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RickH
4 years ago

During the flu epidemics of 1957 and 1968 “there was a concerted effort by both government and the media to avoid spreading panic and fear”.

– which indicates the bad faith operating now: a contradiction of good public health policy.

karenovirus
4 years ago
Reply to  RickH

In 1968 the news was always dominated by dreary film of Trades Union leaders going in and out of no.10 for ‘beer and sandwiches’ crisis meetings with Harold Wilson (and The Balance Of Payments Deficit).

My mum was a SRN in a north London hospital at the time but she didn’t mention anything about a serious flu epidemic so far as I recall. Dad was a middling civil servant and what concerned him was getting a council grant for loft insulation.

Hugh
Hugh
4 years ago
Reply to  karenovirus

Yes, they want to go to Mars now (maybe they can take certain people with them?). They are claiming they might find the aliens there. To increase their funding, of course. Money and science…

karenovirus
4 years ago
Reply to  Hugh

Elon Musk has said that people who go to Mars can expect to die there, natural causes of course.

GCarty80
GCarty80
4 years ago
Reply to  karenovirus

Except of course that landing on the moon was nothing to do with “white male supremacy” as it driven by America’s competition with a rival white superpower.

BeBopRockSteady
4 years ago
Reply to  RickH

Maybe this is the key difference.

https://thecritic.co.uk/bekind-and-staysafe-or-else/

The age of manipulation and control.

karenovirus
4 years ago

That article is proving to be very popular here at LS, perhaps Toby should pin it somewhere

J4mes
4 years ago

The key difference is that there isn’t really a pandemic this time.

HelenaHancart
HelenaHancart
4 years ago
Reply to  J4mes

Exactly. Because of there was, they’d be playing that thing right down!

Hugh
Hugh
4 years ago

127,603 deaths “an article of faith for lockdown proponents”. You mean there are actually people who believe that all these people would still be alive if it wasn’t for a “novel coronavirus”? Surely not!

karenovirus
4 years ago
Reply to  Hugh

No accounting for thick as shite.

I doubt if there are many relatives of Covid victims who seriously expected their loved one to survive the next twelve months given their their underlying comorbidities.

Comments made to me by care home workers back this up; ‘we always lose a few to flu in winter but most would be at deaths door anyway’ being typical but probably not company policy to say so.

Hugh
Hugh
4 years ago
Reply to  karenovirus

Do you get the feeling that the fact a lot of people can be easily baffled by these figures has been ruthlessly exploited?

karenovirus
4 years ago

“Deaths in Britain below 5 year average” Telegraph from ONS

Similar to June last year when the ONS were reporting fewer deaths first in London but soon followed by the rest of the country*.
Picked up on Hector Drummonds blog and reported here at LS but ignored by the MSM who preferred to divert us with the stale news of cummingsgat for several weeks by which time Covid had mysteriously disappeared.

Reason being, as someone mentioned here ‘you can’t die of Covid in March and then die again in June from the comorbidity that was going to kill you the, statistically.

I know ‘5 year average’ is not the perfect metric but that’s how the ONS report.

Hugh
Hugh
4 years ago
Reply to  karenovirus

Cummingsgate? – or should that be castlegate? (strange convention, this “gate” business, as if Watergate was the only scandal to matter).

GCarty80
GCarty80
4 years ago
Reply to  Hugh

Didn’t British political scandals more often have names of the form X for Y: as in “homes for votes”, “cash for questions”, or “cash for ash” in Northern Ireland?

CovidiousAlbion
4 years ago
Reply to  Hugh

And Watergate had very little to do with water.

If you want a water scandal, you could try this one, but not before dinner: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nokia_water_supply_contamination

Hugh
Hugh
4 years ago

Increase in cases in Texas?! Here are the facts for Texas and California going back to 5 weeks before the Sunday just gone, when a baseball game in no-winter-lockdown Texas had a crowd of over 38,000. Seriously, you tell me if this is evidence that winter lockdowns and face masks are working – and whether that baseball game was a disaster, and evidence for not having 38,000 at (say) Elland Road.

Reported covid deaths adjusted for UK population equivalent (ie times c. 2.3 and 1.7)

week ending: Texas California
9/5/21 777 615
2/5/21 824 822
25/4/21 813 700
18/4/21 876 1,025
11/4/21 1,196 1,222
4/4/21* 1,318 1,937

*The Texas baseball game happened about this date.

Is this really evidence for the ridiculous 10,000 limit at UK sporting events (but 0 this week)?

Hugh
Hugh
4 years ago
Reply to  Hugh

should read
…………..Texas……California
9/5/21…..777………615.
2/5/21…..824………822
25/4/21…813………700
18/4/21…876………1,025
11/4/21…1,196……1,222
4/4/21…..1,318……1,937

ie it is hard to see what benefit California gained from face nappies, winter lockdowns, refusing to allow sports fan back. Even just counting reported covid deaths.
And bear in mind this is adjusted for UK population, so actual reported deaths were less than that. This is so we can compare it easily with the UK and compare them with each other without having to do sums – so there were only two weeks when Texas had a significantly higher IFR – and even then the downward trend continued.

GCarty80
GCarty80
4 years ago
Reply to  Hugh

I suspect California did so much worse because of its sky-high real estate prices (and resulting overcrowding and homelessness).

karenovirus
4 years ago
Reply to  GCarty80

California has more billionaires than anywhere else in the USA, it also has the highest proportion of citizens on welfare.

TheyLiveAndWeLockdown
4 years ago
Reply to  karenovirus

progressivism (tax work, subsidise title) is the welfare state for billionaires, so that’s entirely to be expected.

GCarty80
GCarty80
4 years ago
Reply to  karenovirus

And the root cause of a lot of these issues is that so many globally-dominant monopolies (including Silicon Valley tech firms and Hollywood movie studios) are based there.

Bay Area and Los Angeles landlords then hitch a ride on these global monopolies, much as remoras do on sharks.

TheyLiveAndWeLockdown
4 years ago
Reply to  GCarty80

http://www.andywightman.com/docs/churchill.pdf Winston Churchill Speech made to the House of Commons on May 4, 1909. LAND MONOPOLY is not the only monopoly, but it is by far the greatest of monopolies — it is a perpetual monopoly, and it is the mother of all other forms of monopoly. Unearned increments in land are not the only form of unearned or undeserved profit, but they are the principal form of unearned increment, and they are derived from processes which are not merely not beneficial, but positively detrimental to the general public. Land, which is a necessity of human existence, which is the original source of all wealth, which is strictly limited in extent, which is fixed in geographical position — land, I say, differs from all other forms of property, and the immemorial customs of nearly every modern state have placed the tenure, transfer, and obligations of land in a wholly different category from other classes of property. Nothing is more amusing than to watch the efforts of land monopolists to claim that other forms of property and increment are similar in all respects to land and the unearned increment on land. They talk of the increased profits of a doctor or… Read more »

GCarty80
GCarty80
4 years ago

Which is one reason why a land value tax would be such a good idea: it doesn’t just go after the most zero-sum winner-take-all variety of “wealth” (and one which is easily valued and cannot be hidden or stashed abroad), but it also indirectly taxes away the economic rents collected by the owners of other winner-take-all assets.

When Churchill made this speech the vast majority of the population were private tenants and the main obstacle to taxing land rent came from the not-yet-neutered House of Lords, while today the issue is more that the Tories figured out they needed to let enough people in on the racket (eg with Right to Buy) to keep themselves in power.

TheyLiveAndWeLockdown
4 years ago
Reply to  GCarty80

Oh the racket is going strong…

Just look at help to land bank buy

Land Prices now 10 times earnings when they used to be 2-2,5 times… That’s real inflation and the biggest of the big lies is that it’s a good thing!

SilentP
SilentP
4 years ago

NUDGING

Thought provoking article from Patrick Fagan. It raises important issues that ought to be given a high profile to bring about change.

We are still constantly bombarded with Covid messaging to which almost no-one will give conscious attention any more.

However our subconscious will be registering them each time.

I was in Tesco yesterday and the broadcast message went on for so long that it did register and I actually told the tannoy to f off.

Time for a campaign to get this messaging removed?

Hugh
Hugh
4 years ago
Reply to  SilentP

Ah, the man who took us out of the EU, supposedly. I fancy he won’t be getting a knighthood

I notice “mater” is different from “pater”…

karenovirus
4 years ago
Reply to  SilentP

That excellent article “Be Safe, or Else” appeared yesterday on LS, I was particularly taken by the two Behavioralists who tried to raise their children according to their theory, they both attempted suicide (the parents presumably), one succeeded.

Annie
4 years ago
Reply to  karenovirus

No, the children. Being brought up by nutters who denied them awareness of, and the following of, every natural instinct.

steve_w
4 years ago
Reply to  karenovirus

raising your children according to the latest fashionable theory – rather than whats worked for a million years

BeBopRockSteady
4 years ago
Reply to  steve_w

Gabor Mate is a superb speaker on parenthood for me. He basically says “just be there”. Especially in the early years 1 to 5. Keep routine and always hug them when they cry. That’s it in the smallest of nutshells.

Most of his patients have psychological issues he says he almost always traces back to childhood trauma.

steve_w
4 years ago

I have 2 girls, 6 and 8. I have only seen them cry a couple of times ever.

I think my 70 part lecture series on Greek Stoicism which is our family Friday nights might be bearing fruit.

TheyLiveAndWeLockdown
4 years ago
Reply to  SilentP

http://houseofdumb.blogspot.com/2021/04/theyre-not-handcuffs-theyre-freedom.html Seriously, us sane people are already hanging on like Charlton Heston in The Omega Man without having our own side using nonsense phrases like ‘vaccine passports’. No, they’re not ‘vaccine passports’, they’re ‘life licences’. Literally everything you want to do will be subject to government approval.  Forget talking about Henry VIII, Oliver Cromwell or whoever your preferred villain from British history is, none of these guys insisted you needed their OK to drop into the local tavern or buy some turnips.  Once this system is in place it’s all over. And no, the government is not spending tens of billions on a system that they will scrap after a year. Surely everyone now realises that the constant stream of new strains – Brazillian! South African! Atlantian! – are just prepping the ground for them to wheel out new threats every time anyone suggests removing restrictions? Of course, they say it’s all about muh saving lives except spending tens of billions on almost any other area of healthcare would save actual lives, not merely theoretical lives saved from the Fijian, Chilean or Nigerian strains. Overhauling our shambolic cancer and maternity sectors alone would save 10x the lives these life licences would save, and they’d… Read more »

Milo
Milo
4 years ago
Reply to  SilentP

yes, if I see the TV advert telling me to “join the millions” who have already got their jab (like it is some kind of cool club, after all millions of people can’t be wrong can they?) one more time I am liable to throw something heavy and damaging at my TV.

TheyLiveAndWeLockdown
4 years ago

The Con is a full on health (and green) fascist mag.

I’ll bet they get some Gates money.

Phil Shannon
4 years ago

ITEM: The Conversation – Would Australians Support Mandates For The Covid-19 Vaccine? Our Research Suggests Most Would. A whopping 73% of Australians would have supported mandatory Covid vaccination “for work, travel and study” back in 2020, says the survey. Terrify your citizens with tales of Corona doom, and promote the vaccines as the white knight, and what would you expect but majority support for illiberal de facto compulsory vaccination via discriminatory vaxx passports. Although that frightening percentage is down to 54% in January 2021, they add, the majority are still in favour of a vaxx passport to effectively force vaccination on people. The authors do not mention coerced medical intervention, and how unethical this is, but that is what vaxx passports are – ‘No freedom for you!’ unless you give us your healthy body’s DNA for experimentation. The authors’ silence on this issue is, alas, in keeping with academia’s dismal performance during the whole Covid saga. The public outreach organ of academia, The Conversation, in particular, is a dependable cell of academic Covid hysteria. For example, their 2020 survey also looked at the proportion of the population who would have the vaccine, finding a 30% ‘hesitancy’ rate, a figure which they say is “unfortunate” but they… Read more »

karenovirus
4 years ago
Reply to  Phil Shannon

They should rephrase the question

“Would you support the compulsory experimentation with untested gene altering serums on all Australians including your children?”

steve_w
4 years ago
Reply to  karenovirus

A straw poll of people I know who have had the vaccine…

100% are fanatically against it being given to children under any circumstances

BeBopRockSteady
4 years ago
Reply to  steve_w

Are people in your circle talking about it even? I find they just put everything to the back of their mind now, until it is too late of course.

steve_w
4 years ago

only when I ask them

J4mes
4 years ago

Government response to a petition demanding: “End all requirements to wear face coverings immediately” doesn’t cite scientific reasoning for wearing them, they just tell us we ‘must’ wear them.

Here’s a snip:

Everyone must continue to minimise the risk of further COVID-19 waves. The best way remains the wearing of face coverings together with regular hand-washing, social distancing and fresh air.

The Government is asking the public to continue to play their part and wear face coverings in order to help fight the spread of the virus, particularly as we follow the Road Map and more of the economy and society opens up. The more we all do to reduce the spread of the virus, the quicker life can return to normal.

The closest it gets to suggesting this rule is based on science is later on when they say:

There is evidence to suggest that, when used correctly, face coverings may reduce the likelihood of someone with the infection passing it on to others, particularly if they are asymptomatic.

They do not provide any supportive evidence anywhere in their response. Notice however, the devious inclusion of the ‘asymptomatic’ lie they enjoy peddling…

HelenaHancart
HelenaHancart
4 years ago
Reply to  J4mes

I received this too. Same old, same old…dreary and predictable rhetoric, just like the responses I get from MP. Got to keep peddling that message through, though. Got an agenda to follow. How many times did they shoehorn in “spread of the virus”?

Lucan Grey
4 years ago
Reply to  J4mes

It’s this bit that is the important point.

“The British Retail Consortium has said that together with other social distancing measures, face coverings can make shoppers feel even more confident about returning to the high street.”

Essentially the gullible are the ones more likely to respond to the “spend money” marketing message put out by Retail establishments, and they are the ones most likely to want to wear masks to feel “safe” because they are easily brainwashed.

Those are the people that the shops desperately want back.

Hence it continues – for the same reason salt is Kosher and meat is Halal.

karenovirus
4 years ago
Reply to  Lucan Grey

The gullible are the ones who want you and I and everyone else to wear masks so it makes Them feel “safe”.

peyrole
peyrole
4 years ago
Reply to  Lucan Grey

£1.6Bn and growing spend with OmniCom gets you a lot of consistent messaging throughout society and the economy. The money is spent and keeps being added to, its not going away, there is no end in sight to the psyop.

Brett_McS
4 years ago

If the supposed 73% of Australians who favour vaccine mandates were to get the vaccine themselves, then that would basically achieve the level required for herd immunity. Assuming these vaccines work. Of course if they don’t the mandates make no sense either.

eastender53
4 years ago

If the BBC is bad then Global Radio is orders of magnitude worse. Their only excuse is that they are simply selling advertising space, but given they would probably reject certain adverts they clearly agree with the messaging.

According to one piece of Government propaganda messaging ‘around 1 in 3 people have Covid and are spreading it without knowing’. 20+ million asymptomatic ‘cases’? That’s Ferguson magnitude. The same drivel pushes the ‘self test twice a week’ bullshit. They have to keep the ‘cases’ coming I suppose.

Hot on the heels of this we have an equally nauseating Cruise Line advert. Appealing no doubt to the Zoom and Latte brigade who have not lost their jobs, businesses or sanity to the predations of Johnson, Hancock, et al. I can think of nothing worse than being cooped up on a ship with flocks of sheeple, all snatching bites of ‘5 star cuisine’ through briefly lowered masks and then walking the statutory 2m apart around the deck, accompanied by their no doubt jabbed larva.

No if someone was to offer an all inclusive (torpedoes) action holiday on board an attack submarine I’d have to seriously consider it!