NHS Mobile App Will Be Used as Covid Vaccine Passport for International Travel
The NHS mobile app, through which people currently book GP appointments, will be used as a Covid vaccine passport when international travel returns. The date of return remains uncertain: Transport Secretary Grant Shapps said we must “wait and see” if May 17th continues to be viable. The Guardian has the story.
International travellers will be asked to demonstrate their Covid vaccination and testing status using the NHS smartphone app, the U.K. Government has confirmed, as the Transport Secretary promised to release a list of possible holiday destinations within a fortnight.
Grant Shapps said work had started on developing the app many people use to book appointments with their GPs so that it can show whether they have been vaccinated and tested for the virus.
But he was coy about when people would be able to start travelling abroad for holidays in interviews on Wednesday morning, saying the public would have to “wait and see” when they could go to some of the most popular foreign holiday destinations.
“Spain specifically, I’m afraid I just don’t have the answer to that because the Joint Biosecurity Centre will need to come up with their assessment and we can’t do that until a bit nearer the time,” he told Times Radio.
Speaking to Sky News, Shapps said he would be able to announce within a fortnight which countries people would be able to visit without needing to quarantine when they returned and added that domestic coronavirus statistics were on track for the Government to enable the resumption of foreign holidays next month.
“I have to say that so far the data does continue to look good from a U.K. perspective, notwithstanding those concerns about where people might be travelling to and making sure we’re protected from the disease being reimported.”
He added: “We do need to make sure that we do this very, very carefully… But, in the next couple of weeks, I’ll come back on and I’ll be able to tell you about which countries will have made it into the traffic light system – and that green list in particular.”
He said the green list would include the “countries where you’ll be able to go to, without needing to quarantine on your return, you will still need to take a pre-departure test, and one test on your return”.
Further doubt was cast on our ability to resume travel on May 17th last week when it was reported that the Foreign Office could refuse to sanction travel to countries on the Government’s “green” and “amber” lists since its travel advice is published independently of the “traffic light” system.
The Guardian’s report is worth reading in full.
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International travel won’t be available any time soon so I won’t be too concerned about the app (which i don’t have anyway). The mass travel industry is dead, the aircraft have been sitting around for a year now so they will require servicing, testing, inspecting and given a certificate of airworthiness. This will take time and money. Airline and travel companies are going bust and or in financial straights, they will not be spending money getting their fleets operational unless there’s certainty there isn’t another lockdown (panic over India springs to mind).
Virgin Atlantic have filed for chapter 15, Cathay Pacific and Flybe are 2 airlines that have gone and there are others.
Actual passport expired in Feb, doesn’t seem any point shelling out for a new one anytime soon
Some are still managing to travel, just not your ordinary chap.
Agreed mostly but, to be fair, Flybe had ceased operating a month or so before Covid turned up.
Great Reset demands 99% of air travel is eliminated
Naomi Wolf, a former political advisor to the Clinton government, gives a stark warning about where this is all heading in her evidence to Reiner Fuellmich of the German Corona Committee.
https://brandnewtube.com/watch/naomi-wolf-at-the-international-covid-investigative-committee-with-reiner-fuellmich_VLZnTwpoiwPiBcb.html
Here it is then, they are busting through the Nuremburg code.
Nadhim Zahawi is talking nonsense. Giving “informed consent” before allowing the Covid vaccines to be injected into their bodies body isn’t happening, because if people were properly informed, there would be virtually no takers for these dangerous experimental products.
People are meant to be given all the necessary information, told they’re particularly in a clinical trial and given a choice to join or not, plus be assigned a research nurse to do monitoring and follow up. None of that’s happening. What the government and NHS are doing is probably illegal.
Worst case model had to be used to enable scare4grants institute to lie.
https://phys.org/news/2021-04-benefits-astrazeneca-covid-vaccine-outweigh.html
No seasonal effect included, just curve fitting for grants.
Remember how Lord Sumption was berated for using QALYs as a measure for how we shouldn’t need to lockdown young folk unaffected from Covid?
Well that study uses the same utilitarian arguments to justify use of the AZ vaccine. Fair enough, but lack of logical consistency engenders a lack of integrity and trust in my view.
A foreign holiday is for two weeks a year.
Vaccines are for your whole life.
Choose life. Not vaccine passports.
True, but there are many in the UK with close family and friends abroad. I feel for them. They have a hard choice, because seeing close family and friends is very important.
Yes, absolutely. They are in a difficult position if they are opposed to vaccination. But if everyone opposes them, they won’t happen at all. Tourism will collapse and that will topple governments in Spain, Italy, Turkey, Greece, France.
Jab takeup is high enough for vaccine passports for foreign travel to be workable
Everyone isn’t opposing them. The majority are falling for it hook, line and sinker. We will be treated as dissidents and outcasts for refusing to go along with the tyranny.
Perhaps in the UK – so far – amongst the over 60s. But what younger people? what about the rest of Europe, the US?
All the under 50 muppets I work with are loudly celebrating their invitations to take their poison.
Quite a few I know, had their jabs, and can’t wait to get their vax passports so they can go on holiday. They’ve even booked them up, the deluded fools. Given up trying to explain anything to them, they are totally switched off to the fact that this a very dark road to tyranny, because they “want their holidsys, innit?” But apparently I’m the selfish one for not wanting my jibjabs…
Yes, most of the people I know have been vaccinated “in order to travel”. It is basically bullying. I am not going to get the vaccine and don’t even have a mobile phone but I do take trains around Europe. Have booked my train journey in the summer. Wondering how this will work – but it has to!
Vaccines are for life? 1. the so called vaccine isn’t a vaccine and 2. aren’t they saying you’ll need boosters for ever more?
Nobody will need a booster shot, because none of these vaccines have anything to do with preventing infection with, or transmission of Covid-19, whatever it really is.
For the “vaccine” recipient, there is only a downside, which will bring illness and death to most over the coming months and years. Clearly some will have more resistance than others and so the booster shots will be engineered to take care of those recalcitrants who refuse to die the first time around.
Of course they will make life very hard for the vaccine refuseniks, but there is no other sensible or honourable option.
“For the “vaccine” recipient, there is only a downside, which will bring illness and death to most over the coming months and years. ”
Maybe. We don’t yet know, hence why we’re not rushing to get vaccinated.
i ll never get their ‘vaccine’ i think there are more of us out there than we know [ just not the people we know now ] but we are out there . i keep searching for fellow non sheep and have met a few
What I mean is, once the vaccine is inside you, you can’t take it out or undo its effects, whatever they are.
Foreign holidays are only for “2 weeks a year” if you’re stuck in the 1980s.
Many people go away 3,4 or 5 times a year, sometimes for weekend trips, sometimes for longer.
A foreign holiday is usually cheaper than going in the UK, has far more choice, provides better value for money and stands far less chance being ruined by the utterly dismal climate the UK offers.
For lots of people it IS their leisure and relaxation. Its what they save money on to enjoy.
Far more important than a once every 3 years trip to the cinema or a novelty annual trip to a grotty pub.
Nobody in particular wants to pay eyewatering sums of money to stay in a shitty caravan or B&B in an old, run down seaside resort, eat soggy fish and chips on some newspaper and watch the drizzle come down.
That’s as maybe. But are you willing to have an experimental biological agent into you – one with no long-term safety record and lots of evidence of short-term adverse reactions and deaths – in the hope the government will allow you to continue with your champagne lifestyle?
Do you trust the government, and the pharmaceutical companies, that much?
After the last 15 months – I most certainly don’t.
Champagne lifestyle?!
Anyone going on holiday to the UK is more likely to have one of those as its twice the cost or more to holiday there for the same time period.
As for “experimental biological agent”. Clearly you have absolutely no training or background in any scientific discipline and as a result no understanding at all of the processes.
These vaccines are still in the clinical trial phase, and that makes them experimental.
And yes, I do have training in a clinical field.
You yet again demonstrated that you have no idea what emergency use entails, what the various stages of clinical trials involve or what marketing authorisation is.
So if they’re that good why are so many people dying and having side effects then?
“Anyone going on holiday to the UK is more likely to have one of those as its twice the cost or more to holiday there for the same time period”
You clearly don’t have children then. Holidays abroad during the school holidays are essentially unaffordable now unless you are rich.
And the cost of holidays abroad post COVID is going to be significantly more than before. There will be fewer airlines, fares will be more expensive, less choice of destinations. It will be back to the 1970s in terms of foreign travel.
As for my qualifications – honours degrees in both science and engineering. You?
Yet more nonsense. A week in a caravan watching the drizzle comes down works out roughly twice the cost for a family than a week in a hotel in Greece. School holiday price fixing affects both internal and external travel. Cost of holidays abroad you’re talking rubbish. There is a 600% increase in demand from all the agents. Airlines are all up and running. Looking around this morning i can fly to Egypt for £120. Greece for about £140. I can get accommodation for £50 to £80 a night. And this is before its fully reopened. Most European countries can and already ARE travelling for holidays. Mallorca is once again full of Germans. If i want a nice week for a family in Greece its looking at maybe £1000. A caravan in Cornwall is roughly £1400 for the same time. You’re just inventing complete and utter nonsense in total contradiction to the facts. There is huge demand for foreign travel and it’ll get going again in earnest very soon. And yes – i’m a medical biochemist by training which is one reason id clear to me you have no understanding of the medical or research field in any way, shape… Read more »
I’m not so sure about your numbers, though I get your point about people doing several trips a year; this is something I myself do, and very much intend to do again as soon as I can. As soon as lockdown’s were lifted last summer I was out of here like a bat out of hell – in fact I managed to fit in several trips to Greece before the iron curtain fell once more. But, your comparison and numbers are a bit out. For example, I went to Corfu in September for five days and it worked out about £600 for me as a single guy, about £100 each way on the flights, another £250ish on accommodation and then the rest on taking a boat down to Paxos, visiting the old town and so on. You can do it cheaper with a hostel and whatnot but you are going to be stretched doing it for a family at 1k. This was all without any testing nonsense that we’ll see implemented imminently; if I’d had to pay another £100 each way for the tests that would have cost me the trip to Paxos. I’ll add I went camping in Cornwall… Read more »
Please feel free to go and enjoy yourself. I however would rather poke my eyes out with sticks than sit in an airport for hours and hours on end, muzzled. Then sit on a plane for hours on end, muzzled. Arriving at my destination and walking through another airport, muzzled. Going to my hotel, where I’m muzzled.
Going to cafes, restaurants, subject to rules and muzzles.
And incurring huge extra costs for all the testing, for which I’m supposed to be grateful?
Oh and don’t forget my virtue signalling covid vaccine status, (I don’t want to get on a plane with people who haven’t had the Jabz!) That will do me a fat lot of good because Manuel, who prepares all my meals hasn’t been jabbed! In fact I haven’t got a clue who has or hasn’t been ‘done’!
Freedom to travel hasn’t been stripped away by Covid, it’s been stripped away by our supposed Government. If you want to collaborate with this nonsense, be my guest. I’m feeling grateful I won’t have to join you.
Rain, soggy chips? Sounds idyllic in comparison.
Also, if holiday bookings are so high, why are there cheap available flights? They can’t both be true.
I love travel. I have travelled all over the world. I would love that to continue. But if it’s a choice between my long-term health (I am father to two young children) and holidays abroad for the next couple of years until this madness is over (or for the rest of my life if it continues) it is no contest. My health wins. That means no vaccines for me (I have had the virus).
I was planning on travelling the world, and would still love to. Resisting the introduction of vaccine passports and digital ID feels more important.
That’s both the carrot and the stick, i.e. you could be going off to somewhere different, good weather, see family, or you could be stuck at home, permanently, and be denied your chance to travel abroad and broaden your horizons….
If you don’t mind me saying so, I don’t think you understand. We are currently in a world war of a new kind in which people are trying to destroy western civilisation – its people and it’s culture. Whether or not you get to go on holiday is really not the issue in the scheme of things.
That’s probably the general idea.
Might as well get the real thing it seems less risky than the vaccine which seems to not be much use long term.
If you mean get covid – that only counts for the status passport if you have had it within 3 months of travel
Aka: it’s nothing to do with your immunity.
Wow that’s ominous of something not quite right about the “vaccine”.
It won’t stop at foreign holidays. It will be expanded to be used within the UK.
Biden announced that the US federal government wouldn’t introduce vaccine passports, but there’s plenty of organisations within the US such as universities who are effectively making vaccination mandatory,even for students at near zero risk from covid.
This makes me so incredibly sad. I am being forced into a medical experiment to see my family. I wouldn’t even mind a sticker for my passport, but adding additional domestic surveillance and data collection to the medical experiment…. I feel my basic human rights are being raped, let alone violated.
There are several existing systems. Having had visas and ILR, I am quite used to secure stickers. The Post Office collected biometric data for my citizenship, there’s no reason a column to the Home Office DB couldn’t be appended (with doctor’s certification) via the same process. Our biometrics are read at airports world wide. No track and trace app needed.
I am seeing conflicting reports on which NHS app will be used. Similar reports are saying to use the NHS appointment app. I’ve never been able to get that to work.
Negotiation is acceptance. In the past vaccines have been mandated for diseases with very high mortality rates, for example Yellow fever with a rate of 30%. Also these vaccines were tested for many years and were designed to actually prevent infection. None of this is true in the current circumstances. It’s a power grab and should be rejected as such.
Normally I would agree, but we need something akin health treaties then – we can’t control what other nations do at their borders. I’m waiting out the summer having ignored the NHS’s “invitations”. I’ll take jab2.0 on the core, not spike or a t-cell test.
Can anyone please explain how test before departure would actually work? If I’m on holiday and have to have a test before returning to the UK and test positive, how is that going to be managed?
Currently there are plenty of places where someone will come to where you’re staying and test you.
Many airports also offer pre-departure testing.
Boris has talked about people taking one of the useless LFDs with them as another option.
The last twice i’ve done it i just used the local airport services. Worked perfectly.
Thanks, but what I mean is that if I test positive I will not be able to fly home and will be expected to self isolate for a period. How will that work if I’m staying in a hotel in Spain? They won’t just let me keep the room…..
Depends a lot on the country.
Some have isolation hotels, some have other facilities.
Some places (Cyprus for one) pay for it all, others require travel insurance to sort that out.
There’s no standard way of handling that yet. Depends where you go and who you’re insured with.
I’d expect that even before vaccine passports are a thing, it’ll be a requirement of travel insurance coverage before that.
Thanks, that’s helpful. However, is it too much to ask that practical issues such as this are considered before they make policy?
Yes, I know, it is way to much…..
Prior to the test gargle with salt water, and flush nostrils with same, you won’t test positive.
This is the advice of Dr Stefano Scoglio, who has been nominated for the Nobel Prize, so fairly trustworthy I think.
“the U.K. currently operates a system of informed consent for vaccinations”
For the vast majority of the population, it’s not informed consent as they’re not fully informed of the pros and cons, especially the cons, regarding these experimental vaccines.
The minister is lying. They’re all lying.
‘currently’. Mmmm.
Yes, he’s lying – they’re all lying.
They don’t care if we die, otherwise they would give the go-ahead for Ivermectin. (See recent Pandemic Podcast with Dan A-G talking to Dr Pierre Kory) They just don’t want the trail of blood to lead directly to them.
It seems most MPs are on board with this, even if they had any power to change it. The courts don’t seem to care because they seem to throw out any challenges or judicial reviews.
What’s left? I daren’t even say it…..
It’s claimed that hospitals were imposing a DNR on the over 65s, although there appears not to be a paper or email trial for that, just small meetings to pass the information on.
So once again the “conspiracy theorists” were entirely correct
Indeed.
Are you the Frank Fisher who used to post on order-order before the purge? I enjoyed your posts.
That alky drink driver was a real sellout.
Holidays are bonuses in life, they are not essential.
Tell em to stick their holidays and vaccine passports you know where.
Holiday is no more of a bonus in life than going to the pub, cinema, gym, sporting event or concert. None of those are essential.
Netflix isn’t essential
Owning a nice car isnt essential.
Eating nice food isnt essential.
You’re seriously going to argue that everyone can only sit indoors and be allowed to do nothing without them?
I’m certainly not suggesting that at all, Splatt.
I’m saying that the government and their supporters (Advisors and “experts” ) are using these measures to further this “stupidity” as a weapon against us “Normals”.
They will use vaccine passports to blackmail us.
We must in the “short-term” resist this ploy, and I honestly believe that this Covid fanaticism will collapse and apart from the ultra sheep and collaborators the vast majority of people will realise that we are not all going to die and they will be perfectly ok to resume living.
Totally agree. I don’t intend to collaborate in this farce in the short term.
How can the UK make vaccine passports compulsory for me but not, for instance, French people, where the vaccine uptake is low? Doesn’t that just mandate against our own holiday industry? Greece has already said a negative test will suffice for them, so why won’t it do for my own Country when I return? Anyhow the thought of all the extra cost and palaver will put loads of people off. My friends, both jabbed, have cancelled their holiday abroad in July for exactly that reason.
A side issue of this is the assumption that everyone has and can use a smart-phone, I am unable to use a smart-phone and do not have one. Age UK are taking action on this but it is so convenient for Government that I suspect it will be an uphill struggle. You now seem to need a Smart Phone, operated at your own expense to be able to function as a UK citizen, this means the 20% of UK non smart-phone users are relegated to 2nd class citizens. Age UKs reply to me on this issue is as below; Dear Mr #######, Thank you for your message, and for sharing your thoughts on what is an ever growing concern of ours. Even prior to the pandemic, Age UK had noted with concern organisations increasingly obliging their various stakeholders to seek assistance/do business with them exclusively online/via smartphones. Sadly, we receive on a daily basis numerous comments and observations such as yours, bringing to our attention the struggles that many older people and people with disabilities & impairments of all kinds, face on a daily basis. Age UK have long been vocal about the need for businesses… Read more »
Most “smart” phones are operated by the “outsourced” intelligence agency that traces your every move Alphabet (go-ogle).
‘help ourselves’?? Does he mean ‘help us’?
Sorry, nitpicking. 😉
He’s not English.
Agreed! I don’t have one because I just like the freedom of only having my ‘portable phone booth’ with me for emergencies (= brick phone). Works fine. Internet at home. Why do we need these contant apps and updates when we are out and about?! Also, just to add another spanner in the works, where do all those obsolete phones end up?
Its still possible to travel with a bit of effort and unfortunately something stuck up your nose or in your mouth. The EU ‘green certificates’ will have to be simple and cover all sorts of ‘tests’ not just RT-PCR as nearly all countries use different ones to some degree.
The US accepts quickie antigen for instance, right now you can go if you can afford to ‘quarantine’ for 14 days in some nice warm country off their black list ( the one next door doesn’t ask for any test).
I think many people who took the bait of vaccine to travel will feel very screwed when its obvious you can travel with tests and no vaccine. I would never have a vaccine to travel but I will/have endured a ‘test’ to do so. Its not right, its very very not right, but given our geographically challenged family it will be endured this year.
I thought it was only Michie who is a raging commie. Now its Grant but my Boris says he doesn’t know his arse from his elbow anyway so I wouldn’t believe a thing he says.
Grant Shapps said work had started on developing the app many people use to book appointments with their GPs so that it can show whether they have been vaccinated and tested for the virus.
I doubt many people are using that app to book GP appointments at the moment. On Patient Access (web based) which our surgery uses the ability to book appointments has been disabled and you have to ring, and of course even then getting a face to face one is nigh impossible.
Passengers are reminded that they need to arrive at the airport twelve hours before the departure of their flight to allow for the necessary checking in, hold luggage weight checks, security vetting and Covid health monitoring. These measures are designed to protect you and your fellow travellers.
Please ensure that arrangements are made in case one or more members of your travelling group are denied boarding due to being unable to comply with new Covid status registration procedures – including all possible failures of smartphone technologies.
Paper based tickets and Covid status registration should be avoided except for the youngest children (under 12 years) and the very aged (over 70 years) in order to expedite the checking in process.
From an Aviation Industry Publication (AviTrader) With Ursula von der Leyen commenting that the EU intends to grant unrestricted access to travelers from the U.S. who have been vaccinated against the COVID-19 coronavirus, the International Air Transport Association (IATA) was quick to announce its encouragement. “This is a step in the right direction. It gives hope to people for so many reasons—to travel, to reunite with loved ones, to develop business opportunities or to get back to work. To fulfil that hope, details of the EC’s intentions are essential. To be fully prepared, it is imperative that the EC works with the industry so that airlines can plan within the public health benchmarks and timelines that will enable unconditional travel for those vaccinated, not just from the US but from all countries using vaccines that are approved by the European Medicines Association. Equally critical will be clear, simple and secure digital processes for vaccination certificates. The IATA Travel Pass can help industry and governments manage and verify vaccination status, as it does with testing certificates. But we are still awaiting the development of globally recognized standards for digital vaccine certificates. As a first step, it is vital that the EU… Read more »
We should also remember that both the PCR test and vaxxs are under emergency use ONLY, because of the supposed pandemic. So what legitimacy will any of these things have after that is ended?
Or are we basically going to be in an ‘emergency’ forever?
It should be noted that in order to use the NHS mobile app, you first have to be registered with a GP in ENGLAND.
What about those of us in Wales, Scotland or Northern Ireland? It would appear that at least in Wales our great and glorious politicians (of all four main parties) are treating international travel as a non-devolved issue and have no current policy of their own.
As an additiona note: it has been brough to my attention that Mark Drakeford’s solution to the problem is to demand that Westminster produce something that is bilingual and covers the whole of the UK — ignoring the fact that Westminster is not obliged to do anything in Welsh and also that vaccination and health records are devolved.