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Brett_McS
4 years ago

Mike Graham: “The government seem only to be looking at the harm [to their political careers] caused by [exaggeration of the effects of] Covid rather than the harm caused by lockdown.”

It will take a reversal of attitudes for the harm caused by lockdown to destroy political careers, but it can happen. Check “preference cascade”.

karenovirus
4 years ago
Reply to  Brett_McS

Plenty of political careers were destroyed when Appeasement was abandoned but it took the nazi invasion of Poland to achieve that.
Rudolph Hess clearly did not understand that when he flew to Scotland to try to negotiate with the once influential Duke of Hamilton who by then was ‘out of the loop’.

The BBC and The Times were both supportive of Appeasement but they emerged unscathed.

If a Churchillian figure was to emerge to bring us out of Lockdown it’s hard to see how he could form a Government of National Unity as there is nobody in the opposition worthy of taking part.

RickH
4 years ago
Reply to  karenovirus

Your analogy isn’t pertinent, karenovirus. It’s now much, much worse in terms of ‘decision making’:

  1. Chamberlain actually had sound reasons for his naive choice, even if hindsight didn’t bear it out.
  2. There was a real political mechanism for the consequences of making the wrong decision
  3. I don’t think that Chamberlain was actually on Hitler’s side.
  4. Poland was invaded a year ago.
karenovirus
4 years ago
Reply to  RickH

I did not say that Chamberlain and other Appeasers were wrong, merely that many of their careers were finished once the policy was abandoned hence my reference to the Duke of Hamilton.

Two examples of not being ‘wrong’, had WW2 started over the Sudetenland the RAF would not have been anything like as strong as it was by the Battle of Britain and every Council run school in the country would not have had a reinforced ‘safe room’ constructed. Chamberlains government was not idle.

I would agree that there currently appears to be no political mechanism for the consequences of making 15 months of wrong decisions.

I used the ‘invasion of Poland’ as shorthand since everyone has at least heard of that !

iane
iane
4 years ago
Reply to  Brett_McS

Yes – if they are ever unable to extend furlough, there will be a very large number of angry jobless released to hit the streets!

J4mes
4 years ago
Reply to  Brett_McS

You seem to be approaching this from the ‘old normal’ mindset when people generally believed the public vote counted for something. Politicians are puppets and there’s no legitimate opposition within westminster.

karenovirus
4 years ago

“Almost a third of Covid deaths not caused by the virus” Telegraph.

‘33% died primarily of other causes. . . the virus simply being mentioned on the death certificate’.

I’ve been reporting Local Live (mirror group news) constant use of that weasel phrase on and off for about 9 months if their daily dirge of Covid doom and gloom had something new or topical to say.

Typically “Craptown in south Dullshire had the highest number of Coronovirus deaths with 16 cases where Covid was mentioned on the death certificate”.

The phrase was always intended to make whatever the situation was appear worse.

RickH
4 years ago
Reply to  karenovirus

“Almost a third of Covid deaths not caused by the virus” 

Probably an underestimate.

karenovirus
4 years ago

“G7 thrown into chaos by Covid” Telegraph.

They must be desperate, that the two members of the Indian party have been tested positive does not throw the meeting into chaos at all.
They are not a ‘Delegation’ but observers who can observe perfectly well on Zoom, indeed they could have done so back home in India.

Fingerache Philip
Fingerache Philip
4 years ago
Reply to  karenovirus

One rule for one,etc.

Annie
4 years ago

“An investigation conducted by the Alzheimer’s Society last summer, surveying more than 125 care homes, revealed 80 per cent saw a ‘deterioration in the health of their residents with dementia due to lack of social contact’.”

Eighty per cent. Eighty per cent.

‘First do no harm’, you sadistic, murdering fuckers.

wendy
wendy
4 years ago
Reply to  Annie

Annie thank you for highlighting this. That was last summer and still care home residents are being treated like prisoners. So long as they don’t tarnish the government by dying of covid they can die of isolation and loneliness after being separated from their desperate families for more than a year. I know as I am one of the desperate families … how do I reconcile not being able to support my poor dad in what might be his last year.

Annie
4 years ago
Reply to  wendy

Just don’t ever, ever blame yourself. You are your dad are both victims of the blackest, most evil crime of the century.
There will be a reckoning.

wendy
wendy
4 years ago
Reply to  Annie

The only thing being “kept safe” (how I detest those words) is the government’s reputation.

karenovirus
4 years ago

“The Covid deaths that are not caused by Covid” Spectator.

‘ONS figures for week ending 23rd April show . . . all deaths in England and Wales were 5.3 less than the 5 year average suggesting that the second wave of Covid is now over.’

Pity The Spectator did not choose to report last year when the same ONS figures for the 2nd week of June showed that fewer people died in London (all deaths) than the 5 year average. That continued to be the case and spread to the rest of the country in the following few weeks suggesting that the current outbreak of Covid was then over.

As someone pointed out here at LS it was clearly because you can’t die of Covid in March (2020) and then die of your underlying comorbidities in June (which was what would have happened statistically anyway).
I used this in conversation many times and most people seemed to get the point.

RickH
4 years ago
Reply to  karenovirus

I know I keep banging on about this issue – but anything below the ‘five year average’ is, in historical terms, incredibly low.

It is not a representative baseline at all.

Annie
4 years ago

“A recent article in The Lancetshowed that health-care workers in the United Kingdom who were swabbed every two weeks after vaccination demonstrated an 86 percent reduction in asymptomatic infection compared with unvaccinated individuals.”

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2021/02/vaccines-are-banishing-any-debate-about-reopening-schools/618155/

Really?Anybody seen this article? How did they measure this miraculous reduction in non-existent infections?

Monro
4 years ago

I just voted for the independent candidates.

What a pleasure!

Annie
4 years ago
Reply to  Monro

I just voted, maskless and smiling. No trouble at all.
Just hope the results will wipe the smirk off a few Fascist and Stalinist faces.

Hopeless
4 years ago
Reply to  Monro

Lucky you. In this part of Suffolk, for the County election, we have the usual trio. A goofy LibDem, a Labour unknown and the Tory hereditary incumbent who is utterly useless, and a stranger to truth. No sign of anyone else, and I did asked the Reform Party why they weren’t running anyone. As usual, the Greens reached an accommodation with the LDs for one or the other not to run. The last time we had a county run by a LibDem-Labour coalition, they upped the council tax in their first year by a double figure percentage.
A complete crock of s**t.

Monro
4 years ago
Reply to  Hopeless

Sorry to hear that. Utmost sympathy.

TJS123
TJS123
4 years ago
Reply to  Monro

I wanted to vote for an independent candidate for police commissioner but at the top of his list was “supporting the police to implement covid regulations”. So I didn’t. And there was nobody else worth voting for, so for the first time in years, I didn’t vote at all.

karenovirus
4 years ago

‘The Criminalisation of Dissent’
Off-Guardian.
Reports on the worrying trend of States starting to take sanctions against people simply for objecting to the Official Line.
They report that Germany, of all countries, is taking the lead with their security services monitoring Covid Deniers (who they ?) and anti vaxxers as though they were terrorists.

In my Google news feed yesterday* there was an article reporting that nice Mr Putin has just re-introduced an old Soviet set of laws that similarly criminalise criticism of the Regime and its policies. It used to start with accusations of ‘hooliganism’ and ended with people being sent to psychiatric hospitals for forced medication.

There was a discussion of this topic here at LS last year when a former Russian Citizen reader confirmed that it was acceptable to criticize unpopular individual politicians or failing policies but this was only to make people think they could ‘do something’ (Have Agency I believe to be the current phrase).

* Can’t find the article again because once read it disappears next time you go to Google news feed.

realarthurdent
4 years ago

Good morning all.
It’s a shame that it’s not possible in an election for all of the parties to lose.

Julian
4 years ago
Reply to  realarthurdent

Well if almost nobody voted for them it would be a moral defeat but more importantly people would realise there was room for new parties to fill the gap. Hitchens is right, IMO – we must stop voting for the least worst party and either abstain or, better, vote “none of the above” so it’s clear that the issue is not simple apathy.

iane
iane
4 years ago
Reply to  Julian

Yes – I had three local election papers. None of them allowed room for ‘None of the Above’ at the bottom, so I was forced to write None of These in limited gaps. Better than nothing, but not as good as AK47s!

RickH
4 years ago
Reply to  realarthurdent

I’ve always been an advocate of making a choice at elections, since not doing so essentially means you’re holding up a white flag and allowing a choice in which you have taken no effective part except to just whinge.

In previous circumstances, I would have held out against voter petulance being a useful strategy. I’ve never respected those who have come out with ‘They’re all the same’ or ‘All politicians are crooks’ etc. – lazy non-think. And, of course, that non-think and non-engagement actually lies behind allowing the fulfilment of current establishment political coup. That’s the irony.

But I confess that this year, I’m stumped – the difference being that we have crossed the borderline from flawed democracy to a totalitarian state, where choice has moved from being difficult to being non-existent. The first election in which I’ve not voted was that which gifted establishment Starmer the leadership of the Labour Party against no real alternative.

karenovirus
4 years ago
Reply to  RickH

It’s going to be hard to tell if bozos handling of covid/lockdown has had any effect on voting. Local Government elections always have low turnouts as do those for Police Commissioners; the Mayoral votes might be interesting in some areas.

karenovirus
4 years ago

See also in the roundup above, Germany leading the way in the criminalisation of dissent.
Coincidence ?

karenovirus
4 years ago

“Boris, stop frittering our money . . .” Mail+.

Emily Hill writes ‘Last year, when cases were soaring, Boris Johnson took to our TV screens, often with next to no warning,
to declare emergency measures.
So why does he not (now) say thanks folks the emergency is over – and it’s time to lift all the restrictions to avert economic oblivion?’

Johnson could have done that three weeks into Lockdown 1. and on numerous occasions since but avoided doing so being the coward that he is.
Sadly it’s now well past time to avert economic oblivion, Emily thinks our troubles amount to two trillion quid but it’s way worse than that.

ShropshireLass
4 years ago
Reply to  karenovirus

BJ couldn’t have lifted all restrictions because that would put a spanner in the works of the WEF’s Great Reset plans. It is all part of the re-conditioning process, whilst carefully introducing each step of the various plans that underpin the overarching strategy, which has been planned with meticulous care. By the time the masses wake up from their fear and propaganda induced comas, it will be far too late. They (and us dragged along with them if we do not triumph in our resistance) will be living the globalists Great Reset new normal.

karenovirus
4 years ago
Reply to  ShropshireLass

But we didn’t know that then; I came across various ‘conspiracy’ sites as the months wore on but was still putting our delayed release down to cowardice and bad politics until the start of Tiers For Fears when I started taking them more seriously.

TheyLiveAndWeLockdown
4 years ago
Reply to  karenovirus

Our 2 trillion of debt is 2 trillion of establishment credit.

Fingerache Philip
Fingerache Philip
4 years ago

I am a “Baby boomer” born in 1948 and witnessing the behaviour of (it seems to me) the majority of my fellow “boomers”; wearing face nappies in the open air,running away from anybody who dares to come within 10 yards and constantly repeating the mantras: ” you can’t be too careful” and “it’s the fault of the “young uns for mingling””, I think it might be time to call us, “Baby Doomers”.

wendy
wendy
4 years ago

Mhmm, that is interesting as where I live it’s the younger, left looking, people that are masked and the boomers and poor folks that seem to be showing dissent. I am in a greater Manchester inner city area and perhaps cities are different. When I have been to country towns there seems to be more swerving and mask wearing, I suppose it’s easier to identify someone as a stranger in a small town.

Noumenon
4 years ago
Reply to  wendy

I think it varies a lot from place to place and in some areas a “culture” of covidianism develops within a certain demographic, but it isn’t always the same demographic. Where I am it’s mixed.

chris c
chris c
4 years ago
Reply to  Noumenon

Yes, and also it has changed over time in the same place

RickH
4 years ago
Reply to  wendy

My perception is closer to yours, Wendy – or that there isn’t much difference.

Very little outdoors mask wearing now. I guess the incidence of idiocy varies quite a lot, however.

karenovirus
4 years ago
Reply to  RickH

Madness of crowds, perhaps it’s a locally based fashion thing.

Fingerache Philip
Fingerache Philip
4 years ago
Reply to  wendy

Actually, Wendy, I live in a small country town in Shropshire and the “Baby doomers” do seem to be fewer in number but if you travel to our nearest “sizeable” town (Kidderminster in North Worcestershire) it’s Baby Doomers” are very prevalent.
As you say, ” interesting”.

TheyLiveAndWeLockdown
4 years ago

Parents were called “the Greatest generation ” boomers have the greatest self-veneration.

No debt is too large to offload onto their kids.

Fingerache Philip
Fingerache Philip
4 years ago

Yes, TLAWL, Some of my generation (no all) are indeed, selfish.

RickH
4 years ago

… and I don’t see any ‘baby boomers’ in the Cabinet. Infants, yes – but not boomers. Maybe some would be an asset, looking at previous political participants?

RickH
4 years ago

Generalizations like this are a mark of a serous absence of brain matter.

karenovirus
4 years ago

Serbia to pay citizens €25.00 to take vaccine. Euronews.

So now Covid is so dangerous the State has to bribe people to allow it to make them safe.
Serb President Aleksandar Vucic said it was ‘irresponsible and selfish’ not to be vaccinated, although he ruled out any restrictions.



But the President did announce that public sector employees who have not been vaccinated would no longer be eligible for sick pay if they contract Covid 19.’

I believe that is called the carrot and stick approach though interestingly Euronews reports that the measures are being taken amid waning public interest (in vaccines) and “Growing Skepticism”👍 YAY !

wendy
wendy
4 years ago
Reply to  karenovirus

I wonder from a legal perspective if the state has paid you to take a medical treatment and it goes wrong what the consequences mights be.

It is very bizarre to have to bribe your citizens to take a medical treatment which they are saying they do not want.

J4mes
4 years ago

Can anyone verify whether the MSM on TV or otherwise have started trying to suggest women who have a bad reaction to the ‘vaccine’ in terms of their menstrual cycle are actually having bad reactions to tampons?

ShropshireLass
4 years ago

The Criminalisation of Dissent (Round Up) is worth reading – and keeping in mind as we continue to fight for our rights, freedom and resist the ‘New Normal’ (I’m definitely NOT advocating we passively acquiesce, just that we act cautiously, even though we are not in Germany as the author is. Remember, the UK is formally signed up as a lead WEF partner and the PM and key cabinet members are all committed to delivering the Great Reset as their WEF conference speeches and other documents clearly indicate.

peyrole
peyrole
4 years ago
Reply to  ShropshireLass

Yes, CJ Hopkins writes some excellent pieces for Off Guardian.

ShropshireLass
4 years ago

If you do some research on Reuters they are a key World Economic Forum member (as is the WHO). A key director of their board is also a senior Gates employee. They did an appallingly false smear and hatchet job on Dr Mike Yeadon when he challenged something they printed. View this source with great suspicion and distrust.

RickH
4 years ago
Reply to  ShropshireLass

Yes. Reuters, like other agencies, is part of the global establishment press.

TheRevNed
TheRevNed
4 years ago

“The ‘Covid deaths’ which are not caused by Covid” – “We have become conditioned to hearing frightening daily death figures,” writes Ross Clark, commenting on the ONS figures for the Spectator, but “the wider picture is of overall mortality running only slightly ahead of a normal year”

In other words, this too is a normal year. “Slight” variations are absolutely normal. Greater than slight variations are absolutely normal.

To hell with all this getting back to normal rubbish – we’re already at normal.

What we desperately need is for our political rulers to get back in touch with reality, and end their psychotic war on liberal democracy.

RickH
4 years ago
Reply to  TheRevNed

What’s a ‘normal’ year, FFS ? It certainly isn’t any of the previous 10 if the word has any meaning at all (which is doubtful)! Mortality has had a generally declining trend, which has flattened out and begun to rise again – it is never stable.

RickH
4 years ago

The Times reports that Flu and Pneumonia are killing more people than Covid”

This may be seized upon as ‘good news’ from the sceptical point of view.

But note the subliminal message – that the mortality caused by ‘Covid’ is known.

It isn’t, never has been, never will be. But is probably about 20% of that reported.

Fingerache Philip
Fingerache Philip
4 years ago

The bank of England announces that the economy is set to grow at fastest rate for 70 years when lockdown ends in June????
DRRRRRR, When the economy has been destroyed and flat on it’s back(It might have saved one life) there is only one bloody way it can go!: UP.
Mind you, how long it takes to recover is another thing.

TheBluePill
4 years ago

The thicko hacks have adapted their coronavirus misinformation skills – just like how the scary summer r-rate, when applied to fuck-all prevalence, results in an absolute increase of fuck-all “cases”.

Fingerache Philip
Fingerache Philip
4 years ago
Reply to  TheBluePill

You said it, BP.

Noumenon
4 years ago

Which part of the economy? The billionaire corporate tax-dodging part?

Fingerache Philip
Fingerache Philip
4 years ago
Reply to  Noumenon

You also said it,N.