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Hugh
Hugh
4 years ago

“SAGE warns”. I thought the justification for restrictions was to stop their NHS being overwhelmed. It is not being overwhelmed and will be fine until winter when it always struggles. That has never been reason for human rights abuses and rules on hugging before though. It’s time SAGE (or is it a CCP proxie?) stopped running this country.

Hugh
Hugh
4 years ago
Reply to  Hugh

Hmm, maybe we should shut ourselves away from nasty Indian and Brazilian menaces permanently, like the native Americans used to be – and hope that no conquistadors come along. Then again, maybe not! I worry what will come of New Zealand’s isolationism though.

karenovirus
4 years ago
Reply to  Hugh

While obviously I have sympathy for my actual and cultural antipodean cousins they will just have to take the consequences when the looming disaster of their foolhardy isolation responses become clear.
Let us hope that we are able to assist them in their inevitable hour of need.

Rowan
Rowan
4 years ago
Reply to  karenovirus

Let them suffer, TINA applies.

karenovirus
4 years ago
Reply to  Hugh

Daily Mail commenters on that article, both newest and most popular, are generally ‘shut up/go away SAGE’ or ‘I don’t care’ while several of the least popular ( most of which I still maintain are fake intended to boil the piss of other readers) mention extension of Their Furlough as reason for extending lockdown.

Hugh
Hugh
4 years ago
Reply to  karenovirus

Ah yes, “vaccines significantly reduce onward transmission”. And if we knuckle under, they will soon stop all respiratory deaths. And if we will only put our trust in SAGE guidance, death and infection will eventually be a thing of the past.

“Furlough as reason for extending lockdown”. Definition of taking the p…? Mind you, haven’t governments and central banks been doing pretty much the same with quantitative easing. As I say, sooner or later the money will run out, or at any rate this will lead to some sort of rerun of the 1930’s and our current lifestyle becoming unaffordable. People assume this sort of thing only happens to places like North Korea. I wonder. The Greek tragedy would have been unthinkable at one time (and I bet there’s evidence for this).

I think the bottom line through all the heat and anger is that politics and money and vested interests have seriously corrupted science. Is there a comparison of genuinely independent scientists (if we accept the notion of such a thing) with the likes of SAGE and people funded by Bill Gates?

karenovirus
4 years ago
Reply to  Hugh

That equivalence had never occured to me Hugh, Quantitative Easing as State Furlough, brilliant.

Dave Angel Eco Warrier
Dave Angel Eco Warrier
4 years ago
Reply to  karenovirus

MailOnLine comments are hard to judge. On one hand they appear largely anti-lockdown but as soon as it suggested of old normal is mentioned the comments are very much opposed to it. It appears some aspects of lockdown appeal to a lot of people – tailored lockdown? I am not saying new working practises are a bad thing overall but there will always be a knock-on effect at some point which I hope will not be detrimental to society as a whole.

HelenaHancart
HelenaHancart
4 years ago
Reply to  Hugh

Saying that, apparently A&E and hospitals are getting very busy…due adverse drug reactions to the vaccines. My brother had to go to A&E recently. He said that there were three people waiting with suspected blood clots. Yesterday’s UK Column reported on this too.

TheyLiveAndWeLockdown
4 years ago
Reply to  Hugh

Removing liberties, especially for the convenience of bureaucrats, has never been a sensible idea.

karenovirus
4 years ago

But always a prevalent one whichever country, regime or indeed Century.

karenovirus
4 years ago

Cheer yourself up Freidrich and read the comments (see my response to Hugh above), the Mail readers are not taken in at all.

karenovirus
4 years ago

“A Covid Bounce” Toby Young.
Nice summary by Toby about how the government has taken advantage of Tsunamis of tax paid Covid fear propaganda from the start and will continue to do so.

5 years of blanket pro Winston Churchill coverage by BBC Radio, cinema newsreels and the entire press didn’t do him any good once WW2 had ended.
People decided they had other priorities and perhaps may do so again.

RickH
4 years ago
Reply to  karenovirus

the government has taken advantage”

Let’s tell it as it is – they haven’t ‘taken advantage’. They’ve manufactured it.

karenovirus
4 years ago
Reply to  RickH

I wouldn’t necessarily disagree but are you suggesting they had cooked up the first media barrage weeks before Covid was made into an issue?
Perhaps that was what bozo was doing down in Chequers instead of attending COBRA meetings.

karenovirus
4 years ago

There will not be a Third Wave despite the gloomiest modellers says Sarah Knapton in the Telegraph.

Yes there will be Sarah, it will start sometime in the Autumn as the seasonal return (which has been spoken of here at LS for 12 months or so); might be serious, could be mild, just depends but they won’t be able to model it either way since they don’t know on what it depends.

Hugh
Hugh
4 years ago
Reply to  karenovirus

I’m assuming excessive sanitising (which was bad enough anyway) and the like could be a problem for next week. And if the “vaccines” are as dodgy as they seem…

karenovirus
4 years ago
Reply to  Hugh

From personal observation hand sanitising had gone the way of frankincense and myrrh, available for those who want it but largely ignored.
As previously mentioned I recently spent an unexpected overnight at EMU in hospital, there might have been sanitizer stations around but I didn’t notice and nobody asked me to.

Yesterday my taxi driver recognised me as mask ‘exempt’ but went on to say that ever more people are getting in his cab claiming ‘exemption’ which obviously he has to take at face value.
Except for one guy who said “im exempt because I’ve had both jabs”. The driver didn’t like him so insisted that was not a valid exemption and made him wear one, LOL.

RickH
4 years ago
Reply to  karenovirus

I hope his observation is correct.

Rowan
Rowan
4 years ago
Reply to  Hugh

The vaccines are a lot more dodgy than they seem, we ain’t seen nothing yet.

Hugh
Hugh
4 years ago
Reply to  Hugh

next winter, rather!

Brett_McS
4 years ago

The dam has some cracks in it:
A hospital finally relents after refusing, for three days, a judges order to treat a Covid patient with Ivermectin, at her daughter’s request.
The mother is showing signs of improvement. The family is now suing the hospital for contempt of court (because this is America, but also so they damn well should).

https://www.fox32chicago.com/news/elmhurst-hospital-still-refuses-to-treat-covid-19-patient-with-ivermectin-after-judges-order

karenovirus
4 years ago
Reply to  Brett_McS

And it’s on Fox, the most widely viewed US Cable TV network, easily beating CBS, CNN and the other one.

RickH
4 years ago
Reply to  Brett_McS

The judiciary in the US has never been ‘independent’ – it’s closely tied to politics.

The difference is the lack of constitutional protection of liberty in the UK. In order to sue, you have to have grounds.

We’ve always had this image of nothing going amiss in Brenda and Phil’s kingdom, because it’s all so nice and reasonable.

which was always bullshit – as we now see revealed.

karenovirus
4 years ago

“How did SAGE get it so wrong?” Spectator

We all know how the got it so wrong, their models were crap, with at least 15 years backstory of being crap, and SAGE was largely comprised of the wrong sorts of Expert, nerds who loved seeing themselves on the telly.
Sadly once bozo had hung his coat on their hook it became ever increasingly difficult to get off it and he has been trapped with them and their obviously crap advice ever since.

I see no way out of his difficulty (as if I care for his problems); perhaps he could announce Covid Victory, thank them for their efforts and send them out to grass with a few gongs. Followed by hiring signatories of GBD to assist in what is a completely new situation ?

karenovirus
4 years ago

‘The Bureau of Investigative Journalism’ (who they?) “Can reveal that home care deaths increased by 50% during Pandemic”

Apart from wrongly blaming the Pandemic rather than lockdown the ‘BoIJ’ could have saved themselves a lot of trouble by glancing at LS once in while where this has been reported and commented on, in great detail, continuously for the past year.

karenovirus
4 years ago

‘Are Mhegan Markles claims correct?’ Telegraph.

Mhegans qualifications are what precisely?

karenovirus
4 years ago

“Berliners go out as Covid regulations are lifted for vaccinated and recovered”. Der Welt.

Delightful account of the new found freedoms granted to certain classes of citizens without mentioning that those who choose not to be vaccinated continue to have their Civil Rights seriously curtailed until they submit to ‘non mandatory’ experimental genome altering experimentation.

George Morris
George Morris
4 years ago

Yes it’s all over bar the shouting – except in Moray, where we have been spared anything more than a mild brush with the disease up to now. Suddenly we have an infection (case?) rate as high as anything in the country and almost as high as we had in January. It is confined to the city of Elgin and the corridor towards Lossiemouth. They are already talking about retaining the current level of lockdown past the scheduled downgrade date. Are we immunologically naive and now suffering the inevitable catch up phase? Is it the cold weather (in which case why does it not affect Aberdeenshire)? Is it children from the local posh school returning from India? The good news is that there have been no deaths in Moray for months. Something rather similar happened on the Isle of Wight during the Kent Variant surge. There is much we don’t know about this disease. Oh – and there is a nasty sicky bug going round…… but I can still smell burnt toast so it’s not COV

TheTartanEagle
TheTartanEagle
4 years ago
Reply to  George Morris

Military base, new influx, new range of bugs of all types spread around shops and schools. 2.5 – 3 yr posting rotation of the military presumably brings in a new range of bugs to boost the locals immunity range. The posh school has lots of international pupils, too. More likely a new bunch of people at the base being forced to test, so perhaps a testademic unless you can see coffins piled in the street and the undertakers purchasing new vehicles. Outbreak of sniffles at my child’s school when they went back, but nobody tested so all was fine……

Just about sane
4 years ago
Reply to  George Morris
Hugh
Hugh
4 years ago
Reply to  George Morris

Gordonstoun? Some interesting people have been to that school…

Adamb
4 years ago

Indian cases peaked? If so, will be interesting to see how lockdown fanatics explain it.

Adamb
4 years ago
Reply to  Adamb

True, although they’re having a go at the ‘lethal black fungus that rots organs’ story first.

Dame Lynet
Dame Lynet
4 years ago

The erstwhile ‘pandemic fortress’ of the Isle of Man, very much closer to home for us (home at present for me), is now having to face up to the economic reality and consequences of such hubristic insanity and should serve as a lesson. Such places will stagnate as younger, economically active people necessarily move away in order to live their lives as freely as they can.

We have now finally moved to ‘mitigation’, but the damage is done and the population well and truly covid-cowed, so much so that talk of the TT coming back bigger and better next year is laughable unless they get rid of masks, testing, distancing, tracing and all the rest of it, and people can just get on the boat and come over as they used to.

After all, how can you possibly host such a thing as motorcycle road racing, marketing it as one of the last bastions of free-spirited, edge of danger sport, while keeping all the bedwetter gubbins?

RickH
4 years ago
Reply to  Dame Lynet

… and it predictably didn’t work, either.

HelenaHancart
HelenaHancart
4 years ago

The thing is to us, it is old news. We’ve heard it all before. They played out the “disaster” scenario last year with the squashed lens photos of people daring to enjoy themselves on the beach…And nothing happened. Only the severely brainwashed with two second memories will feel threatened by these headlines.

thedarkhorse
4 years ago

I wish Wales would make up its damned mind about visiting-rules. I’d like to meet up with our son over there, go for a walk and then go inside at home for a simple cup of tea, but he says no-one is allowed to enter indoors yet. There’s no bloody UK-wide co-ordination. Trouble with him is he’s a rule-follower; if he was more like me he’d say stuff it and just ignore it all.

DanClarke
DanClarke
4 years ago
Reply to  thedarkhorse

Madness

RickH
4 years ago
Reply to  thedarkhorse

Yes – yours is a widespread problem. We have observed none of the rules about mixing, from the start, and we have a range of family and friends who similarly haven’t given a toss. But the constraint is that of the brainwashed who actually do take this seriously.

DanClarke
DanClarke
4 years ago

We need to forget about the new WMD called Covid, we are now into the Control phase, covid has done its job

J4mes
4 years ago

I had planned to donate towards Big Brother Watch, but after spending a little time on their website, I quickly became suspicious of them. The penny dropped when I saw Open Society is one of their big donors. Anyone who knows anything about the notorious Gyorgy Schwartz, better known as Bond villain, George Soros, would not trust a single thing ‘his’ dirty money touches.

EDIT: If by chance you don’t know who Soros is, check out his WEF page: https://www.weforum.org/agenda/authors/georgesoros

TheyLiveAndWeLockdown
4 years ago
Reply to  J4mes

The Quantum Fund of Soros wasn’t a good Bond film though.

RickH
4 years ago

China will draw a “separation line” atop Mount Everest to prevent the coronavirus from being spread by climbers ascending Nepal’s side of the mountain, AP news reports. Is this peak hysteria?”

If true (not entirely likely!) this would actually be the Chinese taking the piss.

If not true, it is an example of the press agencies taking the piss.

Either way – you can bet the gullible knuckle-draggers will be swallowing it in droves.

DanClarke
DanClarke
4 years ago
Reply to  RickH

China already think our politicians are gullible knuckle-draggers, who would trash their economies because a child called Greta told them to

TheyLiveAndWeLockdown
4 years ago

“How did SAGE get it so wrong?” – Writing in the Spectator, Prof. Philip Thomas explains the gap between what the SAGE’s models predicted and what actually occurred

Those models from IC have NEVER GOTTEN ANYTHING RIGHT!

karenovirus
4 years ago

“China draws Covid ‘Separation Line’ on peak of Mount Everest”.

Can two people both be on the peak of Mount Everest and maintain 6 feet of Social Distancing?
I’ve never been higher than Ben Nevis where it would be quite easy since the ‘peak’ is rather an extensive plateau.

RickH
4 years ago

people might fall down if they get up.” 

A nice analogy for the ‘safety button’ that people love to press.

One might take it further – slap any child that tries to walk : it’s dangerous.

J4mes
4 years ago

I can not agree with Mark Dolan when he says: “All this will be forgiven, not forgotten, if it never happens again”.

First of all, we’re not out of this by any stretch. The drop in ‘cases’ and deaths with C19 are seasonal – this WILL ramp back up again in the autumn, and the government/Sage will have many other tricks up their sleeves to keep us under control in the meantime.

And for argument sake, let’s say total normality does get restored in the next month; without punishment of the perpetrators and collaborators of this insidious crime, they will most certainly will do it again but even stronger and more punishing.

Only a fool would walk away from this, thankful of their returned freedoms and offering a pardon to those who took their freedom away in the first place. The real world does not work like that!

J4mes
4 years ago
Reply to  J4mes

Yes, unless people understand that when Johnson talks about a roadmap, he’s talking about navigation into the next phase. I do believe C19 will ‘strike again’ in the autumn just to get the country back under full control leading up to Christmas (which they will find a way to ban again). I believe this summer will be the big breath before the deep plunge. They’re psychologically torturing people. In my opinion, these people should be locked up and never see the light of day again.

karenovirus
4 years ago
Reply to  J4mes

I don’t think it’s really about ‘control’ for SAGE members, they don’t control anything except very incidentally; as individuals it’s more about boosting their egos by being on telly and boosting their wallets with the resulting fat fees.

DanClarke
DanClarke
4 years ago
Reply to  J4mes

I’ll forgive you if you don’t do it again, reminds me of mother

RickH
4 years ago
Reply to  J4mes

I fear you’re right, Frederick.

My grandchildren are being subjected to lateral flow testing, eventho’ there is no Covid about in the real sense. Confirmatory PCR testing is also inflicted. As the informed (here) know, such procedures are pointless and useless ritual magic.

A clear breach of the Nuremberg principles.

And this is a reasonable school in many other respects.

karenovirus
4 years ago
Reply to  RickH

‘Nuremberg’ is gaining traction in Daily Mail comments but I rather think they are referring to the death sentences for leading nazis.

Julian
4 years ago
Reply to  J4mes

There cannot be forgiveness without repentance, and there will be no repentance.

TheFascistCoronaFraud
TheFascistCoronaFraud
4 years ago
Reply to  J4mes

“And for argument sake, let’s say total normality does get restored in the next month;”

The long term issues associated with the gene based “vaccines” means that this can never happen, a chain reaction has been initiated, and the effects of this could be felt for deacdes and generations to come

DanClarke
DanClarke
4 years ago

We appear to be in the ‘damage limitation’ phase now, by causing more damage

TheFascistCoronaFraud
TheFascistCoronaFraud
4 years ago

The Queen just announced further expansion of the 5G microwave and millimeter wave genocide and surveillance network.

I really hope the naysayers who sneer at people who point out this elephant in the room, similar to people who say geo-engineering is a conspiracy theory, can find it in themselves to start looking more closely at the documented, peer reviewed, established for decades, extremely serious health effects of wireless microwave and millimter wave radiation. They are ramping this crap up without so much as a “WTF?” from the dribbling masses.

Before anyone writes a snidey comment, please read this document first, hit some of the links, and then comment. Surely now, in the face of the overt criminality and genocidal nature of the Corona fraud, folk can find it in themselves to face up to the reality of this very serious situation we are in.

Published Scientific Research on 5G, Small Cells Wireless and Health

https://committees.parliament.uk/writtenevidence/2230/html/