Professor Tim Spector Calls for Vaccination of Children ‘Because Delta Variant’
King’s College London Professor of Genetics Tim Spector dismayed many of his Twitter followers yesterday by calling for the vaccination of older children. The reason? Because the Delta (Indian) variant means we now need 85% of the population vaccinated to reach herd immunity, he claims.
Professor Spector, who leads the ZOE Covid symptom study, was replying on Twitter to Israeli scientist Eran Segal, who tweeted: “Before Delta, Israel reached herd immunity or close to it. To regain herd immunity, we need to vaccinate as many of the 1.2 million over the age of 12 who have not yet been vaccinated.”
Spector wrote: “In the U.K. with delta we need to get near 85% of the population – which also means vaccinating older children.”
In calling for this, Prof Spector appears not to be concerned about the worries of many scientists including members of the JCVI about the benefit-versus-risk balance for teenagers in having the vaccine, or the ethics of suggesting children should be given a vaccine with no long-term safety data not for their own benefit but for the benefit of others.
The notion that a threshold of herd immunity will only be reached if 85% of the population is vaccinated also bears no relationship to real-world data. It’s not entirely clear what Segal and Spector mean by herd immunity in these tweets, but if they mean that without an 85% vaccination rate the Delta variant will continue indefinitely to cause mass hospitalisations and deaths, then perhaps they would like to explain why India’s test positivity rate entered a sustained plummet nearly two months ago, despite the Delta variant being dominant and the country at that point having only 2.5% of its population fully vaccinated? (The figure now stands scarcely higher at 4.3%.)

While there was some reduction in mobility in the country around that time, that has largely recovered now without triggering a reversal of the trend.
Plainly, the decline of India’s Delta variant outbreak did not require 85% of the population to be vaccinated. Just as the decline of England’s Alpha variant outbreak in December did not require such a measure. The Alpha variant, having declined, also failed to resurge in England as restrictions were lifted.
There is in fact no evidence from anywhere that any variant of the virus requires 85% of a population or anything like it to be vaccinated in order to exhaust itself within a few weeks. Outbreaks involving new variants quickly enter decline without vaccinating anyone let alone almost the entire population.
A further point is that we’re already now experiencing the Delta variant surge in the U.K, such as it is, so it’s too late to vaccinate children to prevent it, assuming that were possible. If the idea then becomes to vaccinate children pre-emptively for the next variant surge, in order to prevent it (again, assuming that were possible), we have to ask why? Given that all the vulnerable are fully vaccinated, why worry about teenagers getting runny noses? In fact, exposure to pathogens while young and healthy is an important part of developing a robust immune system.
The Delta variant really is no kind of reason to vaccinate children.
Stop Press: According to the ZOE app’s latest daily report, symptomatic infections in people vaccinated with at least one dose are increasing about as fast as in unvaccinated people, albeit from a lower level. While the data on vaccine effectiveness against serious illness and death has been consistently encouraging, data on effectiveness against infection has been more mixed, and this latest data suggests some of the more optimistic estimates may be on the high side.

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Was that Spector or Spectre? I read somewhere that there were those wanting to reduce the UK population to 15%. So 85% for herd immunity then?
I was gonna make that joke. So many Bond villains revealing themselves and yet Bond is nowhere to be found
Don’t tell me – there’s “Alotta” them. Oh sorry, that’s Austin Powers…
What a c–t is all i can say in a rare display of foul language from me .The guys in showbiz surely ???
Yes those immune people will just have to go and the vaccines that the untrustworthy Spector is promoting will no doubt be tasked with that job. Imperial gets millions from Bill Gates and I do wonder how much he gives to King’s.
With the Epsilon variant we’ll need 90%.
With the Zeta variant we’ll need 100%
With the Eta variant we’ll need top-ups.
With the Theta variant we’ll need regular top-ups.
With the Iota variant we’ll need systematic coercion.
With the Kappa variant we’ll need mandatory vaccines.
With the Lambda variant we’ll get societal collapse.
Actually, big pharma corporations refer to them all as the Wonga variant
According to the news the Lambda variant has arrived just in time for “freedom” day.
This virus is smart but it obviously doesn’t do Greek very well.
What happens when they get through the Greek alphabet?
The Vaccines: Awesome Ingenuity or A Huge Mistake? – YouTube
Vaccines driving viral evolution.
It’s beginning to look like it.
They should have listened to Ian Malcolm – “life finds a way”. We all know how that turned out.
What’s the betting it’s the Pi variant that will be rolled out Jan 2022 as the Big One?
The pi variant won’t make an appearance until the 14th March 2022.
Then theres the loopy lumpy lala oh i cant remember its name its only pretend anyway
He revealed himself as controlled opposition when he came out against opening up on June 21st because of….Delta.
Total D1ck
Yes I used to think of him as one of the more intelligent idiots. No more, he’s just a mid-ranking idiot.
Quite – just uninstalled the app
Judas.
No other word fits this heresy.
There are so few of us to begin with. When people such as Spector desert the cause, it makes me baton down even more.
Lockdown is a tragic example of sheeple compliance to SW1 desires, and the latter in turn is an example of the bigger picture ie G7.
Go globalism. Go Greta. Go G7. Go EU.
Fuck………
He must have received some “funding”.
Get lost Spectre, child sacrifice is a vile practice.
Oh, and India’s reported “Covid” deaths are equivalent to less than 20,000 in the UK. And less than 5% “vaccinated”. Give the lies a rest.
yes but those startling facts only matter if the people who should be listening actaully listen .Alas they dont.. they can just say for example you bastards are never going to be free simply because we say so and you bastards will then simply obey dont blame governments ,media ,science panic or anything else .There are billions of people who are ruled by just a few thousand in reality, and all you do is complain Stay in lockdown foeever because you dont aspire to anything other than a meidocre Lemming existance that you are just about to be given
I’ve always had doubts about him, some niggle of unease about him and his pet ZOE. Seems I was right to trust my instincts.
Totally agree, I have never thought he was on-side from the beginning, just by small comments he has made throughout.
If we get to the fabled 85% and people still catch it, as they surely will, what then?
These creatures are the problem, not Covid, they are trying to stop the world from getting a cold and they will fail.
It’s time for new thinking (based on the Barrington Declaration old thinking) protect those who need it and leave the rest of us, especially kids, alone!
So one more immoral, venal specimen had added himself to the pile, so down he will have to go, like the rest.
I seem to remember UK Column raising concerns about his integrity quite a while ago
Yep I always thought he was a bit strange, don’t know something about him. Then the UK Column article came up and I stopped using his app which I admit I did use as it seemed a bit less hysterical than most platforms. Anyway, clearly the Man’s shown his colours. He’s not to be trusted. I have to agree with A Y M. Knob.
UK Column I trust 100%.
Even when they get something a bit “skewed” they are honest enough to admit it as per programme of 2nd July.
A great team.
Always trust your instincts.
Don’t think his opinion is popular looking at the responses. Then again – no doubt a ton of parents will be for this, because y’know – stupid.
Just quote the vaccine fatality and injury rates for that age range compared to the infection fatality and injury rates. Then we can make an informed choice.
Yes. And we don’t even have the true fatality and injury rate for children. Looking at the accounts of the few parents brave enough to speak out in the press, or to find media willing to run their stories, it’s difficult to get doctors to recognise that events might be vaccine linked, or report them to VAERS.
Wife has followed his youtube vids since pretty much the start and he made an awful lot of sense and criticised the Government (although funded by them) when he did the Deta video I made the comment that he’s been ‘got to’, wife didn’t disagree.
Looking after his balance sheet, probably. However, he might find that he’s lost a lot of support with wild ideas like that.
Parents that vaccinate their children will not be grand parents
Its a depopulation intelligence test
The owners of the planet don’t really care who survives- they want (whats left of) humanity to go to the stars and they can’t do that with 7.5 billion useless eaters
Completely sold out. He’s just like the rest. Jumped on the gravy chain. Can’t resist the huge amounts of funding the government are now giving him. I’ve been on the zoe app since December. On the plus side I got a free antibody test. Full blown natural immunity after 7 months. Same for my husband. Mild infection back in November. Are we medical miracles or just normal human beings with effective immune systems.. like the majority of the population? Especially our children. How are the worst aspects of humanity winning here?
Exactly. He knows perfectly well that the level of natural immunity in the population is wildly underestimated.
My doubts about this man have finally been vindicated – unfortunately.
We need to stop pseudo scientists from becoming celebrities. We really do not need more 15minute celebrities
Wrote this prick off a year ago when he was clearly drinking the kool aid and pissing the bed. Nice to see my prick detector stick is still functioning.
Can someone please ask these wunderkind know-it-alls who pontificate on the government’s approach to jab jab jab, how is it that the virus (and all superceding variants that magically take over) actually spreads and then infects (not the same ).
Because the US CDC admits that it doesn’t know, all theories on transmission so far have failed, ‘slain by ugly facts’.
it just because, you know, if we are going to knowingly damage the health of the species with a spike-producing disease-producing mRNA gene therapy it would be good to know that we are fixing something we understand. At the moment the image I have is of a bunch of monkeys playing with hand grenades.
^^^This^^^
For my sins I’ve actually read the 2019 WHO Pandemic Influenza Preparedness Plan. With millions of man hours of study and hundreds of billions of dollars spent on the study of influenza spread over many decades, the degree of certainty about how it actually spreads is a big, fat zero.
Tim Spector has managed up to now to navigate a careful route through the middle of the pandemic jungle, upsetting few and making some valid points at crucial moments. Unfortunately he has recently wandered off the path and got entangled in variants and a complete misunderstanding of how vaccines and immunology work. It’s no surprise that infections are exactly the same in vaccinated as unvaccinated people, because in order for your immune system, primed by the vaccine, to fight off the infection, you have to get infected in the first place. What you don’t get is ill and you will clear the infection quickly. But if you stick a swab up your nose in the meantime, you may well get a positive result. That doesn’t make you a ‘case’.
It’s a disappointment that Tim has lost his way and I’m sure that, like me, many will delete the Zoe app as a result.
Why is the Zoe app given so much credence in the press when it provides nothing more than subjective reporting.? Those who download it and report symptoms on it are those more likely very attentive to their health, and being involved with an app like this makes them feel as if they have an important contribution to make.
The 85% ‘herd immunity through ‘vaccination’ is probably the threshold they ( the drivers of this ‘new normal’) want for digital identity….G ates wants the whole world vaccinated….and Spector’s department is very well funded by the B&M G Fdtion.
He is joining Edmunds singing the siren song of “let us, oh let us, vaccinate the young….we have to shill for our bung…oh let us, let us, please, give your kids our vaccines”.
It’s as plain as a pikestaff what this is about….control and obedience to Big Pharma and the players in it.
The Diamond Princess with the virus loose and a target demographic in a closed environment showed that approx 17% of those onboard became infected. How does that real live petri dish experiment bear any relationship to calls that 85% need to be vaccinated to reach ‘herd immunity’? Herd immunity from what – coronavirus each and all of its variants? Then they will need to vaccinate forever and this is a never ending circle. As each new variant arrives a new vaccination will be required and a new variant will be borne. This is madness.
So-called “experts” like Spector are just making it up as they go along. They know it, we know it, and they know we know it. And they don’t care, because they are narcissistic, greedy, amoral, unethical sociopaths.
It’s not even valid scientifically as Dr Mike Yeadon has made clear. Variants differ by no more than 3% so immunity to one provides immunity to all.
I’ve never trusted Tim Spector, ever since I heard him on some early podcast.
Two problems with his analysis (even allowing the conceptual requirement for 85% immunity, which I don’t).
First, it has been clear since the outset that children don’t transmit the virus to anything like the same degree as adults. They have thus immediately made a latent contribution to overall herd immunity, without any previous infection or immunity. Their contribution to herd immunity therefore cannot be calculated or quantified in the same way as that of adults.
Second, it is apparent that the vaccines prevent neither infection nor the development of the disease – even says so on the packet. Thus they will provide only a limited brake on transmission, and a very limited contribution to herd immunity.
I find it inconceivable that the Tim Spectors of this world are unaware of these very basic facts.
Which leads me to a further question: are him and his ilk just stunningly ignorant, or is something else going on?
I keep coming back to that oh-so-telling phrase: ‘the banality of evil’.
The increase in ‘cases’ in both the highly vaxxed Seychelles and Israel would tend to show that the vaccine itself is ineffective in stopping transmission, or has waning effectiveness.
What they see is, who else can we blame and Jabb? Children of course.
As you say, evil.
I have gone along with the Zoe app for many months, it did seem to be adding some value to the debate. For me he has crossed a line now, the app and my data will be deleted.
Looks like, despite the propaganda, the uptake is not enough so moving down the age group, far away from the ‘vulnerable’ at the start.
Groundhog Day: HM Government downgrades this deadly virus from highly infectious in March…2020; 15 months ago. It has been “officially” recognised that the penetration/incidence within the UK population was then/ still is now on a par with influenza, some outbreaks of which have killed far far more people worldwide in the recent past; it’s mortality effect on people with no co-morbidities is vanishingly small. The Great Virus Con continues; even Prof Ioannidis now refers to the emergency approved use only, not fully tested experimental gene therapy jabs as vaccines; this is grossly confusing as the following extracts demonstrate: Oxford English dictionary: A substance used to stimulate the production of antibodies and provide immunity against one or several diseases, prepared from the causative agent of a disease, its products, or a synthetic substitute, treated to act as an antigen without inducing the disease. According to the World Health Organization (WHO), vaccination and immunization are related, although one describes an action while the other describes a process. By the WHO definition:1 Vaccination employs vaccines to stimulate the body’s own immune system to protect a person against subsequent infection or disease. Immunization is the process wherein a person is made immune or resistant to an infectious disease, typically by… Read more »
It’s far simpler than that…ask any person who has had the ‘jab’ and they will tell you they are now ‘safe’ and furthermore if you haven’t joined the club then you now a selfish, disease ridden thing, deserving of insult and slander…I’m quite enjoying it really now my skin has thickened.
Good article Will. I appreciate you putting thought and time into your articles on LS.
Will is extraordinarily thorough & a good writer. I just wish he had editorial freedom to tell the truth. The places I get a hearing are the southern United States, especially the Christians / Evangelicals. I’m a humble agnostic, but I learn the local religious leaders can make decisions locally & choose how, if at all, to preach to their flocks. I tried so hard, but there are too few qualified scientists & I’m almost completely censored. Bang for buck is so poor that it’s a bad decision to remain & do interviews in U.K. I note with interest that the Gates funded Reuters has been spending dosh on hopelessly unqualified “journalists” who’s assignment is to smear me. The only one I managed to hold a long exchange with eventually decided that because he’d spoken to an “expert” who told him that asymptomatic transmission was important after all. Triumphant that he had someone to disagree with me, he decided that was enough for him. I’d pointed out that first, your expert is ignorant or a shill & even if they’re right, which they’re not, you’ve SEVEN other Covid19 lies to rebut still. He’s decided to ignore all of that, and… Read more »
Everybody has their price it seems and integrity has gone on holiday. Thankyou for all your efforts and sorry you have been so badly treated.
Please keep on fighting – you remain a beacon of hope!
Herd immunity and in particular the HIT are a fairy tale.
A computer model with no real world relevance, applicability and chance in practice, or any medical evidence behind it.
The HIT was invented by these computer modelers (aka epidemiologist) solely and exactly for this purpose on behalf of the pharma industry: to justify the vaccination of people not at risk of a pathogen and disease.
Spector making it up as he goes along implicitly confirms this assessment, originally made and labeled with this warning by Profs Gatti and Montanari.
Tim Spector ‘yes it’s that simple’…………probably as simple as any idiot who believes this total cnut and SAGE
“According to the ZOE app’s latest daily report, symptomatic infections in people vaccinated with at least one dose are increasing about as fast as in unvaccinated people, albeit from a lower level.”
Let’s not wipe under the table here that the reporting and assessment criteria for an infection of the vaxxed have been changed, and that the CT number been lowered just for them in the US (I wouldn’t be surprised if that was the case in the UK too now).
Why do the so called experts only see vaccination uptake as the way out of this? After waves one and two, the majority of the elderly and vulnerable have unfortunately succumbed to the virus…the dry tinder that we were unable to protect. The virus, through the delta variant, is now circulating preferentially through the younger, less vulnerable, population hence the break between cases and hospitalisations and deaths. Perhaps nothing to do with the efficacy of the vaccines? Natural immunity through wide mild or asymptomatic infection is possibly occuring with the younger demographic.
Because it’s never been about Covid.
Spector has been “ratioed” with this tweet, so maybe he’ll think again.
What does that mean? I’m not on Twitter, I just read the varied tweets.
As with almost everything to do with Covid comparisons are almost never compare like with like. Until Delta arrived most of the population was equally affected but the deaths occurred to older and sicker people.
Delta, however is mainly attacking those in their teens and twenties (for whatever reason – I think that vaccines and the social habits of young people after months of restrictions are the main factors).
Without adjusting the figures for the different demographics the figures from the so-called professionals are meaningless.
That’s not the case. Recall last year the people who took the least precautions, rationally, were young people
They’ve long passed herd immunity.
Ignore PCR test results. Literally meaningless.
When you say attacking, presumably you mean ‘testing positive’.