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AnnabelleG
AnnabelleG
5 years ago

Dr Claire Craig – Thank you – a brave, forthright and sensible voice in a year of hysteria,

Annie
5 years ago
Reply to  AnnabelleG

But is she saying that the snake oils produced herd immunity?
Because if she did, she was talking bollox.

Lucan Grey
5 years ago
Reply to  Annie

The vaccine has worked and has now been tested on millions of people. Denying that empirical data on that is the same refusal to accept empirical data showing that masks have done little to reduce spread.

Is there a place where mask fanatics and vaccine deniers can go and indulge their excessively emotional beliefs so the rest of us can have a rational adult conversation?

Mayo
Mayo
5 years ago
Reply to  Lucan Grey

Is there a place where mask fanatics and vaccine deniers 

what exactly do you mean by a mask fanatic? Are you saying masks are effective. If so – what is your evidence?

Regarding vaccines, they clearly do provide a level of protection against Covid but at what cost? Adverse events and deaths are far higher than would normally be expected from a vaccine. Some of those who have died had little or no risk from Covid.

The medium to long term effects are completely unknown since the Phase III Trials of any vaccine won’t be completed until 2023. Vaccine damage takes several years to show up.

And, no-one has yet explained the massive death toll (1k plus per day) throughout January which appears mainly concentrated in the over 80 age group.

RickH
5 years ago
Reply to  Mayo

… and have a look at Carl Heneghan’s figures re. lockdown deaths.

RickH
5 years ago
Reply to  Lucan Grey

See the absolute risk reduction.

LS99
LS99
5 years ago
Reply to  Lucan Grey

Listen to the Delingpod with Michael Yeadon and get back to us! Link above in the round up.

RickH
5 years ago
Reply to  Lucan Grey

The vaccine has worked “

Sorry – your so dim as to not even to be provacative or challenging.

Mayo
Mayo
5 years ago
Reply to  Annie

It must have been a factor.

karenovirus
5 years ago

From the roundup ‘Faucian Bargain’.
Good to see the book denouncing Fauci for the charlatan that he is topping the Amazon best seller list (US only ?).
‘Faucian Bargain: The Most Power and Dangerous Bureaucrat in Ameican History’.

Has a great general review referencing Eisenhower’s prescient warning about ‘allowing public policy to become captive to a scientific elite without regard to the principles of our (US) constitutional system and the goals of a free society’.

UK Reviewer Anita claims Google and Amazon have doctored search results for the book making it hard to find but I just searched Amazon home page index

book faucian bargain

and there it was as the top entry.

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Annie
5 years ago
Reply to  karenovirus

Comes up straight away in Amazon UK.

Attaboy
Attaboy
5 years ago

oh Clare… so naive… do you still think that thays why we did it? if that was the case, the country would be open by now

steve_w
5 years ago

Now we’ve just got to open up and spend the next 30 years coping with ‘long vaccine’

ruth C
ruth C
5 years ago

It’s clear – from the data in Texas etc where open That we could consider – there must be something perhaps very beneficial to the free flow of germs etc by going about business normally . I’m not even a scientist but you’d have to be stupid to not work this out by now. The data is suggesting this is free countries . It’s clear that perhaps shedding tiny viral loads needs investigating as a possible mechanism at work . It’s clear to me that lockdowns have MEDDLED too much with our inbuilt capacity as a species to overcome normal type viruses. We can deduce that the possibility that tiny viral loads say from asymptotic spread must be beneficial in reducing death rates and symptoms acting like vaccines . We can deduce that the complete proper lack of research and data and studies on asymptotic spread especially with testing is a sham. If any government really really really cared about their population every single basic premise would have been totally researched by now . Billions of pounds wasted ; millions yet to be wasted (people will find ways to get around the testing ….. many will end up spoilt in… Read more »

ruth C
ruth C
5 years ago

There’s a suggestion here as a matter of urgency asymptotic spread needs proper proper research.
Plus , the possibility from Texas etc that opening up is beneficial if tiny viral loads are circulating . Just a thought we can’t ignore as irresponsible.

leicestersq
leicestersq
5 years ago

The herd immunity question is an interesting one in light of Hancock’s attempt to deny that we were close to achieving it. Why would he deny that we were close? Clearly we must be close if the vaccine works, and lets face it that is a big if. Hancock of course cannot deny that the vaccine works, if he did that would be the end of his political career. It should also be the case that if we get to herd immunity then he can cry tears of joy again. Herd immunity means no need for lockdown and that over time the virus will all but disappear. Further, we can open up to all countries, as bringing infections into the UK shouldnt trouble us as the infection cannot spread very far. So why was he so vehemently opposed to the idea of herd immunity being close? This is despite the millions of recorded cases, millions of unrecorded cases given testing doesnt touch everyone, plus the massive vaccine rollout takes you to 75% of the population easily, which by any measure is close to herd immunity. Methinks that they have a wave 3 planned. A wave 3 in the face of… Read more »

karenovirus
5 years ago
Reply to  leicestersq

How many times did Hancock claim that ‘the cavalry are around the corner’ in the shape of vaccines being developed ?

RickH
5 years ago

A couple of highlights in my book :

  1. Carl Heneghan’s Spectator piece : https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/the-hidden-death-toll-of-lockdown 
  2. The Winton Centre analysis of the benefits of the Astra-Zeneca vaccine : https://wintoncentre.maths.cam.ac.uk/news/communicating-potential-benefits-and-harms-astra-zeneca-covid-19-vaccine/

The latter is interesting because, using ICU admissions as the criterion, it allows some calculation of absolute risk reduction from the vaccine : the telling figure.

I reckon that, by this criterion, that absolute figure of reduction is less than 0.2% at the highest level of risk for those in the most vulnerable 60-69 category.. Have a look.

RickH
5 years ago
Reply to  RickH

Later P.S : Any of you other statisticians – Have a look at the presented data and see what you come up with.