s not a vaccine) and won’t quarantine, this is assuming they can contact me.
I understand that Israel, the most “vaccinated” country in the world is now going back to wearing masks (even though they are useless).
The sad fact is that no lessons are being learnt anywhere. Israel are now talking about vaxxing the the very young, because they are to blame for the rising cases! This is why Tim Spector from the Zoe app thinks kids here should be jabd.
Not the fact that the vaccine is very likely either useless or after a few months loses all efficacy!
…or contributes to the rising ‘cases’…
I’m not inoculated (it’s not a vaccine)
I am always intrigued by this. I guess it all comes to definitions in the end but if I Google the definition I get:
a substance used to stimulate the production of antibodies and provide immunity against one or several diseases, prepared from the causative agent of a disease, its products, or a synthetic substitute, treated to act as an antigen without inducing the disease.
It seems to me all the products in use in the UK meet this definition.
I thought it claimed to mitigate the effects so it is less likely to cause death or serious illness. Is that the same as immunity?
Yes. It is a consequence of immunity. Is the claim that they are not vaccines based on the lack of efficacy or on the methods they use?
If you’re immune to something (in your definition which would include you having mild symptoms) then can you still pass it on to others?
I don’t see why not. You are just less likely to.
Are you arguing that it is not a vaccine because it is less than 100% effective and sometimes just reduces the symptoms rather than preventing infection? If so, there are hardly any vaccines in the world.
I always interpreted immunity as you were completely unaffected by something, and therefore could not pass it on. Perhaps no vaccine is quite that effective, but I think some are close. The covid ones seem a long way off.
If it was clearer what they did and did not achieve, and this was communicated to people, along with other facts such as trials are still ongoing, it wasn’t tested on the very vulnerable on whom it was used with possibly undesirable results, and for most people covid isn’t that dangerous, and that taking it or not would make no difference to your future status regarding travel or employment, I wonder whether the takeup would be so high.
That’s another question. We were discussing whether the various products can legitimately be called “vaccines”. So far I haven’t seen a remotely plausible reason why they are not vaccines. It just seems to be a sort of campaign slogan.
Well, in the minds of the public vaccines confer immunity and my understanding of that word, which I would guess to be typical, is that you simply won’t “contract” whatever you have been “immunised” against and cannot pass it on. That doesn’t seem to be the case with covid vaccines. They are vaccines that don’t work very well I suppose. I think most people just assume that if you’re jabbed it’s job done. Perhaps they have been oversold.
So the reason for not calling them vaccines is based on a perceived lack of effectiveness? On the same criterion we should stop calling the flu vaccine a vaccine. What shall we call these treatments that help protect you from disease by preparing your immune system but are not 100% effective? Paravaccines perhaps?
Well, maybe you should look up the patent applications of Pfizer and Moderna – they describe their jabs as gene therapy.
Can you provide a link? There are many patent applications relating to these companies and Covid vaccinations.
Taking everything we are being told officially as gospel, the reality is that the absolute vast majority of people are naturally immune. Natural immunity is superior to vaxx immunity – it is lifelong immunity, and it is complete immunity. It is also perfectly balanced for the individual’s body. It is God created, as opposed to being created by say Pfizer, which has one of the worst criminal records of any company in the histroy fo the world. I’ll take God’s immunty, thank you very much.
C19 jabs only give immunity to the Wuhan spike protein. The misleaders are now encouraging the victims who have been misled into taking this shite that they now need boosters and that the immunity only lasts about 6 months. This is being messaged via the MSM.
The C19 vaxxs are LEAKY vaccines not STERILISING vaccines. They do not work by definition. Here you are again MTF, spreading lies and blatant misinformation. Why?
Here you are again MTF, spreading lies and blatant misinformation. Why?
If you look at my comments above you will see they are a tentative enquiry into what counts as a vaccine. I don’t see how that can possibly count as lies or blatant misinformation.
More broadly – I don’t write anything believing it to be false. No doubt I make errors, who doesn’t, but what would the point in writing deliberate falsehoods?
It doesnt give you immunity
I heard a good one yesterday. I friend is isolating as his wife who caught it last year and has had both jabs is isolating as she’s been in contact with somebody who’s tested positive. A special kind of stupid springs to mind.
(Sigh) I hear this all the time, and its the way they proudly announce it too! Like a badge of bloody honour. Or when people tell you with that hushed voice of wonderment and awe, that they know someone that has got coroni because they tested positive or something.🙄
“Despite acknowledging that unvaccinated people may also start ignoring quarantine rules and could “game” the system, ministers want to introduce the proposals next month.”
Er… sorry, what?
I’ve never self-isolated. I’ve never downloaded the NHS crApp. I’ve never got tested, let alone daily. I’ve never had the “vaccine” and never will.
“replace virus restrictions with a focus on personal responsibility,”
This is the sinister part. It’s an invitation to institutions (such as my employer, for example) to solidify “personal responsibility” into institutional policies, so as to look virtuous, or because their more bedwetting employees/participants have to fEeL sAfE.
First jab, then a booster, followed by another booster, I’ll bet thats not in the instruction manual, looks very experi-mental to me..Accompanied by the full menu of variants. How bleedin’ obvious has this all got to be before fully developed humans wake up?..(I know…stoopid question)
No quarantine for double vaccinated … but this is a vaccine that does not guarantee that you cannot still get or spread the virus – they are even now discovering that those cases of the new variants have all had the vaccine – so basically the double vaccinated can still be spreading the virus and all the other variants without knowing it because they think they’re fully protected now they’ve been double jabbed when they’re not protected at all.
We are being mugged off by the lunatics in government. There needs to be civil unrest if we don’t end all restrictions on 19th July, and never to return.
The entire cabinet should be prosecuted for genocide.
That’s what they said about June 21st.
So will we have Stasi on street corners checking papers or a badge for those dumb enough to have been stabbed twice?
The problem is that any despotic regime is generally administered by uneducated minimum wagers, who revel in their power over their fellow citizens because they otherwise have no means of gaining higher social status. You can guarantee they will persecute those who do not comply.
We’ve already got the Kapo Covid Marshalls on extended employment contracts. They’ll (goose) step into that role.
Already have Mitie snitches. And ‘Covid Marshalls’. I think they should be named, their addresses given out, and photos of them plastered all over the place.
https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/world-economic-forum-proposes-psychological-plan-to-overcome-vaccine-hesitancy
It’s officially all about marketing now, not about medicine or health….
“The three authors suggested a form of emotional fear-mongering to be used against “vaccine sceptics.” “Another way to improve vaccine sceptics’ feelings is to play into a fear of missing out (FOMO), both socially and economically,” wrote the group.”
That’s fine. The social and economic world they offer is shite anyway. I don’t do “masked” balls (unless the mask is over the eyes and physical contact is encouraged) and I don’t play their shitty lotteries.
I can see the reasoning, but this has the effect of vaccine coercion, including in the workplace. It would be far more reasonable and effective to make it very simple:
“If symptomatic, isolate until you are well or have a negative test.”
“If you’re asymptomatic, get on with your life.”
Secondary transmission, even when symptomatic is low. Even if you share a bed it is around 1/3, and 1/6 if you share a house. Asymptomatic transmission is VERY rare – around 0.7%. Also, it’s entirely possible that 0.7% caught covid elsewhere as the study was done when prevalence was high. So asymptomatic people are not a risk from fleeting contacts in workplaces, shops, pubs etc. We have never treated asymptomatic people like lepers in the past regardless of vaccination status and there is no justification to start now.
“Fully vaccinated” A beloved phrase of the covidians, sadly adopted like so much of the newspeak by LS.
But there are boosters coming, so at what point do people who were “fully vaccinated” become non-fully-vaccinated because they have not had their boosters yet. It will be like painting the Forth Bridge – when you’ve finished it will be time to start again. There will NEVER be a time when everyone is “fully vaccinated”.
If you were going to invent a means of endless control, it would look a lot like this.
Does anyone have any thoughts when the first lawsuit will happen for discrimination?
Surely there has to be one? Someone is going to be prevented from doing something because they haven’t been jabbed when a jabbed person is free to do it at some point and bring a lawsuit for discrimination / constructive dismissal etc aren’t they?
Or has all anti-discrimination legislation been thrown out if the window? In which case are people dusting off their ‘No blacks, no dogs, no Irish’ signs?
This government seems to have trashed our Human Rights as well as International Law but do not care, such is their arrogance.
I think there have already been a certain number of cases under the discrimination act, which have been settled outside court to minimise the expenses etc. Not much publication of such things; what a surprise that is. https://disabilityrights.org.uk/first-face-mask-discrimination-case-nets-7-000 Firms like that will be looking into it, you’d have thought.
The introduction of the yellow star system commences.
Why can so few see the danger and where this ends?
Most people don’t think, they react.
Some people don’t think.
I wonder what would have happened if they had tried to fight pneumonia instead of Covid?
I bet the results would have been the same. Mass testing would have found it everywhere. People would have died within 28 days of a positive test. People would have gotten it more than once according to the tests. I reckon the virus is everywhere and it can certainly get up your nose now and again. This is only a problem if your immune system is weak, such as at the end of your life. For most it isnt a problem.
Trying to get rid of covid or pneumonia is an exercise in futility. Any measure you could take is stupid. And so it has been with covid, every government measure has been costly and pointless. No lives have been saved but many have been lost and we have made ourselves massively poorer on this wild goose chase. It is a pity that people are waking up so very slowly. At least they are of course, but so much life and lives have been wasted chasing an impossible goal.
Stop worrying and let our immune systems deal with it.
There are existing pneumonia vaccines, tested and effective, once only. Offered to us oldies. I had mine in August 2019 before vaccines became fashionable.
From the NHS “The pneumococcal vaccine given to older children and adults is thought to be around 50 to 70% effective at preventing pneumococcal disease.”
And then think what could have been achieved by spending the trillions globally that have been spent on going backwards on treatable illnesses like cancer, and when covidians call you uncaring, throw that in their faces. Can anyone seriously argue that if you wanted to save lives through extra spending then what we’ve done was the best way to do it?
That is one of the saddest things, the lost opportunities to make a real difference in identifying and treating real diseases and real illnesses.
There are many treatments and screening programs and interventions that we 100% know to be effective and that will save lives and improve lives that are currently rationed because we’ve chosen to spend the money on other things. If you were going to re-prioritise healthcare, at least do it properly so it works, don’t just pretend.
Let’s spend these £3.5billion per WEEK on the NHS instead…
Not that it deserves it anymore, but that is the lowballed figure of the wasted money for testing we’re at now.
You are so right about the immune system. I have no doubt that the NHS could save large amounts of money simply by introducing a regime that improves immune system effectiveness. Many people recommend vitamin D and there appears to be plenty of evidence supporting it.
Purely anecdotally, I have been taking it for over 12 months now and recently had my annual MOT (I am 75). All my measurements for body function (kidney, liver, heart etc) have improved significantly over the course of a year after regular slow decline and during a trip to the dentist last week for a 3 month hygiene my gum health had improved to such an extent that the hygienist insisted on showing me graphically just how big the improvement was.
There have been some minor tweaks to their recommendations recently along those lines. E.g. the recommended daily supplementary intake of vit D has been doubled (and in German ones it’s double again, so quadrupled from our old recommendation). So, 5 – 10 – 20 units; take your pick.
The Vaccine Business
Money Vs. Science – YouTube
About 2 minutes in. Worth a listen.
The population are literally just dairy cows to the pharmaceutical companies and the governments treasury department to be milked as often as possible!
Sorry, “game” the system? What, you mean, be healthy, walk around, socialise, live life normally without downloading the government’s tracking app, strapping a filthy rag to your face and declining to be injected with an experimental gene therapy. Oh, right, I see what they mean, “game” the system.
I’ve just noticed that they essentially admit it’s a system, not a pandemic…
Found this over at American Thinker …
A website has been set up that shows videos from people sharing their stories about side effects from the vaccine jabs.
Watch for yourself and make up your own mind. Determine for yourself if these stories are fakes or real. Then ask yourself and your friends, “Is it worth it to risk life-changing and even fatal side effects from a vaccine for a disease that is survived by 99.98% of people under 70?”
1000 COVID Stories
https://1000covidstories.com/
It’s upsetting to see so many people’s lives ruined.
I’m not a health professional but a lot of these sound like blood clots and minor strokes (the ones that aren’t major that is).
Completely the wrong way round. As the double/triple-jabbed can still get covid, and still spread it, but with reduced/no visible symptoms, shouldn’t they be the ones who are tested and isolated? A non-jabbed person will get a cough/temperature and will know to stay home. The jabbed will just be out, spreading variants.
Acting as the devil’s advocate, it’s worth noting that the leaflets promoting it’s use explicitly say that they do not know if it has any effect on catching the bug or the likelihood of transmitting it to a third party. In effect, it is not a ‘real’ vaccine at all, rather a ‘mitigation drug’ for the vulnerable.
….if the leaflets do say that then government policy is bogus re travel abroad…and in many other areas,,of course.
I’ve never been jabbed and never will be.
I’ve never been tested and never will be.
I’ve never been in quarantine and never will be.
I’m exempt from wearing a useless mask.
I’ve never downloaded the ‘app’ and never will.
I’ve never had symptons, but if I do, then I won’t self isolate, because
a) I can’t (have to go get food)
b) need to help spread the virus to build up immunity in the population and help it mutate into something less serious
c) if I did isolate it wouldn’t make the virus disappear anyway (look at what has happened since last year with all the lockdowns!)
d) I have a human right to go outside.
The real sad thing is a great opportunity was missed in early lockdown last year when a window for health education encouraging people to improve their natural immunity and health was not utilised.
Of course that was far too sensible and logical.
And purposeful. I can think of no time during this pantomime where reassurance and wholesome health education has been forthcoming.
“Double Jabbed Brits”…
Yet again Mr Curzon goes that extra mile to echo the demonstrably false “vaccines make you free, we’re all in this together, Brits are marvellous, and so are our Doctors” narrative.
Neil Oliver has come out with a strong piece against vaxing kids on GB news today. Not sure how long this will last on YT but much of what he says is relevant to adults and their freedom of choice about vax as well as his outright opposition to jabbing kids
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GgzhqsIXr10
A fantastic thing to watch! Says exactly what we are all thinking, those of who are human that is. If only one person had this passion for what is good and right in the useless amoral stew of ‘Government’.