New Study From Harvard Shows “Systemic” Presence of Spike Proteins in Blood Following Vaccination

A new paper published this week in Oxford scientific journal Clinical Infectious Diseases has shown that the spike protein from an mRNA Covid vaccine is present systemically in the blood from the day of the jab and is not localised to the site of injection. The research team from Harvard found the protein in the blood of 11 of 13 nurses tested following vaccination. Here is the abstract:

SARS-CoV-2 proteins were measured in longitudinal plasma samples collected from 13 participants who received two doses of mRNA-1273 [Moderna] vaccine. 11 of 13 participants showed detectable levels of SARS-CoV-2 protein as early as day one after first vaccine injection. Clearance of detectable SARS-CoV-2 protein correlated with production of IgG and IgA.

The Covid vaccines introduce genetic material into the body which give our cells instructions to produce the spike protein, which the immune system then learns to fight off and produces antibodies against. It had not previously been confirmed whether the spike protein was only produced locally to the injection site or could be detected more widely in the body.

The implications of this finding are unclear. As the authors state: “The clinical relevance of this finding is unknown and should be further explored.” However, it would seem to explain why side-effects potentially connected to the spike protein can occur throughout the body and are not localised to the injection site.

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Cecil B
Cecil B
4 years ago

‘The implications of this finding are unclear.’

I know what the bloody implications will be

Christmas will be cancelled (again)

baboon
4 years ago
Reply to  Cecil B

The implications are that the blood transfusion system is completely f*cked.

I’ll be charging £20,000 for a pint of nature’s untainted finest.

Sandra Barwick
Sandra Barwick
4 years ago
Reply to  baboon

Good point. Is blood checked for covid and other diseases before being put in someone else?

sophie123
4 years ago
Reply to  Sandra Barwick

Partly. But they don’t check for what they don’t know, so avoid transfusions if you can help it.

Splatt
Splatt
4 years ago

“Cool, we found something out but not really sure what”.

Mayo
Mayo
4 years ago
Reply to  Splatt

I wouldn’t say that. There appeared to be an assumption that the spike proteins produced remained near the site of the injection which was puzzling because wide ranging averse events were reported throughout the body. Some had suggested that spikes were circulating in the body and this study goes some way to confirming it.

It’s clearly a risky vaccine.

186NO
186NO
4 years ago
Reply to  Mayo

I have read that US scientists specialising in stem cell science have found, in a recent study, SARS Cov2 mRNA in every chromosome of a sample of people post jab ( not sure which jab, apologies ) – I am no scientist but got into a full on argument with a colleague who opined that this was impossible because of the effect on existing DNA records; surely this is an indication of the immediate effect of this jab – whether it fully “qualifies” as DNA altering I bow to more knowledgeable folks but it concerns me greatly.

Sandra Barwick
Sandra Barwick
4 years ago
Reply to  186NO

Alex Berenson quotes a study – the rna found in every organ after the rna jab except the kidneys.
Not the spike so far, but I don’t know if they have looked.
Surely they established all this in animal studies before coercing it on millions of humans?
Silly me, I forgot.

Amari
Amari
4 years ago
Reply to  186NO

Is there any evidence that these jabs “change” people’s DNA? I’ve heard that claim made.

kate
kate
4 years ago
Reply to  186NO

Do you have a link to this study please?

Mike Yeadon
4 years ago
Reply to  Mayo

I never for a moment accepted the assumption that the vaccine wouldn’t distribute. On the contrary, absent evidence to the contrary, my assumption was that it would.
No toxicologist would assume a substance injected into a highly vascularised tissue will remain there.

CovidiousAlbion
4 years ago
Reply to  Mike Yeadon

Can the protein producing cells migrate, or can affected cells release mRNA (or viral vector) that would then cause other cells to become spike protein producers?

fon
fon
4 years ago
Reply to  Splatt

we found out that if you inject a person with a vaacine to command the cells to grow spike proteins, guess what – the cells do grow spike proteins, is this meant to be a surprise? If you want fewerr spike proteins use less vaccine . Next problem please….

Susan
4 years ago
Reply to  fon

You can’t be serious.

fon
fon
4 years ago
Reply to  fon

did you think a fluid injected under you skin just stays put. Of course, if you put vaccine your veins, it flows about.

Splatt
Splatt
4 years ago
Reply to  fon

It’s odd, its almost like its doing what people hoped it would do….

peyrole
peyrole
4 years ago
Reply to  Splatt

To reply ( politely Mr Censor) Fon and Splatt, they are NOT doing what people hoped they would do. The injection is designed to go into a muscle and NOT the blood stream. As the makers of these infernal injections well knew from animal experiments a decade ago, if the mRNA gets into the bloodstream it has an unfortunate response, it tends to kill the recipient.
But very stupid people , unlike you two of course, like Dr Bhakdi , realised that they would not stay in the muscle, indeed given the millions of injections it was likely a lot would go directly in the blood stream, and travel quickly or slowly to different parts of the body. Indeed the gel surrounding the mRNA disguises the mRNA from the T-cells long enough for them to burrow nicely into the blood vessel cells and start replicating, they seem to have a particular affinity for the brain.
So Fon and Splatt, if you have been good boys or girls and have taken your jab, I wish you good luck over the next 18 months or so, I think you will need it.

chris notifier
chris notifier
4 years ago
Reply to  peyrole

This ignores the various other circulation and drainage paths…

TJN
TJN
4 years ago
Reply to  peyrole

peyrole, you are one of my favourite posters on here.

Sandra Barwick
Sandra Barwick
4 years ago
Reply to  peyrole

Fon will have had AZ. He’s not young.

peyrole
peyrole
4 years ago
Reply to  Sandra Barwick

They all have the same propensity to produce the ‘spike factories’ in the blood vessel cells. They just have different delivery systems.

Amari
Amari
4 years ago
Reply to  peyrole

Much better reply than your censored one. You sound far more intelligent when you are explaining things carefully than when you are using insults.

peyrole
peyrole
4 years ago
Reply to  Amari

Sometimes emotion which leads to anger overcomes calm reflection. It doesn’t seem that scientific analysis and debate get you very far these days, its all about emotion and feelings.
However you are right.

kate
kate
4 years ago
Reply to  peyrole

Why would anyone assume that intramuscular injections would localise only to the muscle?

Muscle is metabolically very active, and needs a blood supply to stay active and alive.
Anything in a muscle will be transported round the body by the blood supply to that muscle, which both brings the muscle glucose, and removes metabolic waste products.

peyrole
peyrole
4 years ago
Reply to  kate

Indeed you are correct. I doubt anyone really thought they would, but it was part of the mythology that these injections were somehow different to the ones trialed and rejected for SARS1 and MERS.

baboon
4 years ago
Reply to  fon

 If you want fewerr spike proteins use less vaccine . Next problem please….

Jesus Christ is this the best Big Pharma can come up with?

You shills are pathetic, shit-for-brained fools and you are the enemies of humanity.

Go choke on a peanut or something.

sophie123
4 years ago
Reply to  baboon

What’s more you can’t (if you want a protective effect at all), because most of the antibodies produced by the vaccines are non neutralising so you need a walloping dose to get enough neutralising ones.

Sandra Barwick
Sandra Barwick
4 years ago
Reply to  baboon

Fon isn’t getting any pharma dosh, he’s just a lonely old guy who likes attention, having learned at school long ago that if he misbehaved he got it.

TJN
TJN
4 years ago
Reply to  fon

Did the censor take out the whole comment? Surely just taking out the first five words would have sufficed (for the sensitive). I seem to remember that I’ve had comments part censored before.

Sandra Barwick
Sandra Barwick
4 years ago
Reply to  fon

No Fon sweetie, go back to the pub. The fact that the very dangerous spike protein travels beyond the cell has been explicitly denied.

RickH
4 years ago

“The clinical relevance of this finding is unknown and should be further explored.”

… But which confirms that extreme caution about the safety of the injections is not just warranted, but essential. Something this basic as this is unexplored, ffs.

This is the biggest pharmacological money-making con ever. No wonder the government’s propaganda arm is anxious to divert attention to another journalistic lapse.

fon
fon
4 years ago
Reply to  RickH

remember in the long run, we’re all dead which caps the level of extreme caution. It is extreme caution by the government that got us in this pickle.

RickH
4 years ago
Reply to  fon

I’m dead in the relatively short term, so don’t have time to piddle about destroying what’s left with the idiocies of assorted arse-holes, fearful vaccine addicts, gong chasers, significance seekers and con-men.

Ossettian
Ossettian
4 years ago
Reply to  fon

We’re not in a pickle: deaths in 2020 were on the same level as the first decade of this century.

Without the moronic/evil lockdown, they’d have been lower.

fon
fon
4 years ago
Reply to  Ossettian

If we are not in a pickle, then why have you been complaining? We are in a pickle due to extreme caution by the government, and your answer is to plead for more extreme caution. No wonder you are in a pickle.


Ossettian
Ossettian
4 years ago
Reply to  fon

I’m clearly complaining that something equivalent to a bad flu season is being claimed to be a new Black Death.

There’s nothing horrible happening that isn’t the result of government policy

baboon
4 years ago
Reply to  fon

Mods, please just ban this twat. He adds nothing and is clearly a shill.

sophie123
4 years ago
Reply to  baboon

I don’t know. He is good for target practice, to help us argue in the real world.

I am a benevolent person today.

TJN
TJN
4 years ago
Reply to  baboon

Let him post I say. But until he can offer something sensible and reasonably intelligent don’t bother to reply or even downvote.

RickH
4 years ago
Reply to  baboon

I’m against censorship. Full stop.

fon is extremely useful in illustrating the brainlessness of the vaccine narrative, and its roots in religious belief.

Sandra Barwick
Sandra Barwick
4 years ago
Reply to  RickH

Roots in religious belief, what?

Amari
Amari
4 years ago
Reply to  Sandra Barwick

It’s very clearly a covid religion. Anyone questioning it is a heretic will be witch-hunted. Very much like the religion of a certain protected group, which you are not allowed to question because that makes you an apostate so you must be killed.

RickH
4 years ago
Reply to  fon

For Chrissake – join up the two halves of your brain!

If we’re not in a pickle, then the last thing we need is an untested snake oil that causes a lot of additional problems that have emerged since blithe assurances were given about its unknown safety record, an which has minimal benefit – if any.

NickR
4 years ago
Reply to  fon

In 2020 there were just over 70,000 excess deaths out of a population just shy of 70m, 0.1%. That’s 1 extra death per 1,000, & that person had an average age of 82 & had 2.5 comorbidities.
The vaccines were intended to reduce death & ICU visits among the vulnerable elderly. Fine.
The issue is one of over-reach, of using an under tested vaccine on younger people who face a vanishingly small chance of harm from the virus &, quite possibly, a comparable risk or worse from the vaccine.
You only have to go back a few months & Kate Bingham & ministers were poopooing the idea that vaccines were for any one other than the elderly & vulnerable.

Hester
Hester
4 years ago

I am bursting but having resigned my Telegraph subscription I cannot so I have to get it in here.
So the latest Headline is “New triple variant under investigation in Yorkshire”

Apparantly the symptoms are the urge to wear a flat cap, buy a whippet and shout e by gum and Bugger at passing southerners.

Its true you know it is its headlined in the Telegraph

Lucan Grey
4 years ago
Reply to  Hester

It’s a Yorkshire mutant. This one installs a backbone, allows you to see things as they actually are, tell things as you see and gives you an overwhelming desire to gerronwi’it.

That’s why London considers it so dangerous.

186NO
186NO
4 years ago
Reply to  Lucan Grey

“That’ll do”….

WeAllFallDown
WeAllFallDown
4 years ago
Reply to  Hester

We’ll at least the economy will be on an even keel finally.

Cecil B
Cecil B
4 years ago

The other ‘Spike’

‘I only want the chance to prove money won’t make me happy’

‘My father was inspirational. He was a lunatic’

NonCompliant
4 years ago

Implications unclear? Surely Moderna must have known this would happen given ~80% of the people exhibited this, even if they didn’t let on they knew about it?

Freecumbria
4 years ago

Can anyone explain the implications of this statement in the discussion?

We hypothesize that the cellular immune responses triggered by T-cell activation, which would occur days after the vaccination, lead to direct killing of cells presenting spike protein and an additional release of spike into the blood stream

Trabant
4 years ago
Reply to  Freecumbria

Eventual death of large swathes of the vaxxed population, I suspect.

fon
fon
4 years ago
Reply to  Trabant

well only taxes are just as certain.

dante
4 years ago
Reply to  MikeAustin

He is a great teacher, you can tell the depth of his knowledge and experience. To be able to translate a complex subject into something that a layman like me can understand is pretty incredible really.

BeBopRockSteady
4 years ago
Reply to  dante

As he and the Doctors for Covid Ethics called this back in February by writing their letter to the EMA, the only honourable thing would be to stop bloody sidelining these scientists and ca a pause to vaccinations.

RickH
4 years ago

However – the censoring of increasingly justified warnings is substantiating evidence of extreme dirty-dealing. No honest government would be so dishonestly partisan over clearly supported reservations.

Cecil B
Cecil B
4 years ago
Reply to  MikeAustin

Just watched it. Wow. No wonder they banned it.

Many people are going to die

sophie123
4 years ago
Reply to  Cecil B

Me too. He’s a fantastic communicator.

I had a meeting yesterday with a friend, who works in a related sphere to mine (pharma) so he should get it. He’d had the Pfizer. I asked him he if was at all concerned about ADE or immune dependent enhancement, and he was like “nah….stuff like that doesn’t bother me”
To which I was 😮

maybe that’s it. I’m more afraid of the unknown (ADE, experimental mRNA vaccines) than a known (not v deadly virus). While some people see the minute risk of dying with COVID as tangible threat (no matter how tiny), vs an unknown intangible one as being somehow imaginary and not a threat. It’s a failure of imagination, perhaps.

sophie123
4 years ago
Reply to  sophie123

PS Cecil you crack me up …not this comment but generally. Thank you for your humour. When I am having a dark day, you can can always make me smile.

TJN
TJN
4 years ago
Reply to  sophie123

I think it’s a failure of intellectual courage, or just plain intellectual laziness. Why bother to go to the trouble and even discomfort of independent thinking if you can just go with the flow?

Probably evolutionary. Some are programmed to be herd animals; others are programmed to operate alone or in small groups. Nothing to do with intelligence as such.

Nobody2021
4 years ago
Reply to  sophie123

If people weren’t constantly told there’s a deadly virus going around they wouldn’t know to be scared of it. It’s a bit like that I guess.

RickH
4 years ago
Reply to  sophie123

It’s not ‘imaginary’ in the wider sense.

To reduce it to a basic image : who would accept an unlabelled bottle of liquid, and drink it, when sold to them as the elixir of life by a known con-man and liar?

Because ‘con man and liar’ is a generous description of Johnson and his mates – even down to the most basic nonsense that ‘Covid’ is ‘exceptional’ in its impact.

BillRiceJr
BillRiceJr
4 years ago
Reply to  MikeAustin

Enjoyed this video. He does do a good job of explaining his concerns. He says more people in Germany under the age of 55 had probably died of vaccine-caused blood clots in the brain than of the virus. If true, this is chilling.

huxleypiggles
4 years ago

I didn’t need Mike Yeadon’s article to convince me of the true agenda but evidence from this study suggests that depopulation is the real goal. Every trick in the book is being used to get everybody jabbed for an illness that kills 0.15% of those it infects.

More evidence will appear through this year.

Autumn and Winter will be carnage.

Trabant
4 years ago
Reply to  huxleypiggles

Be interesting to see if the Cytokine Storm thing happens.

sophie123
4 years ago
Reply to  Trabant

“Interesting” being a euphemism for terrifying.
OC43 is on the rise again in the US. We will see (maybe)

baboon
4 years ago
Reply to  sophie123

OC43 is on the rise again in the US. 

That’s terrifying as well. I’ve been focusing on the national security implications of vaccinated everyone (including military) over the last couple of weeks in my research.

Market Ticker has shown that a study that shows that the “vaccines” have a different antibody signature to natural immunity, meaning that it could be possible to release a new bioweapon that bypasses that signature and causes massive ADE.

He’s also speculated that OC43 could cause ADE in the vaccinated (and maybe in Covid-recovered people as well).

https://market-ticker.org/akcs-www?post=242430

If OC43 cases are suddenly increasing as you state, I would be exceedingly concerned this is the bioweapon China has chosen.

Think about it – you would decapitate the leadership, military, emergency services and take out a good deal of the population without firing a shot.

How can anyone not have considered the national security implications of all this, especially when the virus was likely a gain of function bioweapon to begin with?

sophie123
4 years ago
Reply to  baboon

You are computing more malice than I had. Maybe the Chinese are smarter than all of us.

I figured that this crass stupidity was driven by panic and fear (of losing power, not the virus necessarily) by governments and complicit venality of the vaccine manufacturers, jumping at the chance to ditch liability for their experiments and advance development of a new modality that could make them rich.

Everyone in any position of power knows the vaccine is risky, but the strategy seems to be “cross your fingers”. Madness.

baboon
4 years ago
Reply to  Trabant

Antibody dependent enhancement, pathogenic priming, autoimmune disease, neurological disease and much more are on the table I am very sad to say.

This article is absolutely fantastic, not sure where I got it from (might have been here) but is an invaluable (and terrifying) summary of everything in play.

https://ijvtpr.com/index.php/IJVTPR/article/view/23/34 

crosscat
crosscat
4 years ago
Reply to  baboon

Took me about 2 hours to read – but yes, a brilliant summary of the known unknowns! What about the unknown unknowns?

Catee
4 years ago
Reply to  huxleypiggles

Particularly if there’s truth in the figures that 75% of health care workers have been vaccinated.
It will be a sad but interesting conundrum if they have to beg ‘the selfish unvaccinated’ to step up and help.

SweetBabyCheeses
4 years ago

I’m not really surprised by this…it kinda confirms what I learnt at school about the circulatory system. Plus I believe that the manufacturers haven’t ever released info on what exact cells in the body are targeted? Then you have the blood clot side effects…

JoP
JoP
4 years ago

Did anybody actually think it would remain at the injection site? And I can’t see why it is needed to explain a systemic reaction. You are always likely to get a generalised systemic reaction if you inject foreign organic material.

sophie123
4 years ago
Reply to  JoP

I’m fairly sure the studies do show it is expressed in cells throughout the body. Some comments about the kidney spring to mind. Or maybe it was seen in the kidney but they didn’t report on anywhere else. I can’t remember.

Jane G
Jane G
4 years ago
Reply to  sophie123

Maybe a silly question, but how do they know unless a post mortem is performed?

Trabant
4 years ago

FFS
Bearing in mind:
The mRNA instructs all cells to produce this spike protein, forever (Nobody knows if the mechanism ever shuts off, I strongly suspect not)

This particular protein “has not been seen in nature before” ( so I believe )
That Covid is a vascular disease, the damage being caused by the spike protein’s interaction with the blood vessels ( as I understand it ) … And thus also the “long Covid” and organ damage we’ve heard about…
I can only think that being “vaxxed” is like having a particularly bad case of Covid, forever, with all the attendant short term and ( as yet unseen ) bodily damage that entails.

mwhite
4 years ago
Reply to  Trabant

For long Covid, see post viral syndrome. Been known about for years, now part of project fear.

BurlingtonBertie
4 years ago
Reply to  mwhite

I’ve had post viral fatigue & have been diagnosed with long covid, they are very different.

RickH
4 years ago

… or have a range of ill-defined common symptoms.

Sandra Barwick
Sandra Barwick
4 years ago

Tell us about the symptoms of each for you.

sophie123
4 years ago
Reply to  Trabant

I think, listening to Dr Bhakdi, your immune system eventually kills of the spike producing cells. So it is not forever. If it works as expected anyway. No guarantees in human biology (other than eventual death).

And being vaxxed is more like Russian roulette than COVID, which targets the lungs and older people, while vax injuries can be anywhere in the body with slow flowing blood and more unpredictable as to who is harmed. Possibly less deadly overall, but without all cause mortality data vs control, we will never know.

Julian
4 years ago
Reply to  sophie123

we will never know” I think that’s the general idea. What possible reason could anyone pushing the narrative for all it’s worth have for wanting anyone to know the truth.

RickH
4 years ago
Reply to  sophie123

“being vaxxed is more like Russian roulette than COVID,”

Being jabbed is essentially like deliberately catching Covid and then seeing what happens.

I wouldn’t choose either.

sophie123
4 years ago
Reply to  RickH

No I think if you are young, the vaccines are more dangerous than COVID. EspeciAlly if you are slim and healthy. Because with COVID the damage is more likely to be contained to the lungs.

TJN
TJN
4 years ago
Reply to  RickH

Forced to a choice, I’d go for the covid every time.

Splatt
Splatt
4 years ago
Reply to  Trabant

No it doesn’t.
Its literally not how mRNA works or can possibly work.
Stop making ridiculous claims about something you clearly don’t understand.

RickH
4 years ago
Reply to  Splatt

Nobody understands this snake oil. ‘Understanding’ results from rigorous testing.

Firstly, we know that SARS-CoV-2 causes totally unexceptional problems in the context of the run of infectious diseases, and that the engineering of this situation is done by some very dodgy dealers.

We know that the snake oil creates massively inflated (compared to other medicines) figures of side-effects – such that would probably have paused honest trials, given the salience of blood clotting symptoms.

We have problematic evidence of increased mortality after the initiation of widespread ‘vaccination’.

We also know that the absolute risk reduction is minimal.

We have a year of data without the intervention of so-called ‘vaccines’ – and nothing extraordinary happened – except a manufactured political scenario built round a higher than average mortality, following a long period of accruing ‘dry tinder’.

Thus the benefit/harm balance is shot to pieces.

Thus mass administration of the snake oil is way outside the boundary of proper medical ethics.

It’s really that simple.

Jane G
Jane G
4 years ago
Reply to  Trabant

I tried (and failed) to follow a podcast explanation of this from Dr been (mobeen somoneorother) who has a YT following. He drew a cartoon featuring a monster pulling a cart and tried to illustrate how there was a cut-off point where the spike protein ceases to proliferate in the cells. (Causing the monster’s tail to drop off)

Too many enzymes and chemical formulae for me to grasp, but he seemed certain that it had an end-point. It would be comforting to hear someone else describe it. (Well, not to me personally cos I’m not having the jab – but for the sake of my fool of a son who probably will…)

Cecil B
Cecil B
4 years ago

Funded by The……… and……… Foundation

Fill in the blanks yourself

baboon
4 years ago
Reply to  Cecil B

Epstein Friend and Man in a Dress?

Nigel Sherratt
4 years ago

Bhakdi talks about his at length in his Planet Lockdown interview (removed from YouTube of course).

https://www.bitchute.com/video/O0ZdVXNyjjCW/

druid144
druid144
4 years ago

What. How many million doses and NOW some researchers are investigating that it affects the whole body?
Dumbfounded!

Noumenon
4 years ago

What I don’t understand about the spike protein issue is that the virus itself has spike proteins. Presumably the virus spike proteins are a limited problem because they are only restricted to the virus itself, not produced more widely?

OKUK
OKUK
4 years ago
Reply to  Noumenon

Viruses invade just about every cell in the body, which is why you get the classic aches and pains with flu. I think the fact that the manufacturers admit that side effects of the vaccine include Covid like symptoms tells its own story.

BeBopRockSteady
4 years ago
Reply to  Noumenon

The key assumption was that the spike was benign. As the Salk Institute found. It’s not. It causes vascular issues on its own

sophie123
4 years ago
Reply to  Noumenon

They’re not limited, as I understand it, but as it’s a respiratory infection, they are mostly in the lung (so we see blood clots there). Some get into the blood stream and it’s why we do see other locations for thrombosis in some unlucky patients.

With the vaccine, its more random. If I understand Dr Bhakdi correctly.

realarthurdent
4 years ago

The implications of this finding are unclear.”

You’d think they’d have figured out what the implications of giving most people in the world this vaccine were before they started. You know, just in case the implications weren’t particularly good for people’s long-term health. But maybe I’m just a bit old-fashioned in that way.

OKUK
OKUK
4 years ago

And people who say these vaccines are “experimental” are dismissed as conspiracy nutters by Wendling, Spring and the other anti-free speech fascists at the BBC. In fact Ofcom will soon be policing sites that allow people to call them “experimental” because that’s “disinformation”.

They’ve been trying out this vaccine on the whole populace without knowing how it works in its most obvious sense.

Isn’t it the case that spike proteins can get in the brain?

BurlingtonBertie
4 years ago
Reply to  OKUK

The loss of smell & taste in the acute infection stage are indicative that the virus enters the brain. Some studies, can’t for the life of me remember where I read it, indicate that it particularly likes the brainstem

WM
WM
4 years ago
sophie123
4 years ago

Could that not be the cells in the nasal lining that are targeted?

Adamb
4 years ago
Reply to  sophie123

Yes I think that’s more likely. I had soreness in the sinuses before loss of smell and taste was noticeable.

realarthurdent
4 years ago

For those more knowledgeable than me. Will this issue affect those who have had the AZ vaccine too? Or just the Pfizer and Moderna ones?

Mayo
Mayo
4 years ago
Reply to  realarthurdent

I don’t want to claim to be knowledgeable but, while the Pfizer & AZ methods may differ, the end result is the same, i.e. the host cell produces the virus spike protein. If it can circulate in the blood stream after the Pfizer jab it can presumably do the same after the AZ jab.

As Will Jones points out this would explain why side effects “can occur throughout the body and are not localised to the injection site”.

BeBopRockSteady
4 years ago
Reply to  Mayo

Yes. They are the same in that they induce the spike protein. Its just the delivery method of the coding which is different

sophie123
4 years ago

Any vaccine which is based on the S protein (ie all of them) risks being the same. Even when we get more traditional antigen based approaches like Sanofi at the end of this year.

sophie123
4 years ago
Reply to  Mayo

Also I am no expert, but Dr Bhakdi says what Mayo says. And I think we can call him an expert.

richardw53
richardw53
4 years ago

Not only does Ivermectin fix Covid 19, it may also deal with the side effects of the vaccine as well as curing long Covid, see https://youtu.be/tMvcToinCDE at 49 minutes. Watch the whole thing, it’s a good podcast from the FLCCC.

BeBopRockSteady
4 years ago
Reply to  richardw53

You have to think the ignorance of Ivermectin is almost up there with the lab leak cover up.

Shameful we are still here in the UK awaiting for it to be used.

richardw53
richardw53
4 years ago

I think far more damage has been done because of the suppression of ivermectin than the lab leak cover up!

Sandra Barwick
Sandra Barwick
4 years ago
Reply to  richardw53

That’s really interesting, and needed.

Lucan Grey
4 years ago

The Covid vaccines introduce genetic material into the body which give our cells instructions to produce the spike protein, which the immune system then learns to fight off and produces antibodies against”

As does the virus. That’s how RNA replication works.

Vaccines induce an artificial infection. That’s sort of the point.

RickH
4 years ago
Reply to  Lucan Grey

(The) “Vaccines induce an artificial infection” … and provoke blood clots

BeBopRockSteady
4 years ago
Reply to  Lucan Grey

So tell me, what are the antibodies being created to attack? An artifical infection or a real one?

sophie123
4 years ago
Reply to  Lucan Grey

The real virus will have the N protein as well though. And you will produce neutralising antibodies to that as well as the S protein. And a robust T cell response (hopefully, if you are young) that will mean that you will produce a whole slew of antibodies when presented with a mutated or related coronavirus in future.

if you only train your body to attack the S protein, you’re not getting a full protective effect. The virus (on reinfection) may only be partially incapacitated. And that’s how ADE might result, as I understand it.

There was a new paper out the other day, on market-ticker. I will try and find it.

ETA here: its a preprint
https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.03.07.21253098v2.full.pdf

Mayo
Mayo
4 years ago
Reply to  sophie123

if you only train your body to attack the S protein, you’re not getting a full protective effect. 

This could be why they are so hung up on variants. If the mutations are focusing on the S-protein then the current vaccinations could eventually become worse than useless.

sophie123
4 years ago
Reply to  Mayo

Good point. The variant thing makes no sense otherwise.

sophie123
4 years ago
Reply to  sophie123

this is worrying too (from line 99 of the preprint):

The polyclonal antibody response to mRNA vaccination exceeds titers seen in convalescent individuals but is characterized by a high ratio of non-neutralizing antibodies

and line 157:

The majority of isolated mAbs from SARS-CoV2 vaccinees are non-neutralizing

We know that non neutralising antibodies are what drive ADE.

sophie123
4 years ago
Reply to  sophie123

And I also found this paper (while reading references) on cross reactivity with other HCoV which suggests you need the N (or NTD) and S2 mAbs to get a more broadly protective effect than just the S1 protein.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7523096/

RickH
4 years ago
Reply to  sophie123

Be more concise :

The variant thing makes no sense.

Stick to the basics : there is no need for a vaccine – or fake NPIs. This is not an exceptional or novel virus.

sophie123
4 years ago
Reply to  RickH

Maybe I was TOO concise! I meant the variant panic made no sense for the reason you say (ie not a novel virus). It does make sense if you’ve vaccinated a ton of chumps though, as you’ll risk ADE if you get too much variation in the virus.

That assumes mass death isn’t your goal.

But if we give the powers that be the benefit of the doubt that they are just stupid rather than completely evil, then we are where we are, where a little bit of knowledge turns out to be a very dangerous thing indeed

Sandra Barwick
Sandra Barwick
4 years ago
Reply to  sophie123

Whichever, if ADE starts it will not be confessed to. Deaths will be blamed on Covid and “refuseniks” and fear and control vastly increased.

sophie123
4 years ago
Reply to  Sandra Barwick

I fear you are right. Sadly.

Jane G
Jane G
4 years ago
Reply to  sophie123

Is it saying much the same as this:
https://www.hartgroup.org/natural-vs-vaccine-immunity/ ?

I can’t quite follow the pre print thingy…

Sandra Barwick
Sandra Barwick
4 years ago
Reply to  Mayo

They’re hung up on variants only as a means of control through fear, pharma profit, and towards jab passports.
If it was otherwise, they’d be praising natural immunity.

Tee Ell
4 years ago

Some of this looks fairly positive. It appears spike protein levels reduce as the immune system does its thing, rather than it hanging around for a long time.

The still-unresolved question that a lot of people on here have already asked previously – what damage might the spike protein potentially be doing prior to the immune response working its magic?

Mayo
Mayo
4 years ago
Reply to  Tee Ell

what damage might the spike protein potentially be doing prior to the immune response working its magic?

Quite a lot if VAERS and the Yellow Card system are any guide.

AfterAll
4 years ago
Reply to  Tee Ell

The sample size was tiny (13 healthcare workers) so definitely a case of “more research is needed”.

Sandra Barwick
Sandra Barwick
4 years ago
Reply to  AfterAll

Yeah. Be interesting to see if Wellcome could throw half a mill towards a really big study, overseen by Hart to reassure us of impartiality?

Mayo
Mayo
4 years ago

Did anyone catch the UK column episode to-day? Friday is usually dire but the opening topic to-day was jaw dropping. I’m sure everyone is familiar with the MHRA, They are the people we rely on for medicine safety.

Anyway, under a FOI request, someone had wanted clarification on issues surrounding pregnancy which needed flagging during the Trial. I think this was the point of interest

A male participant who is receiving or has discontinued study intervention exposes a female partner prior to or around the time of conception.

The response from MHRA effectively said that they hadn’t read the document. While difficult to comprehend, it would explain why 2 nurses with histories of allergies were allowed to take the vaccine on the first day of the rollout.

Julian
4 years ago
Reply to  Mayo

While difficult to comprehend” The whole madness has been difficult to comprehend

I am Spartacas
4 years ago

I could be wrong but I think Professor Sucharit Bhakdi warned about this problem with the covid vaccines in a video interview he did back in April 16 – the unusual and sometimes crippling side-effects like headaches and so on he says should not be ignored, they are warnings. The whole 45 min video is worth watching but if you want the part about spikes being produced in parts of the body where they are never produced normally (ie the brain) and the dangers of this happening – this is around 35min onwards.

Perspectives on the Pandemic | “Blood Clots and Beyond” | Episode 15
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pyPjAfNNA-U

BJs Brain is Missing
4 years ago

So the vaccinated potentially become spreaders of SARS-Cov-2?

peyrole
peyrole
4 years ago

Let’s be clear about this. The cries from such as Yeadon, Bhakdi and Wodargs are found to be true. The spikes go directly in the blood stream, to go into the cells of the blood vessels including the brain. Where they are attacked by the immune system to cause clots and bleeding. People have died, I fear far more will die over several months.
This is callous murder.

JayBee
4 years ago

Harvard confirming SALK.
And Wodarg, Bhakdi&co. even before that.
What that means is pretty clear to anyone with an IQ above 50:
The last thing you wanna do is get an injection that turns you into a spike protein producing zombie for good, aka a Covid 19 vector or mRNA ‘vaccine’.

JayBee
4 years ago

I forgot where I read it today, but in that article it was stated that 95% of mRNA treated and vaccinated animals always died within a few weeks, and that this time span usually correlates for researchers to 1 to 1 1/2 human years.
So 2022 could be quite ‘interesting’.

Ossettian
Ossettian
4 years ago
Reply to  JayBee

I read that too.

Except I think it was 95% of animals injected with vaccines designed to deal with coronoviruses.

baboon
4 years ago

Another excellent article on Market Ticker regarding this: https://market-ticker.org/akcs-www?post=242467

swedenborg
4 years ago
Reply to  baboon

Yes I agree.I found that article outlining a worst case scenario more plausible after this Harward study. They must be concerned in FDA or any Drug regulatory body. The minimum response would be to stop mass vaccination of healthy people which is ongoing now in the whole Western world as all riskgroups are already vaccinated. At least pausing the vaccine and only allowing it for risk groups until we know more about these frightening findings.

RickH
4 years ago
Reply to  swedenborg

only allowing it for risk groups”

… but you’re absolutely wrong and illogical there. For a ~1% ARR, with the same reservations applying and the suspicion of significant post-jab mortality amongst this group?

Makes no sense, particularly when there is safe prophylaxis available.

smithey
4 years ago

: “The clinical relevance of this finding is unknown and should be further explored.”
When I take a vaccine I want the medical authorities to fully understand the clinical relevance of all the changes it caused within my body.

Chris P
Chris P
4 years ago

‘However, critical data demonstrating the direct production of spike protein via translation from the mRNA-1273 vaccine in these studies are missing, precluding a full understanding of the vaccine mechanism.’ I read this sentence in the introduction as suggesting the pharmaceutical companies do not know exactly how the gene therapy works.

Sandra Barwick
Sandra Barwick
4 years ago
Reply to  Chris P

Or they do and don’t want us to know.
See Imperial Tobacco.