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karenovirus
4 years ago

‘Need we fear a third wave when lockdown ends ?’

No.

With or without their models, lockdowns, mass testing, vaccines, social distancing, masks and all the rest of the hubristic nonsense there will be no ‘third wave’ but quite likely a recurrence in Autumn 2021 which will be the annual return as virus do.

This has been obvious since the ONS figures for the second week of June 2020 which showed that fewer Londoners died that week (all causes) than usual.
As was pointed out here @LS at the time ‘you can’t die of Covid in March and then die again from your comorbidities in June’ which pattern was sustained in London and soon spread throughout the country.
Coronovirus was outed as just another respiratory disease rather than some ‘novel’ medieval plague from hell as tptb and media continue to present it.

RickH
4 years ago
Reply to  karenovirus

There was no ‘second wave’ in the autumn – just a slightly higher mortality than the average.

There was a higher peak in January than expected – but it was short-lived, and could have been related to deaths among the vulnerable following vaccination, as much as any other cause. I wouldn’t assert that as the cause – there is only associative evidence – but it is no less likely than all the ‘wave’ nonsense.

karenovirus
4 years ago
Reply to  RickH

I didn’t mention a ‘second wave’ just ‘third wave’ using inverted commas for the same reason you did.

GCarty80
GCarty80
4 years ago
Reply to  RickH

Actually we had a minor second wave in the autumn as a result of the universities restarting (which undid the benefit that local lockdowns had achieved prior to that point).

The horrible big peak in January arguably was the third wave: it was caused by the B117 variant and is now hitting mainland Europe really badly even though it is petering out here (due to a combination of lockdown, vaccination and natural herd immunity).

karenovirus
4 years ago
Reply to  GCarty80

Universities restarting had the positive effect of enabling students to ‘mingle’ in the way they do, despite the pathetic attempts of ‘them’ to stop it, thus ensuring they were all safely herd immune in time to go home for Xmas with Granma.

Btw, your last para omitted Seasonality which is the key.

GCarty80
GCarty80
4 years ago
Reply to  karenovirus

Yes, seasonality also had its effect of course: thanks for reminding me!

I suspect Australia and New Zealand owe a lot of their success to that, as even they weren’t paranoid enough to seal their borders in January 2020 as Taiwan and Vietnam did.

karenovirus
4 years ago

The petition to allow all students to return to university this summer has gathered 10,000 votes.
The students themselves are clearly not much bothered; according to Universities UK there were 2.3 million students registered at British universities last year, 1.9m from the UK.

bOrgkilLaH1of7
4 years ago
Reply to  karenovirus

It needs to hit 100,000 signatures… meanwhile from way down South/RSA… perhaps its the sunshine that brings clarity of thinking?

Essential Sunday morning listening and way better than Beeb Radio Bore:

https://jermwarfare.com/blog/ridicule-pandemic-nick-hudson



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JayBee
4 years ago
Reply to  karenovirus

The young now fully deserve their fate. They comply and are all-in with all the restrictions and scream for even more.
F*** “em.

Julian
4 years ago
Reply to  JayBee

Well you could say that about the population in general. Except we know that not everyone is “all-in”. I don’t think generalisations like this are very helpful. Believers and sceptics in my experience come from all age groups, walks of life, political groupings.

RickH
4 years ago
Reply to  Julian

I don’t think generalisations like this are very helpful.”

They are extremely unhelpful – the rational cause doesn’t need fuel to assist the labelling of its ideas as coming from ranting nutters. 77th Brigade doesn’t require volunteers.

As to the substance – we are all frustrated , but not grasping the power of brainwashing doesn’t help the cause, either.

karenovirus
4 years ago
Reply to  JayBee

You might have thought the Student Union, or even the universities, might have prompted them to sign up.

GCarty80
GCarty80
4 years ago
Reply to  karenovirus

Do you think that academia may possibly have a pro-lockdown bias because of how financially dependent UK universities are on Chinese students?

DanClarke
DanClarke
4 years ago
Reply to  JayBee

Not sure about that, I was out at the coast yesterday, full of groups of young people, the ones with a mask stood out, hardly any.

Less government
4 years ago
Reply to  karenovirus

Paying for short term accommodation is the issue. What is the point for a few weeks trying to rent?
Moreover many courses have finished with lectures stopping for Easter and leaving students to revise for exams starting early May. It’s been such a tough year for lecturers starting late September doing a few videos and winding up April. They are probably all now on Caribbean holidays, bless them. I would petition for students to get a massive refund on course fees.

karenovirus
4 years ago

‘Landmark UK Department stores at risk as Covid changes city centres’.
Why is this article here ? It is solely about the planning alternatives for empty buildings, not why they became empty.

But since it is I’m reminded of a conversation with an elderly lady some four or five years ago following the announcement that our House of Fraser store was closing down.
“Oh I used to love going in there, my mum would always take me there to buy new shoes and clothes . . .
Mind you, I haven’t been in there for years now.”

The lady did not strike as a typical Amazon customer.

karenovirus
4 years ago

Janet Daley wonders if bozos rightly mocked attack on the efficacy of vaccines as opposed to the wonders of lockdowns might be turning the public into conspiracy theorists (ignoring seasonality, natch).

” There is now grave disquiet among sensible, thinking parts of the population about where this all going and what is driving it . . .
What would once have been thought the stuff of cult paranoia among enlightened circles . . .”

Well Janet, I may not move in ‘sensible, thinking’ parts of the population or among ‘enlightened circles’ but have been having such conversations with simple folk since wondering about residual and enhanced regulations during lockdown Lite (last summer) and more so since the gradual imposition of yet more rules (masks, tiers, whackamole holidays, schools closed but open, lockdown 2., Xmas effectively cancelled, Lockdown 3) and the ever more frequent exposure of government lies and fabrications.

Still I suppose it’s all to the good if parts of the media bubble are starting to wake up.

RickH
4 years ago
Reply to  karenovirus

Perhaps I’m getting over-paranoid, but one clear possibility for Johnson’s abrupt U-turn on this one was to get out of the way the notion behind the previous promise – that ‘vaccines’ led to the end of rainbow.

karenovirus
4 years ago
Reply to  RickH

He’s just covering his ample arse over the social and financial costs of lockdown for if and when there is ever an inquiry.
There never was a cost benefit analysis.

TORs
4 years ago

I followed the link to Ron DeSantis, governor of Florida, telling vaccinated people to “act immune” (i.e. stop wearing masks), just to see how the Twittersphere had reacted. Take a look:
https://twitter.com/therecount/status/1383093445829525504
It’s pretty dire. The vast majority want to keep their masks on because they believe they are not immune, but not because they doubt the CDC advice to vaccinate, but because the vaccines — wonderful as they are — allow them to be infected and transmit the virus anyway. Ergo? Masks must be worn until everyone is vaccinated. With annual boosters, of course.
Think sheep being herded into a dip.

DanClarke
DanClarke
4 years ago
Reply to  TORs

Doesn’t help that we have communist members in SAGE who are pushing their own control agenda

Less government
4 years ago
Reply to  DanClarke

Marvellous to know that our Government is taking orders from a bunch of paid up CCP members and academia who loathe our country and utterly despise the Tories. What could possibly go wrong ?

JayBee
4 years ago
Reply to  TORs

They are right in their assessment, but wrong in their conclusions.

Noumenon
4 years ago
Reply to  TORs

If the vaccines don’t stop transmission then it’s up to those who don’t want to get ill to take the risk of having them, everyone else can get back to normal.

LMS2
4 years ago
Reply to  TORs

But their logic means that even with everyone vaccinated, the virus can still circulate around and someone somewhere might still get sick, oh my.

LMS2
4 years ago
Reply to  TORs

“none of this gives me the right to give a stranger a virus that could kill them.”

That’s the thinking.
This was one answer: “it doesn’t matter if the vaccines work or not. A republican has said they do. Now, as a lefty, he must be completely against whatever desantis said. No matter what.”

Monro
4 years ago

Her Majesty The Queen forced to sit alone, masked, in the Chapel of St George, where the battle sword of Edward III is kept, at the funeral of The Duke of Edinburgh, mentioned in despatches for his gallantry at the Battle of Cape Matapan, one of Britain’s stellar naval victories against the forces of fascism……

The lament, Flowers of the Forest, played for the entire nation:

‘The Flowers of the Forest, that fought aye the foremost,
The pride of our land lie cold in the clay.’

karenovirus
4 years ago
Reply to  Monro

Why did Her Majesty wear a mask during the short car journey? I imagine that her lady in waiting is part of her bubble and that there is a glass screen between her and the driver.

DanClarke
DanClarke
4 years ago
Reply to  karenovirus

It was odd as she has already had engagements where she hasn’t worn one

RickH
4 years ago
Reply to  karenovirus

I have personal empathy for Brenda – as I have for others in that position.

But it was no ‘tragedy’ – just the death of a very fortunate person after an exceptionally long and well-favoured life. Lucky man. Lucky couple.

This subservience to health fascism and mask wearing adds to the propaganda – not a great symbolic gesture when there was a possibility of nudging normality back into the frame.

DanClarke
DanClarke
4 years ago

Covid was categorized a low mortality virus by the government in March 2020, which has actually turned out to be correct. So its like flu, in that the flu jab gives you milder symptoms (although how they know what you would have had is anyone’s guess) but you can still get flu and still spread it, same as ‘covid’. The hysteria and ‘window of opportunity’ is all that’s different.

JayBee
4 years ago

I am a big fan of DeSantis, but here he is incorrect.
You are not necessarily immune, if you got the gene therapy.
That’s a fact.
You have a reduction in your risk of hospitalisation, if you got infected and were susceptible to it in the first place (obese, comorbidities, age) and/or your symptoms will in most cases be lessened/artificially suppressed if you got infected- see the Sinovac data above and read it correctly.

Sadly, you have also irreversibly become a spike protein producing zombie, with yet unknown medium to long term consequences for you (likely a higher cancer and brain disease risk on the basis of prior mRNA and nanoparticle experiences- but who knows, maybe even a positive one?!) and most definetely the risk of becoming an asymptomatically infected and infectious person, the latter of which didn’t even exist before.

I know it’s hard to swallow, and I know that DeSantis knows this and why he really made this incorrect comment, but those are the facts mate.

LMS2
4 years ago
Reply to  JayBee

But its still better to live your life like you’re immune instead of hiding behind masks forever just in case you’re not.

karenovirus
4 years ago
Reply to  JayBee

Deliberate grossly over reporting of Covid deaths similarly to UK (though with a different mechanism); yet another pointer towards an international conspiracy (if I’d said that 6 months ago it would have been under the influence of drink or drugs).

As for the money my understanding is that individual States get more Federal aid for having more Covid deaths despite Pandemic Response policies being the responsibility of those very same States.

LMS2
4 years ago
Reply to  karenovirus

I said it six months ago. I was stone cold sober.
And I haven’t changed my mind.

Julian
4 years ago

“Double mutant Covid variant”

They say “you couldn’t make it up” but actually, you could.

RickH
4 years ago

Interesting summary of the harm/benefit equation for the ‘vaccines’ in Conservative Woman :

https://www.conservativewoman.co.uk/vaccine-risks-versus-rewards-what-your-gp-wont-tell-you/

Lucan Grey
4 years ago
Reply to  RickH

The statistical flaws in that analysis from somebody supposedly trained in mathematics are legion.

We have lost 127,000 to Covid, with the number of infections causing that far, far less than the number of people receiving injections of vaccines, to which we have lost less than 1000. (In both cases just taking into account people who have died within 28 days of ‘the event’ without getting into arguments about what actually killed people).

The CW calculations are out by at least two orders of magnitude. Classic curve fitting to a belief.

Getting to herd immunity with the vaccine is on a very basic analysis much safer than getting there with infection.

You have to be under 40 before the risk/reward calculation gets even close.

Paul B
4 years ago
Reply to  Lucan Grey

Over how long a period are you getting 127k from and how does that compare to any other period of such measure? Unless we have cured death and no one told me? I’ve lost a year of my life and I think we can times that by 75m just in our little corner. Criminal, absolutely criminal.

LMS2
4 years ago
Reply to  Lucan Grey

“We have lost 127,000 to Covid,”

No we haven’t. We don’t know the true number of those “lost to Covid.”
The 127,000 includes those with covid mentioned on the death certificate. It may or may not have been a contributory factor, as the vast majority were elderly, and many were already unwell. A positive CV19 test might have been no more than a coincidental finding, e.g. as with George Floyd in the U.S.. It may have directly caused death, or it may have hastened it.
Until an audit is done, we won’t know. And as no autopsies were done, we may never know.

karenovirus
4 years ago

‘Michigan moves to make Covid19 mandates permanent’.
Including making business owners responsible for ensuring employees and customers wear masks, observe the 6 feet rule etc. at the risk of going to jail.

That’s gonna help Detroits post industrial decline into a desert as businesses decamp elsewhere even faster.

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LMS2
4 years ago
Reply to  karenovirus

Ah, that’ll be the Michigan state run by Gretchen Whitmer, another progressive Democrat who had sick hospital patients sent into care homes, just as Cuomo did in NY.