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Brett_McS
4 years ago

I’m a bit puzzled at the “terrible consequences of the Covid isolation strategy” comment. If an island can isolate itself from rampant infection and wait for a vaccine and/or effective treatments to appear, that seems a reasonable approach.

A serious criticism would be aimed at policies banning effective treatments and hence having to isolate so long, waiting for a (dodgy) vaccine to be available, but that is a separate issue.

Brett_McS
4 years ago
Reply to  Brett_McS

But if it delays it long enough such that treatments and/or vaccines become available, isn’t that the better option, rather than invite in the reaper?

Brett_McS
4 years ago
Reply to  Brett_McS

Of course governments around the world have handled the issue abysmally, but in principle a zero-Covid/isolation strategy makes perfect sense for an island until vaccines/treatments are available.

realarthurdent
4 years ago
Reply to  Brett_McS

It really doesn’t. Firstly, no coronavirus vaccine has been successfully developed, despite more than 40 years of research (the ones which have been developed in the last year do not prevent infection or transmission, so are useless for the likes of Oz and NZ – coronavirus will still spread there after they achieve 100% “vaccination”). Meanwhile, think of all the other, non-COVID, infections from all around the world which those people are not being exposed to. If they wait another 2 or 3 years for a “working” vaccine, even if miraculously one is developed, there’s every chance their population will be devastated by a strain of influenza or rhinovirus or some other virus which they have not been exposed to in the meantime. And they will all disappear like one of the lost tribes of South America when Europeans first landed there. Putting aside all of the immunological reasons why this is a bad idea, what is economic, social and cultural isolation, together with ongoing snap lockdowns, social distancing, containment measures etc. going to do to the people of Auz and NZ? It will be devastating. Depression, alcoholism, recession, civil unrest… It’s such a stupid idea not even Baldrick would… Read more »

Brett_McS
4 years ago
Reply to  realarthurdent

It doesn’t have to be vaccines. And/Or. Effective treatments were developed very rapidly. It’s just that politicians – to their utter shame – were pushed into banning them by Big Pharma, or whoever.

And I never mentioned or implied lockdowns. Isolation within an island that one lives on is not a lockdown; it just means taking care that who comes and goes to and from the island are not infected.

Brett_McS
4 years ago
Reply to  Brett_McS

You keep bringing up lockdowns. I didn’t mention them. Isolation on an island doesn’t mean lockdowns. It doesn’t even mean stopping travel in and out; just checking for symptoms. That is something that can be done on an island.

TheyLiveAndWeLockdown
4 years ago
Reply to  Brett_McS

Bluntly put. Delay is not free, (just like the experimental pseudo vaccines ) lockdown kills more and at a younger age (hence vastly higher QALY) than the virus.

Brett_McS
4 years ago

You conflate lockdowns with travel restrictions to and from an island. Not the same thing.

Hugh
Hugh
4 years ago

Peking Bidden closes lab leak investigation

Who would have thought it?

I am heartily fed up of this whole shambles and the duplicitous greedy two faced traitors pushing it. Given the possibility it could continue for some time however, best to continue resisting in our own way, continue to meet up with and hug our friends (none too cautiously) – at least we know who they are now – and do our best not to let the buggers get us down. As I’ve said, there are groups out there who are dead against all this. Find one, join them, support them. Together we will beat this thing.

Annie
4 years ago

Land of hope and glory, mother of the free..,

Annie
4 years ago

Interesting snippet from the Melbourne report above:

On Wednesday afternoon, the South Australian government released a report into how the man from Wollert caught COVID-19 in hotel quarantine.

South Australian Chief Public Health Officer Nicola Spurrier said the review found that he was most probably infected in the Playford Hotel through aerosol transmission when food was delivered to residents in the facility.

So you lock a man up, the door of his cell is opened only in order to pour some swill into his trough, and he STILL picks up the virus? Which he didn’t have before?In fact, he got the virus because he was in quarantine? And yet they still think gimp masks work to keep the sheeeeeples saaaaaafe?

And the article also shows that when a quarantine victim is released, his every move is tracked to the minute, and every place he goes to becomes an ‘exposure site’, so that panicking cretins can squeal and gibber if they find that They Were There Too.

Are there any human beings left in Australia?

Phil Shannon
4 years ago
Reply to  Annie

Well, the suspense is over – Victoria has just announced a new seven-day lockdown . That now makes nine since the Big One of 2020 (three in Western Australia, two in Victoria and Queensland, and one each in New South wales and South Australia). Welcome to Zero Covid Australia – lockdown panic, mask theatre and internal borders between contiguous states padlocked in response to a handful of ‘cases’, none sick at all, and just one elderly Covid-‘related’ death since Christmas 2020. With undercover Covid cops slugging mask miscreants $200 and QR Code defaulters $1,060, the ‘human beings’ in Australia are becoming a rare breed as the zomboids respond to orders to get tested, queuing for three hours to get sticks shoved up their nostrils if they had been in any declared ‘hotspots’ and isolate for two weeks if they are found to be ‘positive’. The theory (if it amounts to that) is that lockdowns pause virus transmission whilst the track-and-trace bloodhounds hit the QR Code databases to identify the infected who sit out their ‘infection’ in isolation. None of it works, of course, just as medi-hotel quarantine for travellers doesn’t work against an airborne virus. Health technocrats devising foolproof defences… Read more »

Annie
4 years ago
Reply to  Phil Shannon

Be strong, Phil, and may the Sceptic Force be with you.

arfurmo
arfurmo
4 years ago
Reply to  Phil Shannon

They don’t lock down hard enough -it’s easy just weld every door and window shut . People can survive without food for 30 days and will have some tins of beans in the house anyway. Shoot anyone who ventures outside.
Sure there will be some unfortunate collateral such as people with burst appendixes but if it saves one death from Covid.

Fingerache Philip
Fingerache Philip
4 years ago
Reply to  arfurmo

What about the moronic “advice”? about meeting people outside because the “fresh air will blow the Covid virus away”.
IF THE FRESH AIR CAN BLOW THE COVID VIRUS AWAY, WHAT’S TO STOP THE FRESH AIR BLOWING IT IN YOUR DIRECTION?
Shoot me now!
No, shoot the members of SAGE ( Sanctimonious, Arrogant, Grandstanding Elite) instead.

TheyLiveAndWeLockdown
4 years ago
Reply to  Phil Shannon

Only space suits can save the 0.15% of vulnerable Australians!

HelenaHancart
HelenaHancart
4 years ago
Reply to  Phil Shannon

I’ve got a friend in Australia who is covi-fanatic. She’s a medic and has completely bought the narrative…or forced to buy the narrative! Either way she doesn’t now relate to the person I thought I knew.

Tom in Scotland
Tom in Scotland
4 years ago
Reply to  HelenaHancart

Yes, a good friend of mine moved to Melbourne a few years ago and bought into the BS in spite of my attempts to point out reality. Of course, I was told that I was ‘reckless’ among other things and the friendship has been on life support for some time.

He’s just purchased a nearly one million-dollar flat with his girlfriend and is due to move house during the ‘circuit breaker’ (love how they borrow a stupid term from a dictatorship, Singapore) and I really do wonder how that is going to happen. I can’t tell from the online newspapers whether moving house is exempted during the flash lockdown (that I suspect will drag on and on).

I did tell him a long time ago that I suspected they would be locked down for the entire winter, and now it looks like that might happen. Well, this is what you get when you pursue a Zero Covid approach. It’s impossible and you will destroy whatever is left of your economy and society unless you stop it.

Fingerache Philip
Fingerache Philip
4 years ago
Reply to  HelenaHancart

Invasion of the body snatchers?

Fingerache Philip
Fingerache Philip
4 years ago

The Bozzer versus Scummings?
That’s a tough one.

Fingerache Philip
Fingerache Philip
4 years ago

I live in a block of 6 flats and being retired I am the unofficial “bin man” putting out and returning the wheelie bins and recycling boxes and bags.
One of our neighbours is a carer helping elderly people and also drives a school minibus ferrying pupils in our rural area.
Back to the bins: Week in and week out, I see dozens of unused Covid test kits dumped in my neighbour’s bin.
My 16 year old granddaughter and the other 1,500 pupils at her school and no doubt every other school, college and university in the country
are regularly tested twice a week dispite there being no “positive”?results in my granddaughter’s school for over 8 months.
Move over, Christianity, Islam, Hinduism, Judaism; we’ve got a new religion.

Fingerache Philip
Fingerache Philip
4 years ago

Any suggestions welcome, Friedrich.

Lucan Grey
4 years ago

Did you note the “Made in China” label on the boxes…

Fingerache Philip
Fingerache Philip
4 years ago
Reply to  Lucan Grey

YES!

Annie
4 years ago

‘people’ most certainly doesn’t cut it.

Milo
Milo
4 years ago

YES! I find the climate change moralising very hard to stomach when there is so much single use plastic swirling around because of covid [masks /visors/ test kits/PPE]

BJs Brain is Missing
4 years ago

This government and the crooked scientists need to be treated with the contempt it deserves.

Binra
Binra
4 years ago

if you keep scratching the itch you’ll be picking the scab.
Turn your back on the unreal. Put it behind you.
Else its contagion works the attempt to ‘understand’, reform, fix, heal, control, manage, eradicate.
Boris is groomed for purpose, to groom the public.
Purpose is what your hear aligns you in – unless you love to hate, as a ‘moral salvage’ from disintegrity.
Never mind what they need. Be selfish enough to have and hold a quality of presence through which to share and support life, instead of living a mask set in madness.

7fonn7
7fonn7
4 years ago

Hang in there. To quote Animal House, “Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor?”

We need every clear thinking individual in this struggle, and there are plenty of twists and turns still to come.

HelenaHancart
HelenaHancart
4 years ago
Reply to  7fonn7

Bloody love Animal House. Had the “don’t get mad, get even” line all the way through this. And I think we should have the biggest toga party to end all toga parties at some point soon!

Lucan Grey
4 years ago

“The Texas Mask Mystery
When the governor lifted the state’s mandate, liberals predicted disaster. But it never came. Why?”

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2021/05/texas-mask-mandate-no-effect/618942/

Paul B
4 years ago
Reply to  Lucan Grey

Ok, I’m skimmed it after he cited all the evidence that ‘masks work’. Clearly they do not.

BJs Brain is Missing
4 years ago

There is a march in London this weekend, so I hear…

James Kreis
4 years ago

Not ‘alf

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BurlingtonBertie
4 years ago

It’s the 22nd March 2020 meeting of the SPI-B arm. I think that I found it on the .gov website. Can’t remember due to Long Covid brain fog.
Do hope that you manage to bring them over from the Dark Side.

thefoostybadger
thefoostybadger
4 years ago

Also pinned to Peter Hitchins Twitter alongside Neil Ferguson’s “Didn’t think we could get away with it in a democracy” comment.

Tom in Scotland
Tom in Scotland
4 years ago

If you can get it, the book by Laura Dodsworth, A State of Fear, is excellent. It covers this side of the shitshow quite comprehensively. She’s done a lot of research and the interview quotes are something else.

The book seems to be selling very well in the UK.

HelenaHancart
HelenaHancart
4 years ago

Horrifying isn’t it? And on the 19th March Covid was downgraded from a “highly consequential infectious disease”! UK Column at the time, went into a lot of detail on this. And Susan Michie is popping up a lot, still!

Tom in Scotland
Tom in Scotland
4 years ago

For those who want this for research purposes, posterity, or whatever, here is the link:

https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/spi-b-current-adherence-to-behavioural-and-social-interventions-in-the-uk-22-march-2020

You can even download a PDF from here.

thefoostybadger
thefoostybadger
4 years ago

Apologies, not included in the LS news round up, but may be of interest.

From “The Ministry of Truth this morning,https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-57229848

And not one single word in that article suggesting that any of that could be related to the massive amount of unneccesary vaccinations recently given.

Pathetic…..but only to be expected.

HelenaHancart
HelenaHancart
4 years ago

But you could wear an Union flag face nap! See, there’s still fun to be had whilst still showing that “bulldog” spirit!

Adamb
4 years ago

Yes, very good, and a Gove/Cummings combo in power is indeed a terrifying prospect.

Milo
Milo
4 years ago
Reply to  Adamb

shoot me now

HelenaHancart
HelenaHancart
4 years ago

Stay strong Friedrich, we’ve got this far as we ain’t giving up yet! Despite everything that vile and evil, we are seeing things exposed to us like never before, a huge awakening is taking place, and people are shifting and forming new strong alliances with others that in the past, they would never thought possible. We won’t be going back the old normal, there are going to be huge changes, but we could emerge from this in a much better place, not the one they have planned for us!

Tom in Scotland
Tom in Scotland
4 years ago

Actually, Lord Sumption wrote about this in the Daily Telegraph today:

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/opinion/2021/05/26/dominic-cummings-showed-heart-ruthless-totalitarian/

Here’s the headline: Dominic Cummings showed that at heart he is a ruthless totalitarianPM’s former adviser has a contempt for democracy and liberal values – and would have kept us trapped in needless lockdowns.

Yes, it really could have been worse. Gove is so authoritarian and basically evil that he gives snakes a bad name. I think most Tories realise this and hope there’s no chance of Gove replacing Bozo when the time comes, but who knows.

karenovirus
4 years ago

No waving of flags in case they waft the Covid around.

Tom in Scotland
Tom in Scotland
4 years ago

I know the feeling. The world’s gone mad. There are signs, however, that many people are waking up and I think there is more opposition than ever to the madness. It will be a bumpy ride, but I think most countries are on the pathway out of this shitshow, so hang in there.

vlysander
vlysander
4 years ago

So who’s bet on restrictions being lifted on June 21st? I wouldn’t. We all know they will crank up the PCR cycles and more “cases” will be driven to keep lockdown going and people will still buy this lie.

When will lockdown end? When people stop buying the lie.

Lockdowns are happening across the world right now. Of course restrictions are never totally removed.

eastender53
4 years ago

I don’t trust Delingpole. Gove has been a scheming weasel from his first breath. Small man syndrome. Cummings is a walking definition of Sociopath with Psychopathic tendencies. Neither should attract support at any time and on any issue.

Fingerache Philip
Fingerache Philip
4 years ago

26 positive cases? in Melbourne.
Answer: Lock up all Melbournians (for a start) for a week.
Whatever happened to the Crocodile Dundee attitude that’s supposed to be the default position of all Australians?