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Gove: Primary School Children and Years 11 and 13 Will Return to School Next Week, But as For the Rest…
Michael Gove said on the Today programme yesterday that primary schools, along with Year 11s and Year 13s in secondaries, would return to school in the first week of January, although he stopped short of saying other year groups would return later in the month and stressed that this was the Government’s intention, not a cast-iron guarantee. BBC News has more.
“It is our intention to make sure we can get children back to school as early as possible,” he said.
He said that prioritising children’s attendance in school was “the right thing to do” but he acknowledged concerns about the new variant, which scientists believe may be more transmissible.
“We have a new strain and it is also the case that we have also had, albeit in a very limited way, Christmas mixing, so we do have to remain vigilant,” Mr Gove said.
“We are confident that we will be able to get schools back in good order. Our plan and our timetable is there, and we are working with teachers to deliver it.”
Mr Gove told BBC Breakfast the safe return to school would be built on an effective testing system, with teachers working “incredibly hard” to implement it.
However, it’s not all good news, with the Cabinet Office Minister stressing that re-opening schools involved “trade offs”, i.e. other restrictions would need to be ramped up to compensate.
MailOnline was unimpressed by the announcement.
SAGE scientists have urged Boris Johnson to impose an even tougher third national lockdown including keeping all schools closed throughout January to curb the new mutant coronavirus strain – consigning millions of children to sub-standard online classes for at least a month, it was revealed today.
Michael Gove said today that only children in years 11 and 13, and those with key worker parents, will go to school from Monday – with only primary schools expected to open as usual.
But he has also sparked fears that secondary schools could remain closed for longer than a week after admitting the plan to reopen them all on January 11th is already “under review” amid rumours that students in Tier 4 could be at home until the mid-February half-term.
Worth reading in full.
How Persuasive is the SAGE Argument for Closing Schools?
According to the Guardian, the Government is split over the issue of whether to re-open secondary schools in full in January, with some ministers proving susceptible to lobbying by SAGE’s lockdown zealots.
Government deliberations are expected to be influenced by two preprint studies that suggest closing schools is inevitable, including an analysis from London School of Hygiene and Tropical Medicine researchers who modelled the impact of the fast-spreading UK variant of Sars-CoV-2 – the virus that causes COVID-19.
They found that the only scenario that reduced the peak intensive care burden below the levels of the first wave was to impose the Tier 4 system across England after Boxing Day and close schools until the end of January, as well as vaccinating two million people a week.
“If our parameter estimates are correct… it seems like [Tier 4] alone isn’t enough, so something else might need to be done on top of that. And we’ve looked at school closures because that’s sort of the next obvious thing to do on top of those restrictions,” said the lead researcher, Dr Nick Davies, who is a member of the Scientific Pandemic Influenza Group on Modelling (SPI-M), which feeds into Sage.
Susan Michie, a Professor of Health Psychology at University College London and a member of the Scientific Pandemic Influenza Group on Behavioural Science, a SAGE subcommittee, said emerging data suggested transmission rates were going up everywhere, hospitals were being overwhelmed and thus the only way forward was a national lockdown, including the closure of schools.
The paper referred to by the Guardian has been produced by the Centre for Mathematical Modelling of Infectious Diseases at the London School of Hygiene and Tropical Medicine and can be read here. The same paper also forms the basis for an alarming headline in a Telegraph piece by Paul Nuki: “Why ministers must ramp up Covid vaccination to 2m a week or face a devastating third wave.“
But if you read the paper, the argument for closing schools in January (all schools, not just secondaries, and universities too) isn’t straightforward.
Let’s suppose the two critical assumptions these boffins make are right: (a) the new Covid variant (VOC 202012/01) is significantly more transmissible than preexisting variants; and (b) children are more susceptible. As with the modelling Neil Ferguson presented to NERVTAG earlier this month, the “evidence” for (a) and (b) is that when these researchers create a range of different epidemiological models to explain the recent rise in daily cases, the models into which they plug these assumptions are a better fit with the data than the models into which they plug other assumptions. But, of course, they only consider a very limited number of alternative explanations – greater mobility in London, the South East and the East of England, for instance – so this is a pretty clumsy application of Occam’s Razor.
Nonetheless, let’s park those reservations for a moment and suppose this group of mathematicians are right about the causes of the rise in daily cases. That still doesn’t mean we should close all schools (and universities) in January. Why? Because one of the assumptions the modellers make is that the three NHS regions which haven’t yet seen an uptick in infections – the South West, the Midlands, the North West and the North East and Yorkshire – are 30 days behind the three that have – London, the South East and the East of England. Consequently, if you allow schools (and universities) to reopen in January, the pressure on the NHS as a whole will be lower than if you delay reopening them until February. Better, surely, if the NHS is forced to cope with hospital admissions peaking first in three regions, then in the other four, than in all seven simultaneously?
The authors of the paper acknowledge this in Table 1 on p.10, reproduced below.
As you can see, peak ICU occupancy in 2021 is projected to be 113% of peak ICU occupancy in March/April of this year if schools reopen in January, and 114% if they remain closed. Similarly, the number of ICU beds occupied by Covid patients when infections peak in 2021 is projected to be 3,310 if schools reopen, but 3,360 if they remain closed.
In other words, even the SAGE lockdown zealots grudgingly acknowledge that delaying the reopening of schools (and universities) by a month will put more pressure on the NHS than if you reopen them in January.
Stop Press: Teachers will be added to the priority list when the AstraZeneca vaccine is approved next week. There are fewer than half a million teachers in England. Problem solved, surely?
Nightingales Still Empty
The Telegraph has a good story in today’s paper about the scandal of the empty Nightingales.
They were opened with great fanfare at the beginning of the coronavirus pandemic – vast new facilities designed to save the NHS.
But as the UK is gripped by a second wave of Covid, the £220 million Nightingale hospitals lie empty, with medics warning that, even if they are needed, they do not have the staff to open them.
On Monday, the hospital in London’s Excel centre not only had no patients, it is understood to have been stripped, with beds and ventilators missing. Barriers protecting the facility had been removed, partition boards which separated beds were stacked outside and signs directing ambulances lay on the floor.
A single security guard watched the door, while nearby residents said that they had seen oxygen tanks, previously under 24 hour guard, being removed in November.
A contractor who helped supply and set up the facility told the Telegraph it was “disgusting” that it had been dismantled and a colleague, who was working at the site two weeks ago, said the facilities inside had been “ripped out”.
Meanwhile, the Nightingale at Birmingham’s NEC and the one in Sunderland are also empty but on standby, while Manchester’s is open for “non-Covid care”, with that at Harrogate being used as a “specialist diagnostics centre” and Bristol’s deployed for “local NHS services”.
Birmingham’s Nightingale can be opened in 72 hours if needed, it has been claimed. But Ian Sharp, the clinical lead for elective care at University Hospitals Birmingham (UHB), said that, with hospitals in the region full, “taking staff out of those organisations to open what is effectively a field hospital fills many of us with dread” and was therefore being treated as a “last resort”.
If it really is impossible to staff the Nightingales – and that’s the reason they’ve been largely unused – why didn’t the Department for Health anticipate that before committing £220 million to building them? Did Matt Hancock just commission them without a thought as to how they’d be staffed? One for the public inquiry.
Stop Press: Perhaps the reason the Nightingales haven’t opened is because the NHS doesn’t need the extra critical care capacity. See the below graph from the Spectator comparing ICU occupancy on Dec 20th with the the three-year average for December.
The Great Preset
James Alexander, an Assistant Professor in the Department of Political Science at Bilkent University in Turkey, has written a follow-up piece to Cockupspiracy, which Lockdown Sceptics published earlier this month. In this one, he develops the idea that the political situation we find ourselves in is neither cock up nor conspiracy, but something in between. It was made possible by what he calls “the Great Preset”. Here’s an extract:
There is something which has to be said immediately about conspiracy in relation to the current crisis. The current crisis is the twisting of an apparent crisis caused by the disease COVID-19 into a real crisis by the political response which I have called Polis-20. The crisis is a consequence of an unusually intense attempt to combine scientific and political imperatives, as mediated by an agitated press. It is difficult to know how to frame a causal explanation: whether to blame scientists or politicians or those who mediate scientific and political claims and hence sanction them and harden them into public opinion. But we can avoid ascribing exact blame by saying that policy has infected scientific claims just as scientific models have infected political claims. The word ‘infected’ is of course a metaphor, derived from viruses. It should be obvious why it comes to mind.
At every point it is possible to ascribe blame to conspiracy or cock-up, though I prefer cockupspiracy, the view that in any human activity there is no simple competence or incompetence but a thousand combinations of competence and incompetence. In this case, what I think we have seen, since politicians and scientists and the media have been so eager to form an alliance against the people, is that the incompetence of the handling of matters has at every point ratcheted up the despotic tendency of the policies initially supposed to have been legitimated by the competent handling of matters.
Though I suggest that it is wiser to allege cockupspiracy than either conspiracy or cock-up, I think that it is important to say the following. What has happened in 2020 all over the world, in terms of the imposition of a deliberately despotic policy of masks, distancing and lockdown, is so significant that even if it is not a conspiracy (and I am saying it is not) it is on such a scale that we are certainly not wrong to consider it as if it is a conspiracy. The scale of the imposition of controls by states over citizens is so unparalleled outside of conditions of war or revolution that finding of fault is an inevitability, ascription of blame a necessity, resentment a duty. This is because even if through thoughtlessness or local self-interest someone perpetuates the current policies they are guilty of perpetuating one of the most dangerous tendencies of policy I have ever seen in all my years of reading history.
Even if we do not believe in the conspiracy of the World Economic Forum or the Trilateral Commission, I think we should be as vigilant as if there is a conspiracy. One way of being vigilant is to pay some attention to history. Politicians and scientists rarely know much about the great traditions of politics in the West. And I think we can discern in that history some useful suggestions for making sense of our current situation. In particular, I think attention ought to be drawn to what I am going to call the Great Preset.
The Great Reset seeks a world government of extreme competence. If not a conspiracy, it certainly is the desire to have one.
The Great Preset is not an aspiration. It is the world we live in. It is not yet a world of world government. It is a world of states.
Worth reading in full.
When Boris Was a Braver Man
A reader has sent in quite a jolly poem. For understandable reasons, he wishes to remain anonymous. “Just credit it to Wise Doggerel,” he suggested.
When Boris was a braver man,
He faced down Project Fear.
We need the same for COVID now;
From others we should hear.Try Heneghan, not Vallance, please,
Clare Craig not JVT,
Mike Yeadon over Ferguson,
And see where we could be.It’s not like there’s no Covid now.
The places spared in Spring
Have suffered in the Autumn gloom.
And yes, it’s still a thing.But dig down deep and what d’you see?
The 111 calls flat,
Emergency admissions too,
And excess deaths at that.A plague of “cases” stalks the land:
Disease misdiagnosed.
Our Christmases were ruined and
The little shops are closed.Please heed the voice of common sense:
Dear Boris, hear our plea –
Be done with tiers, allay our fears,
And set this country free!
Round-up
- “Household Transmission of SARS-CoV-2 A Systematic Review and Meta-analysis” – New paper in the the Journal of the American Medical Association finds no evidence of asymptomatic transmission in households. Read a summary of the paper’s findings here
- “Asymptomatic transmission of COVID-19” – Letter from Professor Allyson Pollock in the BMJ saying much the same thing
- “George Galloway’s bizarre trip to Queen of the South to end in charge for club” – Queen of the South Football Club has issued a string of grovelling apologies after George Galloway posted a picture of himself and his family attending a Boxing Day match in spite of Scotland being in Tier 4
- “How COVID-19 switched off the lights of 25,000 businesses” – Latest bulletin from the Telegraph‘s ‘Lost Britain’ series about the collateral damage wrought by the Covid restrictions
- “10,000 medics and volunteers recruited to administer jab” – An army of more than 10,000 medics and volunteers has been recruited by the NHS to help deliver the Oxford vaccine
- “The Covid Crimes Tribunal” – Laura Perrins in the Conservative Woman fantasises about hauling Matt Hancock and Boris Johnson before a Nuremberg-style court in which they will be held to account for their crimes against humanity
- “The Covid Conundrum” – Another post from Omar S. Khan in which he looks back at the terrible year we’ve had
- “Two thirds of England could be in Tier 4 Covid restrictions this week” – With the Tier restrictions due to be reviewed tomorrow, Whitehall sources predict two-thirds of England could end up in Tier 4
- “Ski resorts remain open in Austria despite third national lockdown” – Forget Verbier. Zürs and St Anton are still open!
- “Lockdown: a deadly, failed experiment” – Fraser Myers in Spiked speaks truth to power
- “Coronavirus in Scotland: Top doctors fear ‘perfect storm’ could soon overwhelm the NHS” – Not great news for Nic Sturge-On if true
- “Lockdowns don’t work – why?” – Nick Hudson, coordinator of PANDA, on the collateral damage caused by lockdowns (ignore the health warning that pops up on Medium)
- “Escape From Lockdown Christmas Special” – In this special Christmas edition of the podcast the guest of honour is Kathryn Flett. If you’re a podcast fan, don’t miss the Planet Normal Christmas special or Joe Rogan’s recent interview with Alex Berensen
- “Overdose deaths far outpace coronavirus fatalities in San Francisco as lockdowns continue” – A total of 621 people have died of drug overdoses in the city this year, compared to 173 deaths from COVID-19
- Watch Maajid Nawaz’s full-throated attack on lockdown on his LBC show
Theme Tunes Suggested by Readers
Just two today: “Climbing Up the Walls” by Radiohead and “I’m Glad I’m Not Young Anymore” by Maurice Chevalier.
Love in the Time of Covid
We have created some Lockdown Sceptics Forums, including a dating forum called “Love in a Covid Climate” that has attracted a bit of attention. We have a team of moderators in place to remove spam and deal with the trolls, but sometimes it takes a little while so please bear with us. You have to register to use the Forums as well as post comments below the line, but that should just be a one-time thing. Any problems, email the Lockdown Sceptics webmaster Ian Rons here.
Sharing Stories
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Woke Gobbledegook
We’ve decided to create a permanent slot down here for woke gobbledegook. Today, we bring you the list of naughty words proscribed by the University of Michigan.
If any readers feel like composing a paragraph or two using as many of the proscribed words as possible, we’ll happily publish the best ones.
Stop Press: Joshua Katz, a Classics Professor at Princeton, has written a piece for Spectator USA about the recent woke nonsense at Dalton School, his alma mater.
Stop Press 2: A high school student in Nevada is suing her school over the “coercive, ideological indoctrination” that is central to its Critical Race Theory-based curriculum that forces students to associate aspects of their identity with oppression.
“Mask Exempt” Lanyards
We’ve created a one-stop shop down here for people who want to buy (or make) a “Mask Exempt” lanyard/card. You can print out and laminate a fairly standard one for free here and it has the advantage of not explicitly claiming you have a disability. But if you have no qualms about that (or you are disabled), you can buy a lanyard from Amazon saying you do have a disability/medical exemption here (takes a while to arrive). The Government has instructions on how to download an official “Mask Exempt” notice to put on your phone here. You can get a “Hidden Disability” tag from ebay here and an “exempt” card with lanyard for just £1.99 from Etsy here. And, finally, if you feel obliged to wear a mask but want to signal your disapproval of having to do so, you can get a “sexy world” mask with the Swedish flag on it here.
Don’t forget to sign the petition on the UK Government’s petitions website calling for an end to mandatory face masks in shops here.
A reader has started a website that contains some useful guidance about how you can claim legal exemption. Another reader has created an Android app which displays “I am exempt from wearing a face mask” on your phone. Only 99p, and he’s even said he’ll donate half the money to Lockdown Sceptics, so everyone wins.
If you’re a shop owner and you want to let your customers know you will not be insisting on face masks or asking them what their reasons for exemption are, you can download a friendly sign to stick in your window here.
And here’s an excellent piece about the ineffectiveness of masks by a Roger W. Koops, who has a doctorate in organic chemistry. See also the Swiss Doctor’s thorough review of the scientific evidence here.
The Great Barrington Declaration
The Great Barrington Declaration, a petition started by Professor Martin Kulldorff, Professor Sunetra Gupta and Professor Jay Bhattacharya calling for a strategy of “Focused Protection” (protect the elderly and the vulnerable and let everyone else get on with life), was launched in October and the lockdown zealots have been doing their best to discredit it ever since. If you googled it a week after launch, the top hits were three smear pieces from the Guardian, including: “Herd immunity letter signed by fake experts including ‘Dr Johnny Bananas’.” (Freddie Sayers at UnHerd warned us about this the day before it appeared.) On the bright side, Google UK has stopped shadow banning it, so the actual Declaration now tops the search results – and Toby’s Spectator piece about the attempt to suppress it is among the top hits – although discussion of it has been censored by Reddit. The reason the zealots hate it, of course, is that it gives the lie to their claim that “the science” only supports their strategy. These three scientists are every bit as eminent – more eminent – than the pro-lockdown fanatics so expect no let up in the attacks. (Wikipedia has also done a smear job.)
You can find it here. Please sign it. Now over three quarters of a million signatures.
Update: The authors of the GBD have expanded the FAQs to deal with some of the arguments and smears that have been made against their proposal. Worth reading in full.
Update 2: Many of the signatories of the Great Barrington Declaration are involved with new UK anti-lockdown campaign Recovery. Find out more and join here.
Update 3: You can watch Sunetra Gupta set out the case for “Focused Protection” here and Jay Bhattacharya make it here.
Update 4: The three GBD authors plus Prof Carl Heneghan of CEBM have launched a new website collateralglobal.org, “a global repository for research into the collateral effects of the COVID-19 lockdown measures”. Follow Collateral Global on Twitter here.
Stop Press: A reader has emailed me to ask why it is that the “Focused Protection” proposed by the authors of the GBD is so often dismissed as far too difficult to achieve?
I am puzzled by the typical pushback against the ideas in the Great Barrington Declaration – that we should protect the elderly and vulnerable while the rest get on with life and supporting the economy.
I read arguments such as “it isn’t practical”, “some communities have older folk living with them”, and “school kids are sometimes looked after by grandparents”. This leaves two questions.
The first question is what proportion of the population would find it totally impractical to protect their elderly relatives while life goes on as normal? If, as I suspect, it is a relatively small proportion then why are we not looking for ways to do so to let the majority out of lockdown?
The second question concerns how we would achieve this. I don’t know the answer, but I look around me and see vaccines developed in a very short time; I see innovations in technology; I see Nightingale hospitals up and running in a few weeks; I see, or saw because I am of that age, man land on the moon.
So why is the Great Barrington idea dismissed out of hand as too hard so we won’t even bother to try?
Judicial Reviews Against the Government
There are now so many JRs being brought against the Government and its ministers, we thought we’d include them all in one place down here.
First, there’s the Simon Dolan case. You can see all the latest updates and contribute to that cause here. Alas, he’s now reached the end of the road, with the Supreme Court’s refusal to hear his appeal. Dolan has no regrets. “We forced SAGE to produce its minutes, got the Government to concede it had not lawfully shut schools, and lit the fire on scrutinizing data and information,” he says. “We also believe our findings and evidence, while not considered properly by the judges, will be of use in the inevitable public inquires which will follow and will help history judge the PM, Matt Hancock and their advisers in the light that they deserve.”
Then there’s the Robin Tilbrook case. You can read about that and contribute here.
Then there’s John’s Campaign which is focused specifically on care homes. Find out more about that here.
There’s the GoodLawProject’s Judicial Review of the Government’s award of lucrative PPE contracts to various private companies. You can find out more about that here and contribute to the crowdfunder here.
The Night Time Industries Association has instructed lawyers to JR any further restrictions on restaurants, pubs and bars.
And last but not least there’s the Free Speech Union‘s challenge to Ofcom over its ‘coronavirus guidance’. A High Court judge refused permission for the FSU’s judicial review in December and the FSU has decided not to appeal the decision because Ofcom has conceded most of the points it was making. Check here for details.
Samaritans
If you are struggling to cope, please call Samaritans for free on 116 123 (UK and ROI), email jo@samaritans.org or visit the Samaritans website to find details of your nearest branch. Samaritans is available round the clock, every single day of the year, providing a safe place for anyone struggling to cope, whoever they are, however they feel, whatever life has done to them.
Shameless Begging Bit
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And Finally…
In this week’s episode of London Calling, James Delingpole and I manage to stay off the subject of the Great Reset – mostly – and instead talk about our best Christmas presents, Boris’s Brexit deal and Azincourt, Bernard Cornwell’s cracking historical novel. Listen here and subscribe on iTunes here.
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All school children should return. Last I heard, no child between 28 days and 15 years had died of cv, no teacher had died of cv after being infected by their pupils.
Oh, and thanks to the person who linked to the article about Belarus, I used it on another platform. If Belarus, who didn’t lock down, didn’t ban spectators at sport, really had less excess deaths than the UK, what the hell is the government playing at?
Still, I suppose some people still won’t be convinced. I was trying to convince someone about Sweden who seems to believe that they are not doing so well because their king says so, and because Finland (who it turns out are adding vitamin D to basic foods) have less cv deaths (according to official figures).
Has hancock yet provided any truth to his claim that children are more susceptible to Covid mutant .2 and if so are are they any more likely to get ill or infectious ?
Where is the evidence. They only claimed this new variant a few days ago, so they would have had to test and isolate this virus strain, not just a PCR test, on thousands of children to make such a claim. More useless models? Mass testing on children – is this a one off, regular? It concerns me that people are so blase about this invasive test, it is not pleasant and really should this be done to children based on a claim by a government of cases of a variant strain, based on what evidence. If such an abusive policy is to executed where are the demands for evidence to support their conviction that this so-called strain exists, yet alone is ‘out of control ‘ or more ‘deadly’. I honestly wonder how far would the government have to go before people say enough. Really though, if they announced tomorrow they would be removing all children from their homes and placing them in a secure government location to ‘save the NHS ‘ would the sheeple just comply, I am beginning to think so. I am just so angry that we are allowing our lives to be ruined to save a disfunctional,… Read more »
I get the impression that there is ultimately nothing the sheep would not do if they were infected by further hysteria. They lose all sense of proportion. I find this with my own family members. This morning I was shouted at and ridiculed because I was not willing to be drawn into the current media hysteria about the mutant virus. They really hate it (and you) when you refuse to participate and all the abuse starts about reading fake news etc. I just ask them to calm down and not panic but know its pointless trying to reason with them.
It’s sad. Solidarity, dear Boris Bullshit.
The save the NHS nonsense, is simply cover for keeping the fake Covid-19 pot boiling. This and other senseless measures are about doing everything thing that can be done to get a maximum “voluntary” take up of one or another of Bill Gates’s intentionally dangerous vaccines. Those acceding to vaccination are effectively playing Russian Roulette with a fully loaded revolver.
An interesting issue is the emergence from the shadows of COG-UK which had apparently been conducting DNA sequencing since April in mid December having apparently sequenced a mere 142k samples. It seems to me this extraordinary enterprise was hidden from the public until it became politically expedient to foist the new mutation on us. In November I wrote to PHE asking me whether the government had done any DNA sequencing and they evaded the question (letter 10 December).
In November I asked them:
“In how many cases of Covid in the UK has the presence of the SARS-CoV-2 virus been established by DNA sequencing? Please provide information about the status of the cases.”
On 10 December, just 5 days before Hancock came out opportunistically with his mutation I received this reply.
“”PHE do not use sequencing as a diagnostic test for SARS-CoV 2. Sequencing is only attempted where a sample has already tested positive for SARS-CoV2 using a standard diagnostic PCR test. PHE is not aware of any instances where the presence of SARS-CoV 2 has been determined using sequencing.”
So, no mention of COG-UK.
Sorry, this is ill-edited. Point is the that Public Health England hid the existence of the DNA sequencing service until shortly before Hancock and Ferguson launched their mutation scare. Previously, they hadn’t wanted attention for it, then they need to exploit it.
The COG UK presentation on 18th December showed no sign of panicking scientists, who stressed that early trends can be misleading and often disappear once new info. comes in. It is the panicking politicians who are the problem.
I didn’t see it but of course they suddenly became the centre of attention because of Hancock, Ferguson and Horby.
Do not comply!
Testing of children under 16 (unless part of a clinical diagnosis) should be banned by law. It’s child abuse.
Hate to break it to you but HOC and BBC are riddled with nonces
So, this is my just published letter to BMJ on-line. Basically, how the British government suddenly discovered in mid-December that it had been DNA sequencing SARS-CoV-2 samples for the last 8 months without mentioning it:- Re: Covid-19: New coronavirus variant is identified in UK – the emergence of COG-UKRe: Covid-19: New coronavirus variant is identified in UK Jacqui Wise. 371:doi 10.1136/bmj.m4857 Dear Editor In November I wrote to Public Health England asking: “In how many cases of Covid in the UK has the presence of the SARS-CoV-2 virus been established by DNA sequencing? Please provide information about the status of the cases.” On 10 December, just six days before the publication of this article by Jacqui Wise [1] I received this reply: “”PHE do not use sequencing as a diagnostic test for SARS-CoV 2. Sequencing is only attempted where a sample has already tested positive for SARS-CoV2 using a standard diagnostic PCR test. PHE is not aware of any instances where the presence of SARS-CoV 2 has been determined using sequencing.” So, no mention of COG-UK. I am puzzled, was there any public knowledge of COG-UK before the present episode? For instance, a search on “COG-UK” in Rapid Responses produces no results, so it… Read more »
Sadly it doesn’t matter – no one is holding them to account – make up a new lie -implement new measures move on to next news cycle. The way the vast majority of the press has behaved during this is appalling. Remember only a few weeks ago we were going to have 4,000 people a week dying – out by a huge factor even taking the “with” numbers – but every new lie is treated by the press as if true. To Biker’s point – the dumbing down of the population has been very successful – most of them it’s one swim round the goldfish tank and bang it’s a new castle !
The reason the mainstream media (MSM) is not holding the government to account is very easy to explain.
The MSM is in the Government’s pocket. Just look at the massive advertising campaign re Covid. Radio, TV, newspapers, it’s wall to wall and government is spending millions on this campaign which has been relentless for 10 months and continuing.
The Government is the MSM biggest advertising client and BBC are playing ball in return for dropping the threat of decriminalising non-payment of the licence fee.
This why the media faithfully parrot government’s propaganda.
Exactly.
so much for a free press. Really, all politicians should have to watch The Man Who Shot Liberty Valance (where war is declared on the Shinbone Star’s freedom). John Wayne, great film.
And here we have a Health Minister with no scientific or medical background, no previous job in the real world.
Oh! – just remembered – he’s got a PPE though.
politics philosophy economics? I do find it hard to understand how people who’ve studied economics are so willing to collaborate in the degrading of the economy. Perhaps they should’ve studied history
It’s a bit worrying when some obscure Hancock statement is the only that is vulnerable to criticism.
I have to admit I’m becoming a bit more concerned about the situation. Throughout the first 9 months of the year I knew of no-one who’d had Covid-19 but I now personally know several – most of them young – who are pretty ill with it.
I never doubted it is a real and nasty condition. I try to take precautions as I am vulnerable I’m here as I strongly object to the Government locking us up, making people depressed and suicidal, damaging their immune systems through stress, not giving sensible advice and destroying the economy, lives and livelihoods
Not a statement for a down vote. But sloppy.
Many can muster solopsistic evidence for the opposite case, and, bluntly, there aren’t bodies in the streets, and haven’t been for nine months.
It is a pity that the only reliable data is the enumeration of corpses – but that’s how it is – and we know that indicator shows no epidemic at all – just a seasonally rising death rate in line with all years. Even the analysis of the April spike makes no difference to the analysis of a moderately high infection season into 2020, that is only a ‘pandemic’ by virtue of altered definition.
Ill with what, the confirmed through isolation then globally peer reviewed resulting in thousands of the exact same isolated virus, or just the general PCR gold standard test that has resulted in a positive test and could be any fuckin coronavirus RNA?
It’s funny because I’m not too old just yet and I’ve got a pretty nasty tasting cough right now that I’ve picked up from one of my kids but neither of us are wetting the bed or expecting the world to lockdown. Truth be told, it took super human strength to stop myself licking the mother-in-law. Kept the windows closed though.
Actually now it’s 6 children between 1-14 years old have died with a positive test in the preceding 28 days.
But it’s the 15-19 year olds where the figures get truly frightening – 11 people died after a positive test, that’s 1 in 335,000 – no wonder they want to shut secondary schools !
Listen to the experts – they know so much more than us !
I’m sickened by this ridiculous and wicked government.
Let me guess, most of them will have been the ones with sick notes to be excused PE.
Chart showing percentage of deaths involving Covid from the ONS
Overall 10.4% of all deaths were under 60 , but only 6.25% of covid deaths were under 60
0.14% of all deaths were , sadly children between 1 and 15 years old, 0.01% of the covid deaths were in this age group
Closing schools is insane, considering the damage done to the education, welfare, future prospects and mental heath of the children – this is criminal
I wonder how many children died of the flu last year? Mind you they would not have put that as the cause. They would have put down all the causes unlike covid. Of the six little kids that died, most were seriously ill.
Actually they will list cause as influenza (ICD10 code is 99). Tested by pcr in the hospital lab using an approved pcr test. Children typically have a higher hospital admission rate for influenza per capita than the elderly. But they don’t die from it. There are also approved antivirals, but they aren’t great by time of admission.
The question really is not how many children died, but how many people were admitted to hospital having caught it from their children.
83 died of RSV virus – the symptoms of which in adults are identical to a cold.
More school age children died in 2019 vs 2020 according to the ONS (786 (2020) vs 902 (2019))
I am having a real problem downloading the previous years mortality datasets from the ONS website
Thanks for that. Reminds me of the old chestnut, that we should ban driving children to school as the number who die in accidents on the school run is probably more than that. Perhaps we could see some headlines in the msm with that figure – “1 in 335,000” – perhaps even people who don’t get arithmetic would understand that.
The reason Belarus didn’t lockdown, and the reason that we did, was admitted by the President of Belarus when he allegedly said that he had been pressured to lock his country down by the WEF/World Bank. They allegedly told him that if he didn’t, there would be no further lending of any kind allowed to him. It is an obvious conclusion that Boris the Stupid was pressured in the same way, along with all the other governments. The President of Belarus, being a bear of little brain, but a reasonably decent man as far as supporting his own country, went to Putin as the loans required were not substantial (in state-to-state terms). Putin said yes. The President of Belarus then drew himself up to his full height and declared to those blackmailing him; “GFY”. Being further not a man possessed of magnificent wisdom, but using what he felt was common sense, he went on telly to announce his decision as to the sum total of all actions which he desired his countrymen to adopt with regard to the (at the time) new virus; “Drink more vodka”. That was it. By the merest sequence of flukes, and because he knew no… Read more »
Plotline of A Very British Coup, Ray Macanally. BBC if I remember correctly.
Channel4 and one of the best
still available on All4
We know Macron pressured Johnson to introduce a lockdown. Macron – ex-banker and chief of European globalists – threatened to close the Channel to all movement of goods and people. Johnson should have responded by threatening to close the Channel west to east to all EU traffic but he folded.
Isn’t the World Bank collectively made up of 180 odd countries that are members, thus they’re both making up the rules and lending the money to themselves? (I think I’m beginning to see why no fucker in any of these governments or organisations is calling out the disgraceful conflicts of interests between big Bill, Imperial College, Oxford Uni, SAGE, the WHO, GAVI and the drug makers and pushers).
I’m beyond incandescence.
(I’d rather have the Who 🙂 )
To be fair, he did recommend saunas as well as wodka. 🙂
Reminds me of when Belgium went for months without a government and things carried on pretty much as normal. We might in many cases be better off with someone like the president of Belarus than politicians to be too clever and micromanage a virus.
So far as when this is all over (if it ever is) is concerned, I should say I’m quite prepared to forgive some of the ignorant sheeple who went along with it knowing no better, however, those in Big Pharma and the CCP, those who were all too willing to listen to them and their proxies and are guilty as sin should face the full weight of Nuremberg mark II. I have been suspicious of big pharma’s political influence for years, and my suspicions were confirmed when my favourite food, apricot kernels, were banned from being sold as a food by the EU. Even if you don’t believe it prevents cancer, why were they so keen to ban it when I and others have been taking them for years without any ill effects? And how much else is big pharma influencing if their anti-laetrile campaign can sway the powers that be like this? Another German reference for Annie, from Max Frisch’s Andorra (a play where Andorra represented Switzerland during ww2) – “Ich bin nicht Schuld (I am not guilty) – what all the characters who had collaborated in the evil (an allegory of Nazi evil) said at the end of… Read more »
I loathe and detest the zombies only fractionally less than their controllers. But we can’t put virtually the entire population on trial, however much they deserve it as acccessories before, during and after the fact. We shall have to live with them afterwards.
Unless, of course, they all decide to hide under the bed for the rest of their miserable existences.Think of all the room that would give us to enjoy our own, real lives.
Agree. As I said here yesterday we’ll have people going “its time for healing let bygones be bygones” and while we will have to live with them afterwards I think we have a sacred duty to remind them of their cowardice and their willingness to condone evil.
Definitely. Never forget, never forgive.
Eventually, and only after a grovelling level of contrition by the sheeple, a condescending pat on the head to fogive; but always bring the subject up again at the slightest pretext.
I absolutely guarantee you that there will be a call for a “Truth & Reconciliation” commission because the numbers and embarrassment will be so huge.
Yes, I was thinking about a truth and reconciliation-type commission of some kind, depending on how this all ends up (if it ever ends). There might also be something like how the German population was treated after the Second World War (in the West), where active de-nazification took place in an environment of common guilt.
While I try to be fair to people, I think we should not infantilise them; this is actually one of the reasons why we are where we are. Adults need to be treated as such and held responsible for allowing this to happen (at least in democracies). Being an adult in a democracy entails some responsibility as a citizen.
Perhaps I’m being unfair, but I will never be able to forgive most people for going along with this. I was against it from the beginning, seeing where it would go and what it would do to us. I was treated like a leper by colleagues and even friends. To hell with them.
Well said and I think at some point there will be a drawing of a line under the sand. I will be professional outwardly but will never trust a great many people again. Ever. Perhaps I’m being unfair, but I will never be able to forgive most people for going along with this. I was against it from the beginning, seeing where it would go and what it would do to us. I was treated like a leper by colleagues and even friends. To hell with them. Agree with this. And don’t forget families too, my dad’s crass response to my message was the final straw for me and I’m done with them for the time being. I’ve pulled back with some people and I don’t expect to socialise with them or even remain friends when this is all over. If I confront them, I won’t be surprised if they will use the “I was protecting you/keeping you safe” defence but I don’t see it that way. I would interpret their refusing to meet up or even their exaggerated attempts at social distancing to be an insult and a sign that they don’t want to be friends with me anymore.… Read more »
We will need a dephobicisation programme to wean people off the fear. There should be wide ranging public health information emphasising that viruses are a natural part of life and our bodies we well adapted to dealing with them, that our natural immunity is a powerful controller of disease and that by eating well, taking some vitamin supplements and following basic hygiene rules, we can stay well into old age.
They tried Truth and Reconciliation in South Africa. How well did that work?
Indeed. They should never be allowed to forget that they allowed all this to happen and even collaborated with it.
And well said about a “Truth & Reconciliation” because many people will be desperate to cover up what they did. Plus anticipate a mass deletion of virtue signalling posts and photos on social media when this is all over.
We can however note them down and blame them face to face for all the misery and deaths to come.
The zombies are just very annoying. The movers and shakers behind this atrocity are criminal. I might get over the first, but not the second.
Over Xmas I rewatched a lecture from Yale by historian John Merriman in which he examines collaboration and resistance in nazi occupied Europe.
One of his interesting observations is that many people in Poland, France, Belgium and The Netherlands collaborated because the nazis were doing what they wanted doing in getting rid of Jews gays and Gypsies.
Not only did local Police make the arrests they also manned the transit camps en route to Germany. This was denied in France until the 1980’s.
The fascist regime of Vichy France used the word ‘Shield’ to defend this policy, claiming that giving the nazis what they wanted ‘Shielded’ the rest of the population.
John asks the question several times “did they know (about the death camps) ? Of course they knew, everyone knew”
John Merriman Yale University Lectures
YouTube
I agree. There was a lot of popular support and acquiescence for what they did. Everywhere in Europe. Including here in the UK. Not just in Germany and Austria.
Popularity does not equal morality. Despotic evil is always justified as a way to “protect” humanity. People forget that all historical evil was never badged as evil but was always justified as moral.
I think many of us also know that Churchill was pretty much the only member of the 1930s British political class who consistently opposed Hitler. Whatever else he got wrong (and it was a lot of things….) he deserves his greatness purely for that. It outweighs every other fault he may have had.
The majority of quotation corner confirm your para 2 second sentence.
Piers Corbyn is the only good Corbyn unfortunately. Jeremy has fully supported the tyranny and I suspect we would have been under a Melbourne style lockdown to ‘protect’ the NHS and that most large businesses would have been nationalised. Really hoped he would come out and support his brothers stand at least in principle in the media.
I don’t think Jezza believes in Lockdown. He doesn’t even bother to adhere to it himself! People also forget he was a massive euro skeptic too. No wonder people are so disillusioned with politics when everything has to be prescribed as right vs left. It’s a nasty American habit we need to drop.
Have you read Cracked?. It’s a few years old now but probably still as relevant.
My dad was diagnosed with clinical depression and that prompted my research. In the beginning the doctors were basically experimenting on him, with one drug almost helping him to top himself.
I agree with you, they’re all in it for the money.
httpss://www.waterstones.com/book/cracked/james-davies/9781848316546
Peter Hitchens is very good on how some of these,psychoactive drugs are very dangerous, being associated with not just suicide but also mass killings.
No mercy to the collaborators
Sorry
Dr Vernon Coleman’s book ‘How to Stop Your Doctor Killing You’ is a great read. If I could have my tine all over again the thing I would change is that I would keep well away from the medical profession as much as possible. All my illnesses have been caused by inappropriate drugs (and the drugs to counteract the side effects of that drug and so on) and treatment. I used to work for the NHS and the public would be horrified if they knew the truth.
Go ahead, then, horrify the public. They deserve it.
Andorra is a great play. Die Brandstifter fits our current scenario very well.
And that’s why they’ll never allow it to be all over.
Since it is a disease you might not know you’ve got, how will we know when we get over it?
Very interesting about apricot kernels, I found the banning unexplained as many wholefood shop staff have too.
I know of a relative who ended up taking a whole series of medications including one for low blood pressure and one for high blood pressure- to be taken at the same time!
I do not watch television
Once every day I view the BBC news website
I do this to find out what is not the truth, and what line of propaganda the government are pushing on any given day
Cecil, you are a brave man.To visit the BBC website must be like wading through s…t.
And you do it for us.
You are a hero.
Agreed
Ditto. My total boycott of MSM has been complete for months now.
Me too, I just come on here (other than a snowflake board where I lurk to test the temperature. They are all babbling today about how everyone they know is testing positive despite only going to the supermarket and always being masked, but rather than question the efficacy of the test they are awestruck by the power of the new variant).
They probably don’t question the efficacy of their face nickers either.
They’re so predictable!
It is curious how it works on that emotional level. The BBC content is so repellent many many people actively avoid it. It is so disgusting to read the fresh words of new lies and new words of continued lies.
Interesting observation @Basics. Yes it is a visceral recoiling from horrible stuff now. From not watching the telly, I can now no longer listen to R4 at all as all the content is woke infused and I even leap for the volume control on R3 when a news summary is flagged. I listen to French FIP radio quite a bit now which is news free and generally good quality. I get some of the French but it isn’t needed as chat is limited. Recommended.
Similarly I have not watched any television for 15 years.
I sometimes click unknowingly on a BBC video clip or web page but treat it with caution.
I do however listen to BBC R4 in the morning and R2 around lunchtime, like you to be aware of what the government is spouting as serious news and later populist propaganda.
I consider myself immune to their wiles and stratagems having occasionally predicted their next move before they had thought of it (not because I am so clever rather because they are so predictable).
Agreed. Need to see whats being sold on MSM to better grasp what is (not) going on.
Likewise…today they were back full circle to condemning people to hell for walking in the Brecon Beacons 🤦🏻♀️
Managed to socialise normally, as in days of yore, with 2 friends on the 25th: lunch, celebratory Prosecco, presents, conversation.
However, one friend ,who is still fully signed up to imprisonment without parole, has now decided that ‘the new variant’ , now being whipped up by the media, poses such a threat that she will have to avoid all young people as potential plague spreaders.
I attempted a brief account of viral mutation commonly leading to reduced virulence, since killing the hosts would inevitably lead to viral demise, but she was having none of it.
Admittedly, I’m no specialist, merely appalled by what has befallen us, but I tried to use the analogy of viewing a convenient human as a parking space for the virus, a phenomenon which has led to our coexistence for millennia.
Both friends want the vaccine, so I decided not to declare my opposition.
Meanwhile, we’re back in Tier 4, masks everywhere- discarded on pavements, gagging faces, fiddled with and utterly pointless.
https://thecritic.co.uk/issues/november-2020/welcome-to-covidworld/
This might explain why some people are “having none of it”.
Stuff tier 4, stuff those filthy masks!
Has any teacher actually died yet after being infected by their pupils? Or perhaps this teenage mutant ninja bug will be different? One for Bebop or Rocksteady!
How do we get MPs to read such material much of which we are familiar with ?
That would only be of any use if they weren’t all in a conspiracy to destroy us and take away life as we once knew it. Above with the article is it a conspiracy goes all the way to show the lengths decent people like Toby want to hide behind the obvious because to admit a conspiracy means we truly are living under occupation. We no longer run our own country and will now have to live under the global tyranny of the climate emergency. Aside from wither or not there is a climate crisis these people say there is and they are coming for you. They want our cars, our boilers, our holidays, our cash, our ability to trade between ourselves. For all the dumb fucks like Rich H it’s exactly the kind of society they want but being lefties they have a hard time seeing it. We have been bounced into a world of total and utter communism. Which can only end in total failure after these people have killed millions if not billions this time. As far as not saying to your friends you won’t take the vaccine then you’ve let yourself down, your family down and… Read more »
? See bellow.
Maybe they’ve been banned from reading such material? Gag order.
i have gotten so disgusted with seeing people in their filthy face masks that they’re constantly fiddling with that I don’t even want to go anywhere that I could encounter them.There’s exactly one muzzle-free pub in our town, that’s where we go when we want a sliver of normal human interaction. Our shopping is down to the most absolutely necessary for the running of our household (and we’ve since discovered there’s all kinds of stuff we really don’t need) just to avoid having to see the sheep with all the face diapers, even if we go unmuzzled. All this compliance makes me so FURIOUS I really have to suppress the temptation to try to slap sense into them.
I quite agree; it’s the blank stares which accompany the gags which I find so unsettling.
Same as you for shopping: done as quickly as possible, early in the mornings, before the zombies replicate.
Oh, the horrid, suspicious, malicious, venomous, beady little eyes of the (female) ultrazombie.
And the nightmare suspicion that under the ordinary zombie face knickers there’s just a featureless blank.No person. Not even an animal. Animals have expressions. Animals have emotions. Animals are not self-cancelled nothingnesses.
Unfortunately its made most people mentally ill.
Each to their own Elizabeth but I refuse to alter my behaviour in any way except to try to share a smile with fellow bare faced people.
Did you not say you kept quiet to your friends about not taking the vax? That’s changing your behaviour. Just tell them you won’t have it and while you’re at it tell your friends that they are fucking morons for believing tis obvious bullshit and if they wanted to find out what was really going down it isn’t hard. We’re nearly a year into this and if we don’t argue with each and every single supporter of this then you’d be as well putting on the mask, get the vax, selling your car, turning off your boiler and eating fucking soya beans while you live off the food coupons our socialist government has so kindly given you in exchange for your new, improved, keep everyone safe, protect the NHS freedom.
Nope, I’ve never said that, I’ve never discussed taking the vaccine with anyone but I have asked a couple of medics if they would be.
It was me Biker, in particular circumstances,as I did not wish to start an argument on the 25th.
However, I’ve said to many others that I won’t have it.
I choose when and how to challenge the zealots; this might not meet with your approval but we all resort to differing strategies.
I’ve never had the slightest hint of success of inducing any doubt whatsoever in anyone else I know – and just about everyone I know has bought fully into this.
Their minds are closed. They are no longer capable of rational thought or analysis, and perhaps never were.
Go only knows where this ends.
Same here, no point anymore. Those not awake now will sleep forever.
The only consolation is that perhaps they don’t really count for much. Their response is reactionary, and shallow. Their ‘opinions’ will blow and change with the wind. Sceptics, however, although vastly outnumbered, have generally thought long and hard about this, and are far stronger for it. That’s why I still think we’ll pull through eventually.
I recall you posting the other day that your comrades in Helmand would all have been against this shitshow – I think I have that right. Do you think that’s because they can identify the relative level of risk better than most people? Or is it because they can see through the tripe?
As I recall you alluding to in that post, in my experience (mainly naval, from a civilian viewpoint) the senior officers are essentially corporate mouthpieces, and no one pulls them up.
Quality versus quantity, TJN. 🙂
They do look dead behind the eyes its so unsettling. Even when they try to smile, it looks fake and forced, that’s why I end up not really looking at masked people directly because I find the whole thing disturbing and not helped that I can’t understand what they’re saying.
Hence why like you I avoid going into the shops and if I have to, its to grab what I want, pay and leave. No browsing and no more impulse purchases.
I think it will be bricks through windows and people with the equivalent of pitchforks soon. The madness is that they blame us when the reverse is the truth.
My thoughts exactly. Except I don’t have an unmasked pub to go to.
I HATE masks.
I hate the masks, dirty filthy naps spreading disease.
I have had a similar experience. While chatting to a friend on the phone discussing plans for Christmas. I said I would be calling in to see my family to drop off my grandsons gift and that I may call by just to say Happy Christmas on my way home. I was stunned that my friend of 50 years said that I would not be welcome to call. When asked why? I was told. “Its because you do not wear a mask when you go outside or when you go to the shops. I don’t want you to infect me with the mutant virus and kill me.” or words to that effect. And that’s that! Shortly after I received a text message saying,”Does your family know you go out without a mask/ And are they happy for you to visit? It was a nice try at inflicting a guilt trip but my answer to both questions was Yes & Yes.But those two questions may have scarred a long friendship, time will tell. My friend has become a fully indoctrinated “Mask Nazi” and I am saddened and at the same time incandescent with rage that this should happen. It seems that… Read more »
Wilful stupidity is what I’d call it; after all,whether or not they’re all in the grip of terror ,they have to choose to abide by this particular stance, even though this choice will be concealed beneath layers of self righteous censure of the heretics and free thinkers.
I saw several young children,accompanied by their mothers,all masked up in the supermarket today; it’s so depressing and I feel like an alien species now.
PS: I received a mild ticking off from a rules-following friend before Christmas,when I broke out and invited another friend in for coffee and an exchange of books.
To think that so harmless an activity could attract criticism; it’s unbelievable.
Your friend is just the kind of person that the government needs to continue propagating its nefarious deeds. Good Stasi material.
They were hoping all along that one day they could make a statement like that. They need as much fodder as they can muster. Evil.
I find this too….once hysteria sets in all reason evaporates and abuse takes its place. Best to avoid her until this is over if it ever is.
I would happily pull back and when you’re asked why tell that person the truth.
I’ve said from the beginning (ad infinitum and ad nauseam) that if these bits of blue stuff were truly effective, then they’d be considered highly contaminated material, and as such would be treated as hazardous waste, with proper bins provided for their disposal.
The government overplaying its hand is one possible way this all collapses. School closures are going to annoy a lot of people.
Every time I think, “This time the government has overplayed its hand,” sure enough the sheeple keep going along. If enough parents are convinced the “new” mutant strain is a danger to their children they’ll be more than happy to obey. That’s the insidious thing about them putting it out there that children *may* be more at risk now; it had become very clear that children are not at all at risk themselves and were not spreading it, so the fear factor had to be amped up to ensure continued compliance. Where they, and the WHO, may overplay their hand is with more and more “new” strains such that people finally give up and say we’ve done all we can, there’s no way to eradicate an endemic virus, and it’s time to move on. Probably wishful thinking on my part…
You have to admire the industry of the terror merchants, though.They must consult one another every day, for hours, in their untiring attempts to think up more lies.
Yes. I wonder who’s paying them to do all this?
Well, good night Vienna!
Sponsored by the globalist trillionaire shadow government FILTH
The World Bank threatens to withdraw support if they don’t.
they don’t give a fuck these cunts aint human. The sold their soul to the devil a long time ago.
Many of them believe in the occult, an important fact, they think completely differently. People still say it is a ‘conspiracy’ but it is even on Wikipedia that the most powerful men in the world met each year to take part in occult rituals at Bohemian Grove.
They were closed most of this year and the sheeples didn’t even bleat.
It will give a lot of other people excuse to stay off work to look after their unschooled children.
Bro, most of the country are too thick to understand how important schooling is for children. This is obvious when you consider most of us send our little bastards to state school where the chances of learning anything are slimmer than socialist admitting they steal money from your pocket because they can’t manage their own life without it.
Every time we think the government has overplayed its hand, we are disappointed.
Had a zoom call last night with friends with kids who were indeed moaning about the possibility of the schools not reopening but of course, they will go along with it when it happens. What else can they do?
So I keep hearing, for about 9 months now. There is no ‘overplaying’ as the sheeple believe whatever the Thinking Box tells them; case in point, the ‘new’ more transmissible variant – no evidence but TV said so.
It fucked everyone over – including the childless, as everyone at my work was made to work harder to pick up the slack from parents who were home schooling all day rather than wfh.
When the shit hits the fan its usually the singles or childless who have the extra work dumped on them!
From the BMJ article referenced above:
The UK’s testing strategy needs to be reset in line with the Scientific Advisory Group for Emergencies’ recommendation that “Prioritising rapid testing of symptomatic people is likely to have a greater impact on identifying positive cases and reducing transmission than frequent testing of asymptomatic people in an outbreak area.’
Sounds as if the Onions came up with a bit of sense for once.So is the bloody government listening to the experts or not?
All right, don’t tell me. (Weary sigh.)
There is a rumour that Tier Five will involve no outdoor exercise and an 8pm curfew. Does anyone think they would go hat far and would it be widely obeyed/disobeyed. No, not asking for a friend in the government.
Barking mad if they do, getting outside is the way to keep healthy, shutting people up makes them sick, it is totally counterproductive. I organise work groups for local wildlife/conservation work and have noticed that people are becoming quite keen to sign up, they can see this coming and are hoping that work will be spared these restrictions and enable them to get out.
Counterproductive is what they want hence disease inducing masks and immune system destroying isolation and distancing.
Would have said no, but now, it’s possible. Thing is, always prior to the latest lockdowns, I see lots of people out and about, pubs, shops etc. Clearly those people do not agree with the lockdowns or else they’d have taken it upon themselves to stay in already.
Great, but then the very next day, they obediently vanish.
Where are they? Why are they not fighting back?
I guess it is a big step to become a law breaker. What introducing rules like this does is ruin previously relaxing and pleasurable pastimes by introducing anxiety. I think this is why many appear to go along with the rule changes. Could the tipping point be where most find it impossible to obey the rules and people just say sod it why obey any of them.
Publicly few people will admit to defiance of the pandemic restrictions. Privately it is hard to find anyone that fully complies. Lately it is refreshing to see increasing movement and visits to others houses. Obviously the big problem is businesses like pubs and restaurants and organisations like museums and schools. I do feel the tide is turning (slowly) and the real risk of this virus is being understood by a wider public. It is possible that the govt would go to the tier 5 you are asking about and yes it would be disobeyed although not initially widely.
Evidence suggests that the majority would comply. Not me though.
I noticed that the BBC (spit) no longer list exercise as a reason to leave home in Tier 4, so yes very likely, plus masks in the open air and possibly in the home.
What’s worse is that the fuckwits will obey
Insanity. So far this year, covering the first 50 weeks, 181,535 people under 75 have died in England and Wales. The average for the last 5 years was 169,465. The UK population has grown from an average of 66.025m for those years to 67.360m in 2020, an increase of 2.02%. So on a comparable basis, the ‘excess’ deaths aged under 75 for 2020 is 8,645 people. 8,645 people in the whole of England and Wales have died over and above the average of the last 5 years due to COVID and due to the outrageous and disgusting campaign of fear led by the government of the Democratic United Kingdom. We don’t know how many in each category but even if they are all COVID that’s fewer than 1 in 5,000 under 75s who died from this ‘pandemic’ or 1 death out of every 21. For the over 75s it’s around 1 person in 250 or 1 death in 17. These figures have scared the government so much, they are now going to lock us all up in our houses and shut our schools, as well as pubs, restaurants, cinemas, travel, shops, etc, which are already shut. Somebody tell me there’s… Read more »
I think that the health tyrants have realised that the deaths data is looking a little threadbare to support their fascist regime. So they have turned to the safer area of an overwhelmed NHS, the data and the narrative coming from the NHS is tricky to analyse objectively, especially when they interlink it with heart wrenching stories of worn out staff and desperate patients.
There seem to be 2 things that spook the general public, deaths and any threat to the NHS, they are playing up the NHS one for all it is worth and there are still enough of the public willing to buy into this story that they will support ever more stringent lockdown measures.
So you think these people are influenced by reality ?
Anyone visiting my major regional hospital can tell there is nothing happening there, another good reason for them to be kept away as much as possible.
The main impact is the loss of beds and staff to Covid fear.
First Covid story on Local Live (mirror group news) is #5, it is not about cases or deaths but staff shortages.
When I see mortality rising outside normal limits for the quarter century, then I might start re-thinking. But there’s a long way to go to exceed that historical level. In fact, mortality is currently closer to the minimum.
And the level of that upper bound didn’t cause hysteria when it happened. My daughter was born; life otherwise went on as normal.
A large proportion of those 8,645 excess deaths will be suicides driven by lockdown.
And people who were refused or avoided essential treatment on the NHS for non-Covid related conditions.
The latest mad ravings emanating from our new unelected SAGE leaders keeps saying that only year 11 and 13 will return.
What about year 12, the first year of A levels, which for many is an exam year just like year 13?
SAGE are not the ‘leaders’. They just provide the fodder for the politicians. These incompetent snake-oil salesmen deserve no excuses and camouflage.
Whilst I agree that Boris and co use Sage to defy all responsibility, I also do feel that the voice they have, and the authority they have, far exceeds their remit.
Time after time, sage have recommended a measure, the government have ignored it, only to have sage go the very next day to the press, crying that they have been ignored.
Within hours, they have their way.
These are whistleblowers on an epic scale, and as such should not be on the public’s payroll ”advising” the elected government.
I agree with what you say but to call them “whistleblowers” is to give them cover for what is really self serving ecocentric pseudo scientific arrogance.
Junk Science.
No problemo in Gulag Wales. All exams cancelled. Nothing to get up for.
In order to remain In power the dictatorship has resorted to threatening our children and grandchildren
Hopefully it will be the rock they perish on
History of Moloch and Baal Hammon are against that hope. We had already mortgaged our grandchildren’s future to pay for current spending before the latest insanity.
https://www.aier.org/article/should-dr-birx-be-forgiven-for-breaking-her-own-rules/
Another good one from the AIER
Welcome back children. I hope you had a good Christmas. This term were going to learn about the joy, meaning and purpose of life.
But first. Masks on. Keep 2 metres apart. Get tested. Fuck off and hide.
And make sure you open the window to blow the virus particles (?) away.
Another early waking.
But I am surprised to see this :
“the recent rise in daily cases” as the rationale for an examination of lockdown measures
We know that the terms ‘cases’ and ‘infections’ are meaningless in this context. To summarize the late Kary Mullis re. the misinterpretation of PCR+ results : “Seek and ye shall find”.
… and what do we have? Yet another Scary Fairy tale – of mutant deviants – again at the point where the justification for the vaccination sweepstake (‘loads o’ money’) was stalling.
We’ve seen the blueprint for exaggerated hyperbole in the Swine ‘flu debacle.
So why take the consistently failed modellers as having something serious to say?
However you smell it, bullshit is bullshit.
Whether you agree with the scale or not, I think it exaggerates the numbers by a factor of ten, the Zoe app and the ONS Survey have been very good indicators of the trend in positive cases. Zoe shows the trend levelling off and the ONS has stopped reporting the results of its survey because it doesn’t fit with Ferguson’s bullshit. There was a disturbance to the endemic equilibrium in the south east, emanating from nosocomial transmission in the prisons on the isle of Sheppy. The herd’s immunity has absorbed the temporary rise in numbers and now cases are falling back. Lockdown has to be seen to be the reason for this natural occurrence because the alternative is that the UK has destroyed itself for zero benefit.
I found an interesting academically led YouTube podcast called This Week in Virology which has been running for quite a number of years. Obviously, in recent times, they have concentrated on the issue of the covid virus. There’s some interesting things to be said here regarding the recent two variants of Covid 19. They discuss the statements made in the public domain by Matt Hancock and Boris Johnson and others regarding the alleged increased infectivity of this virus (71%) and make it clear that this needs to be treated with a considerable caution. Moreover, the allegation that this variance may lead to more young people being infected seems to be currently without any scientific validity. Second, they discuss the findings of the NERVTAG meeting minutes and PHE briefing. Again, like most thorough academics, they make the point that more data is needed. Therefore, my take from this is that the current hysteria from the mainstream media regarding these so called mutant viruses is sensationalist and without any current scientific rigour. The bottom line is that viruses have variance in their protein coatings and this is normal in their evolution and doesn’t necessarily mean anything particularly sinister. It certainly needs to… Read more »
“the allegation that this variance may lead to more young people being infected seems to be currently without any scientific validity.”
… as is almost everything said about this variant – and others.
I have not seen any response to Carl Heneghan’s blunt call for evidence – only fiction based on the mathematical modelling of windy assumptions.
The “70% transmissibility” is now reported as fact by the press and that Independeent SAGE also advises the Government (is it not bad enough the appointed SAGE is so appalling without self appointed “experts” putting their oar in.
One of their “Doctors” was advocating Tier 4 for all the country – all this in one articke by the DM.
The doctor in question is a director of a racial equality organisation;her knowledge is what exactly?
Do journalists really care about any standards they should be keeping,any conscience – sorry stupid question – let’s leave it as rhetorical.
Anybody reading the predictions in today’s update must be stunned by this mathematical modelling. They have put in the parameters they wanted and are now proud over the results.You cannot factor in anything with that certainty and even less feed it into their models. UK does 50 times more sequencing than any other nation. An enormous bias. This variant has been around since Sept in all over the world. This variant has a mutation also affecting ORF8 which can indicate less pathogenicity. Only the UK scientists have found any preponderance of the strain in the UK.Other countries have not even bothered. All previous investigations have not found that it became the predominant strain in other countries Even pro vaccine lobby admits that vaccine might not protect against transmission of C-19 Leading virologists have said that you need culturing the virus from this strain and comparing it to other strains before you can assess if it is more transmissible. In short there are so many variables in the equation that it would be utterly delusional if you can predict anything with these variables and many contradict each other. This must be the final proof that you cannot make any predictions with… Read more »
To be fair the human immune system is pretty good at cross recognition of coronaviruses.- this has been known for a while.
Anything else is bio-weapon territory which isn’t helpful
What really astonishes me now is the way that Boris is strutting around claiming victory over Brexit, whilst the entire country is under actual and psychological house arrest, hospitals are all but closed, elderly people in care homes have in some cases been in criminal isolation and alone since March, businesses are failing by the day and a masked up public are too infantilised to step outside.
I voted remain and believed at the time it to be the biggest political event of my life. But now? Who cares right now?
God, you should try Joseph Stalin Dungford.
I’m another who voted ‘Remain’ – not for any particular love of current EU institutions, but because Brexit was obviously a disruptive irrelevancy in the great scheme of things – based on making money for the few and delusion for the many..
Little did I realize just how quickly the irrelevance would emerge in comparison with the reality of global financial and power structures. The image of Nero and his fiddle would be an appropriate Brexit symbol in terms of ‘control’, with key opportunist Brexiteers currently leading the parade in honour of the totalitarian state.
Currently, I’m getting no satisfaction at all from being proved right.
There are just as many people on the remain side of the camp who support lockdowns. How can you say you have been proved right?
I voted leave because I didn’t agree with supranational governments as I seen it as mission creep toward NWO (conspiracy loon that I am). I could just as easily say I am being proved right by the day.
The dude’s a socialist so he’s always right.
Mention of Uberfuhrer Boris put me in mind of Kryten’s defence speech when Rimmer was on trial in Red Dwarf;
he was a lowly grease monkey… a zero… a nothing… a piece of sputum floating in the toilet bowl of life. Yet he could never come to terms with a lifetime of under achievement, his absurdly inflated ego would never permit it. He was like the security guard on the front gate who considers himself head of the corporation……
A man so petty and small minded that he would while-away the evening sewing name-labels onto his ship issue condoms. A man of such awesome stupidity, an over zealous trumped up little squirt….. an incompetent vending machine repair man with a Napoleon complex…
Who would permit this man, this joke of a man, this man who could not outwit a used tee-bag, to be in a position where he might endanger the entire crew? who …. only a yoghurt!
I like that but it could apply to so many.
Red Dwarf as an allegory for political commentary – priceless.
He’s Arnold, Arnold, Arnold Rimmer
More reliable than a garden strimmer
the sad thing is that Johnson believes he is Ace Rimmer .
Wrestling alligators in midair?
Red Dwarf thirty years ago –
Season 4 Ep 02 – D.N.A.
30 years later mRNA
Season 4 Ep 02 – D.N.A.
30 years later mRNA
I voted leave but regard the whole business of Brexit as a distraction from the problems caused by this governments lockdown policies.
I voted Leave, but Brexit is now a total sideshow.
We are living through the worst period of government since William the Conqueror.
Absolutely agree. His triumphalism while the country (and the rest of Europe) is being destroyed is obscene – and I am a Brexiteer.
Vain egomaniac. A typical politician.
Very interesting, all too brief, discussion yesterday on the likely consequences of this governmental ineptitude that plumbs depths in this country not seen, arguably, since the eighteenth century.
Beyond dispute is that there are various ‘clever clogs’ out there hoping to use this debacle to advance their zany ideas.
The peril lies in the political law of unintended consequences, seen recently at its most hilarious (though not if you live there) in the labour party’s attempt, via devolution, to arrange power for themselves in perpetuity in Scotland.
Maybe: ‘A certain butterfly is already on the wing’ (Nabokov)
‘…..coercion was used in many cases to “encourage” the collectivization of rural areas and private property was probably taken by force in urban areas as well. The revolutionaries also never entirely took full power in the areas they controlled. In Barcelona, the city with the most significant anarchist presence, at least 25% of the economy was always outside of syndicalist influence. Rates were higher in other areas. As the revolution only lasted ten months, questions on how the society would have continued to develop remain unanswered.’
https://bigthink.com/scotty-hendricks/what-happens-when-anarchists-run-a-country-history-has-an-answer
You never know……it might work…….
A sudden thought: if you accept that the NHS is currently running the country, then it could be argued that an anarcho-syndicalist revolution has already taken place…….but not a bloodless one……
Very good! No indeed, Moloch demands a steady supply.
The NHS is the pretext for the fascist coup that has taken place.We are in the stage where the regime cements its power
The NHS is just one member of the Global Public Health Network.
Remember how, as kids, if a friend passed you something to eat or to drink from you’d blow on it to “blow the germs away?” Now, in the latest scientific advice for gathering in the home, we’re being told to open the windows to blow the Coronavirus particles away.
It’s science, Jim, but not as we know it.
In other news, we investigate alchemy as a possible method for turning media hysteria into CoVID-19 Vaccine.
Yes I keep hearing that strange advice. Incredible nonsense.
I have never seen anyone blow on shared drink or food – though I have seen people wipe the top of a bottle or can when sharing. Alchemy became chemistry – nuclear power stations can make gold.
There are 2kg of bacteria in us and on us. Mostly in our lower intestine. Mice bred without these bacteria act differently, recklessly. Most of our serotonin is made in our guts by bacteria.
Bacteria are not viruses. Viruses are much cmaller. And viruses are not alive.
Someone asked me about that a while ago
”How.much is 2kg of bacteria ”
I clenched my fist and replied ‘about a fistfull’
you should have said “about 4lb 6 1/2 oz” – something meaningful
A new Clint Eastwood movie.
Someone said it was about the size of a human brain.
My reply “That explains dieticians then”
2kg of bacteria? How was it calculated?
Presumably removed from a cadaver and weighed.
Kill all the bacteria (temporarily) and weigh the person before and afterwards. I have found the weight to be closer to 2 lb, but allowing for not getting all of them, it could be a bit more.
Read The Alchemist many years ago. Can’t remember anything of it.
The ‘science’ and ‘use of evidence’ around this shitshow reminds me very strongly of 17th-century witch-hunting. The same mix of paranoid fear, confirmation bias, victimisation, cowardice, moral righteousness, all driven by underlying low-level gnawing guilt and insecurity.
Newton was an alchemist too, seems strange but then he got caught by South Sea bubble. Genius close to madness.
Wow, loads of alchemy students all of a sudden. 🙂 Can only be good.
Newton’s remark on astrology seems relevant.
The South Sea Bubble is another mania which reminds me of today.
The thing is with these manias – eventually they burn themselves out. Eventually.
Hugh Trevor-Roper.
https://www.amazon.com/European-Witch-Craze-16th-Century/dp/0140137181/ref=sr_1_75?dchild=1&qid=1609254698&refinements=p_27%3AHugh+Trevor-Roper&s=books&sr=1-75
Yes, I know of the Hugh Trevor-Roper book but have never read it. I read parts of Keth Thomas’s Religion and the Decline of Magic many years ago. But it particular I’m thinking of the Bideford (1682) and Salem (1692-3) witch trials, the transcripts and various studies of which I read in detail at the same time.
We like to think we are more enlightened, and maybe some of the human race is. Most are the same, or perhaps even worse, than their 17th-century counterparts though.
It’s
sciencereligion, Jim, but not as we know it.Not a natural conspiracy theorist here, but knowing that an ignorant population is a pliant population, I might be persuaded that the government is less keen that they might seem to be when it comes to getting our children back to school.
Kind of reminds me of the “no representation without taxation” episode of The New Statesmen all those years ago.
Maybe, to counteract all the false information (newspeak for verified facts) out there, and to compensate for all the closed schools, the government can set up some sort of extra-mural organisation for our kids – a sort of CoVID Youth, with uniforms based on PPE. Naturally, they’d all be masked.
CoVID Youth or Hitler Youth?
An historian depressingly delved into the workings of a German Reserve Police unit in WW2 (a murdering unit) and found,IIRC,about 10% were zealots,10% would absent themselves when “wet work” as the Sovs called it was to be done but the vast majority just got on with their job.
When people complain of the “sheeple” or “zombies” think of that 80% and their real belief in the Nuremberg Defense – “We just followed orders”.
I agree.
We all like to think we would have opposed Hitler. That is easy to say from today’s perspective and it is physically safe plus morally advantageous to do so.
How many of us would truly have been Sophie Scholl?
The events of the last 9 months have shown how scarily easy it would be for a proper totalitarian state to take hold.
Yes, the fragility of all we thought we had. Almost unbearable to contemplate, fortunately not for too long in my case (just passage of time, nothing more sinister).
And this is not a proper one?
This is one.
It is Coronunism
‘Covid Youth’ – Chilling.
I don’t suppose Boris and his mates read lockdownsceptics but you really shouldn’t put such ideas into his head!
Boris ? mates ? Come on OB, you’re perpetuating the ‘cuddly’ image.
He’s Johnson, and he has minions/advisors/apparatchiks/handlers.
Really like the James Alexander piece. It seems a very good perspective on what is really going on here, in historical / sociological terms. If I understand it correctly: the Covid situation scared lots of people and this has led the political / elite class to put in place a kind of Benevolent Dictatorship. In this process, the populists who have been rebelling against politically correct culture have ended up being disarmed. They have been scared by Covid too and have put their trust in the political, scientific and media elite to “protect” them. The state is then the only institution in town in a world where religion has declined, trade unions are no longer a force and charities, universities, scientists etc. are largely funded by it. For me, this is almost the definition of fascism, which is the fusion of state and society; with independent power and idea centres oppressed. in such a situation, war is often used by ruling elites as a way to create unity and stay in power. This is even if that is not the root cause of the war. This current situation feels increasingly analogous to war: the one issue perspective, the urge to… Read more »
johnson is still trying to present himself as the new Churchill and this requires him to pretend Covid is the equivalent of WW2.
I was just about to post the same sort of comment, but thought I would check if someone had already posted. Totally agree with your thoughts. It is not open to rational debate, its a state sponsored ‘religion’.
I am struck by how writers of 100 years ago, such as Wells and Forster saw this clearly as a likely destiny of society. If Preset is followed by Reset, then Well’s vision of ‘elios’ and ‘morlock’ will be complete.
Somebody in the Daily Mail now pushing the new definition of herd immunity from the WHO.
“Herd immunity will only be reached when 70% of the population have been vaccinated.”
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9094381/Only-eight-cent-Britons-definitely-refuse-vaccinated-against-coronavirus.html
The official narrative is now vaccine, vaccine , vaccine, The Head of the NHS was quoted as saying that the NHS would only be saved when all the vulnerable and elderly have been vaccinated. People you talk to are only prepared to discuss getting the vaccine so that this can all end ………they wish?
Blimey, almost makes me nostalgic for Track’n’Trace.
Track and trace was a conditioning exercise to prepare us for the digital vaccine passport
If they wanted to prevent the NHS being overwhelmed they would vaccinate the staff and solve the staffing crisis (if the vaccine actually works) but the NHS won’t take the vaccine in anything like the numbers because they know most of them don’t need to take the risk of taking an emergency vaccine.
The Hydra Head of the NHS.
It’s when all the old and vulnerable have been eliminated.
Herd immunity is a known biological phenomena and it can be obtained with or without a vaccine. It’s also dynamic which means that it can change over time. Therefore, statements that 70% of the population have to be vaccinated to achieve herd immunity is misleading. Quite a number of the population probably are already immune to covid-19. Some of these people have acquired immunity by contracting and recovering from covid-19. Others are immune via cross immunity to other covid related viruses. I’m certainly not against vaccines being an important component in public health but these kinds of messages are basically misleading. The only reason the World Health Organisation have change the definition is for political reasons.
I am currently reading “the compatibility gene”, where the genes that code for the immune system are discussed. Apparently not everyone has the same protection against pathogens, there are too many for each of us to do this because the immune response would be spread too thinly in each person thus providing a compromised response. Instead, different people have subtly different immune systems, so there are some pathogens that some people are susceptible to more than others, by doing this the immune response is more able to defeat the pathogens, this is effectively the community immunity approach within our natural non vaccine physiology. This varies across populations and across ethnicities depending on the pathogens in each environment.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-55471282
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-55471095
Spain is creating a list of those refusing the vaccine and passing it to other EU countries.
Army being brought in to help with testing of children.
Boris was never brave
And his father hit his mum
Both liked to fuck the ladies
But not their childrens mum
To Eton and to Oxford
Like all our leaders do
A narcissist with 7 kids
And Princess Nut Nut too
Wonderful. Very reminiscent of William McGonagall.
Beautiful Railway Bridge of the Silv’ry Tay!
Alas! I am very sorry to say
His very best poem.
Friend’s husband who is a truck driver said testing of those waiting to cross channel was an absolute nonsense and completely unnecessary.
GP friend said many elderly refusing vaccine and as government does not want to waste it is being offered to anyone else who wants. Still not many takers. So much for the 1 million people a week to be vaccinated.
Is there any way of getting back to your original user name?
When I go on the profile it says you can’t change your user name, but if I try to re-register it says my email address is already registered.
Life can be so tough sometimes.
Change the nickname in profile and then choose it from drop down tab below. I change mine daily to reflect the number of days since 23 March
Ta – done it! Probably the only thing I’ll achieve today.
Why does Boris actually talk stuccoto like he has been mix edited by cassette boy?
Copied from Obama?
Stac•ca•to stə-kä′tō►
Re the University of Michigan’s cancelled words
Sugartits appears to be safe for now
(h/t Alex Belfied).
James Alexander does not cover it. These oppressive strategies were set in motion long ago. For instance, this Rockefeller Foundation paper from 2010.
http://www.nommeraadio.ee/meedia/pdf/RRS/Rockefeller%20Foundation.pdf
This is the Great Reset already described in all its devious detail.
Pharma have been flexing their muscles over information control since 2017:
https://www.bmj.com/content/370/bmj.m3099/rr-5
Why does it look chaotic? Because life is messy, the narrative they have created in which all liberty is finally sucked away is not one which unfolds cleanly: they keep on having to plug the gaps.
According to some, these groups have no actual effect in the real world, even though their plans from 10-20 years ago are unfolding right before our eyes. All of this – lockdowns, cases, variants – is an extension of the idea of ‘kill the filthy plebs’ aka ‘climate change’.
It was just an excuse to up the threat level which is all they do every time enough of public looks as it’s getting fed up.
Typical media covid propaganda
1 Headline, person dies of covid
2 Publish a photograph which suggests the person who died is a young person (in reality he was 64)
2 Late in the article mention the fact that he had e coli, which is far more likely to have killed him than covid
https://www.walesonline.co.uk/sport/rugby/rugby-news/beloved-father-popular-cardiff-rugby-19530875?utm_source=linkCopy&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=sharebar
Still, we need to get those advertising revenues coming in
They really are scraping bottom of the barrel for stories most of the time when you see the examples they give of ‘healthy young people’. They must be sitting today hoping that one of the Man City players becomes really ill.
Local story, 82 year old survived three lots of cancer and stroke but succumbed to nosocomial C-19. Odds not good obviously but the irony of the final outcome is striking.
i was listening around 5pm and i was so confused as the presenter was a bewetting bell-end. i know the regulars are on holiday but i would have hoped that the standard was maintained
I saw one in the DM today about an (obese) woman who supposedly had to give birth two months early because of covid – absolute bs and turns out it was pre-eclampsia. A condition which kills around 1k newborns in the UK every year but who cares about them when the mother has also tested positive for COVID 😱😱😱
Perhaps one of the silver linings of this shit show is that I can pretty much watch concerts from anywhere in the UK and the world. Over the last few weeks; we’ve streamed concerts from (in addition to London) Liverpool, Birmingham, Edinburgh, Munich and Berlin. Two of the recent concerts we watched were from the Munich Philharmonic and Berlin Philharmonic conducted by Semyon Bychkov and Daniel Baremboim respectively. Save for the absence of an audience and the elbow bumps that Baremboim gave to the musicians at the end, there was pretty much no social distancing between the musicians and no one was muzzled as they took their seats. It was such a difference to the UK based orchestras with their craven observance of the 2 metre rule with some orchestras requiring their musicians to be muzzled up or wearing their muzzles on their way to the stage. Not to mention that Bychkov and Baremboim are both in their 70s and looks like they’re not afraid of the virus either. The contrast is staggering and I do wish that our orchestras would grow a backbone and fight back the government’s insane diktats. While we’re happy to watch the streamed concerts, Mr… Read more »
Honest question:
What is the government’s rationale for the vaccine?
I’ve read the prospectus of the Pfizer vaccine and at no point does it claim to eliminate or reduce infection or transmissibility. All it claims to do is reduce symptoms for 95% of people.
If the vaccine doesn’t have an effect on infection or transmissibility, what does the government think will be accomplished?
I generally try to understand the government’s rationale (e.g. cases predict hospitalisations, lockdowns reduce pressure on NHS) even if I think it’s bogus. But I just can’t understand the rationale for a vaccine that does not protect against infection.
Does anyone at least understand their argument?
They know it’s useless, but it’s part of their ‘we saved you’ construct which will be issued in due course
Yes, I’m sure that’s the plan to provide political cover for all the collateral damage and the many collateral deaths to come.
It makes lots of money for a pharmaceutical company that government advisors have lots of money invested in?
Money is nice but staying in power is even better.
Serves 3 purposes: 1-Heroism. Creates an irrelevant solution where government takes credit, to the problem of viral infection and death. The sheeple won’t understand that the vaxx does nothing. 60 yrs of flu-vaxx (and other) failures and the sheeple still believe that all vaxx’s all the time work. Flu vaxx’s may help 10-30% of those jabbed. For the rest they cause injury or at best are neutral.
2-Control. Sets a precedence. The gov’t can force you to test, vaxx, do what it commands in accord with whatever it deems to be safety and the public interest. If the idea is a ‘Great Reset’ this is a mandatory step.
3-Money. Many of those in SAGE and Gov’t are/will be making huge profits from this along with their Pharma friends. Pfizer is famous for bribery. No doubt many of these ‘experts’ and Ministers have full bank accounts. A full audit of money and accounts will need to be done.
This ‘vacine’ changes your DNA it does not prevent you catching Covid, if Covid exists at all.
Agreed no point whatsoever in getting the vaccine.
You can only claim that which you have tested in a clinical trial. The vaccine trials all started my looking at the difference in symptomatic covid cases since these are the smallest trial one could conduct (and still need 30k subjects). The Pfizer/BioNTech vaccine showed a 95% reduction. So that’s what they can claim.
This reduction is most likely due to a reduction in viral load from a preexisting immune response that may in turn reduce spread. That will be the subject of larger epidemiological studies. Absence of evidence is not the same as evidence of absence. But companies can only claim on the evidence. A lot got burnt (fined). The past four “off label” promotion. Claiming reduced transmission would be off label.
Proving reduction in viral load, reduces infectiousness would be awkward for them, as wouldn’t that dispel the asymptomatic spread?
Precisely
Yet another gigantic elephant in the room, ignored by so-called journalists
Not entirely. Symptomatic might be a VL I’d say 10^6 copies/ml, asymptomatic 10x lower and vaccinated 10x lower still. But ultimately, proving reduced transmission reductions is a population level trial.
Its as vague as a flu jab in reality