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OnceIWasARemainer
OnceIWasARemainer
5 years ago

We need to make the vaccine passports trial fail. We must ensure it descends in to such utter chaos that they do not attemot it any further.

OnceIWasARemainer
OnceIWasARemainer
5 years ago

And I’m one of the people who is actually quite sympathetic to having the vaccine, but I will not spend my life being controeldl by a government ID scheme and to help undermine the delusional plan for vacine passports I am refusing vaccination until such passports are banned. That BMJ article is absolutely right, if this government wants the rollout to STOP DEAD ON THE FUCKING SPOT AND NEVER FIND ANOTHER LIVING SOUL WILLING TO OFFER AN ARM FOR THE NEEDLE then vaccine passes are just how they’ll get vaccine hesitancy to world “leading” levels. We have the CRG on our side, we have the Lib Dems on our side (yes, right wing economic tories atdning shoudler to shoulder with lefty liberals), we have some in labout swaying including their leader, if businesses would put their efforts where their mouths are and pledge to break legislation to avoid passes (rather than merely criticse them) we cn have the nations businesses too. The time has come for defiance, there can be too many of us for them to checkpoint.

karenovirus
5 years ago

Happily LS has a history of right wing economic tories standing shoulder to shoulder with lefty liberals in the cause of lockdown Skepticism but I do wish the CRG would rename themselves Lockdown Recovery Group.

st27
st27
5 years ago

I agree. How can we do this? Some suggestions

  1. Write to local businesses (e.g. pubs) saying that if they require vaccine passports, you won’t be going there. However angry I am, I must remember that these local businesses are almost certainly against this ludicrous idea already.
  2. Write to the venues/events actually selected for trial, and tell them that you’d have loved to go to [event/venue], but unfortunately you haven’t been vaccinated. Lost sales…
  3. Do these things whether or not you actually have been offered/have accepted the vaccine. (The latter is a matter of pure personal choice, which should be respected).

Any other suggestions welcome!

karenovirus
5 years ago
Reply to  st27

I made a point of re-visiting food venues that went OTT with regulations when they first re-opened thus causing me to go elsewhere.
About half of them had relaxed enforcement sufficiently to make me feel welcome on my second visit.
Different branches of Weatherspoons took remarkably different stances on this.

Paula
Paula
5 years ago
Reply to  st27

I agree – I believe there are many people out there who have been vaccinated but on principle would not frequent businesses that excluded the unvaccinated, so I think it is really important that those people also write to their favourite places and say that they have been vaccinated but will not support health facism. Some theatres seem to be a little bit in love with the ‘covid-safe’ culture (one of my locals still doing temperature checks in defiance of all guidance), but I am still sure most venues do not want this. Writing a stiff letter will help them to oppose these measures. I get a lot of surveys from theatres and museums and I am making a point of saying this, and may extend it to other places. Get onto mailing lists and you will get these surveys too. It is so important to help them fight this. Young people in particular need to point out that they have no intention of taking a vaccine they don’t need for their health just so they can go to the pub. Also, although the government review has passed, there is another review happening until the beginning of May – details… Read more »

J4mes
5 years ago

For the track and trace, I always said my mobile phone is too old to use the NHS app (which it is) so we were always asked to write down our details before being allowed entrance to cafes/other establishments. It wasn’t long before I started using the name and contact details of anyone I don’t particularly like.

There will be similar work-arounds for any ‘cutting edge’ passport. The government couldn’t organise a piss-up at a brewery (if there’s any breweries left).

Milo
Milo
5 years ago

How will they enforce it in somewhere like a rural backwater? have a covid marshall standing outside all day during opening hours?

karenovirus
5 years ago

Roundup item 1.
So Whittys statement about living with Covid like we do with flu was not an April Fool after all.
Pity he wasn’t saying this last summer as many here were.

Rat leaving a sinking ship ?

OnceIWasARemainer
OnceIWasARemainer
5 years ago
Reply to  karenovirus

A promising statement, coupled with Boris’s historic comments on ID cards it gives us all the moral ammunition we need to utterly defy whatever draconian hell they plan on trying next. We have never locked down for flu, we have never been expected to present ID cards at pubs for flu, and there’s no cause to have ever even considered this tyranny for covid either.

Tillysmum
Tillysmum
5 years ago
Reply to  karenovirus

I wonderd about that, let’s hope so.

karenovirus
5 years ago

Roundup item 2.
Asked if the trial for Vaccine Passports would be extended to Sex Workers Boris Johnson said
“I didn’t become a Conservative Prime Minister to pry into the most private details of ordinary decent peoples lives so NO, there are currently no government plans to require Sex Workers to take part in this temporary trial”.

Believing himself to be off camera Mr. Johnson was heard to mutter
“Just as well really since it’s all based on the Track’n’Trace app which is a crock o’ shite anyway; where did they spend 37 Billion flippin’ quid?”.

Milo
Milo
5 years ago
Reply to  karenovirus

Did he seriously say that??? does he not realise that the buck for the spending of the 37 billion and the project turning out to be rubbish rests with him? It was his government which authorised it??? Spread this as widely as you can.

karenovirus
5 years ago
Reply to  Milo

😉

karenovirus
5 years ago

Roundup item 3.
Lockdown Extended, from the long winded Daily Express report.
‘Dr. Martin Machaelis, (SAGE?) virologist and Professor of molecular medicine at the University of Kent said

“The question should not be ‘what am I allowed to do ?’ But ‘what is a reasonable thing to do ?’
“If we had been able to do this as individuals and as society from the beginning we would not have needed any lockdowns in the first place”.

You mean as they did in Sweden Dr. Machaelis ?

Steve Hayes
5 years ago

Chris Whitty, the Chief Medical Officer who presided over the virtual house arrest of the entire population, lectures us on his concern about us being over-weight. https://youtu.be/hekEMqUiyIo
He is beyond satire.

karenovirus
5 years ago
Reply to  Steve Hayes

Thank you, I did enjoy upticking the excellent if less than respectful comments, not least the one asking whether we should have Obesity Passports.

Will
Will
5 years ago

I might take the vaccine when it has passed phase 111 safety trials and has been granted a full, rather than an emergency licence, but I will not be carrying a vaccine “passport”. If that means I can’t go to the pub so be it.

steve_w
5 years ago

The UK found a few bloodclots for AZ. Then they found a load more that they had forgot about

The Germans found 1 in 84,000 had bloodclots so bad that they needed hospitalisation and a clinical diagnosis. Half of whom died.

I suppose they are looking to see how many people have clotting that doesn’t need hospitalisation, do the clots grow and then reduce, will they be affected by a second jab, what about 6 monthly booster jabs. Its no wonder vaccine testing takes a decade – so much to look at!

J4mes
5 years ago
Reply to  steve_w

Why would you enter a lottery where the winning ticket is death?

caipirinha17
caipirinha17
5 years ago

Where are all the ethical hackers when you need them?!

J4mes
5 years ago

Whitty says there’ll be no more lockdowns.

Fool me once, shame on you; fool me twice, thrice, quarce… ad infinitum; shame on me (the docile general public).

Brett_McS
5 years ago

(Of course,) YouTube has deleted the Nick Hudson presentation and Q&A on lockdowns.
They are now on BitShute. Search for Nick Hudson.

DanClarke
DanClarke
5 years ago

I’m hoping this is an attempt at coercion to get jabbed before it sells for profit, if not, MP’s should resign en masse, segregation in the UK is too horrific to contemplate.

Paula
Paula
5 years ago
Reply to  DanClarke

I am sure that is what it is, and it seemed to be working – lots of people getting the vaccine in anticipation of not being able to travel without it – I see Keir Starmer is now spreading the lie that other countries will require a vaccine, just not true, it is the UK government that is stopping us from travelling. The thing is they are going so over the top now that ultimately it feels like it will backfire. Because younger people will have to wait, they will have time to think about it. Hence all the campaigns to get people to ‘pledge’ that they will have the vaccine when it is ‘their turn’. These people know there is a danger that younger people will quite rightly not see the point of getting the vaccine on health grounds. But don’t forget, the Tony Blair institute is involved in this, and their agenda is digital ID – these lobby groups will never stop their attempts to get the ID card in place by any means necessary. And of course that worked so well for Labour in 2010, didn’t it?

DanClarke
DanClarke
5 years ago
Reply to  Paula

Agree and yes Blair has always been obsessed with this, anything, wars, EU president, anything to get on the world stage

Milo
Milo
5 years ago

Go to the daily mail article about vaccine passports – scroll down to the comments and add your votes to the comments with the best votes – which are voting against vaxx passports. The more opposition to this we show the better.