Young People Should Not be Strong-Armed Into Getting Vaccinated
We’re publishing an original piece today by Bella Wallersteiner, a Senior Parliamentary Assistant, setting out the case against trying to induce young people to get the jab by making entry to pubs/clubs/festivals conditional on showing a ‘Covid Status Certificate’. Here is an extract:
After a year in which many young people have lost their jobs, missed out great chunks of the curriculum in schools and universities and were forbidden from seeing their friends, coercing them into taking the jab is a perverse strategy. Altruistic young people worked in food banks, collected medicine and went shopping for elderly neighbours who were shielding or, inspired by the example of Captain Tom Moore, raised funds for the NHS. Instead of receiving praise for demonstrating resilience and kindness, young people are now being maligned for showing ambivalence in coming forward to take a vaccine which may do them harm. More needs to be done to convince them that the vaccine is safe and effective and that the eradication of COVID-19 requires all citizens to join together in an act of solidarity.
Once vaccines for under-30s get the green light, the Government needs to come up with a new social contract for young people. What is the duty of a young person to society? Does a young adult have a moral obligation to protect an older one? The message should be that society is the glue which binds us together in a moral compact which transcends self-interest. By getting the vaccine you are helping the community at large. Young people should want to take the vaccine because they have decided that it is the right thing to do for their own health and for the safety of others. They should not be bullied into taking the vaccine out of fear of becoming second-class citizens or because they will be denied the pleasures of techno, house and trance dance music in clubs. The Government must treat young people like grown-ups and be prepared to have an adult conversation with them. The Prime Minister, who is such an effective communicator, particularly when addressing young people, should deliver a special broadcast specifically targeting UK citizens under 30 who have given up so much over the last year. He should thank them for their solidarity and support and exhort them to make one final collective effort to beat COVID-19 by having the vaccine. If this doesn’t happen, the whole project to eradicate the scourge of coronavirus could stumble at the last fence.
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“The Prime Minister, who is such an effective communicator, particularly when addressing young people, should deliver a special broadcast specifically targeting UK citizens under 30 who have given up so much over the last year. He should thank them for their solidarity and support and exhort them to make one final collective effort to beat COVID-19 by having the vaccine.”
Why are this twat’s ramblings repeated here? It has nothing to offer.
What possible grounds (beyond selling useless snake oil) is there for vaccinating anyone – let alone those under 30?
We might pass the peak of infection, but we never seem to pass the summit of idiocy and ignorance.
No – It’s not ‘Worth reading in full’
… or even in part.
Absolutely agree.
Dreadful piece of reasoning in this article.
If this is typical of other “Senior Parliamentary Assistants ” we’re in deep do-do.
Senior Parliamentary Assistant my arse. She’s a political bimbo.
(Had you not noticed the deep doo-doo so far, LMS2 ? 🙂 ).
Sorry Toby but I have to agree with Rick here.
I’ve been extremely grateful to have this site to come to in the face of covidbollocks but how you can promote the idea that it is wrong to compel young people (or anyone for that matter) to get vaxxed but it’s ok to guilt trip them into so doing ‘for the good of the community’ is beyond me.
As an aside, what is ‘vaccine cavalry’ hancock and the SAGE claque going to say to the millions already vaxxed when their particular brand has its (emergency) authorisation rescinded?
How do I get this vomit out of my keyboard?
You’re not special because you’re under 30. Nobody should have any interest in whether anyone else gets vaccinated.
But aren’t young people practically immune already to Covid? So how would vaccination be the right thing to do “for their own health”? As for the “safety of others” (presumably the elderly and other vulnerable people), if those people have already been vaccinated, what difference would vaccinating young people make? Those are two very simple, pertinent questions that young people need to hear.
So how would vaccination be the right thing to do “for their own health”?
We know that the Vaxx spike proteins mimicking the SARSCov2 ones have caused pregnancy miscarriages in women, Forty-three miscarriages and stillbirths have been reported following jabs as of Feb. 26, 2021, according to VAERS, in the USA. They will not be the only ones…
We know too that these novel spike proteins seem to affect ovulation.
We also know Kill Gates is a Malthusian, as is Sir David Attenborough, who is also fully onboard and being wheeled-out for the absolute zero carbon agenda.
Guess what folks? The WEF climate change plan has always included a depop angle…
Cue graphic.
How do we filter VAERS data base for pregnancy issues?
I tried Y for Birth Defects, but this just gave a few, completely junk, reports.
For credibility we need the source of this graphic please!
Another headline that seems to promise some common sense, followed by a piece that descends into scientific gobbledook. A more fitting title would be “Young people should not be strong-armed into getting vaccinated….you should lie to them and morally blackmail them instead” The article claims that “More needs to be done to convince them that the vaccine is safe and effective and that the eradication of COVID-19 requires all citizens to join together in an act of solidarity.” So essentially, young people need to be lied to – the vaccine is not 100% safe, and covid 19 is not going to be eradicated, whatever you do. It is illogical to mass vaccinate the population with diminishing returns as risk goes down from the virus. The virus does not promote herd immunity. Please, LS, stop promoting these lies. The government itself does not claim that the vaccine will eliminate covid or that it prevents infection or transmission – look at the posters! Why on Earth is LS publishing an exclusive piece that promotes misinformation and essentially recommends brainwashing and emotionally manipulating young people – haven’t we already seen the untold damage of the psychological warfare waged on the UK population? Please… Read more »
“the vaccine is not 100% safe”
Few things are – but, beyond that, is the other half of the equation – Benefit. And I can’t find any real, quantifiable benefit for these jabs when you dig into the figures.
Yes that is my point, no vaccine is 100% safe, and whereas in more vulnerable groups the benefit may outweigh the risk, for under 50s, the vaccine would have to be unfeasibly safe to make it worthwhile taking. You and I may know perfectly well that few things are 100% safe but that is not how the vaccine is being endlessly pushed, hence my plea to LS to stop promoting government propaganda…..
No, the vaccine is not 100% safe and we do not yet know the long term effect on fertility. Unless this is all part of a depopulation plan?
So young people aren’t to be coerced but they are to be morally blackmailed. What a load of *&&*@&&#*.
What goes through the minds of people who write such nasty stuff? It reads to me as if the young are being treated like idiots and being encouraged to virtue signal. Some of them still have their own minds thankfully.
Let’s not even mention the fact these are not vaccines and are still experimental.
If this was Ebola AND if the vaccines could provide sterile immunity AND if they were proper, diligently developed and safe vaccines, then it could be justified to coerce all people into getting it, even if/as herd immunity/the HIT remained a myth in practice.
For SARS Cov2/Covid 19, which is not a suitable candidate for a successful vaccine as per the stsndard 4 criteria for this anyway and in general, which has a minuscule and defined target group IFR, for which treatment options are the correct course of action but were deliberately ignored, for which only novel, not properly trialled gene therapies with for years unknowable side effect risks exist as ‘vaccines’ that do not provide sterile immunity but have created the previously non&existant asymptomatic infectiousness, made people more susceptible to infection in the weeks after getting jabbed and gave rise to mutations, or, in short, which only made the overall situation far worse,
no form of coercion, let alone discrimination is justifiable and tolerable.
But then, this never was, still isn’t and won’t ever be about a health issue.
Only about reducing life expectancy for the people and gaining more money, power and control simultaneously.
“If this was Ebola AND if the vaccines could provide sterile immunity AND if they were proper, diligently developed and safe vaccines, then it could be justified to coerce all people into getting it, even if/as herd immunity/the HIT remained a myth in practice.”
If all of the above were true, coercion would not be required. One can find scenarios where lockdowns and the like may arguably be morally justifiable for the greater good, but they are fairly unlikely to happen in practice – however the killer blow is that govts the world over and the checks and balances that are supposed to exist the world over have shown very clear they CANNOT BE TRUSTED WITH SUCH POWERS. So regardless of some specific case where it may actually “save lives”, I do not think govts should ever be able to coerce people in the name of public health.
2003 ‘We must invade Iraq to remove Hussein because he is killing his own people … and he has WMD’
2013(?) credible reports of excess deaths of 500,000 Iraqi civilians as a direct result of the war of aggression.
Hussein may have been ‘killing his own people’, but if so, it was many orders of magnitude below the wanton killing of the ‘right to protect’ zealots.
The Globalists do not care one fig about anyone outside their clique. That attitude has now come home.
I have been trying to figure out why Johnson would distance himself from the effectiveness of the vaccine roll out 13/04/2021 · The Prime Minister has said that the fall in Covid-19 cases is not due to the vaccineroll-out programme but it is … not vaccines, responsible for fall in Covid-19 cases, says Boris Johnson. Could it be that vaccine passports are not likely to make it through parliament due to expected Labour opposition? And so, with this method of state control in our lives not possible, he has decided to fall back on the tried and “trusted” lockdown.
When you look at the age relateded “case” figures you will see a shift in the age groups most affected from the 80s plus at the start down to teenagers and their parents (late thirties and forties) last month, which of course is what you would expect since the mass testing in schools started.
However all the way through, the admissions and mortality figures have stubbornly “favoured” the elderly.
The “vaccines” are neither licensed nor approved. They are merely authorised for use in an emergency. Mockdowns sustain the essential “emergency” charade.
Vaccinating healthy and in particular young people for whom the vaccination is more dangerous than the disease is highly unethical.
This is clearly the case here, in light of the unknowable but possible and serious medium and long term side effects of the novel gene therapy ‘vaccines’.
Even if the theoretical, mythical and dubious concept of herd immunity/the HIT existed in the real world and/or if the vaccines could provide sterile immunity, which they obviously don’t.
But you cannot argue anything with an innumerate cult member like Bella W. or Craig Murray.
https://sebastianrushworth.com/2021/04/17/is-the-astra-zeneca-vaccine-killing-people/
Don’t get carried away : relative (not absolute) population immunity is an aspect in the life of a virus – but not necessarily a feature of a vaccine.
Nobody should be strong-armed into taking the vaccine.it isn’t as if the pro vaccine message isn’t persistent enough.
a poor article, with an elephant sized logical flaw at its heart.
There is still no proof these prophylactics stop people getting Covid or passing it on, so quite how taking the “vaccine” helps your fellow man is a bit of a mystery.
Dreadful piece LS!
Coercing people to take an experiment treatment breaks the Nuremberg Code so too does suggesting taking to protect others!
Stop promoting this BS please!
When I think of bojo effective communicator would not be my first thought
A proven liar is not an effective communicator in my book!
Johnson a great communicator? Are you having a laugh? This buffoon can read a script well enough but outside of that he’s a frikkin’ car-crash. Wake up!
What a load of bollox!!
The under 30s dont need the vaccine at all. It will do nothing to protect them or anybody else. So sick of this bullshit now.
Goodness me this is awful.
Gods teeth! This must be the worst article I’ve read yet on this site.
The argument that the young should risk their health and wellbeing in a clinical trial for the sake of people who have had the good fortune to live into old age is loathsome and immoral.
There’s something deeply fucked about our society.
Totally. The moral course of action has now become the immoral course in the cranial mush of the cretinous public. Argue for the clear moral route and you get demonised. Argue for the evil and selfish route and you get a freedom passport.
It is not even accurate. The producers of these gene-based interventions do not even claim they prevent infection NOR transmission, so they are not even helping protect others if they have the injections, but they could be doing themselves and future generations untold harms.
“ The Government must treat young people like grown-ups and be prepared to have an adult conversation with them.”
Well, true, but then they could have started by trying to have an adult conversations with general population of the UK, or even just with themselves.
I suppose LS can’t keep repeating the same stuff over and over again but really because the whole corona industry is built on such a house of cards there’s little new that can be said beyond restating the obvious. Everything else is more or less just fiddling around at the edges.
Agreed. Too much pointless and circular discussion. It’s an endless routine of fatuous stuff trying to justify or put a gloss on perpetual and colossal mistakes.
YoungPeople Should Not be Strong-Armed Into Getting VaccinatedI’m a big fan of the lockdown scepticism but I’m getting more and more frustrated with the anti vac sentiment on comments section. F you don’t wanting, fine, I support your right to free choice but don’t brand all of us who choose to accept the vaccine as idiots. It’s condescending to to told I’m wrong because I choose to accept the Vaccine. Have your view and respect mine. Otherwise you’re just as bad as those who say we must all have the vaccine.
To be fair I see astonishingly little “anti-vax” stuff on here, just anti THIS vaccine.
I’m against these vaccines for the record and it’s up to you if you want to take it. I believe however that there should be no state level intervention where vaccines are concerned, let the market decide on that one (and I’m broadly a ‘left-winger!)
We are fighting a battle for our lives to retain our “free choice”.
Of course you’re entitled to accept the vaccine. Just as people on this site will support your freedom to stick on a red nose, stand on your head and whistle ‘Rule Britannia’.
… which is about as useful and ridiculous as getting a needle stuck in your arm for no measurable benefit.
the difference being that I am not going to stop you being vaxxed if you want to be. I am entitled to think you’re an idiot, just as you are entitled to think I am one. what is unacceptable is you forcing me to be vaxxed against my will. in the not too distant future we will find out which of us was actually the idiot, won’t we.
The only suggestion of idiocy is aimed at the (rather large number, thanks to the massive, dishonest, propaganda campaign, of) people allowing themselves to be injected without due consideration; those who are not giving informed consent.
There is uncertainty in an individual’s personal risk from CoViD, and in the risk to him of the experimental injections. I do not believe anyone can know the correct answer, in the case of a stranger, and, possibly, even for someone he knows very well.
So, the raw declaration of your decision provides no basis to accuse you of idiocy.
Cap … fits … . Nobody likes to be told they’re wrong. Even if they ARE.
The respect is due to your right to hold a view. Whatever it might be.
Not to the outcome of what passes for your thinking.
Young person, you have a brain. You have a mind. You have a body.
They belong to you.
Use your brain, make up your own mind, use your body wisely, because sure as hell you’ll never get another,
This is possibly the worst article I have read on this site. Time to redirect donations somewhere where coercive experimental mass vaccination isn’t promoted.
Protect others by having a leaky vaccine that has no benefits except possibly to those already at deaths door (but which may be offset by side-effects culling them)? Really?
Oh, and “What is the duty of a young person to society?”. The duty of every citizen is to resist this bullshit, take off their muzzles, decline pointless experimental medical procedures and do good by not causing third world starvation, suicides of all ages, destruction of culture and quality of life, and general fascism. It is certainly not their duty to take an utterly useless “vaccine” so that they can get a nice NHS “I’ve had my jab sticker” (yes, really).
God’s teeth! Does Toby Young really think this pro-Covid jab piece by a know-nothing “Senior Parliamentary Assistant” is worth reading in full? Clearly he has lost the plot somewhere along the line.
Lost the plot – or earned a pot!
“the eradication of COVID-19 requires all citizens to join together in an act of solidarity….The message should be that society is the glue which binds us together in a moral compact which transcends self-interest. By getting the vaccine you are helping the community at large.”
More than a whiff of communism in this article.
There’s no sense in young people having a vaccine that they don’t need, and which may present more harm to them than CV19 itself.
If the vaccines work, and the older population have already been vaccinated, then anyone under 50 should make the decision for themselves, not anyone else, and not “the community at large.”
These vaccines have barely been tested before being pushed onto the general public. Those at negligible risk from CV19, should not have it.
What on earth is this article doing on the LS site? Worst posting yet!
Dr Coleman: “They want to kill billions”
https://thewhiterose.uk/dr-coleman-they-want-to-kill-billions/
I do a lot more lurking than commenting on this site, but I have to make an appearance in order to say that this is an absolutely atrocious article, badly thought out and badly argued. I completely fail to understand what Toby is doing – he owes his followers an explanation.
I agree with all the negative comments here. The article is mindless propaganda dressed up as a liberal point of view. I would also like to add that I think many lockdown sceptics are making a similar mistake to the one they made last summer when they said there would not be a second wave. Now they all seem to be pinning their hopes on the vaccine as the way out of this mess. The way out of this is not hoping the virus is over or that we now have a wonder cure. The way out is for the public to grow up and say enough is enough of this nonsense.
If you look at all causes mortality there wasn’t a second wave. An increase in mortality, certainly, but no sign of the classic epidemic curve. The causes of the excess mortality in the autumn and winter were therefore almost certainly different. Some deaths from COVID of course; some deaths from the collateral damage from lockdown; and some deaths from the vaccine side-effects pushing elderly people in care homes over the edge.
Don’t look at the “cases” and “deaths from COVID” graphs – the data has been corrupted. All causes mortality is the key to it all.
Despite the broad definition of “covid deaths” they are now way down in the noise, and all cause mortality has dropped too. So ovbiously we must stay locked down and get our jabs
There has not been a ‘second wave’, there was a seasonal Autumn return which is what virus do.
The only strange thing about 2020 was that the March April event was out of season because CCP.
Another article assuming that my freedom, and societies freedom as a whole, is conditional on a successful vaccine uptake? So presumably if there hadn’t been a successful vaccine produced we’d have to be locked up indefinately? Lockdown is, in fact, the right thing until you get jabbed?
No thanks. I’m not interested in that.
And the idea that there is any particular moral duty to avoid infecting other people is simply strange. Our immune systems are designed to be challenged, prior to 2020 you didn’t blame people for catching things, you simply accepted it as a fact of life and got on with it.
Finally, if younger people have a moral duty to protect older people by taking on a risk, then don’t older people have the same moral duty to protect the young? Maybe by not locking them up for a year, forcing them to be iscolated, destroying the economy (and their futures) in order to avoid a normal risk to humanity.
But the older folks didn’t decide on lockdown, the government made all the decisions for everyone.
I’m afraid all age groups are equally ‘guilty’. The setting of one against another is just playing the government’s game.
I wasn’t attacking those older groups, so sorry if you felt that way! I was simply pointing out the flaw in the logic of the article.
The moral duty argument doesn’t even apply! The mRNA gene based interventions are new ‘experimental’ drugs and none of the producers even claim they reduce infections OR transmissions, so having an injection of one of these has a zero impact on others. The efficacy data simply refers to reducing the severity of symptoms and the need for hospitalisations – that is they only affect the recipient. But it does not take into account the numbers of low or zero risk people who have been vaccinated experienced severe adverse events that required hospital treatment and admissions – or deaths. Each individual has a legal duty of care to themselves. Since the drugs do not have any proven protective impact on others,, then the duty of care to others cannot apply in this case.
Nobody should be strong-armed into taking the jab (to coin a phrase!).
As others have stated this must be the worst piece of badly written covid propoganda I have seen on this site.
This ranks alongside the garbage put out by 77 on the forums.
Blatant propoganda and downright insulting.