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Hugh
Hugh
4 years ago

“Boris to delay lockdown lift until July 19th”.

Yes, obviously hospitals are going to be overwhelmed by a Winter respiratory disease in the middle of July.

Just give it up Mr Johnson, you absolute imbecile. How many more lives do you want to wreck?

Fingerache Philip
Fingerache Philip
4 years ago
Reply to  Hugh

How many lives do the sheep and collaborators want him to wreck?

iane
iane
4 years ago
Reply to  Hugh

Umm, the lot?!

Trojan House
Trojan House
4 years ago

Is mass vaccination in Chile actually causing the spike in cases? Like it did in Israel?

ellie-em
4 years ago
Reply to  Trojan House

Oxford AZ did trials in Chile, Peru, USA, South Africa, Brazil and UK.
Have we had a Peru variant yet?

https://www.ox.ac.uk/news/2021-03-22-results-usa-trial-oxford-vaccine

Nigel Sherratt
4 years ago

Pirbright famous for foot and mouth outbreak from leaking drain of course.

https://www.newscientist.com/article/dn12615-faulty-pipe-blamed-for-uk-foot-and-mouth-outbreak/

Annie
4 years ago

“Of the 42 deaths [allegedly from the deltascariant], 23 occurred in people who were unvaccinated but there were also 12 in patients who had been fully vaccinated at least 14 days prior to testing positive for Covid.” (Seen in Herald alongside Oliver article, but lost link, sorry.)

So the snake oil protects you from hospitalisation and death, yeah.
Needless to say, there were no details about the ages, co-morbidities, etc. of the deltacorpses.

Annie
4 years ago

Final proof that modellers don’t live in the real world:

“At the most basic level of analysis, the population can be divided into susceptible people, infected people and recovered people (which includes those who have died).”

https://www.spiked-online.com/2021/06/11/the-problem-with-covid-models/

My italics.

They can’t tell the difference between life and death.

No wonder we’re in this mess.

MTF
MTF
4 years ago
Reply to  Annie

It is just a matter of technical jargon. If someone who has been infected recovers or dies they are out of the picture as far as the progress of infections is concerned. SIR modelling is an absolutely standard technique that has been used for decades.

peyrole
peyrole
4 years ago
Reply to  MTF

Modelling techniques are not the issue. Its the input assumptions and the brainless way the outputs are interpreted. Its also not just SARS2/covid modelling, its just about every area of our lives. The underlying problem is that people think they are experts if they can run models, but as Mike Y said yesterday if someone like prof pantsdown applies his modelling expertese from theoretical physics to biology it will produce meaningless results because he is totally ill equipped to now what inputs to use ( probably doesn’t know anything about half of them) and even less idea of how to interpret the outputs.
‘Jargon’ is usually used to confuse, often because the person using it is covering up their own lack of knowledge. The world is overfull with ‘data’ and yet has diminishing ‘wisdom’. No-one spends the time thinking before using computers.

MTF
MTF
4 years ago
Reply to  peyrole

peyrole

I was only pointing out Annie’s apparent misunderstanding of the meaning of the term “recovered” in SIRS models (she may have been joking). I wasn’t saying anything about the validity of models in general or SARS2/covid models in particular.

manav95
manav95
4 years ago

It’s time to fight back violently across the UK. Grab your guns, Molotov cocktails, bats, knives, and other instruments of war. Storm Parliament and demand an end to this state of emergency. Declare yourselves willing to die and kill for freedom, and they will back down. Otherwise these motherfuckers will keep screwing you all over, and do you want that, hell no.

Fingerache Philip
Fingerache Philip
4 years ago
Reply to  manav95

When the “footie” is over, of course!

peyrole
peyrole
4 years ago

Put your finger on it. They think that a lot of people will be distracted by the euros, and they also don’t want the embarassment of calling games off etc if their own silly numbers look too high.

TheTartanEagle
TheTartanEagle
4 years ago
Reply to  manav95

One of the problems with the UK is only the bad guys are armed……

Julian
4 years ago
Reply to  manav95

I think violent action only works if it has a broad level of support among the people, and we’re not there, yet.

Baron_Jackfield
4 years ago
Reply to  Julian

Unfortunately, we’re a long way from it. You only have to look at the top-rated comments on the BBC website’s HYS to see the level of irrational fear that many of its contributors appear to have. Depressing in the extreme.

Braveheart
Braveheart
4 years ago

Depressing indeed. The BBC is 100% complicit in helping to spread that fear.

Julian
4 years ago

HYS is probably at one extreme. There are extremes and a large middle, but IMO the large middle still thinks that covid was an Emergency, about which Something needed to be done.

HelenaHancart
HelenaHancart
4 years ago

Can I suggest never, ever looking at comments on BBC…unless you feel like punching your own face. Seriously, it’s a diabolical bed-wet fest, and not representative at all. I’ve put reasoned, polite comments up in the early days and within minutes I got downvoted like someone had sat on the down button…and viciously attacked. Plenty of agents at work there!

stewart
4 years ago
Reply to  Julian

Lockdowns didn’t have broad support when they were first forced on us, the support came later.

Julian
4 years ago
Reply to  stewart

That wasn’t my impression, though the consent was manufactured through government mandated distortion of the truth.

Milo
Milo
4 years ago
Reply to  Julian

and bribery via the furlough scheme – genius no?

stewart
4 years ago

Question for psychopath Blair:

Getting pregnant is a choice, so does that mean we can discriminate against pregnant women?

Annie
4 years ago
Reply to  stewart

An excellent analogy. Can you put in in the DT comments or somewhere? Deserves a very wide airing.

Annie
4 years ago
Reply to  Annie

PS.,I suppose that for a strict Catholic (didn’t he become one so as to get his sprogs into a top school?), getting pregnant isn’t a choice because women are merely breeding machines.

Annie
4 years ago
Reply to  Annie

PPS. It’s an even better analogy than I thought. Pregnant women place such a burden on the Hell Service that entire hospitals have to be devoted to them. And it triggers a 100% incidence of Long Motherhood, which involves the state in further colossal expense. These pregnant parasites really need to be excluded from society.

Nigel Sherratt
4 years ago
Reply to  Annie

You could probably get elected on that manifesto.

helenf
4 years ago
Reply to  Nigel Sherratt

However, if The Handmaid’s Tale is predictive programming, we’ll need as many women as possible to get pregnant to save the human race. We won’t have to wait long to see if the vaccinated start having difficulty conceiving.

Milo
Milo
4 years ago
Reply to  helenf

and then who do you think will be forced into pregnancies? the unvaccinated of course.

eastender53
4 years ago
Reply to  stewart

Under the Woke umbrella can I self identify as an symptomatic pregnant non binary?

Julian
4 years ago

“We’ll quash future ‘zoonotic’ pandemics within 100 days, vow G7 leaders”

Further evidence, as if any were needed, that the “lockdown, develop dodgy vaccine in a hurry” model is now firmly entrenched.

Annie
4 years ago
Reply to  Julian

Who proved that covvie was zoonotic?

Nigel Sherratt
4 years ago
Reply to  Annie

Fauci 2020, Fauci 2021 not too sure.

PoshPanic
4 years ago
Reply to  Julian

We should really be giving the G7 leaders 100 days notice of crimes against their citizens and treason.

smithey
4 years ago
Reply to  Julian

We are probably going to have a full lockdown every winter now to stop the flu or whatever other bug happens to be going around spreading. The one good thing about this is that I won’t have to go to anymore tedious Christmas dos and work functions. Every cloud……..

eastender53
4 years ago
Reply to  smithey

Work functions? What work?

Milo
Milo
4 years ago
Reply to  smithey

just for winter? they will be permanent

Christmas? they don’t like religions – too many masses gathering – too much risk of subversive activity – christmas will be cancelled – permanently

Milo
Milo
4 years ago
Reply to  Julian

it anything that G7 pronouncement shows that however best intentioned his efforts are – and I believe they are – Reiner Fuelmich has no chance whatsoever of succeeding with his legal action.

yohodi
yohodi
4 years ago

Interesting how reasonable worst case scenario works for modellers and government strategy, but strangely not applicable for the jabs.

Adamb
4 years ago

“Child Sacrifice and deception in the time of the Covidians” – great article. Mass vaccination of children literally no different to Aztecs sacrificing children in the belief it was necessary for the survival of their civilisation.

Nigel Sherratt
4 years ago
Reply to  Adamb

A better analogy to attract Boris’s attention would be the Carthaginians and Baal Hammon. Aristocrats would sacrifice the children of the poor (purchased for the purpose) in normal times. When the going got tough and Baal Hammon was angry they sacrificed their own children (more than the usual number of poor children) to be on the safe side.

Nigel Sherratt
4 years ago
Reply to  Adamb
Monro
4 years ago

It has been apparent to most on here that the problem is not covid 19 but a malaise at the heart of society; the public sector. ‘….micromanagement requires armies of bureaucrats to create rules, determine eligibility, monitor compliance, and dispense benefits. The bureaucracy itself becomes a constituency wherein bureaucrats’ livelihoods rely on the existence of SNAP recipients. And it’s the same story with literally every other bureaucratic arm of the state. There is no clarity, and there is no accountability. The job of the politician has become one of using social problems to generate election wins. Similarly, the job of the bureaucrat has become one of using citizens who depend on social programs to create and maintain bureaucrats’ jobs. It is a well-choreographed dance that emerges, and the dancers take it as given that they will never be judged on what they achieve because failure can always be blamed on the other party, or on the fact that they weren’t allowed to spend more. Their intentions will be all that matter. Voters with much goodwill but little attention reward the politicians whose intentions sound most noble. Politicians, unable to solve complex problems, hand the problems over to bureaucrats. Bureaucrats, unaccountable… Read more »

Nigel Sherratt
4 years ago
Reply to  Monro

Agree completely but need to make sure we don’t model it on US system which ranks even lower.

The last WHO survey (2000) ranked Italy second after France, UK 18th and US 37th.

CCP would be ‘top’ now I guess if they repeated the exercise.

Monro
4 years ago
Reply to  Nigel Sherratt

Entirely agree, quite so, but: ‘In other policy debates, there is willingness to learn from international best practice, and a general curiosity about successful models abroad. English free schools, for example, were modelled on the Swedish friskolor. Healthcare is the exception to this rule. The healthcare debate remains insular and inward-looking, blighted by a counterproductive tendency to pretend that the only conceivable alternative to the NHS is the American system. • It would be far more insightful to benchmark the NHS against social health insurance (SHI) systems, the model of healthcare adopted by Switzerland, Belgium, the Netherlands, Germany and Israel. Like the NHS, SHI systems also achieve universal access to healthcare, albeit in a different way, namely through a combination of means-tested insurance premium subsidies, community rating and risk structure compensation. Unlike in the US, there is therefore no uninsured population (even homeless people have health insurance), and there is no such thing as a ‘medical bankruptcy’. When it comes to providing high-quality healthcare to the poor, these systems are second to none.’ After all: ‘Niemietz rightly reminds us of the prehistory of the NHS, the rich roots in mutualism and municipalism. That history is a resource for reminding us that non-state provision is… Read more »

Fingerache Philip
Fingerache Philip
4 years ago
Reply to  Monro

We can but hope.

eastender53
4 years ago

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-57431420

More BBC misinformation.
The virus ‘jumped from bats’. Reminds me of ‘did he fall or was he pushed?’

HelenaHancart
HelenaHancart
4 years ago

Oh f*ck off, Tony. Perhaps you could explain your reticence to reveal whether your kid had had its MMR jab or not! Hmm, hmm?

ellie-em
4 years ago
Reply to  HelenaHancart

But but but – that was personal and private information, I believe he said when asked.

Milo
Milo
4 years ago

“The Carbis Bay Declaration, drawn up at the G7 meeting, will see the world’s leading democracies commit to a series of measures that are designed to quash future pandemics within the first 100 days, the Telegraph reports. These include a new animal vaccine development centre at Pitbright Institute in Surrey that will aim to stop viruses leaping into the human population.“ So this is how it is going to go then. The first plandemic didn’t kill enough people with the combination of virus and handy jab, so it sounds like they have a couple more viruses waiting on the shelves ready to be launched at an unwitting world and only a jab will be the solution. So anyone who didn’t take the first 2 jabs will be lined up to take the next set which will be even more rapidly developed without proper testing for adverse effects or efficacy etc etc. There is clearly no intention whatsoever to consider whether ANY other treatments could be used either as prophylaxis or as a treatment for whatever virus is unleashed – it is straight to jab. How can anyone believe this is about public health any more? Meanwhile, there is the plan for a… Read more »

I am Spartacas
4 years ago

Absolutely no reason to delay lifting of restrictions …

Screenshot 2021-06-12 at 12-48-56 Dr Zoe Harcombe, PhD on Twitter.png
Fingerache Philip
Fingerache Philip
4 years ago

Just had a look at the “Official covid daily update” for a ‘Loff” (Laugh) and today’s update was hilarious; are we really expected to believe that over 6 million* sheep and collaborators have been tested in the last 7 days?
That’s almost 10% of the entire population!
I know of 1 testing station in Kidderminster where in the last month I’ve seen 2 sheep/collaborators enter and Mrs FP knows of 1 on the outskirts of Stourbridge and she has never seen a single person anywhere near.
Why don’t people use their brains and challenge these obviously exaggerated figures?
Actually, I think that I will go and urinate into the wind.
*6, 0088,413 to be precise (Well, they started it).

Julian
4 years ago

Lots of people test themselves at home and for work

Fingerache Philip
Fingerache Philip
4 years ago
Reply to  Julian

Fair comment. Plus I added a extra zero in the “precise” total.

JayBee
4 years ago

For Tony Blair, Muslim conquerors weren’t discriminating when they were murdering Jews and Christians, because they have had a choice to convert instead.
And it’s obvious that he would also have had a crush on the Nazis, if they had just given Jews that choice.
Words cannot express my disgust and contempt for that man.
And that’s the polite version.

Milos
4 years ago

COVID-19 Deaths This Year Have Already Eclipsed 2020’s Toll

Without getting into dubious definition of covid19 death (where part of natural mortality is magically transformed into covid19 deaths, and excess deaths due to lockdown used as ‘evidence’ of a ‘pandemic’), how long are they going to count cumulatively? It’s been year and a half (even more if you take into account that the virus was spread around the globe since at least autumn of 2019).

News from 2025:
Covid19 death toll passes 10 million!! ahhhhhhhh, tragedy!!!!!
News from 2030:
Covid19 death toll passes 20 million!! ahhhhhhhh, tragedy!!!!!
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News from 2050:
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