Latest News
Wales To Go Into Full Lockdown
The First Minister of Wales Mark Drakeford announced yesterday that Wales would be plunged into a full lockdown from this Friday until November 9th. The BBC has more.
People will be told to stay at home, while pubs, restaurants, hotels and non-essential shops will shut.
Primary schools will reopen after the half-term break, but only Years 7 and 8 in secondary schools will return at that time under new “firebreak” rules.
Gatherings indoors and outdoors with people not in your household will also be banned.
First Minister Mark Drakeford said the “time-limited ‘firebreak'” will be “a short, sharp, shock to turn back the clock, slow down the virus and buy us more time”.
Without action the NHS will not be able to look after those falling sick, he told a press conference.
Leisure businesses, community centres, libraries and recycling centres will shut. Places of worship will be closed for normal services, except for funerals and weddings.
The announcement follows rising case numbers in Wales and increasing hospital admissions, and replaces the 17 local lockdowns that had been in place.
Figures now stand at 130 coronavirus cases per 100,000 over seven days – there were 4,127 cases recorded between October 9th and 15th.
Needless to say, daily deaths in Wales are in low single digits and cases are falling.
Daily deaths from Covid peaked at 11 on October 7th and haven’t climbed above single digits since. The cumulative death toll in Wales, as of yesterday, was 1,712, which is about 3.9% of the total in England.
There is absolutely no need for a ‘circuit breaker’. Let’s call this by its proper name, a hospitality industry breaker.
One of the many irritating things about this is that Mark Drakeford can indulge in this pointless virtue-signalling without worrying about the economic impact because the Chancellor has agreed to bung Wales an extra £350 million this year. We’re now facing an untenable situation where Wales, Scotland and Northern Ireland can all afford to introduce these absurd, economically destructive measures because the English are covering their losses. It is this, more than anything else, that will tear the union apart.
Stop Press: Matthew Lynn has the right idea. He’s written a comment piece for the Telegraph‘s Business section saying that Scotland and Wales should pay for their own lockdowns.
26,000 Excess Deaths in Private Homes, But Not From Covid
According to data released by the ONS yesterday, around 26,000 excess deaths were recorded in private homes in England and Wales between March 14th and September 11th, but only 3% were due to COVID-19. The BBC has more.
More men than normal are dying at home from heart disease in England and Wales, and more women are dying from dementia and Alzheimer’s, figures show.
More than 26,000 extra deaths occurred in private homes this year, an analysis by the Office for National Statistics found.
In contrast, deaths in hospitals from these causes have been lower than usual.
The Covid epidemic may have led to fewer people being treated in hospital…
Between March and September 2020, there were 24,387 more deaths in England than expected in private homes, and 1,644 in Wales. The large majority did not involve COVID-19.
Of these, an extra 1,705 men died from heart disease in their own homes in England compared with the average number over the previous five years.
This is 25% more than normal. In Wales there was a similar rise in male deaths from heart disease, of 22.7%.
Over the same period, deaths in hospitals from heart disease went down by about a quarter in England and Wales.
During the pandemic, about 1,400 more women than usual died at home from dementia and Alzheimer’s disease.
While deaths from these conditions also increased in care homes, hospital deaths from dementia decreased by 40% in England and 25% in Wales.
Prof David Spiegelhalter, Chairman of the Winton Centre for Risk and Evidence Communication at the University of Cambridge, says that this equates to an extra 100 people dying at home every day between March and September.
“Usually around 300 people die each day in their homes in England and Wales,” he commented.
“The latest ONS analysis confirms that even after the peak of the epidemic this has stayed at around 400 a day and shows no sign of declining. That’s one third extra, very few of which are from Covid.”
Worth reading in full.
Stop Press: The Mail has also done a story on this.
Manchester’s Hospitals Not Overwhelmed – Andy Burnham
Andy Burnham, the Mayor of Greater Manchester, and Sir Richard Leese, the Leader of Manchester City Council, issued a joint statement last night in which they expressed their frustration that the Government is continuing to put out fear-mongering stories about hospitals in Greater Manchester being on the verge of collapse. This was in response to Boris’s Downing Street spokesperson claiming Greater Manchester’s hospitals were on track to be overwhelmed by October 28th if the area isn’t immediately placed under a Tier 3 lockdown. Burnham and Leese dispute this:
We are disappointed that the Government has today sought to raise public concern about the NHS in Greater Manchester with selective statistics.
Greater Manchester’s ICU occupancy rate is not abnormal for this time of year and is comparable to the occupancy rate in October 2019. Also, providing information about individual hospitals does not reflect that our hospitals work as a system to manage demand.
We are not complacent about the position in our hospitals and are monitoring the situation closely. But in the current situation, we believe it is essential that our residents are given clear, accurate information about the state of the NHS in Greater Manchester and that public fears are not raised unnecessarily.
They’re not wrong. The chart above, which Prof Carl Heneghan and colleagues flagged up in the Telegraph on Saturday, shows that emergency episodes for respiratory conditions, including Covid, are well below the five-year average in Manchester University hospitals.
Interestingly, Sir Richard Leese has suggested that a policy of “focused protection”, shielding the elderly and the vulnerable rather than forcing everyone to self-isolate in their homes, would be far more sensible than a Tier 3 lockdown, echoing the strategy laid out in the Great Barrington Declaration – and his proposal has been endorsed by several local Conservative MPs. The Telegraph has more:
He claimed this would be less than a fifth of the cost of the business closures that would happen in Tier 3, enabling businesses to stay open and the majority of people to avoid tougher restrictions.
The plan was backed by senior Conservatives in the area including Sir Graham Brady, the Chairman of the 1922 Committee of backbench Tories, who said there was no scientific basis for the tier system.
Sir Graham, the MP for Altrincham and Sale West, said the proposal should not be “dismissed out of hand”, adding: “The fundamental point about Tier 3 is the proposals don’t appear to have any evidential basis. There is no reason to think that closing some pubs and bars would have a significant impact on the spread on the virus.”
He was joined by James Daly, the Tory MP for Bury North, who said he was “extremely sympathetic” to Sir Richard’s proposal, and Chris Green, the Tory MP for Bolton West, who said: “I think this is a good direction of travel. Let’s keep our hospitality running up to Christmas and support people at home if they are deemed vulnerable.”
William Wragg, the Tory MP for Hazel Grove, said: “I think Richard Leese’s proposal has merit and should be properly considered.”
Sir Richard said: “Most people who test positive for the virus are not getting particularly ill. They are not the problem”, pointing out that those most at risk of hospitalisation were older people and those with existing underlying conditions, diabetes, obesity, high blood pressure or respiratory illnesses.
“If this is the evidence, wouldn’t it be much better to have an effective shielding programme for those most at risk, rather than have a blanket business closure policy of dubious efficacy?” he said.
Worth reading in full.
Stop Press: Ross Clark has written a piece for the Spectator headlined: “Does Manchester really need tougher restrictions?” I’ll let you guess the answer.
High Noon: Robert Jenrick, the Communities and Local Government Secretary, has given Burnham until Noon today to reach a deal – or else. But can Boris really force the people of Greater Manchester to observe Tier 3 restrictions in the teeth of opposition from the Mayor and the leader of the council?
Why Does Hancock Want to Lock Up the North When Cases Are Falling?
Matt Hancock said in the House of Commons yesterday that talks had begun with local leaders in South and West Yorkshire, Nottinghamshire, the North East and Teesside about joining Liverpool and Lancashire in the tightest level of lockdown. But why, when infection rates across the North are falling? The Mail has more.
Official data shows Nottingham, Newcastle, Sheffield and Manchester are among the cities where cases have started to fall after a surge at the end of September, when thousands of students and staff poured back into universities.
Infection rates in all four cities have been steadily decreasing for several days, suggesting they are on a consistent downward trend rather than a temporary dip. Yet Mr Hancock warned tonight that large parts of the North of England are headed towards a ‘Tier 3’ lockdown.
The Mail then looks in more detail at the infection rate in a number of Northern cities.
In Nottingham the rolling weekly rate of cases peaked at 1,001.2 per 100,000 people for the seven days to October 8th – the highest in England – but since then the number has been falling, currently standing at 787.6.
Manchester’s current rate is 432.5, after peaking at 583.5 in the seven days to October 3rd, while in Sheffield it’s 396.7, down from a high of 500.3 in the week ending October 7th. The rate in Newcastle stands at 371.5, down from 553.8 in the same period.
Zero Transmission in Pubs, Gyms and Restaurants, According to NHS App
Lockdown Sceptic‘s very own NHS Test and Trace correspondent has been combing through the NHSX data to see how many outbreaks have occurred in the businesses that are being forced to close in Tier 3 areas. Answer: almost none.
We are all getting used to seeing QR code check-in posters in shops, gyms, offices and restaurants. Ever wondered how many of those venues have been deemed to have a COVID-19 outbreak? Perhaps that data is driving the decision to shut pubs and gyms?
We can see for ourselves because NHSX publishes the data via its “risky venues API”. It’s easy to see, just click here: If you see something like “{“venues”:[]}” that’s what we techies call an empty list and it means there are no venues listed. Zero.
Of course, the list is constantly being updated and perhaps today is just a good day when nowhere is risky. If only someone were clicking on that link regularly and keeping a track of the results, like the graph at the bottom of this page. Then we could see a grand total of, er, four venues that have been flagged up since the app was released. Yes, four. They were in September. There have been none in October.
Remind me why we’re shutting pubs, gyms and restaurants?
As NHSX say on its website, “The purpose of maintaining records and displaying an official NHS QR poster […] will help to avoid the reintroduction of lockdown measures and support the country to return to, and maintain, a more normal way of life.” In that case, isn’t NHSX’s own data telling us we can all get back to normal?
A Guardian Reader Writes…
I got an email today from a disillusioned Guardian reader. There must be a fair few of those!
As a reader of the Guardian since my early twenties 40 years ago I was willing to believe in the integrity of its journalism. My faith has waned over the years as the paper’s investigative journalism has become more obviously and frequently shallow, and in the last weeks it has become a Government mouthpiece. But I didn’t expect such flagrant falsehoods as the ones I have read today in its coverage of Scott Atlas’s Twitter ban.
In particular: “In a stream of posts, Atlas falsely claimed that several US states and other countries had taken up widespread use of masks without evidence of any positive effect. He also incorrectly said that there were ‘many harms’ to the practice.” To the contrary, there is considerable research to support Atlas, available to anyone with internet access.
The article continued: “Atlas’s views on how to deal with the virus have raised alarm in scientific circles. He has repeatedly cast doubt on masks and social distancing, and suggested people could gain natural self-defenses against the disease even without a vaccine through ‘herd immunity’.” Which “scientific circles”? All of them? And what exactly is “alarming”?
It goes on: “Friday saw the daily number of confirmed cases exceed 70,000 for the first time since July, with almost 900 deaths. In a leaked report, the White House put 26 states in the ‘red zone’ – indicating a dangerous level of new infections – including almost all states in the midwest.” In fact, the rates are falling, even according to the authority the article itself cites. That site says that there there were 393 deaths on Sunday, which supports Trump’s assertion rather more than the Guardian‘s.
Pro-Masking Fanatic Gary Lineker Caught Shopping Without a Mask
Gary Lineker has always made his feelings about wearing masks very clear. Back in April, he tweeted: “How can there be any debate about whether we should be wearing a mask? Even if it’s only a one per cent chance of making you safer. Even if it is only a one per cent chance of stopping you giving it to someone else.”
On July 2nd he wrote: “Can’t understand why anyone would object to wearing a mask. Painless gesture to ensure you don’t spread the virus to others, and great for hiding bad breath.”
And on July 14th, he tweeted: “Why would anyone object to wearing a mask in a shop? Not exactly a hardship. What a country of snowflakes we’ve become.”
He then added: “Wearing masks, of all things, is the most obvious thing we can do to help decrease the spread of the virus, and the smallest of all the sacrifices. No brainer.”
But in spite of this constant finger-wagging, Gary was spotted wandering around Marks and Spencer in Barnes on Sunday night without a mask.
The Express has the story.
Hypocrisy, thy name is Lineker.
Stop Press: There may be an even bigger hypocrite than Lineker in our midst. Matt Hancock was spotted in a chauffeur-driven ministerial car without a mask, forcing Number 10 to issue reminders to ministers about the need to wear masks, even in ministerial cars.
Might Most Positive Test be Wrong?
We’ve devoted a lot of attention to the false positive rate of the PCR test on this site – and even though we haven’t run anything new on it recently don’t assume we think the problem has gone away. That’s why we’re delighted to publish a piece by a maths teacher called David Mackie today highlighting just how much impact a seemingly low false positive rate can have on overall results. Here are the opening four paragraphs:
A lot of people are bad with numbers, and especially so in the area of probability. Earlier this year (with accidental prescience), in the school where I work, as part of our off-curriculum ‘mind-broadening’ provision for sixth-formers, a few of my colleagues and I presented students with a puzzle involving imperfect methods of testing for rare conditions. Such puzzles can yield startling results – ones which even bright students are often reluctant to accept.
For example, if the incidence of a disease in the population is 0.1% and the test has a false positive rate of 5%, the probability that a randomly-selected individual testing positive actually has the disease is approximately one in fifty: about 2%, or a probability of 0.02.
Though this is easy to demonstrate, it is remarkable how resistant many perfectly intelligent people are to the conclusion, even when shown the proof. “But the test is 95% reliable”, they protest. “How can it be that a person with a positive test has anything less than a 95% chance of having the disease?”
That kind of response merits attention. It does so because it is an example of an important failure to understand relevant data (and/or the terminology used to describe those data); and it is a failure that renders people blind (or, worse, resistant) to legitimate concerns about the significance of the published results of recent mass testing – concerns that are still not receiving the wider public attention that they deserve.
This is a very clear explanation of the problem. Worth reading in full.
Round-Up
- “COVID-19 Kills – But So Does Lockdown” – Excellent piece by Prof Karol Sikora in the Spectator on the terrible public health cost of forcing the entire population to stay at home
- “Covid’s ‘collateral damage’: how delayed operations have created a health timebomb” – Disturbing piece in the Telegraph about the impact of delaying elective surgeries
- “Broadcast media and the second wave of fear” – Michael Psaras in Bournbrook magazine about the failure of the broadcast media to scrutinise the Government’s hysterical “second wave” propaganda
- “Vaccine ‘unlikely to eradicate Covid’, Sir Patrick Vallance tells MPs” – The Chief Scientific Officer says the disease is likely to become endemic in Britain and will be more like annual flu. Does this mean he’s come back around to herd immunity?
- “White House Chief of Staff Warns of a Potential Lawsuit Against Tech Giants” – Story in the Epoch Times claiming Mark Meadows is mulling a lawsuit against Twitter and Facebook for censoring the New York Post story about Joe Biden’s son
- “State moves to Level 5 for six weeks with hopes of ‘meaningful’ Christmas celebrations” – The Irish Government has agreed to a six week Level 5 lockdown for the whole of Ireland. That means the Taoiseach held out against the Irish equivalent of SAGE for 10 days. Can Boris do any better?
- “Crucial Viral Update Oct 15th: Why are the Media Undermining Science and Data???” – Ivor Cummins puts Ireland’s epidemic in perspective
- “Boris Johnson will not regain his squandered trust” – Rachel Sylvester in the Times thinks Boris is doomed
- “Manchester University student commits suicide due to lockdown anxiety” – Terribly sad story in Metro
- “York self-isolating students told ‘wait behind in fire‘” – This is a shocker. Apparently, the York University authorities think it would be better if students burnt to death than risk having them transmit Covid
- “Our Covid strategy is based on faulty assumptions” – David Paton in UnHerd questions the assumptions behind the Government’s interventions
- “Ministers should reject a second lockdown and prepare for Plan B” – Steve Baker in Conservative Home calls for a more balanced approach to managing the risk of the virus
- “I urge you to visit a restaurant you love while you can” – Impassioned plea from food writer Kathryn Flett, urging people to do what they can to keep their favourite restaurants afloat
- “Stores close at record rate as shoppers change their habits” – Depressing story in the Times about the decimation of the High Street
Theme Tunes Suggested by Readers
Two today: “Fool If You Think It’s Over” by Elkie Brooks and “Never Ending Story” by Limahl.
Love in the Time of Covid
We have created some Lockdown Sceptics Forums, including a dating forum called “Love in a Covid Climate” that has attracted a bit of attention. We have a team of moderators in place to remove spam and deal with the trolls, but sometimes it takes a little while so please bear with us. You have to register to use the Forums, but that should just be a one-time thing. Any problems, email the Lockdown Sceptics webmaster Ian Rons here.
Sharing stories: Some of you have asked how to link to particular stories on Lockdown Sceptics. The answer used to be to first click on “Latest News”, then click on the links that came up beside the headline of each story. But we’ve changed that so the link now comes up beside the headline whether you’ve clicked on “Latest News” or you’re just on the Lockdown Sceptics home page. Please do share the stories with your friends and on social media.
Stop Press: A couple in Milan have been fined £360 for kissing in the street without wearing masks. They should have arranged to meet discreetly via Love in a Covid Climate.
Woke Gobbledegook
We’ve decided to create a permanent slot down here for woke gobbledegook. Today, I’m highlighting the report of Alison Lowe, an historian commissioned by Leeds City Council to review the status of statues in the city in the wake of the Black Lives Matter protests. She was clearly expecting to find a lot of public unhappiness with the statues, even though none of them were of individuals who were central to the slave trade. But in fact over 90% of the people surveyed said they didn’t have a problem with them and didn’t want them to be taken down. The Yorkshire Evening Post has more.
Ms Lowe said: “I was surprised there were so few people wanted any change. I thought it would be a 30-70 split or 40-60 and I worried about that at the beginning because if there was no clear feeling it would be hard. As a panel we wanted to do the right thing by the majority of people and only 10% wanted some active change. I know thousands did not (respond) but we had to take it that they were happy with the status quo.
“There was a perception that lots of black people would write in and say ‘get rid of statue X or Y’. That was as a result of the Edward Colston toppling in Bristol which was as a result of George Floyd and Black Lives Matter. There was a belief, no facts, that lots of black people were angry about statues but I had lots of conversations with Black Lives Matters groups and actually people were not really that interested.”
So there you have it. Almost no one in Leeds wants the Council to take down any statues of the City’s colonial era panjandrums, including the black residents.
Worth reading in full.
“Mask Exempt” Lanyards
We’ve created a one-stop shop down here for people who want to buy (or make) a “Mask Exempt” lanyard/card. You can print out and laminate a fairly standard one for free here and it has the advantage of not explicitly claiming you have a disability. But if you have no qualms about that (or you are disabled), you can buy a lanyard from Amazon saying you do have a disability/medical exemption here (takes a while to arrive). The Government has instructions on how to download an official “Mask Exempt” notice to put on your phone here. You can get a “Hidden Disability” tag from ebay here and an “exempt” card with lanyard for just £1.99 from Etsy here. And, finally, if you feel obliged to wear a mask but want to signal your disapproval of having to do so, you can get a “sexy world” mask with the Swedish flag on it here.
Don’t forget to sign the petition on the UK Government’s petitions website calling for an end to mandatory face masks in shops here.
A reader has started a website that contains some useful guidance about how you can claim legal exemption.
And here’s an excellent piece about the ineffectiveness of masks by a Roger W. Koops, who has a doctorate in organic chemistry.
The Great Barrington Declaration
The Great Barrington Declaration, a petition started by Professor Martin Kulldorff, Professor Sunetra Gupta and Professor Jay Bhattacharya calling for a strategy of “Focused Protection” (protect the elderly and the vulnerable and let everyone else get on with life), was launched last week and the lockdown zealots have been doing their best to discredit it. If you Google it, one of the top hits you get is a smear piece from the obscure Leftist conspiracy website Byline Times, and one from the Guardian headlined: “Herd immunity letter signed by fake experts including ‘Dr Johnny Bananas’.” (Freddie Sayers at UnHerd warned us about this hit job the day before it appeared.) On the bright side, Google UK has stopped shadow banning it, so the actual Declaration now shows up in the search results – and my Spectator piece about the attempt to suppress it is one of the top hits – although discussion of it has been censored by Reddit. The reason the zealots hate it, of course, is that it gives the lie to their claim that “the science” only supports their strategy. These three scientists are every bit as eminent – more eminent – than the pro-lockdown fanatics so expect no let up in the attacks. (Wikipedia has also done a smear job.)
You can find it here. Please sign it. Now over 550,000 signatures, compared to the John Snow Memorandum’s 4,400. Embarrassing.
Judicial Reviews Against the Government
There are now so many JRs being brought against the Government and its ministers, we thought we’d include them all in one place down here.
First, there’s the Simon Dolan case. You can see all the latest updates and contribute to that cause here.
Then there’s the Robin Tilbrook case. You can read about that and contribute here.
Then there’s John’s Campaign which is focused specifically on care homes. Find out more about that here.
There’s the GoodLawProject’s Judicial Review of the Government’s award of lucrative PPE contracts to various private companies. You can find out more about that here and contribute to the crowdfunder here.
The Night Time Industries Association has instructed lawyers to JR any further restrictions on restaurants, pubs and bars.
And last but not least there’s the Free Speech Union‘s challenge to Ofcom over its ‘coronavirus guidance’. You can read about that and make a donation here.
Samaritans
If you are struggling to cope, please call Samaritans for free on 116 123 (UK and ROI), email jo@samaritans.org or visit the Samaritans website to find details of your nearest branch. Samaritans is available round the clock, every single day of the year, providing a safe place for anyone struggling to cope, whoever they are, however they feel, whatever life has done to them.
Shameless Begging Bit
Thanks as always to those of you who made a donation in the past 24 hours to pay for the upkeep of this site. Doing these daily updates is hard work (although we have help from lots of people, mainly in the form of readers sending us stories and links). If you feel like donating, please click here. And if you want to flag up any stories or links we should include in future updates, email us here. (Don’t assume we’ll pick them up in the comments.)
Special thanks to graphic designer and Lockdown Sceptics reader Claire Whitten for designing our new logo. We think it’s ace. Find her work here.
And Finally…
One of our readers has noticed the uncanny resemblance between Alf Tupper, the Tough of the Track, and Labour leader Keir Starmer.
To join in with the discussion please make a donation to The Daily Sceptic.
Profanity and abuse will be removed and may lead to a permanent ban.
Morning
Technically, yes… another day in f***** paradise !
At least it’s quiet here.
I had a dream last night, in which I was in a bus careering far too fast along a bendy mountain road, and when I looked, nobody was driving it. I am not making this up
An insane clown with a mop of stringy blonde hair and an evil facy nappy is driving my bus.
That wasn’t a dream.
Every day of lockdown piles on the evil
Pro Lockdown? WAKE UP! Selfish & Ignorant…
5 reasons not to go into lockdown. 2 heartbreaking stories & 3 reality checks…
Alex Belfield – THE VOICE OF REASON
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ExbzvAlzyzY
Hello Toby & LDS
Watch This 💔 8 Months Of Madness 🤦♂️ What On 🌍 Are We Doing? 🎥
Alex Belfield – THE VOICE OF REASON
7 months alone. Is this a price worth paying?…
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UXakzX8Lo08
****************************
If the Test works — Why the False positives?
If the Masks work – Why the Six Feet?
If the Six Feet work – Why the Masks?
If all Three work – Why the Lockdown?
If all Four work – Why the vaccine?
If the Vaccine is Safe – Why the No Liability Clause?
If SARS-CoV-2 exists – Why has it not been isolated?
To be ignore by the BBC, th e Government ‘No sign of a second wave’ as ONS data shows normal level of deaths for the time of year People who would normally be expected to die of flu or pneumonia may instead be dying from Covid-19 There is no sign of a second wave, experts have said, as new Office for National Statistics (ONS) figures show deaths are just 1.5 per cent above the five-year average, and tracking on a normal trajectory for this time of year. Although coronavirus deaths rose to 438 for the week ending October 9 – an increase of 36 per cent from the previous week when it was 321 – overall deaths rose just 143 above the five-year average. There were also 19 fewer overall deaths than the same week last year. Experts at Oxford University say it would have to get to 1,200 more deaths above the norm before it would usually be considered ‘excess’ above the expected variation in the data. Researchers also found there would usually be around 1,600 weekly deaths from flu and pneumonia for the same week. Deaths from coronavirus, flu and pneumonia are currently running at 1,621, suggesting there… Read more »
What Dr Mike Yeadon has been saying all along.
Making the Scottish, Northern Irish and Welsh PEOPLE pay for lockdowns is unfair, make their devolved governments pay for it from their own salaries and savings. Once Drakeford and Sturgeon haven’t a penny left in the bank, no more enforcement.
I thought the Bank of England was paying for Welsh and Scottish lockdown?
We’re all paying, and in more ways than one.
With Gaulieters Drakeford and Sturgeon divvying out the bungs.
The Bank of England is happy to pay for all UK lockdowns. The UK government is looking to lock us all down again and is doing this by the piecemeal approach. Johnson and Hancock want us so mind-fucked that we will be clamouring for Bill Gates’s liability free genocidal vaccines. The government has either taken a massive payout from the globalists or it actually believes its own bullshit, either way it has to go and fast.
Do not underestimate how much the people are driving the lockdown. Politicians know people much better than we do, and the people of Wales, Ireland and Scotland are demanding more lockdown. Mostly for other people, admittedly, but they are still driving it. Personally I would transfer the money directly from the bank accounts of office staff working comfortably from home into those of people losing their jobs. None of this bond issuance crap, it might concentrate a few minds.
“Personally I would transfer the money directly from the bank accounts of office staff working comfortably from home into those of people losing their jobs”
Some of us WFH are opposed to lockdown!
Mr Bart being one of them – he’s getting fed up with the whole thing and one thing that’s stopping him going back to work are the insane measures in his workplace.
Ditto
I’ve been home based since 2018. But I also used to travel for work about once a fortnight and would often meet friends in town for a drink when my afternoon diary was quiet. The unending monotony of this has been seriously getting me down for months.
At the beginning of this Plandemic my team have been told that they all need to work from the office as we are providing a vital service to my company that cannot be done from home ( IT support). I’m their manager and was told that on the other hand I do not need to risk my health and can easily work from home and have video calls with them . It took me about 1 minute to decide against that and I stated in managers meeting that I will be working side by side in the office with my team. I will never forget the faces of my fellow managers. One of them even said, but what if you get ill and die?! I did it not because I’m a martyr but because I could have not looked these guys in the eyes when I came back (a year down the line). It was the best decision I made in the last 8 months ( besides finding this website and not wearing a mask) Getting up, dressing up an a suit and going to the actual office has kept me sane trough this situation. We got through the height… Read more »
Great to hear Thomas_E, you should have called Jeremy Vine yesterday, see below.
Well said. I feel the same. Despite the insane measures, I told my managers that returning to site was the best thing so far that has happened to me. I have found lockdown hard not helped that I live in a not so good area with not many places to go to and where drug use and domestics have grown since this madness started.
A friend of mine has also made the same thing clear to her manager – she’s returning to site as WFH has wreaked havoc on her psychologically.
I’m in a similar line of work, would go back to the office but the company has an mandatory masks in the office policy (no exemptions – WFH if you don’t like it) plus all the daft distancing bollocks too. So I’m still WFH.
I’d been back in the office for a while, then they decided to put massive sheets of cardboard between the desks. It feels like working inside a cardboard box. That plus the masks made me think sod it, I’m going back to WFH.
Well done! Glad you can keep yourself and your team sane.
They discussed that on Jeremy Vines show yesterday, about how dispiriting working from home can be, quite a few called in to confirm.
I have argued previously that there is an element of social engineering in lockdowns and one part of this is to isolate people from each other and prevent interaction. There are restrictions on who we can meet, we are told to keep six fee away from other people, masks isolate people from each other, venues where people socialise such as nightclubs, sporting events, pubs, gyms, theatres and churches are forced to close or operate under restrictions and in businesses there are screens which separate staff and customers. Work is one area where people interact with each other. Working from home prevents people interacting with work colleagues which is why it has been so heavily promoted. My concern is that if my job could be done from home, my boss can decide to outsource my job to a low wage country. We have already seen IT and call centre jobs move to India. This point was made in an anti lockdown speech on youtube. There was a discussion on the youtube channel computing forever where it was stated one aim of lockdown is to ensure people have no life from home. Working from home rather than travelling to work is one… Read more »
That’s a track and trace app I could get behind – one that registers if you are for or against lockdown – if you are for it, you contribute 100 quid a month to make up for people’s lost salaries – if you don’t pay up, you are immediately counted as against lockdown.
That might change the picture a bit.
Then you could lead the drive to speed up the drive for normalcy.
Perhaps Sunak should now start taxing pensions and savings. That should wipe off the smirk from some upper middle class people who are still pushing for harder lockdowns.
Again, what about those who have some savings but are against lockdown? I would love to have been able to work but that’s not possible at the moment. I do have modest savings. Hands off, I worked hard for those and will work hard again if allowed to! I’m not upper middle class but I’m not sure how you would distinguish my money from theirs except that they are probably better equipped to hide it
I have my savings too but I am fed up with people who preach about how we should lockdown and protect the NHS but have not been hit by the adverse effects of what they’ve been advocating.
The state at their behest has imposed a Carthaginian destruction of the economy and society. Perhaps it should go the other side so they’re taught a lesson.
I’m very low income but have savings. I’m also anti lockdown. So you’re saying that people like me should be taxed over something we oppose? I think not, especially since if my savings are taken I’ll be out on the street like so many others.
Stewart (above) has a good idea about an app on which you can register being for or against lockdowns and pay for them out of your own money! That’d sort the sheep from the goats!
One thing is certain, taxes are going to go through the roof and also watch out for “bail-ins” i.e. confiscations of your personal savings. Things are set to get very much worse and there is absolutely no light on the horizon.
Nah full asset levy. Every persons total wealth assessed and bam, 10pc due. Including your house. Don’t worry, payable over 10 years. That would change the lockdown zealot’s tunes.
I’d imagine the lockdownistas would quickly do a U turn when Sunak announces that.
Glad I have dual citizenship. I’m already concerned about having too large a proportion of my assets here.
Perhaps Sunak should now start taxing pensions and savings And you can bog off! Not everyone in receipt of a pension (private, in my case) or with savings, is demanding more insanity. I’m 64, and have lived a pretty parsimonious existence, which is how I managed to acquire some fairly decent savings, don’t owe anybody anything, and live (for now) on that small pension. I bought a motorhome shortly before the lockdown was announced (yes, have a good laugh), with the intention of seeing a bit more of “Great” Britain while I still could. Now that plan has been pretty well f***ed, with half the country shut down – largely, the parts I would have been visiting – and enforced muzzling in museums and railways. Our industrial & rail heritage were the two main things I was hoping to see more of, but those places which haven’t folded completely are mostly requiring pre-booking, and contact details, so that Twat Handcock can try and shut me at home on a false pretext. Yes, I know I can carry an exemption card or badge, but I don’t find doing so in any way pleasant, and to have other folk “jumping” or eying… Read more »
With you one hundred per cent.
As far as wearing muzzles is concerned – why not make a mockery of it by wearing something ridiculous… a posing pouch, a pair of frilly knickers, or, as I do, a see-through silk scarf under my nose.
Do NOT wear one of these Chinese paper nappies under any circumstances.
And here’s hoping you ‘re able to enjoy that travelling very soon. Good luck!
Thanks!
I did consider wearing my welding helmet – it’s one with auto dimming, so is more or less clear under normal lighting..
But people are fickle. The Committee of public Safety played to the crowd and ended up losing their heads.
I’m “office staff working comfortably from home” I’m opposed to lockdown, I hate the rules not allowing me into the office, I don’t have any contact with anyone and I took an 80% pay cut for the pleasure, have some class.
Who elected their devolved governments?
Politicians are followers not leaders. They do what the people dictate.
They appear to be dictating what the people do.
You seem to be under the impression that Britain is a democracy. Evidence suggests…maybe not so much.
The “democracy” we live in is an illusion.
Bonzo Dog Band – No Matter Who You Vote For The Government Always Gets In
Noises on the radio, megaphones on cars
Sermons from the street of shame, know-it-alls in bars
Posters in suburbia, experts on TV
Don’t let them disturb-i-ya
They’re just the powers that be
Hey-Ho!
Don’t worry! Nobody can win! (Hey-Ho! Hey-Ho!)
No matter who you vote for, the government always gets in
Hey-Ho!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f-pT-w7qFl4
I think the illusion is believing democracy always produces good outcomes.
People are deluded in thinking democracy cannot produce tyranny. But it does.
Hard as it is for us on here to accept, there is popular support for this madness.
Part of the reasoning behind New World Order/Great Reset is that democracy is an inefficient way of reaching the ‘best’ outcomes.
Without their media manufacturing consent, they couldn’t do a damned thing. If the MSM took an anti-lockdown line, the sheep would be anti-lockdown too.
Drakeford was not elected.
I was about to make exactly the same point. Drakeford can start by selling his precious shed. Also, isn’t it the time of year when he has to hibernate?
Under which bridge? The pencil necked slump shouldered bed wetting pissant. I’ve lost all respect and mock those that seek to hold power over us.
It’s time to call for tumbrels on College Green
Can Guardian readers understand what their own charts are telling them ?
Also in Mondays edition of hot breaking news
‘Anti-lockdown advisor appears on show that has featured holocaust deniers’.
That’s last weeks ‘story’ about Dr. Martin Kuldorff appearing on Richie Allen’s radio show. Oh well, they say Monday is a slow day for news.
Meanwhile round these parts Covid new cases exponentially doubled from 414 week ending October 8 to a terrifying 223 w/e 15th Oct.
Nobody died.
I’m sorry for your loss. Oh, wait… what? 😉
But 414 is almost double 223 – I can do maf! /sarc
For the benefit of the audience, I am an accountant and can do maths 😉
Can I generally get pensions advice from an accountant?
Well, it hasn’t in over 6 months.
Still waiting.
It is a ‘medieval thought form’ manifesting ..
I’m put in mind of the witch dunking in Monty Python’s Holy Grail.
This time people all acros Britain need to be properly prepared, Toby this is an early comment so maybe you’ll see it before other comments surround it, start telling people how to organise locally so they cannot be locked down again. Start showing people how to keep businesses open, by whatever means necessary. The people of Britain cannot afford to aid the suppression obsession of lunatics like Hancock, this time we need to take control for ourselves, herd immunity or bust.
What businesses apart from taxis pubs and restaurants selling alcohol are licenced by local authorities?
All of them are subject to the whims of 101 different flavours of prodnose inspectors. In my country they come around the offices every year to do ergonomic crap. One year we have to buy everyone monitor stands, the next we have to take them away. Some people like them so we hide them when the inspector calls.
Wales is to go into lockdown? That’s bad news. Very, very bad news. Because what’s going to happen is cases are going to go down because they’re already going down. And when that happens, it will be used as incontrovertible proof that lockdowns are the best and only means to stop the virus and we all go into lockdown.
I think that is the root of the problems. Governments can see the cases are naturally declining and are desperate to take any action that will enable them to say that they fixed the problem…hence the desperation to force lockdowns on the North – and then get the credit later…
Correct, this is their only strategy. This is the real game of whack-a-mole.
I think you have hit the nail on the head with that…
That’s my fear too. Utterly chilling to think that a UK Government might lock up millions of its citizens for the opportunity to spin some PR. That really would be the stuff of Maduro and co.
It’s what they have been doing since they put Leicester into lockdown lite.
Yes this makes sense. Unfortunately, it’s a win-win situation for the Govt. In that we all know the numbers are bollocks they can either claim that the ‘circuit-breaker’ worked or, if they choose, they can massively up the testing, fiddle the figures on who-died-of-what even more and then claim they need to extend the lockdown because ‘cases’ are rising again.
Either way, it has never been about a virus. These lockdowns are solely to trash the economy, see off more people with lockdown deaths and completely demoralization the rest of us.
What beats me is that so few people can read a bloody graph, therefore continue to believe this shit. MW
Yes, we’ll all agree that one. With infection rates falling, it’s the ideal time to establish lockdowns and then say they work. Extra flexibility over time scales can be gained by manipulating testing and other figures. Without them, the governments of the UK will risk being exposed as the fraudulent liars that they are. And if infections rise, regardless, they can just sy they didn’t lock down soon enough or hard enough.
This image is going around:
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EkqdkzpXEAAMkf6?format=jpg&name=900×900
Think it is quite a good description of the situation. Even if hospitals were going to be overwhelmed by covid (they never have been, they can’t be, covid is just too mild for that) it still couldn’t justify the lockdowns and business closures.
Reminds me that people used to say approvingly: “It’s better to live one day as a lion, than a thousand years as a lamb.”
When the crunch came, it turned out most people preferred the idea of living 83 years as sheep than 81 years as free men and women.
this image
Too many people unfortunately prefer the life of security behind bars.
In the end they will lose that as well of course.
I posted this in yesterday’s forum in a reply to @Basics; he was looking for some discharge info. I think it’s worth posting here again for more to see. The numbers and visuals about appointments and patient numbers (2nd link below) will stun you, possibly make you angry.
OK I admit it I have looked at both your links and am not sure what I am supposed to make of them? Can you provide any interpretation? I tend to use the NHS dashboard https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/healthcare This is a summary of NHS information, even then it does not give discharges. I take the simple approach of looking at the dashboard data for a given time period. So a couple of days ago I came up with; Looking at NHS England covid stats for the last 7 days for which records are available; Total admissions 4613 Number of cases in hospital increased from 3225 to 4814 increase of 1589 Total deaths for last 7 days 479 (I know analysis of deaths should be around 3 weeks after admissions but there is only so much number crunching I can do!) That leaves a discrepancy in the figures of 2545 in the absence of any other explanation this figure must be discharges i.e. 364 covid discharges per day. I understand that admissions data can be suspected as one person can count as more than one admission if they move to a different area of the hospital. The Government are keen to focus on… Read more »
Mental picture of hospital porters frantically pushing people in wheelchairs from one area to another, while a stooge clicks one of those little counters.
‘399, 400, 401… that’s enough for today.’
The hospitalization figures are easy to pump up just by sending people in who don’t need to be there but that lie fails when they don’t die.
Hi Steve, I, too, haven’t found it easy to find overall discharge numbers for the NHS either.
However, the October 2020 COVID Publication found on this page https://www.england.nhs.uk/statistics/statistical-work-areas/covid-19-hospital-activity/ gives discharge numbers for Covid-19 patients up to the end of September, if that helps you.
The 2nd link I posted above allows the reader to see the impact of the NHS concentrating on Covid-19, e.g. massive drops in consultant appointments, ordinary hospital admissions, day case appointments, emergency admissions, etc.
I find the drops in these figures quite scary; the future effect of all those people who would have been seen, or treated, but weren’t, will be appaling.
Umm… because they are falling. What would be the point to issue a lockdown when the numbers are going up? They would still be going up and you’d look like an idiot. But instate a lock down when they’re falling, and you can claim that it was your lockdown that lowered numbers.
If any of them had any sense they would use this to claim Victory in time to save Xmas but they’ve all got used to swanking around exercising their illegitimate power in thrall to numerous vested interests.
Why would they want victory? If we “defeated” a virus Hancock would go back to being a grey, unimportant little man. In his mind he is a mighty Covid warrior taking on the virus on behalf of his beloved people. Which politician wouldn’t want that?
“taking on the virus on behalf of his beloved people”
Correction
Taking on the people on behalf of the cabal.
No, I think that in his head he is doing this for us, because he loves us and we need him. It wouldn’t be nearly so damaging if he was corrupt.
I worked on FMD in 2001. There were people who were wetting themselves at the excitement of their lives, instead of being boring MAFF civil servants, going round counting farm animals. Some of them were even shown on Border TV news! Careers were made, people gave themselves ludicrously grandiose titles, such as Chef de Cabinet, and had little badges made and, once the Army became involved, started talking about ‘in peacetime’.
They love it. They’re all running around inside their own little bubble, feeding each other with the adrenalin and self importance of it all.
This is one of the clearest warnings about the coronapanic that I’ve seen, doesn’t use any of the words which let the brainwashed label it as a “conspiracy theory”, but warns of the same threats nonetheless:
https://www.aier.org/article/will-things-ever-go-back-to-normal/
This time WE have to make it go back to normal, ourselves, somebody just show us how to start.
This should be compulsory reading for all lockdown zealots. But I’m also reminded that Income Tax was supposed to be a temporary measure to fund the Napoleonic wars and from Income Tax state intrusion into our daily lives has irrevocably increased.
Meet your friends. Hug your family. Wear your smile with pride. Talk to people when the opportunity arises.
That’s the way to do it.
It’s climate change all over again. They block scientists that hold a dissenting opinion. They ridicule them and threaten anyone that would publicise their work. They completely erase them from public view. All so they can claim consensus in the scientific community.
Great news here from Politburo Central (Brussels): hurrah for another lockdown ! Curfew will be in effect from midnight to 05:00am, working from home mandatory for everyone, mandatory mask regime in public transport and in all in-door public places (was already in effect since forever, May I think…). allowed to receive no more than four people at home (provided that they will be the same people for two weeks), and all cafes and restaurants in Belgium will be closed. The authorities “were forced to introduce such measures due to the worsening situation with the spread of COVID-19”, our minister explained. Over the past two weeks, “the number of new cases of COVID-19 has increased by 182 percent”. They add that we are now at 10 327 fatal cases (the count was at about 10.000 by end of August, with a large majority being 85+ and most having died in the ‘suspect’ period of Mar-May – 327 extra deaths since then, from beginning of September till now, means on average 6 or 7 deaths per day, but apparently that is all it takes to set the merry-go-round of autodestruction spinning all over again). So much for the pity party… should go… Read more »
I thought your government said they were going to stop using ‘case’ numbers to dictate policy.
As usual, they lied… (and they have been touting the 7 or 8 deaths/day lately, on a popuplation of 11.5 million, as a disaster of biblical proportions).
Yeah, I think we know the feeling. 🙁
Awake as a strong person determined to see the villains hanged. Don’t let them beat you. I’m in Gulag Wales and they aren’t going to beat me.
Ann you are a shining beacon of non-conformity for everyone, every time i read your comments i feel a bit more optimistic!
Glad to hear it.
Actually I feel fine today on my own account. It’s the businesses going bust that distress me, except the squalid little shops sporting instructions to wear your mask CORRECTLY. Now they can go bust. CORRECTLY.
On with the sticker campaign!
🌝
Just posted this on yesterdays page, reposting here as people don’t tend to look at previous pages (well I don’t anyway). — I’m struggling to get my head around what this article means when it says 10% of people are responsible for 80% of transmission. They try to explain it here: Simply put, overdispersion means that a minority of infected individuals are responsible for an unexpectedly high percentage of transmission. Overdispersion is often reported as the proportion of infected individuals who cause 80% of transmission. For Sars-CoV-2, this value may be 10% or lower. So, while on average a group of 10 infected individuals might cause 25 secondary infections, just one of those originally infected might infect 20 people, while the remaining nine combine to infect only five. So for all infections the ratio must be the same or similar in order to preserve the overall ratio. That would mean all secondary infections would follow the same pattern of transmission right? In the example above, 10% of the 25 secondary infections, lets round up to 3, would be superspreaders infecting 60 more people whilst the 22 remaining people only go on to infect 15 and so on. I know that… Read more »
I only got a pass at ‘O’ level Stats but seem to remember that 10-80 proportion is common for many things like 10% of criminals responsible for 80% of crime or (made up but not unlikely) 10% of footballers scoring 80% of goals.
Pareto principle 80/20 rule.
So, in the case of covid, it’s another statistic pulled out of their arse, rather than from empirical evidence?
Not at all. There’s quite a lot of work on how social networks develop. Infections like this tend to spread person-to-person,
I think you have to take opportunity into account, a person capable of being a ‘super-spreader’ can only spread the disease if they come into contact with enough non-immune people. So that a ‘super-spreader’ has the potential but will not actually infect anyone unless they have the opportunity.
In a way it is a bit like a chain letter but it needs the chain to continue, I think that is where some of the thinking behind herd immunity comes in?
That’s correct, if a super spreader comes across people already immune they won’t catch it. The superspreader model is that of an ultra sociable person going out everyday and meeting lots of people who are all susceptible. And eventually enough people have had it that it’s difficult to spread it further.
Vaccination relies on conferring this immunity. So will natural spread of disease, but the lockdown wonks tell us that naturally acquired immunity wears off so the vaccination is better. I have my doubts about that.
They started going on about infected immunity wearing off soon into lockdown without suggesting why it would.
Locked us down in an attempt to make sure immunity couldn’t spread in the first place.
I’m yet to see any evidence that these “super spreaders” exist. Nor infection by asymptomatic individuals at all. In fact, no evidence that they are even detecting actual infectious individuals.
I think it’s all just a ruse to control us by trying to make out that you need to be fearful of everyone, and take ridiculous steps such as wearing face rags to protect others.
Sounds like another way to say “those pesky anti-maskers are causing all covid transmission”
This link is to an obscure YouTube site in the US, but often displays little nuggets!
This one is about how up to 85% of covid infections are mask wearers! Lasts about 15 minutes, all info from the US CDC, hidden away in one of their reports.
https://youtu.be/BOovHHOgkUI
Hi all
I need to produce a leaflet for our first public display on Thursday.
I have lots of ideas but if there were three top “facts” that we would like to get across to newly doubting people what would they be?
Cases not real
Virus not as deadly as thought
False positives
Lockdowns don’t work
Etc
Etc
Please give me your top three. Ideally provide some text as well.
Thanks
LT
False positives might be a bit complicated as an introduction.
I might ask two questions
1. Do you know anybody who has died OF Covid?
2. Do you know anybody who has lost their job or been denied NHS service because of lockdown ?
Be careful with the first question. Every zombie knows somebody who knows somebody whose deceased sister’s second cousin twice removed died of Covid not once, but many times.
Like that lady early in lockdown who claimed 3 close relatives had died of the Covid.
Attention seeking at its worst.
Wasn’t there a woman on the tube verbaliising a maskless bloke because 6! of her relatives had died of, with, because of coroni ?
Something like that but I don’t watch telly so didn’t see it.
‘and he wasn’t very old or in bad health, as far as I have heard’
Wow..that’s me! How did you guess!
Include the number of suicides and people denied healthcare-get the the damning message over that your ‘loved ones’ are at a real risk from the NHS not delivering a service through deliberate or poor organisation. The psychological impacts on children having social distancing drilled into them and mask wearing – health and psychological impacts. The analogy of more chance of being killed in a car accident than Covid, lightning if a child.
Define proportionate, then compare with the current response to a virus that doesn’t kill 99.6% of people, average age of deaths 82.4 years. Quote the usual daily deaths, 1600, so around 45,000 a month, that should put some perspective on things, and world deaths from TB, malaria, poor sanitation etc.
That’s the sort of information you need to have to hand once Lockdown Truths leaflet (start thread) gains their interest.
450 deaths from cancer daily.
24 other things more likely to kill you this month.
That kind of stuff.
I agree that the first question is not necessarily a great idea. My wife and I are strong lockdown sceptics (manic, swivel-eyed, etc., no doubt) but we do know someone who died of Covid. She was obese and diabetic. It’s a tragedy, but individual tragedies don’t change facts or logic.
Do you know anybody who has died OF Covid?
this is THE WORSE QUESTION EVER. Avoid it like the
Ronaplague.Everybody knows somebody who has died of it. COVID victims are local legends.
Perhaps it is better to initially ask people if they are shielding and if they have known anybody who died of it. Then go all sympathetic and ask what happened. You will find that the deceased will have been old ill with loads of other stuff and nearly dead anyway in. Don’t point that out thought, they know thier story of covid death is weak in most cases.
Once that bomb is diffused then you can go onto to talk about other stuff. They have shot their load, so to speak, peaked too early. Spent. Errr Spa….no hehe
I don’t know anyone. I have a suicide in the family from lockdown, but don’t know a single ACTUAL covid illness.
The argument that there is no real difference with the flu always did it for me (despite all the shouting to the contrary – a quick glance at flu stats for the bad 2018 season in the UK will certainly provide useful supporting material). Why suddenly destroy society (which doesn’t even help) over something we hardly even noticed until less than a year ago?
1. If masks are so effective at capturing cv19, why are they not treated as clinical waste?
2. Why for the first 18 weeks of this pandemic were we not advised to wear masks?
3. If masks are so critical why are government not advising we wear a specific type of mask rather than anything over our faces?
To which the answer is the ‘Swiss cheese’ defence – wearing a gimp gag, shunning your family and rubbing dog dirt into your gums all contribute, but you have no right to rely on any one of these measures. No no no. Each one just gives a layer of protection. Safety comes only when you do everything you are told. And then, actually, you are not safe – it’s just that you are then allowed to blame the naughty sceptics rather than yourself if you get ill.
Just received a leaflet from a local animal sanctuary. a new threat to British wildlife.. you can guess..
Hibernating masks ?
…and keep banging on about Sweden.
A country in Western Europe with several big cities where people are just walking around normally.
If this ‘disease’ is the same thing in the UK as in Sweden, then how can that possibly be.
Edit: Did you know that since the Covid-19 bollocks started 99.9356% of the UK population haven’t died… of Covid-19?
Some recent surveys suggested that most people have no idea how many people die per week in the normal course of events and that most people hugely over-estimate how many people have died from/with covid.
At the present time, even with all the dodgy data, covid related deaths are a small proportion of total deaths
Also, people seem unaware that your likelihood of dying from covid follows the same graph of your likelihood of dying from anything so that below the age of 65 your chances of dying from covid or anything are quite low.
A while back someone quoted 7% of the population dying from the Covid, they rethought that when told that would be the whole of London.
I caught someone saying the other day “well, 1,500 people normally die every week anyway.”
I had to stop them and point out that was a daily number.
Yes- start by asking people what proportion of the population they think have died from Covid.
Then, give the officail figure.
Then segue into ‘with’ versus ‘of’
Yes this was something I’d never really thought about until the covid panic started.
1600 + 1 is not that different from 1600
Encourage people to consider whether the response of our government is in proportion to the threat. I think this is one of our strongest arguments and does not alienate people who genuinely consider that cornavirus / Covid-19 is much more threatening to life than it actually is. We need to encourage people to think through whether the response to the virus has been in proportion to the threat. I would focus on providing some very dry, hopefully uncontroversial data. eg. 1. The population of England and Wales in mid-2019 was 59,439,840. 2. The number of deaths registered in England and Wales each year is between 500,000 and 550,000. In 2018, for example, it was 541,589, so around 1,484 deaths every day, on average. In that year, dementia and Alzheimer disease was the leading cause of death, accounting for 69,000 deaths. 3. The number of deaths in the England and Wales this year (between 28 December, 2019 until 2 October, 2020) where deaths “involved” Covid-19 was 52,592. (This does not mean that Covid-19 directly caused each of these deaths. But it may have contributed to it). 4. In June, 2020 the UK went into a recession. As at the end of… Read more »
Very good. I have been planning a leaflet, too, and was wondering the same as the original question.
Or change the language to, ‘I bet you didn’t know, or did you know that 99.9% of people remained healthy, unaffected’ or similar. It’s a bit like saying, ‘I can’t tell you it will be easy,’ will focus your brain on the positive easy, rather than saying, ‘it wont be easy.’
6 out 7 over 90’s survive. Not great of odds maybe but at 90+ you are very susceptible to most viruses and just about everything else.
Virus is equivalent to flu. (Several top scientists have said this).
Masks don’t work. Other than as symbols of compliance/subjugation.
They’re not ‘cases’, they’re positive results from a discredited testing mechanism.
Cases = Positive PCR test (+80% false positive rate)
Which figure THEY use to justify not testing people returning from abroad.
I would start with the false positives, because these are what the government is basing its whole disastrous policy on.
State the fact that these false positives are lumped in with the reported ‘cases’. Dispel the common idea that ‘cases’ are hospitalisations.
Look at actual deaths from Covid (not with) across the country – it’s deaths, not cases, that are the figure to look for.
Lastly, ask why flu deaths seem to have disappeared and highlight that the government has now lumped these together (see Ivor Cummins).
The key to getting across any information is to ensure people learn the three things you want them to, so keep it very simple. I say this as someone who has worked in public engagement.
Lockdowns = businesses close forever
Covid only NHS, no treatment for you
Hospitals are empty
Jobs lost forever
repeat the cancer deaths (is it 450 a day) and then point out the thousands that have not been diagnosed or have had treatment suspended which will kill many more and that is so bad that not only did the NHS have to start TV adverts a couple of weeks ago to get people to visit the covid only NHS when they suspect a potential cancer symptom but just noticed CRUK have also had to start TV adverts which specifically tell people that the NHS IS open and your doctor will SEE you.
Except that many doctors won’t!
But what’s another lie among so many?
Virus gonna virus.
A good conversation starter? You can talk about Hope-Simpson, the Gompertz Curve, Ivor Cummins and his brilliant analysis, etc.
I would go with Lockdowns Don’t Work, because it’s easily proven to the sane, exposes the media narrative in a subtle way and doesn’t confront anyone still petrified of the virus. Question why do we care more about a covid death than a cancer death. Or better yet – why we care more about our deaths than the 100 million (I can’t recall the exact number, but it was absurd) of people who are going to starve to death because of this bullshit impacting the third world. It manipulates the moral high ground, which – of course – is all these cock wombles care about. Moral Superiority. They will flock where ever they perceive the greatest possible Smug Factor.
They are Useful Idiots…. so use them.
(Sorry for typos)
Somebody at York University needs a slap.
Advice at ours to isolating students specifically allows them to ignore isolation rules if they or others are in danger.
Somebody there needs to go to prison for conspiracy to murder.
The Americans have a good crime for that🚔
Reckless Endangerment.
If a fire actually happened, and a quarantined student died, it would be corporate manslaughter.
Which is what it says in government advice also, e.g.you can be maskless in am emergency situation.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/oct/19/co-author-anti-lockdowns-letter-appeared-far-right-radio-show-martin-kulldorff-great-barrington-declaration-richie-allen-show
I too used to be a Guardian reader – but not anymore – smear campaigns such as this against anyone with a different perspective are simply unacceptable…
Not to mention the anti-semitism and racist cartoons (Priti Patel etc…). Kept alive by ‘tax efficient’ sale of Auto Trader through Cayman Islands.
Same here. Used to read the Guardian but the constant sanctimonious op-ed pieces and their hypocrisy put me off.
I was once watching a video of someone explaining why they’d left the Guardian. Son walks into room, conversation as follows
Me: (pointing to screen) “He’s explaining why he left the Guardian…”
Son: (instant response) “Because they’re all sanctimonious tw*ts?”
He’s not wrong there!
Lots of us Guardian refugees here!
Let’s call it by an even better name. A civilization breaker. A humanity breaker. A science breaker. A universe breaker. A genocide.
Or the best name of all: Viagra for psychopathic leaders.
Economy breaker.
Business breaker.
Thanks for all the above ideas, I’ve made them into a poster in my car back window!
https://twitter.com/NickTriggle/status/1318299250476961796?s=20
At the school where I teach, we have already had two socially distanced fire drills. And yes, it takes a lot longer to evacuate. I pray common sense or instincts take over if there is ever a real fire.
I suppose the burnt corpses recovered from the fire would at least test negative for coronavirus.
There has not been a single case at my school.
😂
Don’t bet on it!
At my prep school 55+ years ago the headmaster told one of the boys to stay behind in the school during fire drill to check that everyone was on their toes at roll call. That was a different world and it certainly feels that way.
Our leaders have been bought to engineer the controlled demolition of the old world of free people in a free society. Behold the panopticon of total control.
These changes are demoralising and destabilising by design. Yuri Bezmenov’s lectures on YouTube express this very eloquently. They must be resisted not just by reasoned argument but by rhetorical appeal to beauty, heroism and virtue. If only we had not lost Sir Roger Scruton last year….
After almost 72 years on this planet, I thought I’d heard it all!!!
Sheer unadulterated insanity.
Fire drills half the time are useless and are simply box ticking exercises. If there’s an actual fire, common sense usually takes over.
It took even longer at my daughter’s school as the teachers told the pupils to put on their masks before leaving the room.Some had to waste vital minutes going back to their bags to retrieve them from wherever they had been stuffed. This wasn’t a fire drill either, someone had accidentally set the alarm off but this was only found out later.
That might be illegal as well as stupid. The government mask exemption guidelines state a mask exemption applies if:
“to avoid harm or injury, or the risk of harm or injury, to yourself or others ‒ including if it would negatively impact on your ability to exercise or participate in a strenuous activity”
I think running out of a burning building comes into that category.
https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/face-coverings-when-to-wear-one-and-how-to-make-your-own/face-coverings-when-to-wear-one-and-how-to-make-your-own
The page on Education states:
“This is guidance, not mandatory activity, and any legal exemptions that apply to the wearing of face coverings in shops and on public transport also apply to this new advice.”
That is exactly what my daughter said very loudly as she exited without a mask (she doesn’t actually own one) but it sums up the brainwashing that has taken place in schools.
Have all the worlds airworthiness authorities extended the permissible time by which every passenger should be able to escape from a commercial airliner, in the event of an emergency? One wonders how many would have drowned when Sully put his Airbus down in the Hudson, if that sort of bollocks was in force…
After this is all over, I hope that none of us forget what the government has inflicted on the people. In addition to criminal responsibility being assigned (after due process of law) onto individuals (so far as possible), a good outcome would be a law that no lockdown (defined as any restriction of normal freedoms) can be imposed due to a public health situation on either the whole country, or a part of the country, without a vote of at least 80% of the House of Commons. The power to impose lockdowns should be specifically removed from the devolved governments and reserved to Westminster.
That’s why neither UK or USA described it as Quarantine as that would have required both countries to proceed according to pre-arranged protocols, provide compensation and probably require oversight.
That’s a very interesting comment!
The individual states of USA (rather than USA, not a federal lockdown) many with political motives to make Orange Man seem bad.
Whitmer wants to 86 45 for instance. https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/10/update-proof-michigan-governor-whitmer-deliberately-displayed-kill-trump-symbolism-background-sunday-interview/?utm_source=Twitter&utm_campaign=websitesharingbuttons
Why should anybody have that power?
A letter was leaked yesterday in which German civil servants in Berlin asked the Senate there to urgently pass a law that indemnifies them for any actions they took duringbthe pandemic.
CYA has started, so they know they screwed it up and that what they are doing now isn’t working.
“After” all this?? That’s so cute… you actually think it’s going to end!
2020 will be fondly remembered as the good days.
The dictator knows this is not for two weeks. We know it is not for two weeks. The dictator knows that we know this is not for two weeks
This is about a sadist seizing the opportunity to hurt people
If the common cold has not been eradicated in two weeks we will be punished further
Time to fight back
When does Rishi turn off the furlough hose?
UK gets cheap loans because we, unlike most European countries, have not renaged on our sovereign debt for three hundred years or more. I wonder how long that reputation will last.
Right, not for nearly 350 years https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stop_of_the_Exchequer
End of October, only 11 days to go.
Well Ireland have just declared full lockdown for 6 weeks ..or maybe longer , who knows? Depends how they feel about it .. We are next , god help us!
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8856835/Nicola-Sturgeon-warns-Scots-circuit-breaker-lockdown-stay-place-foreseeable-future.html
Surprise, surprise, the ‘temporary’ circuit breaker will be extended.
The Holyrood Dominatrix is on a roll now and there’s no end in sight.
https://www.spiked-online.com/2020/10/19/the-danger-of-scientific-dogmatism/
Worth reading.
“She can bile her hied” has a certain LS friend been on the comments?
Hasn’t been on for a couple of days has he?
He was briefly on late yesterday.
Despicable.
Forever as this virus will never be defeated and they are about 1-2 years away from vaccine…
BBC R4 news 9am Tuesday.
Discussing various attempts to develop a vaccine
“The Chinese have already made one which they are using ON their population”.
Odd choice of words.
Probably Tibetans and Uighurs.
i heard that is was to be used on the army (so no choice there) and students who wanted to study overseas.
Actually, now that covid is no longer a pandemic (despite what the MSM and government think) isn’t injecting a new virus into thousands of students and then sending them all over the world to study an excellent way of spreading an updated virus (covid 20?) so the CCP can continue their plan to ruin the west?
If she suspends next year’s elections, claiming ‘exceptional circumstances’, we’ll never be rid of her and her cronies.
She could just stay on and on and on and on-all in the name of ‘staying safe’ and ‘shielding the vulnerable’.
My worst fears are growing.
It was obvious that wee Krankie would never allow Scotland to be outdone by Wales or Ireland in the political purity stakes! Not when she’s still suckling on the Bank of England’s teat and waging a moral war on Scottish pubs. I guess once the Scottish economy has totally collapsed after Christmas then there’s no further damage she can inflict with her indy ambitions? A win-win for her and her nutjob cult.
The Scottish Neverending Party.
The Saint Nicola Party
Hey Dom, remember the speech that old duffer Chamberlain made when he stitched up Czecho ? I’ve cribbed it a bit, what do you think ? 📺
“Tomorrow Parliament is going to meet and I shall be making a full statement of the events which have led up to the present anxious and critical situation.
First I would like to thank those of you who have written to tell of your gratitude for my efforts and your prayers for my success…
But they thought too soon that the danger of Covid had passed. How terrible that we should be closing pubs and trying on masks again because of a virus from a faraway country of which we know little.
I can well understand why the leaders of Manchester City Council have felt unable to accept the terms put to them but from my conversations with Mr Vallence I feel certain that this is the end of Covids territorial advance through England.
So it’s tier three for you Andy, suck it up man”
‘Ending could do with tightening up Boris.’
On the GBD, I would love it to be true but surely should read thousand rather than million?
“You can find it here. Please sign it. Now over five-and-a-half-a-million signatures, compared to the John Snow Memorandum’s 4,400. Embarrassing”.
It’s over half a million now.
We do NOT help our cause by publishing false statistics. Leave that game to our enemies.
Concerned citizens
550,745
Medical & public health scientists
10,842
Medical practitioners
30,129
Labour MP yesterday spouted lies about hospitals in Wales being 75% full which was double what it was last year. Really?
https://twitter.com/statsjamie/status/1318298512841449472?s=21
People need to ask questions and not blindly accept everything they are told!
Haven’t seen any photos of queues of ambulances outside our local hospital this year, which is the usual state of affairs in the autumn and winter.
We are also having a brand new mega hospital opening in a couple of weeks, so bed capacity will be much higher than currently reported.
Hospitals are always full. From my 20 years of nursing including ICU, ended 2000, wards were always busy, except possibly Christmas and other major holidays. The simple logic is if they didn’t need the beds they wouldn’t maintain the capacity – why would you have 10 ICU beds if you only needed 2, why build a 500 bed hospital if you need only 200 beds. This constant bemoaning hospitals are full, is once again language manipulation, distortion and fear mongering.
Hospital bed numbers have been declining ever since the formation of the NHS when they stood at some 100’s of thousands.
worth watching the interview on Talk Radio (linked in the tweet), not only is Bryant talking shite, he is the most obnoxious person and resorts to insulting and abusing the interviewer
mtr. I wrote to Mr Bryant to convey what I thought of his performance on the Dan Wootten show.. This is the reply that I received:-
‘I have read all the material on the Barrington declaration and it is deeply flawed science which virtually every major epidemiologist has dismissed as dangerous. These are the people who said the virus would wear itself out by July, who promotes all sorts of treatments which haven’t worked and who claimed we should let the virus run so we acquire herd immunity even though there is no evidence that the virus dies confer immunity for more than a month or two. They also advocate virtually imprisoning the elderly and the vulnerable forgetting that it is phenomenally difficult to stop a virus leaching out into the community.
It’s true that I was a bit taken aback by his aggression so wasn’t at my most reasonable but I do think his views are dangerous,
All the best
Chris’
He’s just made most of that up.
Chris Bryant:
aka Adam Hill?
mjr. I wrote to Mr Bryant to convey more or less the same view as you. This is the reply that I received: –
‘I have read all the material on the Barrington declaration and it is deeply flawed science which virtually every major epidemiologist has dismissed as dangerous. These are the people who said the virus would wear itself out by July, who promotes all sorts of treatments which haven’t worked and who claimed we should let the virus run so we acquire herd immunity even though there is no evidence that the virus dies confer immunity for more than a month or two. They also advocate virtually imprisoning the elderly and the vulnerable forgetting that it is phenomenally difficult to stop a virus leaching out into the community.
It’s true that I was a bit taken aback by his aggression so wasn’t at my most reasonable but I do think his views are dangerous,
All the best
Chris’
Take heart, fellow Welshies. Josef Stalin Dripfeed has virtually admitted that the prison sentence is unenforceable by police or ‘environmental officers’.
For some unfathomable reason this site won’t let me post this comment with a quote (bout of electronic vomiting?), but it’s all on Wales Online. We have to do our bit to keep the Gulag going.
https://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/wales-news/fire-break-lockdown-wales-coronavirus-19126990
And we will. Oh yes. Won’t we?
Sadly, the systematic murder of businesses is not so easily circumvented.
PS.Comments on Wales Online are almost uniformly hostile. And the more hostile, the more upticks.
PPS. ONE alleged Covideath in Wales yesterday.
‘Cases’ falling.
PPPS. The mayor of Cardiff has proved himself equal to the emergency by introducing antiracist indoctrination into schools.. Same website.
In the last month South Wales Police, a force of 3000+ plus officers issued ONE fixed penalty notice
The revolution is beginning
The Welsh Ceaucescu is about to feel the wrath of the people
The memory of how the Romanians dealt with Ceaucescu is one I cherish.
There are quite a few Romanians in Wales who will be able to direct us.
Romanians certainly know how to deal with the vampires who are sucking our country dry.
No socially distanced halloween or bonfire night for you then.
Nope, but they’re supposed to be letting us out just before Remembrance Sunday so’s we can celebrate the memory of those who died for our freedom.
o the irony….
No help for the self employed unless they pay business rates. Wish the WAG had an office round here, as it would be getting a brick through its window.
I’m in SE Wales and the impression I get from social media and talking to real people, is that there is little support for the new lockdown. People are coming to terms with the fact that we are going to have to live with the virus and that the sooner we do that and get back to normal life the better. At the hairdressers yesterday and the lady who did my hair – single mum, three young kids who is freelance/self employed and will now get no earnings for two weeks – said at the beginning of the pandemic she was really scared. Her Uncle’s wife died of/with covid, which made her think lockdowns were necessary. But since then she’s changed her mind, she said her auntie had lots of health issues anyway and those are the people who are vulnerable not the rest of us, and now just wants everything to get back to normal. People die she said, it’s sad but we can’t stop living. I think people are grudgingly willing to accept these two weeks BUT if restrictions continue after the two weeks which stop businesses reopening, then people will start kicking off. The end is in… Read more »
I hope so, my youngest son, a chef, was made redundant from his job in a London restaurant. He found a new job in Pembrokeshire about 6 weeks ago and moved into a flat in Narberth, he is now unable to work due to the latest fiasco of a lockdown. His mental health has already taken a beating.
Narberth is one of 14 Welsh locations that has never had any Covvideaths at all.
When this s..t is over, and I do mean WHEN, tell me where your son works and we will book a celebratory table.
Same lack of support in NE Wales, judging by the various people from all walks of life that my wife and I are talking to, and from our own relatives’ shifting perceptions, from abject terror at the start of the hysteria, to simmering resentment.
So glad you posted this, Annie. I stopped reading WalesOnline a few months ago because all the comments were in favour of lockdowns, masks, etc. so thought it was a lost cause. Will now head over there to add some hostile upticks!
Thanks for that link, Annie. Saves me having to search for the transcript of Drakeford’s speech. When I have time later, I’ll go through it with a fine-toothed comb and do a bit of fact-checking.
Please do, but you could probably comb out most of the lies with a rake.
It’s pretty well impossible for a business to fight back. If the gestapo don’t get them, a Stasi snitch will.
I did come across one startling possibility.My beloved local garden centre will be staying open, they tell me, because they also sell dogfood and this is deemed to be an essential service.
So I would advise all businesses to invest in a few tins of Pedigree Chum.
This may relate to the news that university students trapped in halls of residence have worked out that one way of escaping is to set off the fire alarm. Pleased to see that they have the nous to work that out, come on students everywhere set off your fire alarms, you have nothing to loose and you might get some fresh air before you are rounded up again!
Years ago the fire brigade got really annoyed with the University because every time an alarm went of at a Halls they had to send a tender and the ladder vehicle.
False alarms were much reduced by banning toasters.
Please see the following email I have sent to Simon Dolan, as, even though I fully support his attempt at JR, it is unlikely to succeed. But I have an alternative idea, what do you think? Dear Simon With the greatest respect, in hindsight, your fight with the government (which I contributed to from the start) was never going to work. They will not allow their judicial system to take them down, or exceptionally unlikely. However, I have had a thought. You keep tweeting “The problem is the PCR test, stop getting tested” or something of that ilk. The scared sheep won’t stop, so why not put the heads of the NHS trust hospitals facilitating the tests on notice of their actions and their culpability in assisting the government in an illegal act. Send the the details of the German solicitors Class Action lawsuit, which they will be guilty of if they continue. Start at the top and work down the hierarchy. The heads of testing companies, the heads of police, the individual politicians. Start to scare the people that are facilitating this, once on notice they cannot hide behind the government. Could be done with official solicitors letters, or… Read more »
Great letter.
However, there should be court challenges as eventually something will give. Simon’s team also gained a lot of information (government had to respond to their challenges in writing prior to court date) and was also ‘forced’ to change what they were doing to try and outsmart the court challenge. No legal challenges just provide the government with ammunition to go in harder and more extreme.
I agree with your PCR message that needs to get out on a daily basis and that people should stop testing
Hi Victoria
Apologies, I didn’t mean to knock the achievements of all and any legal action, you are absolutely right. My thoughts were an addition, and a low cost one at that.
Has anybody, like me, just more or less given up on reading anything scientific anymore? At first, I possessed something of a voracious appetite for anything that debunked the enthusiastically promulgated myths concerning the efficacy of muzzles, “super-spreaders” & the spiralling number of “cases” – & now I ask myself, what the hell is the point? What the hell is the point when the government are under the hypnotic spell of SAGE, those arrogant purveyors of doom-laden hysteria? What the hell is the point when ministers from both sides of the house constantly regurgitate the same pseudoscientific nonsense that we’ve long since known is completely without friends in the world of evidence-based knowledge & understanding? What the hell is the point when an utterly mendacious mainstream media acts as the government’s propaganda wing, churning out Goebbelsian fear-porn on a daily basis which is all too readily absorbed by a highly suggestible & naive populace? Please don’t presume that I am proposing we throw in the towel – far from it. I’m merely highlighting the fact that the scientific battle was won long ago, and it doesn’t seem to matter one iota. Petulant, unqualified dictators like Matt Hancock are in the… Read more »
Yes, I know where you’re coming from. All science and reason has been thrown to the wind. There is no rational argumentation when it comes to covid, there never has been. That is because what is happening here is a scam. It never was about a virus. It is a scam.
Yes, those sceptics who still think the government is merely misguided must be having a hard time hanging on to that old chestnut. This government is in bed with the globalists and some of its more prominent members clearly look to have taken the globalist shilling. Nothing else gets near explaining what is really going on. The key watchwords should be vaccines and depopulation.
Agree and you’re very spot on with this. I’ve given up on using facts and logic because it was like trying to get blood out of a stone. My mum used to say that sometimes it takes for someone to stumble and fall badly before they learn and I think we’re reaching that point.
The coming tsunami of redundancies and bankruptcies I suspect will be what will wake people up. As is tax raids and a host of personal experiences ranging from being unable to visit grandparents or a parent falling ill and unable to access medical services.
I been felling like that for the last 2 months..Data, science, experts, graphs, facts. Nothing matters anymore. There is no point, the course of this country has been set and nothing will change it…Except maybe an armed rebellion or rioting on the scale we have never seen in this country before. But this will never happen as we are an island of spineless ,submissive, sheep. Both my grandfathers who fought in WW2 are spinning in their graves. I’m happy they are both death, this would be too much for them to bear.
The lockdowners use emotion, not logic. It is propaganda. We should too. I don’t think we should lie, but a few emotional stories about people dying because of lockdown wouldn’t come amiss. Plus some jaunty positive facts about Covid.
You’re right fighting to end the tyranny of lockdown is a much better message that arguing over statistics .There is no doubt more and more people are coming round . I think we need to start seeing ourselves as lockdown resisters instead of just sceptics . The doom mongers who would give up at the drop of an hat and those those who trust the polls are wrong ,the reckoning is coming sooner than people realise .
Lockdown resisters – the Resistance!
You cannot reason with a crowd, nor with a fanatic and least of all with a crowd of fanatics.
They are all so invested in their ideas and belonging to the crowd now, that no turning back is possible, only doubling down.
They will only turn their back on the leaders, ideas and crowd after the catastrophes (hyperinflation, mass unemoyment, vaccine deaths etc.) have happened.
See Cults, the Xhosa cattle killing story and mass psychology 101 as per Gustave Lebon.
In terms of names for the other side
“Doomers” seems to be a favourite.
And in their mind the current uncertainty ends up being certainty of the worst case scenario – which is invulnerable to logic.
What we need to do is give them another uncertainty to worry about that is worse. Comparative persuasion.
The mistake was the furlough scheme. What it needed to be was a drop to £10 per hour.
When a Doomer is looking at their comfy job becoming a £10 per hour living wage job, then we may see a change in attitude.
No the proper name for them is Everybody (but a tiny, tiny minority)..They are the 99% , they will decide, this country will never come out of lockdown, we will wear masks in 10 years time, everybody will have a Health passport or you will be a homeless person living under a bridge. This is happening and there is nothing any of us can do to stop it.The tide is not turning, soon you will have Brown Shirts-Covid Marshalls and 30s Germany will look like fucking Disneyland compared to will happen here and everywhere in the West.
A tad doomy ? 🙂
Then get off your knees and stand and fight .If this was in war time you would be shot for comments like that and in my opinion rightly so .
In time of war this would have not happened as the people would be working towards defeating a REAL enemy not something that ahs 99,98% survalibility! a 500 kg bomb dropped from a He111 does not have ..it ash a 100% death ratting if you are anywhere near it.
We have a REAL enemy. They’re mostly in Westminster and Whitehall.
ONLY POISONED MONKEY KIDNEY CELLS ‘GREW’ THE ‘VIRUS’
Is the virus harmless to humans?
https://drtomcowan.com/only-poisoned-monkey-kidney-cells-grew-the-virus/
Monkey DNA transferred to your body
The video is extremely interesting!