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Government Was Warned About Looming Cancer Crisis Five Months Ago

Lockdown Sceptics has obtained a briefing note written by Professor Karol Sikora on May 18th warning the Government about the looming crisis in cancer care and making a series of recommendations about how to avoid it. Prof Sikora even flagged up the risk that GP referrals of suspected cancer patients would fall dramatically, which Cancer Research UK said yesterday meant that 350,000 people who would normally have been referred to hospital with suspected cancer in the past six months have still not been seen.

The briefing note was produced at the behest of Sir Simon Stevens, the NHS’s Chief Executive, but after submitting it to a civil servant in the DHSC Prof Sikora never heard anything more.

Not only did Prof Sikora identify all the risks that have subsequently materialised, he also suggested a solution: collaboration with the private sector. Here’s his conclusion:

The surge of cancer patients is expected by late summer 2020. The independent sector has huge resources to assist the NHS by working in partnership. Developing a plan centrally and authorising local coordination based on existing NHS cancer centres would provide the most effective structure for implementation. This will significantly mitigate against delay and strict rationing to ensure the best long-term outcomes for our patients.

When the official inquiry begins into the unending series of cock-ups by the Government and the Civil Service, this document will be a smoking gun.

Did Tony Blair Break Quarantine Rules?

Tony Blair leaving Harry’s Bar in Mayfair 10 days after returning from the United States

You’d be forgiven for thinking it’s one set of lockdown rules for the political elite and another for the hoi polloi, given how many times members of the political class have been caught flouting the rules. The latest addition to this ignominious list is Tony Blair. The Sunday Telegraph has devoted its front page splash to the story.

Tony Blair was last night accused of a “flagrant” breach of COVID-19 restrictions, after failing to self-isolate for a fortnight after a two-day trip to the US on a private jet.

In pictures obtained by this newspaper, the former prime minister is seen leaving a restaurant in Mayfair 10 days after his return from Washington DC last month.

The Sunday Telegraph understands that Mr Blair appealed to Whitehall ­officials for special dispensation from the COVID-19 rules, but that he was not issued with the formal exemption letter he would have needed to avoid the 14-day isolation period.

The Telegraph is not aware of any other exemption for which Mr Blair could qualify. He claims he was advised to follow rules on attending “international conferences”, having travelled to the US for a ceremony at the White House at which Israel signed agreements establishing formal relations with Bahrain and the UAE.

But the “international conferences” exemption to the rules applies to ­diplomats, staff at international bodies such as the UN and formal representatives at international conferences who have been “granted privileges and immunities”.

Mr Blair is considered a private ­citizen, having stepped down from his post-No 10 role as Middle East envoy in 2015.

Those taking advantage of the exemption require “an exemption letter to show at the border”.

A spokesman for the former Prime Minister said he was invited by the US Government because of the role he played in the agreement between Israel and the UAE – describing the ceremony as a “diplomatic conference”.

The spokesman also insisted Mr Blair “posed no risk to anyone” as he was tested before his departure, on arrival at the White House, and again several times since returning to the UK.

Posed no risk to anyone?

Well, I’ve had the virus and recovered and have the antibodies to prove it, so I’m not a risk to anyone either. Does that mean I, too, can disregard the rules when they’re inconvenient?

Didn’t think so.

Stop Press: The Mail on Sunday has confirmed that MPs did flout the 10pm curfew in a House of Commons bar on October 5th. Matt Hancock has confirmed that he was in the bar on the night in question, but left to vote at 9.40pm and won’t disclose whether he returned afterwards in spite of being asked the question 30 times. Things are looking a bit sticky for the Health Secretary.

Tory Grandees Ask: “What’s the Exit Strategy?”

Sir Graham Brady, lockdown sceptic

Also on the front page of the Sunday Telegraph is a story about how senior Tories, including Sir Graham Brady, Chair of the 1922 Committee, are demanding to know what the exit strategy is.

Senior Conservatives expressed growing anger at the Government’s handling of the COVID-19 pandemic, amid mounting concern that swathes of the country are heading for further restrictions this week.

On Saturday, Julian Jessop, an independent economist, said that another lockdown could result in a fresh hit to GDP of at least 5%.

Lord Lamont, the former Chancellor, warned that repeatedly imposing draconian restrictions and then lifting them is “deeply damaging to business and is not really a strategy”.

Sir Graham Brady, Chairman of the 1922 committee of Tory backbenchers, whose Altringham and Sale West constituency in Manchester faces being placed in the highest tier of restrictions, said constant lockdowns or “circuit breakers” to suppress the virus would be “pointless”.

“If further restrictions on people’s lives are proposed, the Government has to set a clear end date and a strategy for returning life to normal,” Sir Graham said.

Amidst all these rumblings of discontent on the backbenches, a pollster with close links to Number 10 has warned that public opinion is turning.

James Frayne, who has previously carried out focus group research for the Government, warns of a looming shift in public opinion, against further lockdowns. He also accused the Government of “playing down the obvious economic risks associated with harsher measures”.

His warning came as a poll by ORB International found that just 10% of people believe the pandemic is under control in this country – a record low.

Mr Frayne, founding partner of the Public First policy research agency, states: “Opinion will shift fast with public realisation of the economic trauma set to befall us. Oddly, politicians have mostly kept this hidden from the public to date.

“But when Government reduces personal and business support – as they must – people will see the direct trade-offs being made: essentially, health versus living standards. In this new world, the key polling question will be: ‘are you happy to pay a lot more in tax and risk your job for a national lockdown?’ For most, the answer will be a resounding no.”

Mr Frayne suggests that Andy Burnham, the Mayor of Greater Manchester, has identified a shift in public mood, which is leading him to resist No 10’s attempts to move the city into Tier 3.

“The fact he has highlighted the relatively low growth of Covid cases there, as well as talking in stark terms about the economic damage Tier 3 would bring about, is a major step… If the Labour Party follows Burnham’s lead – not imminently likely, granted – the Government would be in a very vulnerable position politically.”

He adds: “If they are not careful, they are going to look like they are blasé about the lives of ordinary people across the country.”

Worth reading in full.

Stop Press: There’s a good piece in the Sunday Times documenting the deteriorating relationship between the Government and its scientific advisors.

“We’ve begun to hate the scientists,” said one Tory MP who has supported the Government on all the votes on restrictions. “You’ve got these guys on SAGE briefing journalists, going on the telly saying the PM must bring in a national lockdown. Why are they allowed to do that? You are either part of the team or you’re not. You can be an independent scientist and say what you like. You can’t be part of SAGE and go on telly saying they need to do this.”

Report From Yesterday’s Anti-Lockdown Protest

Yesterday’s anti-lockdown protest on Oxford Street

A reader has been in touch to tell us about his experiences on yesterday’s anti-lockdown demo in London. Not all “anti-vaxxers”, as the Evening Standard would have us believe.

I’d say around two to three thousand gathered at Speakers’ Corner. There was a bit of confusion initially between the two groups leading the event, with StandUpX wanting to head down Oxford Street, and Justice UK wanting to march directly to Downing Street. It had a bit of a Judean People’s Front vs the People’s Front of Judea feel about it. The two groups split, although the Oxford Street march probably attracted about 90% of us.

There were a lot of police and Community Liaison Officers on hand, but no sign of the more thuggish variety from the Territorial Support Group that brutalised the Trafalgar Square gathering. The police behaved very reasonably, walking us down Oxford Street and through Oxford Circus. The crowd, as with the Trafalgar Square rally, was peaceful and good natured. Several bus drivers obligingly sounded their horns in support. We got talking to various people as we walked along. One lady had lost her job recently and her savings were too big to get Universal Credit. Another said many of her neighbours had told her they would be at the march, but when she got to the station it was deserted.

Several marchers engaged with passers-by on Oxford Street, encouraging them to take off their masks. The numbers of – particularly younger – people wearing masks outside was thoroughly depressing. They stood, watched and photographed the protesters filing past. No doubt behind the masks they were open mouthed. We thought there was still quite a way to go to persuade people.

Eventually, the march turned up Rathbone Place and was stopped there by police. Lots of us wondered whether we were about to be kettled, so left. We popped in to a fairly busy pub and the remaining marchers passed by. There were some dismissive reactions from some in the pub. Three couples on the table next to us bellowed about the “nutters” and how there wasn’t “a mask among them”. It’s inconceivable that they were all part of one household, but will have lied about that. People pay lip service to the rules but don’t comply when it suits.

Later we came across a much depleted march near Covent Garden, which we re-joined for a short period before heading back to our hotel. Not sure where they ended up or whether they made it down Whitehall.

Who are the Real Heirs of John Snow in the Herd Immunity Debate?

John Snow, the founder of epidemiology

The scientific Establishment has come up with an answer to the Great Barrington Declaration which it has called the John Snow Memorandum, named after the 19th Century public health scientists thought to be the founder of epidemiology. But as we pointed out on Lockdown Sceptics a couple of days ago, John Snow was a maverick who refused to believe the consensus among the scientists of his day about the causes of infectious diseases and instead set about gathering empirical evidence like a proper scientist. And when he discovered the real cause of the Soho Cholera outbreak, he came up with a targeted intervention that stopped it in its tracks. In short, John Snow has much more in common with Martin Kulldorff, Sunetra Gupta and Jay Bhattacharya – the original authors of the GBD – than he does with the Establishment toadies who’ve signed the Memorandum.

The same point is made by Robert E Wright in an excellent post for the American Institute for Economic Research.

What the signatories of the John Snow Memorandum want you to think is that they are the John Snows of 2020, bravely following “the” science. But the fact is, the Lancet and signatories like Chelsea Clinton represent the Establishment, hellbent on maintaining current policies regardless of the mounds of evidence that lockdowns do not work to stop the spread and increase other forms of mortality. They gloss over the fact that Snow searched for a targeted intervention, not the lockdown of London.

Worth reading in full.

NHS Test and Trace Hands Over Data to Police

Just when you thought public trust in the Government couldn’t sink any lower, the Department of Health and Social Care has said information obtained by NHS Test and Trace about which individuals should be self-isolating will be shared with the police so they can ensure people are complying. Sky News has more.

The Department of Health and Social Care (DHSC) confirmed it had “agreed a memorandum of understanding with the National Police Chiefs Council (NPCC)” to provide forces with the information on a “case-by-case basis”.

In a statement, a spokesman told Sky News: “It is a legal requirement for people who have tested positive for COVID-19 and their close contacts to self-isolate when formally notified to do so.

“The DHSC has agreed a memorandum of understanding with the NPCC to enable police forces to have access on a case-by-case basis to information that enables them to know if a specific individual has been notified to self-isolate.

“The memorandum of understanding ensures that information is shared with appropriate safeguards and in accordance with the law. No testing or health data is shared in this process.”

I wonder how people will feel the next time they look at that NHS Covid app on their phones? As Alistair Haimes said on Twitter, the DHSC was very keen to tell us how many millions of people were downloading the app when it was rolled out a couple of weeks ago. Can they now start telling us how many millions have started deleting it?

Covid Cases in Manchester Not “Out of Control”

Prof Carl Heneghan and colleagues from the Centre for Evidence-Based Medicine have taken a deep dive into Greater Manchester’s Covid data in the Telegraph to see whether the city really does need to go into a Tier 3 lockdown.

The question on everyone’s mind is whether Covid is out of control in Manchester, or has Burnham got it right, and the Government should hold off?

First, let’s look at cases, which don’t seem to be out of control, and are, if anything, declining. They peaked on the September 30th with 596 cases and a seven-day average of 461. As of October 9th, the seven-day average has fallen from the peak by nearly 20% to an average of 374.

Nine out of the 10 Greater Manchester’s boroughs report recent increases in their Covid rates whereas Manchester’s are on the wane. But this further underpins the need to understand the context of what is actually happening.

The sweeping term “cases” hides a diverse typology of reality, apart from false positives. The only critical cases are those with serious symptoms (who may go on and be admitted to hospital) and those who are contagious (who may transmit the disease to others).

Suppose the increase is due to healthy student-age people. In that case the increase is unlikely to be reflected in either admissions or deaths, especially in the student age group, who play no part in national mortality statistics.

Contagious youngsters are unlikely to pass the pathogen on after a week from symptoms onset and if they continue to test positive with few or no symptoms, it’s likely because they are shedding pieces of dead viruses which have little or no public health significance.

Manchester University’s figures can help as the university keeps data on known positive cases among its staff and students. It includes those on and off-campus but does not indicate where someone might have contracted the virus.

These data also do not support further measures: cases peaked on the October 2nd – a spike driven by the return of over 70,000 students to the city – and have fallen significantly since. They are 75% less than what they were at the peak.

Hospital admissions may shed some light on the need for lockdown. Data from NHS England show the current seven-day average for admissions from the community is 12 a day to NHS Manchester University NHS Foundation Trust, up from an average of eight a day in the previous week.

But more telling are the data from weekly and monthly mandated Secondary Uses Service (SUS) repository for healthcare data in England.

These data show a dramatic reduction for respiratory condition admissions compared with what we would normally expect at this time of year.

In short, cases are falling and hospital admissions for respiratory conditions are falling.

Leave Andy Burnham alone, Prime Minister.

The Lost Children of Covid

More than 750,000 children were absent from school last week
IRINA POLONINA

According to the Sunday Times, 750,000 children were absent from school last week, giving an 89.9% attendance rate, compared with 95% last autumn. The truly alarming thing, however, is that many of these children will never return to school.

They are the lost children of Covid. Bright teenagers are dropping out of education to turn to crime, sometimes to feed their families. Teachers spend weeks waiting for promising pupils to return, only to realise they are not coming back.

Other children are being removed from school for home education or long stays abroad for fear of the virus.

Sophie, 16, one of four children in a single-parent family, lives in Walker, one of the most deprived parts of Newcastle upon Tyne. The teenager, whose mother was a nurse before having a family, won a scholarship to start this term at the Royal Grammar School, one of the city’s private schools. She is determined to go to university and become a doctor, but some of her friends from local schools are dropping out.

Boys she grew up with, “lads who dabbled in drugs before the pandemic”, are not in school. Some are drug dealers. “Kids my age feel helpless,” Sophie said. “Some of my friends went for the induction day at sixth-form college last month and never returned. The college is trying its hardest to get them back into class, but they are just like, ‘Nah, that’s it.’”

She added: “A lot of people I went to school with have got sucked into drug-dealing. I know of kids who did it slightly before the pandemic; now it’s all they do. So many people have been made redundant… their mums and dads… their least worry is whether their kid finishes a business course at college; they [the parents] are trying to get their own lives back on track.”

Yet more evidence of the terrible collateral damage done by the lockdown policy. Worth reading in full.

French Police Raid Homes of Government Ministers

Police in France have carried out dawn raids of the homes of the country’s former Prime Minister, current and former Health Ministers, and other senior officials, as part of an inquiry into the French Government’s cack-handed response to the coronavirus pandemic. The Independent has more.

COVID-19 patients, doctors, prison and police personnel and others in France have filed dozens of complaints in recent months, notably over shortages of masks and other equipment, prompting the Paris prosecutor to order an investigation.

The offices of Health Minister Olivier Veran, as well as the private addresses of former prime minister Edouard Philippe, Veran and his predecessor Agnès Buzyn, and Sibeth Ndiaye, ex-spokeswoman for President Emmanuel Macron, were searched on Thursday, the French health ministry has confirmed.

Geneviève Chêne, Director General of the French public health agency, as well as top health ministry official Jérôme Salomon, were also targeted in the police raids, which his department said were conducted “without any difficulties”.

A source close to Edouard Philippe, who remains Mayor of the port town of Le Havre in Normandy, told AFP that he “has always said that he was willing to put himself at the disposal of the authorities”. They said that the search was carried out “in a courteous manner and with the full cooperation of the mayor”.

Come on, Cressida Dick. What are you waiting for? Time to pay a visit to Matt Hancock’s London flat.

Round-Up

Theme Tunes Suggested by Readers

Two today: “This is Only Making Things Worse” by the Crosstown Rivalry and “Revolution” by Spacemen 3.

Love in the Time of Covid

We have created some Lockdown Sceptics Forums, including a dating forum called “Love in a Covid Climate” that has attracted a bit of attention. We have a team of moderators in place to remove spam and deal with the trolls, but sometimes it takes a little while so please bear with us. You have to register to use the Forums, but that should just be a one-time thing. Any problems, email the Lockdown Sceptics webmaster Ian Rons here.

Sharing stories: Some of you have asked how to link to particular stories on Lockdown Sceptics. The answer used to be to first click on “Latest News”, then click on the links that came up beside the headline of each story. But we’ve changed that so the link now comes up beside the headline whether you’ve clicked on “Latest News” or you’re just on the Lockdown Sceptics home page. Please do share the stories with your friends and on social media.

Woke Gobbledegook

We’ve decided to create a permanent slot down here for woke gobbledegook. Today it’s the turn of the Cornell University English Faculty which has just voted to change its name from “the English Department” to something more… inclusive. The Washington Times has more.

The English Department at Cornell University has voted to change its name in an effort to distinguish English the language from English the nationality.

The department at the Ivy League university in New York voted to change its name to “the Department of Literatures in English” during its first faculty meeting of the fall semester earlier this month, the student-led Cornell Daily Sun reported Wednesday.

The change would help to eliminate the “conflation of English as a language and English as a nationality,” English professor and Director of Undergraduate Studies Kate McCullough told the newspaper.

The proposal, co-written by English professor Carole Boyce-Davies, was spurred by the wave of racial and political unrest following the death of George Floyd in Minneapolis, Ms. Boyce-Davies told the Daily Sun.

“Faculty around the country – not just faculty of color, but faculty in general – began to look at the institution to see how we can help advance a discourse that challenges structural forms of racism which get reproduced in students and in teaching over and over again,” Ms. Boyce-Davies said.

“What surprised us was the fact that so many of the White faculty of the English department signed on – we were amazed,” she added. “By the time we were ready to officially take it to the department as a whole, we had over 75% of the faculty signed on.”

Ms. Boyce-Davies said English Professor and Department Chair Caroline Levine signed the proposal without hesitation.

Stop Press: The Taxpayers’ Alliance has discovered that the Government spent £416,644 on face-to-face courses teaching civil servants about unconscious bias within the last two years. The Telegraph has the story.

“Mask Exempt” Lanyards

A state advertisement in Germany giving the finger to anti-maskers

We’ve created a one-stop shop down here for people who want to buy (or make) a “Mask Exempt” lanyard/card. You can print out and laminate a fairly standard one for free here and it has the advantage of not explicitly claiming you have a disability. But if you have no qualms about that (or you are disabled), you can buy a lanyard from Amazon saying you do have a disability/medical exemption here (takes a while to arrive). The Government has instructions on how to download an official “Mask Exempt” notice to put on your phone here. You can get a “Hidden Disability” tag from ebay here and an “exempt” card with lanyard for just £1.99 from Etsy here. And, finally, if you feel obliged to wear a mask but want to signal your disapproval of having to do so, you can get a “sexy world” mask with the Swedish flag on it here.

Don’t forget to sign the petition on the UK Government’s petitions website calling for an end to mandatory face masks in shops here.

A reader has started a website that contains some useful guidance about how you can claim legal exemption.

And here’s a round-up of the scientific evidence on the effectiveness of mask (threadbare at best).

Stop Press: This is a very good critique of masks by Roger Koops on the American Institute for Economy Research blog.

Alarming Video: A reader sent this video, which he obtained form a source in the Irish police. It purports to show a group of Romanian riot police dragging passengers not wearing masks from an underground train and brutally assaulting them on the platform. Frightening stuff.

The Great Barrington Declaration

Professor Sunetra Gupta, Professor Martin Kulldorff and Professor Jay Bhattacharya – actual scientists, unlike Devi Sridhar

The Great Barrington Declaration, a petition started by Professor Martin Kulldorff, Professor Sunetra Gupta and Professor Jay Bhattacharya calling for a strategy of “Focused Protection” (protect the elderly and the vulnerable and let everyone else get on with life), was launched last week and the lockdown zealots have been doing their best to discredit it. If you Google it, the top hits you get include two smear pieces from the obscure Leftist conspiracy website Byline Times, and one from the Guardian headlined: “Herd immunity letter signed by fake experts including ‘Dr Johnny Bananas’.” (Freddie Sayers at UnHerd warned us about this hit job the day before it appeared.) On the bright side, Google UK has stopped shadow banning it, so the actual Declaration now shows up in the search results – and my Spectator piece about the attempt to suppress it is the top hit – although discussion of it has been censored by Reddit. The reason the zealots hate it, of course, is that it gives the lie to their claim that “the science” only supports their strategy. These three scientists are every bit as eminent – more eminent – than the pro-lockdown fanatics so expect no let up in the attacks. (Wikipedia has also done a smear job.)

You can find it here. Please sign it. Now has over half-a-million signatures.

Stop Press: The GBD is provoking a lot of debate, most of it poor, but occasionally quite good. Here is Tyler Cowen’s critique in Bloomberg. And here is David Henderson’s reply for the American Institute for Economic Research.

Judicial Reviews Against the Government

There are now so many JRs being brought against the Government and its ministers, we thought we’d include them all in one place down here.

First, there’s the Simon Dolan case. You can see all the latest updates and contribute to that cause here.

Then there’s the Robin Tilbrook case. You can read about that and contribute here.

Then there’s John’s Campaign which is focused specifically on care homes. Find out more about that here.

And last but not least there’s the Free Speech Union‘s challenge to Ofcom over its ‘coronavirus guidance’. You can read about that and make a donation here.

Stop Press: A Berlin court has suspended an order for bars and restaurants to close from 11pm to 6am. The Mail has the story.

Samaritans

If you are struggling to cope, please call Samaritans for free on 116 123 (UK and ROI), email jo@samaritans.org or visit the Samaritans website to find details of your nearest branch. Samaritans is available round the clock, every single day of the year, providing a safe place for anyone struggling to cope, whoever they are, however they feel, whatever life has done to them.

Shameless Begging Bit

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Special thanks to graphic designer and Lockdown Sceptics reader Claire Whitten for designing our new logo. We think it’s ace. Find her work here.

And Finally…

Andy Shaw, one of the co-hosts of Comedy Unleashed, has written a short piece for Lockdown Sceptics about his heroic efforts to put on live comedy at a pub in Bethnal Green in spite of all the ludicrous restrictions. I went last Tuesday and it was bloody marvellous. Well done to Andy for not letting the ongoing lockdown madness defeat him.

On Monday October 12th we re-opened Comedy Unleashed at the Backyard Comedy Club, East London. We had three fantastic nights. We worked closely with the venue and it took an enormous amount of organisation. We split one gig over three nights, with 1/3 of the usual audience; implemented social distancing without killing the atmosphere; found a way for people not to wear masks during the performance; the venue introduced a plethora of processes, from instructions to be included with ticketing information and a limit on the number of comedians allowed in the green room; the venue stocked up on beer and pizzas and introduced table service. The staff had to get everyone served in record time and were amazing. We had to increase the ticket price and still lost money. But we were back and it worked. On Thursday morning, the Tier 2 Covid measures were announced for London, which means that the audience size would have to be halved. The venue is now scrambling to work out if they can keep things going and they may have to lay off their staff (again) and pour the beer down the drain (again). Anyway, we recorded one of the nights and the comics had lots to say about the lockdown madness. (See highlights of Geoff Norcott’s performance.)

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Tom Blackburn
5 years ago

Lex iniusta non est lex

Ann
Ann
5 years ago
Reply to  Tom Blackburn

Does either maxim apply in Fascist Britain?

OKUK
OKUK
5 years ago
Reply to  Tom Blackburn

Primus inter pares

Tom Blackburn
5 years ago
Reply to  OKUK

It pays to be an insomniac.

This is how I imagine Tiger Woods felt with 11 yrs between Majors. Exactly the same.

Cristi.Neagu
5 years ago

Alarming Video: A reader sent this video, which he obtained form a source in the Irish police. It purports to show a group of Romanian riot police dragging passengers not wearing masks from an underground train and brutally assaulting them on the platform. Frightening stuff.

I can confirm that it is indeed Romania, in Bucharest. I don’t know the date of the video, though.

karenovirus
5 years ago
Reply to  Cristi.Neagu

‘Obtained from a source in the Irish police’ along with a note
“right lads this is the way that they want us to do it”.

Having visited Romania when it was still Communist I always like to talk to Romanians here. Several have confirmed that while nominally a democracy it remains essentially a police state run by gangster criminals instead of gangsters pretending to be Communists.

I asked one trainee Romanian Doctor why he was not training in Bucharest
“I don’t want to work in a place where patients expect me to need bribing just to give a correct diagnosis”.

Ann
Ann
5 years ago
Reply to  karenovirus

Rumania had a brutal dictator called Ceausescu.
They shot him.

LSceptic
LSceptic
5 years ago
Reply to  Ann

Eventually…after the USSR collapsed, which took decades and decades to happen.

Jonathan
Jonathan
5 years ago
Reply to  LSceptic

No, it was nearly two years before the Soviet Union collapsed. Also, the Soviets and him were none to fond of each other. That’s why we buttered him up with the Queen giving him an honourary knighthood.

Cristi.Neagu
5 years ago
Reply to  Ann

The same story repeats itself. You can see it with Brexit too. The dormant anger of the people is stoked up by some “well intentioned” individuals, selling them hope. And when the people rise, and make the change, it turns out that the change they made is not quite the change they were promised.
I was 1 year old when the Revolution happened, so i can’t claim i know anything about it as an eye witness. But i do know that the people were promised freedom, and they were cheated. Change did come, and it was for the better, i will not deny that. But we merely exchanged one yoke for another.
Well, at least it seems that way to me.

John P
John P
5 years ago
Reply to  karenovirus

One of my Scottish cousins lives in Romania and is married to a Romanian woman.

While I have no reason to doubt that the story of people being brutalised by riot police is true, I have not heard anything else bad about the country.

I’m sure my cousin wouldn’t live there if it was a terrible place to live.

Mark
5 years ago
Reply to  John P

Living in a corrupt authoritarian state is not necessarily terrible unless you cross the authorities or some petty authority figure, or the economy collapses. Of course, some people find themselves in that position through no fault of their own, but most people can find ways to live fine, most of the time. Keep your head down, conform, and do what you need to, to get by. Not unlike mask wearers here.

JHuntz
JHuntz
5 years ago
Reply to  Mark

Can confirm lived in China for 6 months without any bother whatsoever. Was well warned though not to discuss the regime in any environment.

Steven F
Steven F
5 years ago
Reply to  JHuntz

If you have to watch your back every second and beware of miscontrued words, it’s not really any kind of world I want to live in.

Anonymous
Anonymous
5 years ago
Reply to  John P

So….. how do you explain why you live in a country that beats peaceful protestors with truncheons and punches peacfully protesting women in the stomach? I mean…. I’m sure YOU wouldn’t live in a terrible place like that??

Assuming you’re UK-based….. you do. This is happening in London.

One bad story does not tarnish an entire country, nor does the virtue of one inhabitant absolve a country, nor does the past inform the present situation.

Which is, incidentally, Global Tyranny, because we’re all going to be slaves in the Great Reset if the masses don’t pull their fingers out of their assholes and point them at these psychopathic cunts.

Silke David
5 years ago
Reply to  Anonymous

Happened in Germany at the 29th August demo as well.

Steven F
Steven F
5 years ago
Reply to  Anonymous

Thanks TyLean, that about nails it.

Cristi.Neagu
5 years ago
Reply to  John P

Romania wasn’t that bad, at least from an authoritarian point of view. There was and still is a lot of corruption, that’s true. But if you were just an average Joe, going about your day, you won’t have any trouble. The police does commit abuses, but rarely violent ones. Mostly they’re looking for a little bribe here and there. It was the social life that has always been bad, with pickpockets and homeless people everywhere. And i know a lot of you might gasp at me pointing a finger at homeless people, but you don’t know the homeless of Romania. Whilst there are indeed a lot of unfortunate people that found themselves on the street, there are those that make a career of it. People running begging gangs of children. Washing windshields at traffic stops. I have heard of numerous cases of children being taken from the street, after living in sewers, being brought into children’s homes, given a bed, clothes, food, but still chose to run away and live on the street. But it’s been getting a lot better. 10 years ago it was almost impossible to get on public transport without seeing a fake blind or crippled person… Read more »

Cristi.Neagu
5 years ago
Reply to  karenovirus

Unfortunately, that is the case. Nothing gets done in Romania without bribes. And as with other parts of Europe (especially the European Union itself), whilst the political class pretended to have rebuked and destroyed communism, they still very much practice it to this day. Everyone in power has a long list of crimes behind them which is used as a leash to hold them in check. And when a new election comes along, the new party promises to bring the old party to justice for their crimes, but all they do is give them a slap on the writ and fall into the same practices. Until the next election comes along, and now they’re the ones being brought to justice. They’re all taking turns in sucking the country dry.

swedenborg
swedenborg
5 years ago
Reply to  Cristi.Neagu

The bizarre thing is that the whole action is for “the benefit of their survival”. These maskless individuals obviously did not think it was such a terrible threat. This is in essence the absurdity of the whole situation. “The welfare of humanity is always the alibi of tyrants.” —Albert Camus

Hill Street Bluez
Hill Street Bluez
5 years ago
Reply to  Cristi.Neagu

Purports being the get out clause. May be going blind but at least two of those thrown to the ground seemed to be wearing masks. Surely LS can do better than this?

Rosie
Rosie
5 years ago

 …. at least two of those thrown to the ground seemed to be wearing masks
Indeed, but so what ffs?

Hill Street Bluez
Hill Street Bluez
5 years ago
Reply to  Rosie

Erm.. perhaps the police were throwing people from the train for reasons other than their victims not wearing masks?

Hill Street Bluez
Hill Street Bluez
5 years ago

We know enough about over reaction by UK authorities to non compliant citizens without looking at dodgy footage from Romania….

Cristi.Neagu
5 years ago

I don’t know why those policemen were doing what they were doing. I only confirmed that it is Romania. It could be over masks, or maybe they were after something else. But if it was masks… let’s say you have your mask in your pocket, being defiant. And then you see police in riot gear storming the train. Will you not put it on and hope you weren’t seen? Not saying this is the case, but it is within the realm of possibility.

Richard Martin
Richard Martin
5 years ago
Reply to  Cristi.Neagu

The video in Romania was not related to mask wearing. These were rival football supporters arrested following reports that they were carrying weapons.

Ewan Duffy
5 years ago
Reply to  Cristi.Neagu

As Ireland doesn’t have an underground, I’m not sure what the “Irish police” could learn from such a video. Having said that, having been through the sham police complaints process in Ireland, I’m not sure that the Irish police are capable of learning.

Cristi.Neagu
5 years ago
Reply to  Ewan Duffy

But Ireland does have a public transport network, does it not?

sam
sam
5 years ago
Reply to  Cristi.Neagu
karenovirus
5 years ago

Sunday Times headline 18th Oct.

“If it’s a tireless Wally you want, Matt Hancock is the man”.

I thought it was just us who like gratuitously insulting door matt (h/t The Guardian )

Ann
Ann
5 years ago
Reply to  karenovirus

Gratuitously?

Arkansas
Arkansas
5 years ago
Reply to  Ann

In the sense of “free of charge”, perhaps.

karenovirus
5 years ago

Re Toby’s piece on Karol Sikora warning the government about lack of cancer care as early as April.
Without knowing any numbers it occured to me at the end of March that this would be the case when I heard that they had closed our major Oncology unit despite neither its staff or wards being given over to ICU.
As to his advice that the government should use the private sector they did commandeer the local Nuffield but didn’t use it.
Towards the end of lockdown they said they would use the Nightingale to deal with the cancer diagnosis and treatment backlog but have only done so in tiny numbers.

Rowan
Rowan
5 years ago
Reply to  karenovirus

Nightingales are for Covid -19 propaganda purposes only and cannot deal with cancer diagnosis and treatment. The suggestion that they could is simply more outlandish propaganda.

Steve
Steve
5 years ago
Reply to  Rowan

As far as I know, the NHS never managed to get the necessary staff to agree to man the Nightingales. I know the father of a nurse who was asked to work at the Nightingale in Harrogate at the height of the original lockdown. She would have been expected to live in an unserviced hotel room, away from her family, and the only financial compensation would have been her travel expenses (from Wakefield) and food from the hospital canteen. Not surprisingly, she didn’t find the offer attractive.

HelenaHancart
HelenaHancart
5 years ago

Blimey, I’m 4th! Morning everyone. Feeling kind of upbeat today despite earlier disagreeing (again!) with my neighbour who wants another total 6 week lockdown! Jeez, he wants me to agree with him and refuses to listen to any alternative opinion or research I’ve done. I didn’t even start the bloody argument! In fact I avoid talking about it with those who love lockdown – there’s no point, they know it all! However I did manage to get out some very choice facts backed with evidence that stalled them for a minute, and I felt I won a tiny part of the battle, not the whole battle, and certainly not the war but it’s a start. Have a good Sunday, everyone.

karenovirus
5 years ago
Reply to  HelenaHancart

Good morning Helena, 🌞
try referring your neighbour to the Mail online comments, specifically ‘worst voted’ on Covid articles. They are laughable in their Lockdown mania but always hugely down voted.

Bart Simpson
Bart Simpson
5 years ago
Reply to  HelenaHancart

Morning and well done!!! As they say “every little helps”

Adam
Adam
5 years ago
Reply to  HelenaHancart

Anyone who supports anymore illegal lockdowns are utter morons

The Walrus
The Walrus
5 years ago

“When the official inquiry begins into the unending series of cock-ups by the Government and the Civil Service, this document will be a smoking gun”

While I love what Toby is doing with Lockdown Sceptics and have utmost respect for him, I don’t agree at all that this is just a series of “cock-ups”. The Government aren’t just a bunch of incompetents, they know exactly what they are doing. It’s not some sort of benign neglect but something much more sinister than that. There will be no official inquiry – that’s just fanciful wishful thinking. This is intentional repression of the population and there will be no accountability unless people wake up and start demanding it. The “incompetence” narrative really bothers me.

karenovirus
5 years ago
Reply to  The Walrus

There will be some sort of enquiry but held by a tame judge following endless months bickering about terms of reference and taking about 15 years before giving outline conclusions.

The Covid might have been natural, accidental or deliberate but various interests have used it to further their agenda.
1. UK Nats. Deliberately adopting different lockdown measures just to be different.
2. The greens, delighted that the governments ludicrous quarantine measures for those returning from abroad means that most of us would not consider flying for the foreseeable future.
3. The New World Order crowd rebranding (h/t Basics) their facist fantasy as the Great Reset.
4. Big Business in all areas benefitting from the demise of their smaller rivals and challengers as a direct result of johnson’s diktats.
5. Lazy idle people who have found that working from home is just fine.

None of these groups want the Covid to end any time soon and neither do self important government advisers, medics or the press.

Feel free to add those I have forgotten.

karenovirus
5 years ago
Reply to  karenovirus

6. The anti-Alcohol crowd determined to wreck the licenced trade using lockdown to do it.
They will be after the home drinkers next.

Bumble
Bumble
5 years ago
Reply to  karenovirus

Interesting that when a Labour MP posted a photo of crowds waiting to get into Tesco for booze at 10pm, the replies all said Ban booze sales. One holier than though post suggested banning alcohol altogether. Prohibition here we come.

karenovirus
5 years ago
Reply to  Bumble

It’s already happened in South Africa and elsewhere.

grammarschoolman
grammarschoolman
5 years ago
Reply to  karenovirus

6 = 1, as the Scottish response has reportedly been driven by ant-alcohol campaigners within the SNP, including an Indian lady who graces this very page quite a lot.

Alan P
Alan P
5 years ago
Reply to  karenovirus

Pharmaceuticals with their shareholders in Sage, Government, Political parties. All invested in vaccines, face masks and other medical products.

Bumble
Bumble
5 years ago
Reply to  Alan P

The pharmaceutical industry is the perfect replacement for military-industrial complex. Force feeding vaccines and drugs is much cleaner than starting wars.

Rowan
Rowan
5 years ago
Reply to  Bumble

And vaccines will be much more deadly. This is the depopulationists big moment and they’ve been working towards it for the past 100 years. They are not going to let this hard-won opportunity pass them by.

PastImperfect
5 years ago
Reply to  karenovirus

Bill Gates, Rockerfella, Rothschild, &Co, plus all those with vested interests in forcing some unnecessary, probably dangerous vaccines on us all.

Rowan
Rowan
5 years ago
Reply to  PastImperfect

There are many others as well and we mustn’t leave out Boris Johnson.

Linda Bennett
Linda Bennett
5 years ago
Reply to  karenovirus

I agree with everything you have said…. Johnson has walked into a trap he cannot get out of — The opposition must be laughing their heads off..
I will never again vote for the conservatives.. Johnson not up to the job of leading, The health secretary Matt Hancock is an embarrassment by any standards, anywhere…I might as well have a stick of Brighton Rock instead of my local MP —

rms
rms
5 years ago
Reply to  Linda Bennett

Doesn’t it say something about the opposition who is playing politics and seeming to not help the country get out of this?

Rowan
Rowan
5 years ago
Reply to  rms

Starmer is simply part of the plot.

Mars-in-Aries
Mars-in-Aries
5 years ago
Reply to  The Walrus

Don’t expect in guiding malignant plan with George Soros or Bill Gates attempting to take over the world. That is for those who really have lost touch with reality. But it is not incompetence as such either. Rather, that there is a certain naivety that various groups and bodies should behave and think as we expect they should. Take teachers for example. If you were a teacher and the Government is paying you to sit at home doing nothing, why would you expose yourself to even the smallest risk by going back to work? Ditto the other 400,000 or so civil servants in this country. Why should they incur even the smallest risk when they are being paid to stay at home? It makes no sense for them to be anything other than an enthusiastic lockdowner. Take the SAGE committee for example. They are people who make a hansom living sitting on important committees, and the most important thing for people like these is their reputation, not the work they do on any particular committee. Their reputation would be shattered beyond repair if they under-played the risk and it was perceived that people died because the measures they recommended were… Read more »

Bart Simpson
Bart Simpson
5 years ago
Reply to  Mars-in-Aries

Rather, that there is a certain naivety that various groups and bodies should behave and think as we expect they should. Take teachers for example. If you were a teacher and the Government is paying you to sit at home doing nothing, why would you expose yourself to even the smallest risk by going back to work? Ditto the other 400,000 or so civil servants in this country. Why should they incur even the smallest risk when they are being paid to stay at home? It makes no sense for them to be anything other than an enthusiastic lockdowner.

Don’t forget as well that their pay won’t be frozen or cut unlike their hapless counterparts in the private sector. Not to mention that many of them will retire with good pension schemes. Given that they’ve been living the life of Riley especially during the last few months, why indeed would they be against lockdown?

Judith Day
5 years ago
Reply to  Bart Simpson

If one was a teacher in a ‘bog-standard comprehensive’ it would not be the health risk that would make one an enthusiastic lockdowner; it would be sheer gratitude that one did not have to go in and attempt to teach the sort of pupils that make life hell!

Rowan
Rowan
5 years ago
Reply to  Bart Simpson

In time they may see the glaring error of their ways, but probably much too late to do anything about it.

Jonathan Palmer
Jonathan Palmer
5 years ago
Reply to  Mars-in-Aries

It’s not even up for debate that Bill Gates is heavily involved in all this.
5 minutes on the internet and you can establish a monetary connection with most of the main players involved in this.As for Soros a little more digging and you will find his name in a lot of the destabilising elements that have afflicted us in the last few years.
That being said I agree with your point on the teachers.Most are lazy and have loved the lockdown.I disagree on Sage.Before lockdown they were quite sensible and reasoned.Now they are the biggest lockdown fanatics.WHY?

John P
John P
5 years ago

You think the government needs his money?

Posted last night:

I am beginning to form the opinion that if and when this horror show is all over, the UK (state) security services’ (77th Brigade) greatest achievement will have been in convincing a large number of sceptics that the lockdowns were nothing to do with the British government.

That Boris Johnson was not the country’s main protagonist and architect of Britain’s catastrophic lockdowns, but instead that he was simply an innocent victim of unseen and unknown dark forces abroad. And Bill Gates.

They must be finding all of this very amusing.

Jonathan Palmer
Jonathan Palmer
5 years ago
Reply to  John P

You keep pushing this nonsense.I say it again for you.Johnson is guilty.Hancock is guilty.Cummins is guilty.I would like to see them all hung by the neck until dead.Is that clear enough for you.
Gates is involved in this in a big way.Ferguson,Fachi.Whitty WHO Gavvi are all connected to him.

John P
John P
5 years ago

It is you who are pushing the nonsense!

Gates is not the person making the decisions.

I do not like Gates.

But he does not run the world. Governments are in charge. Not him.

I’ve seen a photo about of Gates with Hancock. That doesn’t prove anything other than that they met.

If you have actual evidence, for example paperwork – minutes of meetings where Gates is seen to be giving orders and government ministers are seen to be taking them, then – and only then – will I consider believing this.

PastImperfect
5 years ago
Reply to  John P

Bill Gates has “invested” in the media.

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Rowan
Rowan
5 years ago
Reply to  PastImperfect

Including the vaccine loving BBC and Guardian.

PastImperfect
5 years ago
Reply to  John P

Some of Mr Gates’ influence.

Gates' Influence.JPG
Jonathan Palmer
Jonathan Palmer
5 years ago
Reply to  John P

I never said Bill Gates runs the world but you have to agree that on the balance of probabilities he is involved and you have set an impossible bar of evidence.i wasn’t present at these meetings and I doubt there were any minutes.
Look at the evidence.He is connected to all the main players.He run event 201 a pandemic modelling exercise in Oct 2019.All the responses fits his favourite hobby horses vaccine and digital identity.He is also treated as a expert on many MSM shows despite having no medical training.
I doubt we will ever have proof but in a police enquiry he would be described as a person of interest.
And I say it again this in no way takes any blame away from Johnson and his junta.

Rowan
Rowan
5 years ago
Reply to  John P

You have been rather harshly marked down and likely by 77th brigade, which stalks these pages. The buck stops with Johnson though and this almighty mess is his and he should pay the highest price. Personally I have little doubt that Johnson is working to an external agenda, but that doesn’t really matter, as the UK buck stops with him and he must be brought to account for the massive and possibly irreversible damage he has needlessly inflicted upon this country. The punishments for Johnson and his cronies need to be be very severe, as this must never be allowed to happen again.

PastImperfect
5 years ago

I believe I read on this site that 32 of 34 Sage members were in some way in debt to Gill Gates.

Jonathan Palmer
Jonathan Palmer
5 years ago
Reply to  PastImperfect

it’s a leap of faith to believe that one of the most ruthless business men in the world suddenly wants to use that wealth for the good of humanity.
This has never felt right from the start.

Rowan
Rowan
5 years ago

Well yes, but somehow the masses just can’t see it.

Deirdre Trotman
Deirdre Trotman
5 years ago
Reply to  Mars-in-Aries

G’By their friends shall he know them’
Minister for Digital, Matt Hancock addresses the all Party Parliamentary Group on the 4th Industrial Revolution alongside Professor Klaus Schwarb of the World Economic Forum, upon whom he heaps fulsome praise. 16th October, 2017. A read of the speech can be found on the Government website. And is illuminating.

Steve-Devon
5 years ago
Reply to  The Walrus

‘The Government aren’t just a bunch of incompetents, they know exactly what they are doing.’ I might take some persuading on that one. The frightening thing is that someone knows what they are doing but I am rather of the view that our Government itself does not have a clue. I am not sure it is one disturbing group, I have worries about China’s role in all this hoo-haa.

karenovirus
5 years ago
Reply to  Steve-Devon

Chinas role in all this hoo-haa has been there for decades. Using their pliant population as lab rats for developing the Social Credit model which is now ready to be rolled out upon the West.

Rowan
Rowan
5 years ago
Reply to  Steve-Devon

China is a player, but it is Bill Gates who heads up the globalist depopulation agenda. That’s a fact, whether or not you are persuaded of it.

Ovis
5 years ago
Reply to  The Walrus

Incompetence as such has never been an adequate explanation. I think the most parsimonious (least conspiracy theorist) view would be that the decision to lock down was ruthless tactical politics, with no credible regard for costs and benefits to the country. Thereafter this has been back-covering, not just for the Johnson regime but for much of the state as a whole, given the depth and breadth of complicity.

Incompetence won’t work as an explanation.

However, I think there is an argument to be made that the modern British state does have a serious structural problem, which has been revealed by Covid, and which the state as a whole does not want to address. The problem is that British institutions now work on a control and compliance model. Even where checks and balances formally exist, in practice they have been tamed. Actual decision making takes place among a tiny number of people, with opaque processes and no statement of criteria or priorities. In any but the most normal circumstances, decisions are going to be crap, and then complied with throughout the system.

David Grimbleby
David Grimbleby
5 years ago
Reply to  Ovis

UK Column decronstructs this forensically every week.

Stefarm
Stefarm
5 years ago

Common purpose

Rowan
Rowan
5 years ago

And very well at that.

2 pence
2 pence
5 years ago
Reply to  Ovis

“Governments do not govern,
but merely control the machinery of government,
being themselves controlled by the hidden hand.”

Benjamin Disraeli

Binra
5 years ago
Reply to  2 pence

The thing here is not whether independent autonomy actually exists – because despite the pathogen theory, terrain is the determiner of the organism and no cell is an island – but whether the hidden hand is that of masked malice set over deeper masking of self-lack set in shame, envy and drive to GET for such self, or whether a symbiotic alignment of self-interest serves both self and whole at the same time – or as synchronous.

The reaction to a malicious despot is likely to be made in its image – but masking in righteousness claimed from grievance. The abused, take on the modelling or demonstration of their abusers, not least under a blind emotion reaction to the opposite polarity, or to effect every kind of righteous or virtuous rule such that ‘it never happens again’ where the very structures carry blindly the psychic-emotional conflict they were supposed to eradicate.

Masking can be an armoured lid that sets a no-go area that is no less active for being hidden from a surface set in wish to escape the hate and hurt.

David McCluskey
David McCluskey
5 years ago
Reply to  Binra

Can I humbly suggest that you post this again as a stand-alone comment as that would ensure a wider audience.

Alethea
Alethea
5 years ago
Reply to  Binra

I agree with David – post this again as a stand-alone comment. It’s very thoughtful and interesting. It offers ways of beginning to think more effectively about why mask-wearers are so attached to their masks and so impervious both to reason and to manifestations of non-maskers’ horror and distress.

stewart
stewart
5 years ago
Reply to  The Walrus

Those who believe there is malicious intent at play with all this crisis are overlooking an important point.

There are many, many people who think more government control is a good thing. Far from seeing it as a threat they view measures, track and trace, rules, surveillance as things that will keep them safe. They equate these things with a more civilised society because it requires individuals chipping in for the common good.

In short, people want to be “repressed” especially when they consider themselves to be under threat.

In my view governments are pretty much doing what the people want from them.

We think most people are like those of us on here and care profoundly about civil liberties and freedom of speech. They don’t. Most people care about being safe and comfortable way above anything else.

That’s why this madness will only end if there is a proper economic collapse and enough people’s safety and comfort is compromised.

Alan P
Alan P
5 years ago
Reply to  stewart

I hate “safe”. Every time I hear that word I want to punch the person uttering that pathetic trope.

Binra
5 years ago
Reply to  Alan P

Yes but that would not be safe for them or for you.

The revulsion is to the lie.
There is something true in the movement to help, serve or protect life, and the deceit of pretending to a ‘paramount concern for safety’ is an outright lie.

However, those who hide behind it are hijacked by fear of threat or pain of loss to themselves and replicate the threat set in deceit as their personal safety, rather than not comply and be marked out and cancelled.

However, when PPP.gov.uk say they are going to make us safe, this has an element of truth revealed, for while we have consciousness and choice, we are risks of infection to the captive revenue stream of a branded and managed mindshare.

Binra
5 years ago
Reply to  stewart

There are many, many people who think that what operates their mind is thinking…. Freedom from thinking is a masking persona or identity bubble.
So yes but the underlying pattern of this substitution for thinking is fear of exposure to self-lack and inadequacy – aligned with the masking narrative that seems to have more power to hide in.

Rosie
Rosie
5 years ago
Reply to  Binra

underlying pattern of this substitution for thinking is fear of exposure to self-lack and inadequacy – aligned with the masking narrative that seems to have more power to hide in.
Thanks – very perceptive Binra

David McCluskey
David McCluskey
5 years ago
Reply to  Binra

Well put. I had not considered that insight. Perhaps none of us truly wants freedom: we are like the long-term convict being released from prison who fears freedom because they”ll have to start to think for themselves.

Jonathan Palmer
Jonathan Palmer
5 years ago

Loving Big brother is a popular option at the moment

Alethea
Alethea
5 years ago
Reply to  Binra

Lovely lucid thinking, Binra. Super helpful. Like a cool hand on a hot forehead.

Mark
Mark
5 years ago
Reply to  stewart

You have to bear in mind that this broad support is largely driven by fear propaganda from the MSM. I have been much saddened to see how effective it has been on friends who previously seemed quite sensible and independent-minded.

And when people are afraid, they cannot think logically any more. They certainly cannot make a realistic assessment of risks.

But you are right about the economy. The “fourth industrial revolution” will bring about economic misery and it is most likely this that will collapse the incipient New Order as discontent mounts.

It is important to remember that economic problems, rather than lack of freedom, were what finally did for the old USSR.

Deirdre Trotman
Deirdre Trotman
5 years ago
Reply to  Mark

And Matt Hancock is a great fan of the architect thereof.

Bella Donna
5 years ago
Reply to  The Walrus

They have a cunning plan!

LSceptic
LSceptic
5 years ago
Reply to  The Walrus

There’ll be no inquiry. This has all been pre-planned and everything predicted. https://www.spectator.com.au/2020/10/dangerous-elites-planning-the-great-reset/ Spectator Australia magazine: “Dangerous elites planning ‘the Great Reset’ Davos 2021 will launch its own Green New Deal. Be afraid. A lasting side-effect of Covid-19 is the universal growth of state power. Despite global death rates peaking last April and immunity building even without a vaccine, authoritarian leaders are clinging to their recently acquired powers. No doubt they view individual freedom as an optional extra not an inalienable right and want their new powers to become a normal part of governing. The Victorian government is legislating to that effect. The response to Covid follows closely the approach taken by global warming activists. But as Prince Charles puts it, ‘The threat of climate-change has been more gradual (than the pandemic) — but its devastating reality for many people and their livelihoods around the world, and its ever greater potential to disrupt, surpasses even that of Covid-19’. He argues we have ‘a golden opportunity to seize something good from the crisis’. The World Economic Forum, a Geneva-based non-profit foundation whose ranks include Prince Charles and other climate change crusaders like Al Gore and Greta Thunberg, together with the secretary… Read more »

LSceptic
LSceptic
5 years ago
Reply to  LSceptic

I’ve removed a couple of paragraphs because it would be too long to post. Read the original article via the link.

Rowan
Rowan
5 years ago
Reply to  LSceptic

MPs are like the proverbial turkeys who keep voting for an early Christmas.

Mark
Mark
5 years ago
Reply to  The Walrus

Think of these “cock-ups” as a scatter of points on a graph.

On their own they might seem random and chaotic, but taken together they show a very distinct trend that points in one direction only.

And that direction is towards a sinister globalist New Order, with a shrunken “green” economy and medical martial law. Another commentator has called it “biofascism” and he is probably not far off the mark.

I’m afraid the idea that this will all be duly cleared up at a public inquiry, just like the end of a “Scooby doo” episode, is just wishful thinking. Unless people say no and mean it, this country is heading for a very dark place.

Rosie
Rosie
5 years ago
Reply to  Mark

Think of these “cock-ups” as a scatter of points on a graph.
On their own they might seem random and chaotic, but taken together they show a very distinct trend that points in one direction only.
Thanks – well explained.

Mark
5 years ago
Reply to  Mark

And that direction is towards a sinister globalist New Order, with a shrunken “green” economy and medical martial law. “

This looks like mostly fantasy, or at the least gross overstatement.

Clearly there is general elite support for green nonsense, which will necessarily shrink economies as it imposes extra costs, and for internationalism, which will continue the technology-driven trend towards global government. But this is not the kind of organised scheme your words imply.

Rowan
Rowan
5 years ago
Reply to  Mark

Excellent summary, The cock up theory was dead by early April and it’s hard to believe that there are still those who cling to this nonsense.

Mark
5 years ago
Reply to  The Walrus

“The Government aren’t just a bunch of incompetents, they know exactly what they are doing.” This seems to contradict everything we should have learned about big government over centuries – it is exactly that: incompetence. It’s not that these are necessarily stupid people, as individuals or as narrowly political animals. They can be quite clever indvidually in many situations. But they are not necessarily sensible or strong, and they are functionally stupid when they get to the senior positions they are in, overwhelmed by the complexities involved, especially when their reason is overwhelmed by fear, either of the disease or of getting the blame for its consequences. Human beings are not competent to run huge nations, and when they try to do so they become functionally incompetent. Success is generally a matter of relative success against other similar human organisations that are even worse run, throwing massive resources at problems to achieve results, with huge waste and collateral damage.. “It’s not some sort of benign neglect but something much more sinister than that. There will be no official inquiry – that’s just fanciful wishful thinking.” Of course there will be official enquiries, probably several. Just as with the Iraq War,… Read more »

DJ Dod
DJ Dod
5 years ago
Reply to  The Walrus

Every time a Government minister appears on television I’m more convinced of their incompetence.

Rowan
Rowan
5 years ago
Reply to  DJ Dod

Incompetence is a cop out. And was it just coincidence that the incompetence was repeated across virtually the whole world in lockstep. Incompetence seems to be a lot more infectious than Covid-19.

Jonathan Palmer
Jonathan Palmer
5 years ago
Reply to  Rowan

That swings it for me.If it was just our government then I would agree.Government incompetence has a long history but nearly every western government using exactly the same policies to counter an almost unimportant threat and to continue in those policies when the threat has diminished.To ignore the massive economic damage while continuing to exaggerate the threat.
If they are incompetent why are they installing a police state on the back of this at a enormous cost.
Also the shadow powers are confident enough now to show us their hand,they are not hiding it anymore.

A leaf
A leaf
5 years ago
Reply to  The Walrus

Yes, yessssss !! (Fast and enthusiastic clapping)

Nobody2021
5 years ago

A common argument against a herd immunity approach is that it would lead to too many deaths. Such arguments are usually accompanied with rudimentary calculations based on a simple 60% of people infected multiplied by the IFR to give some large unacceptable number.

The counter argument to an immunity approach is to wait for a vaccine.

As luck would have it we have real world data from which we can see just what a vaccine strategy would look like and that is of course for the flu vaccine.

A cursory search suggests a flu vaccine has been around since at least the 1950s, it’s not important to be overly precise on the exact details here, and an estimated 500k deaths a year worldwide from flu (give or take).

So equally rudimentary calculations for 70 years of 500k deaths gives me 35M deaths since the advent of a flu vaccine. This is what a vaccine strategy looks like and there’s not even an attempt to eradicate the flu.

I forgot to mention that none of the calculations for herd immunity take into account any existing immunity that would build up anyway regardless of strategy.

Ceriain
5 years ago
Reply to  Nobody2021

Good points.

One of the things that really anooys me about the likes of Hancock and his ilk is that none of them want to admit/mention that the doctors have learned a lot about this virus and how to treat it (much fewer deaths now).

They also don’t want to admit that the public know what would be expected of them, and I think would respect distancing for the elderly and vulnerable for those who chose to “self shield™”

djaustin
djaustin
5 years ago
Reply to  Ceriain

much fewer deaths now

Sadly not as big an effect as you might think. ICNARC have published data now showing that 28-day critical care hospital survival has improved from 61% to 73%, most likely due to the use of dexamethasone and less aggressive ventilation practices.

Julian
5 years ago
Reply to  djaustin

Incremental improvements over a long period would be the norm with treatments wouldn’t it? With perhaps some leaps forward from time to time. It would be lovely to cure all disease and abolish death, but it’s not realistic – time for the public mindset to get used to COVID being around and part of the mix.

That doesn’t seem like a bad improvement in such a short space of time.

Stephen Jones
5 years ago
Reply to  Julian

20% for those who were critically ill already on admission.

Binra
5 years ago
Reply to  Nobody2021

Yes. Not flu death stats are also NOT autopsied/postmortem science but a very loose and subjective designation for end of life complications that are commonly associated with another infection – including respiratory disease. Stats are thus subject to being doctored or massaged so as to manage perceptions – and that is the phrase in all of this mind-control or ‘post truth’ politic set in the Big Lie. Invested identity in trusted science, becomes a captured revenue stream or in covid’s terms, proxy community support for state terrorism. The billions already spent on ‘vaccines’ are taxpayer debt to be leveraged on the living, but the billions being made in ‘market trading’ are not my sphere of knowledge excepting to know that the ability to run a scam on false premises that never were going to come to fruit is a known history within any ‘gold rush’ hysteria. As for the Gated umbrella of R&D, we already have a political control operating in lockstep with a vast disparity of wealth and its leverage as indebted governments, corporations institutions and people. Under rigged systemic controls of expansion and choking of funds, energy, regulatory protections or denials, the operation of individual self-interest can be… Read more »

Cheshirecatslave
Cheshirecatslave
5 years ago
Reply to  Nobody2021

I think the virus has already “let rip”. Suppression measures only delay it. It will run its course whatever is done so why do they take our happiness and freedom for nothing?

Ceriain
5 years ago

Hey Toby,

Any chance you could persuade Carl Heneghan to look at London, like he did Manchester.

London’s figures are even lower than Manchester’s (7-day Deaths (by death date) average is only 4, in a population of 9.3 million), yet our glorious mayor is still murmuring about Tier 3 and circuit breakers.

Bart Simpson
Bart Simpson
5 years ago
Reply to  Ceriain

Good idea. The funny thing about Khan is he agitates for more restrictions then later turns around and wails that they’re going to hurt hospitality. So he demands for more money.

He has been useless throughout and should resign.

Binra
5 years ago
Reply to  Bart Simpson

Cancer tumours grow new blood supply networks to divert from those serving the body as a whole. ‘Useless’ is relative to whether you are invested in the tumour of conflict-driven control, or aligned in the whole as the good of all.

Burnham is playing the same role. ‘Strong cities’ or whatever fronting organisations are funded, recruited and set into operation as the result of the paranoia of predictive programming. Transfer of life support from the whole to the essential services, as if a fight-flight mentality is capable of wise or just governance, even through A.I algorithms of a realtime 5g track and trace everything surveillance and enforcement system.

Opinions as to what Khan or any other controlled asset should do are our own private entertainment or diversion. I am not defending the muppets!

Ceriain
5 years ago

Judy, the offical ‘results’ page here: https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/deaths has the description:

Number of deaths of people who had had a positive test result for COVID-19 and died within 28 days of the first positive test. Data from the four nations are not directly comparable as methodologies and
inclusion criteria vary.

It used to look like the image below.

Spot the difference?

They don’t want us to know how people actually died.

Lies.jpg
Ceriain
5 years ago
Reply to  Tom Blackburn

Poor man. I think sadly that he won’t be the last grieving father by the end of this. 🙁

Johnson, Hancock et al; blood on their hands.

Ann
Ann
5 years ago
Reply to  Ceriain

It will be required of them, to the last drop.
I suppose they don’t realise how the evidence -solid, detailed, irrefutable -piles up against them, day by day?
No wonder they don’t want this ever to end.
But it will. And we must make absolutely sure that evidence is not destroyed. As Nazi Germany collapsed, the murderers made frantic efforts to destroy the evidence, but there was too much of it. On paper.
I think we should start printing things out.

Basileus
5 years ago
Reply to  Ann

I have a large archive dating back to March. Not printed: PDF.

Ann
Ann
5 years ago
Reply to  Basileus

Good fir you, hang on to it.
Written evidence nailed even Goering in the end, and he was a slippery fat bastard …
Like … who else?

MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG
Reply to  Basileus

So have we. Printed. MW

karenovirus
5 years ago
Reply to  Tom Blackburn

Throughout lockdown Local Live (mirror group news) online have steadily dripped similar stories, sometimes two or three a day
“a man was pronounced dead at X, Police confirm that it is not regarded as suspicious”.
Never are the words Covid or suicide used ( so they won’t appear in Google searches for same) but are curiously often accompanied by ads for the Samaritans.

Mark H
Mark H
5 years ago
Reply to  Tom Blackburn

That’s horrific. The almost casual dismissal of his death with the claim “phew, wasn’t a COVID-19 death. Nothing to see here” is awful.

BeBopRockSteady
5 years ago
Reply to  Tom Blackburn

The tweet he refers to is removed. What was it saying?

Ceriain
5 years ago

LMAO!

Yes, have to stop that handshaking, too.

Here’s an idea…

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Ann
Ann
5 years ago
Reply to  Ceriain

Hell no, the zombies would take it seriously. Anyway, isn’t the Nazi salute more suitable?

Jonathan Palmer
Jonathan Palmer
5 years ago
Reply to  Ann

The Nazis copied it from the Italian fascists who had copied it from Ancient Rome.

Stefarm
Stefarm
5 years ago
Reply to  Ceriain

Incredible isn’t it, shaking hands is now a thing of the past. I was watching the dick head footballers yesterday, hugging and back slapping after sweating over each other and kicking each other up in the air for 90 minutes, forgetting themselves and remembering to do the disgusting fist bump. What utter bullshit.

Alan P
Alan P
5 years ago
Reply to  Stefarm

I watched the rugby Heineken challenge cup final. I pissed myself when a player was subbed and when he returned to the stand he put a face nappy on!

Follow the science folks!

Stefarm
Stefarm
5 years ago
Reply to  Alan P

Utter dog dirt ain’t it. ITV racing was ramping up the brainwashing yesterday, the disgusting pundit Matt Chapman was wearing a disgusting union jack gimp mask to interview the winning jockies, amazing to watch as they take their mask down to race and as soon as the camera is on them they are abviously under instruction to pull it up, then spend more time fiddling with it then actually talking.

At one point Chapman was speaking to camera wearing it, I’ve never seen anything so ridiculous in my life.

Angryphon of Tunbridge Wells
Angryphon of Tunbridge Wells
5 years ago

Couldn’t help commenting on the tik toc pic.As a student Nurse back in the 80s in a Hellish asylum I discovered a patient hanging in a toilet.After my shift I got my camcorder out and busted moves whilst clapping .What a Hero I was!
Piss boiling banality.For the record I’m still Nursing and having regular assaults on my oral and nasal cavities against my better judgement so I can provide for my family.

Ann
Ann
5 years ago

From DM comments on the disgusting GP Zoom story:

“Yep. I’ve known this. Also GPs asking unqualified staff to examine a patient to decide if they are end of life, via Zoom. The public would be shocked by what I have witnessed during Covid. It’s an absolute scandal.”

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8850733/Coronavirus-UK-Doctors-ask-grieving-families-confirm-relatives-deaths-ZOOM.html#comments

My italics.
Every time you think the coronagoons can sink no lower, they do.

p02099003
p02099003
5 years ago
Reply to  Ann

This has been happening throughout. One GP told a community midwife about this, saying if the person with the deceased was able to check for pulse then they would use that to certify death.

JudgeMental
JudgeMental
5 years ago

Just keep it going until our face saving vaccine is rolled out. And what a bonus for the pharma industry. We now have the latest genetic vaccine biotech finally approved for human use.

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/news/hope-for-covid-vaccine-at-new-year-25b52b86s

some quotes from this article:

The NHS is preparing to introduce a coronavirus vaccine soon after Christmas. Trials have shown it will cut infections and save lives, Jonathan Van-Tam, the deputy chief medical officer, has privately revealed.

The government changed the law this weekend to expand the number of health professionals able to inoculate the public. The regulations will enable pharmacists, dentists, midwives and paramedics to administer jabs.

An MP who attended another briefing with Van-Tam said he was “very bullish about the third stage AstraZeneca results, which he expects between the end of this month and the end of next”. The MP said: “Van-Tam expects it to protect the elderly and vulnerable. He gave us to understand that it stopped the virus ‘shedding’ in the young. He said he would expect vaccination to start in January.”
Boris Johnson warned last week that there might never be a vaccine, but insiders say he did so because the government does not want to “overpromise and underdeliver”.

Ann
Ann
5 years ago
Reply to  JudgeMental

University students will be herded into the infernal machine for sure.

Cheezilla
Cheezilla
5 years ago
Reply to  JudgeMental

Stops the virus shedding in the young.

WTF????????

Ann
Ann
5 years ago

Peter Hitchens wields his cudgel yet again, with an agonising story. One of so many, alas, alas.

https://hitchensblog.mailonsunday.co.uk/

Ann
Ann
5 years ago

Take a photo of the butch, and of all other snitch bitches. (I presume they take off their gob nappies to eat?) Record their nasty whining voices to ensure they can be recognised.
Keep the evidence until we reclaim our lives.
Then hand them over for head-shaving.

Keep it up, my heroine.You are an inspiration to us all.

Rowan
Rowan
5 years ago
Reply to  Ann

And after the head shaving……….

Emily Tock
Emily Tock
5 years ago

Aw, come on, sure they’re codding you?

Rene F
Rene F
5 years ago

New Zealand has recorded their first case in 3 weeks, after their election.

Now they have to beat it for a THIRD time!

Ann
Ann
5 years ago
Reply to  Rene F

Nice of it to wait until after the election.

swedenborg
swedenborg
5 years ago
Reply to  Rene F

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/covid-19-coronavirus-new-community-case-ashley-bloomfield/SL54X7ZL4DW2SCU2VKZ7J2DR2I/

After St Jacinda’s astounding victory something to think about. A new community case in NZ.A man who went to work on a ship in a port. He used gloves and masks.NZ now say that he has been taken to isolation camp and the rigorous contact tracing is going ahead. The whole thing shows how effective the system is in NZ. What about stopping all ships entering NZ?

Stuart
Stuart
5 years ago

Burnham was of course a candidate for the Labour leadership but lost to Corbyn.

Starmer was side-kick, minion and sycophant to Corbyn for some years. This, together with his membership of the Trilateral Commission, makes him an eager advocate of the Great Reset and the destruction of the economy; and a natural ally of Boris Johnson.

Tim Bidie
Tim Bidie
5 years ago

Some gems from NHS ‘COMMUNICATING ABOUT RISKS TO PUBLIC HEALTH: Pointers to Good Practice’

‘……sometimes even the highest pedigree assumptions turn out to be mistaken, and there is often a need to look at non-orthodox views. The argument is not that all views should somehow be accorded equal weight. Despite the attractions of a romantic view of science, most dissident views remain just that. But that should not stop one asking what if the accepted view is mistaken.’

‘While not denying that there can be massive pressure for premature closure of debate, there is some evidence that the public is more tolerant of uncertainty honestly admitted than is often supposed. Indeed, a plethora of supposedly-certain statements may only fuel the cynical belief that anything can be “proven”. The risks of appearing closed-minded can also be great. On balance, acknowledging uncertainty often carries fewer dangers’

https://www.regulation.org.uk/library/dh_risk_comms_advice.pdf 

Tim Bidie
Tim Bidie
5 years ago
Reply to  Tim Bidie

Also some posted yesterday, this time with link for those interested: ‘It remains unclear to us whether the Code of Practice for Scientific Advisory Committees applies to SAGE and we seek clarification on this issue.’ ‘Dame Deirdre Hine noted in the independent review of the UK response to swine flu pandemic that she had: ‘….reflected at length on whether SAGE should contain a broader range of scientific disciplines to help it tackle a future pandemic outbreak. I have concluded that SAGE had a good range of expertise, although the emphasis on modelling […] reduced the opportunity for a full contribution by other disciplines.’ ‘While we do not doubt Sir Gordon Duff’s independence from Government in his role as SAGE co-chair, it is still not clear to us how independence of the swine flu SAGE as a whole was maintained, particularly as it included Government officials. It is difficult to evaluate the independence of scientific advice when the operation of SAGE is confidential.’ ‘It is important that the existence of SAGE and how it can be accessed is made known during an emergency so that those with alternative, credible scientific views can contribute. Such input would need to be screened and… Read more »

Fingerache Philip.
Fingerache Philip.
5 years ago

Yes, and at least 1 person who died was 99.
Check the official figures.

Steve-Devon
5 years ago

This ia a bit of a weird ‘News of the World’ type post but then it is Sunday morning; picked up a link on twitter linking Covid 19 and body building;
https://twitter.com/northerness/status/1317596292118437894
Not sure if there is anythjing in this or not, has anyone else heard anything about body builders being susceptible to covid 19?
A few links;

https://see.news/rambo-iraqi-coronavirus-bodybuilder-death-infections/

https://eu.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2020/07/06/arizona-bodybuilder-35-covid-ventilator-weight-loss/5382711002/

https://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/world-news/beloved-chinese-bodybuilder-dies-coronavirus-21471597

mrjoeaverage
5 years ago
Reply to  Steve-Devon

Well it is interesting, and I will maintain that a lot of everything is to do with Vitamin D.

Arguably, it started in a lab with experiments being carried out on bats. Bats are pretty much devoid of Vitamin D. Let’s see who is most affected:

Care home residents – never go out, lack of vitamin D
Hospital workers – long hours indoors, lack of vitamin D
Chronically obese people – can’t get out, lack of vitamin D
Black people – scientifically low levels of vitamin D as more difficult to absorb.
Seriously ill people – cant get out, again, so lack of vitamin D.

Now getting on to your point of bodybuilders…..well funnily enough, I know taking steroids leads to a deficiency of Vitamin D.

Coincidence or not?!

Two-Six
Two-Six
5 years ago
Reply to  mrjoeaverage

Security guards were disproportionately affected by covids apparently, all that night working, or working in security rooms all day would mean very low Vitamin D levels too.

karenovirus
5 years ago
Reply to  Two-Six

Night club Security were also identified early on, same reason?

Jonathan Palmer
Jonathan Palmer
5 years ago
Reply to  karenovirus

They will be ok now because they are all unemployed

JudgeMental
JudgeMental
5 years ago
Reply to  Steve-Devon

The stress of intensive exercise can increase the cortisol level which has been linked to higher risk of Covid.
But the mental stress the government is putting everyone under also does the same which will have a far worse effect.

Stefarm
Stefarm
5 years ago
Reply to  Steve-Devon

Hmm, just as Liverpool gym owners are starting to fight back.

Bollocks to keep us scared.

It’s all an illusion one big psy op after another

Cheezilla
Cheezilla
5 years ago
Reply to  Stefarm

Good point!

Two-Six
Two-Six
5 years ago
Reply to  Steve-Devon

Yer steroids. A guy I knew from primary school who was 3 years younger than me, the weediest lillte kid ever, turned into the beefiest 5 foot tall guy I have ever seen and ran a security company (mostly event security and door guarding).

He died about two years ago suddenly.

It was the steroids he used for most of his life that killed him in the end. Very sad. He was a really nice guy.

Cheezilla
Cheezilla
5 years ago
Reply to  Steve-Devon

Steroids?

Bart Simpson
Bart Simpson
5 years ago

Great update Toby and Sikora should keep hammering about the scandal of cancer patients being thrown under the bus. Every time I mention people with cancer missing treatments and screenings which can lead to complications and deaths, I’m always greeted with silence from lockdownistas or if they say anything, its always along the lines of its not safe with the virus and infections still around.

I can vouch for the increase in drug use especially among the young. Over the last few months, I have seen more drugs paraphernalia littering the alleyway many people use as a shortcut and our sorry excuse for a park. Not to mention teenagers hanging around after school and generally making a nuisance out of themselves. Its really sad to see this and especially as the area I live in isn’t very good and now I don’t see it really improving over the next few years.

So if anyone still says that this is about saving lives and calling for another lockdown, I will remind them that they have blood in their hands.

Bart Simpson
Bart Simpson
5 years ago
Reply to  Bart Simpson

Exactly. The odd thing is I know someone who has a recurring heart problem, has been having trouble with getting appointments for check ups and consultations and yet is pro-lockdown, pro-mask and worships the Church of the NHS. Really baffling.

Me thinks that the one thing that will wake him up now is when Sunak announces a tax raid on pensions and savings. Not to mention them losing in value.

Suzyv
Suzyv
5 years ago
Reply to  Bart Simpson

I think you are right. It seems that the argument that health is being hugely damaged by restrictive measures just washes over those who want more even if they have health problems themselves. The brainwashing has been too deep and all sense have reality has been lost. So when it hurts the pocket more, will it change the mindset?

Bart Simpson
Bart Simpson
5 years ago
Reply to  Suzyv

A lot of the lockdownistas I know are retired and sitting on top of huge savings and pensions or if young have parents who can bail them out.

I’ve long believed that they will change their tune once they’re hit in the pocket or if mum & dad can’t bail them out. I will laugh if they’ll claim that they were against lockdown from day 1 and scramble to delete their posts and masked selfies.

Bart Simpson
Bart Simpson
5 years ago
Reply to  Bart Simpson

Exactly. There’s also the massive sense of entitlement and going “me, me, me!”

I know how you feel as I’ve come across behaviour like that to the point that I had to walk away from their whining because I know that I might do or say something that I will live to regret and be hauled off before HR.

Sally
Sally
5 years ago
Reply to  Bart Simpson

Do you think that will happen though (raid on pensions etc)? Or will the government just keep borrowing and adding to the great big credit card in the sky?

Bart Simpson
Bart Simpson
5 years ago
Reply to  Sally

Sunak has never ruled them out and I remember him advocating the abolition of the triple lock, Theresa May was forced to back out of that but the days of the triple lock are numbered.

Sally
Sally
5 years ago
Reply to  Bart Simpson

Sure, I can see that happening. I’m not so sure about tax increases, though. I definitely would like to see the lockdown zealots have reason to rue their stance, though.

Bart Simpson
Bart Simpson
5 years ago
Reply to  Sally

There are other ways by which lockdownista will have reasons to rue their stance – their kids being unable to get jobs for a start.

Jonathan Palmer
Jonathan Palmer
5 years ago
Reply to  Sally

There is no way the government can pay this back.In the short term they will just print more but long term I can only see the collapse of the £

Binra
5 years ago

Covid is the controlled demolition of the economy as was.
Insider knowledge to the fact is the ability to maximise redistribution of wealth (theft) and leverage via every and any shenanigan.

Cheezilla
Cheezilla
5 years ago

That’s the plan!

Stefarm
Stefarm
5 years ago
Reply to  Bart Simpson

Thursday’s Richie Allen show (available on u tube (for now)) had a lady guest who runs a cafe in Bournemouth, fantastic lady.

Like you has kept her business open with no covid bollocks.

Might be worth you contact her and forge some alliance and tips.

David Grimbleby
David Grimbleby
5 years ago
Reply to  Stefarm

She was good until she started on about ‘satanists’ etc.

Stefarm
Stefarm
5 years ago

She was right though IMO – we are being groomed

Not sure about the satanic stuff although there is a lot of symbolism in the covid bollocks – wear a mask, sanitise, stand 6 foot away, groups of 6, roll your trouser leg up, funny handshakes……

Binra
5 years ago

If the image and form of life, is taken to mask in, make fantasy of and give priority and power to so as to impose upon the living – or sacrifice the living to private gratifications of a driven lust or compulsive addiction – what would you call it?

I admit the term ‘Satanic’ can mean all kinds of things to all kinds of people, but I gave a sketch of what I mean and I see it working the media in particular and the minds of people in general.
However my focus is in the spark of life and love that may be covered over and denied or mocked by fake parody of life, but remains who we truly are – even if insanity blocks the capacity to believe it.

Silke David
5 years ago
Reply to  Bart Simpson

Oh,khl, I once had a customer complain on a busy saturday that they had eaten their cake before the coffee arrived.
I just held back from replying: Well, it was YOUR decision to start eating and not wait!

Ann
Ann
5 years ago
Reply to  Bart Simpson

Does that mean seven Covvies?

BTW, from our family’s experiences of Addenbrookes, they could cut down their death and infection rate quite a bit by mopping the floors and cleaning the toilets.

Rowan
Rowan
5 years ago
Reply to  Ann

You can get your Novichok from Porton Down.

Two-Six
Two-Six
5 years ago
Reply to  Bart Simpson

I bet the numbers of people who overdose on Opiates or even sythetic oapiates now has gone up a lot from previous years.
Also there is a big financial hit to people everywhere, even addicts. Fentanyl is much cheaper than heroine and very easy to overdose on.

Couple that with the enforced isolation people are experiencing, the almost total removal of drug, alcohol, addiction and mental health services. This is a witches brew for vastly increased death rates from overdoses.

Jo
Jo
5 years ago
Reply to  Two-Six

Just heard of one, in last 15 minutes. A bloke – early 50s, who has worked sometimes for my partner, and they’ve known each other for decades. Medics went into the house and tried for an hour to revive him; helicopter hovering to take him to hospital if they succeeded. But no luck.
Also know of three local suicides in last few weeks

Bart Simpson
Bart Simpson
5 years ago
Reply to  Two-Six

Agree. I come from a third world country and if poor people needed a drug fix, all they need to do is to buy a brand of super glue called “Rugby” and use it to sniff it. It’s reported to give one the same high as cannabis.

The rise in drug use in my area is worrying and yeah, its not helped by the withdrawal of services that’s needed to tackle this problem so I can see it getting worse.

Marcus
Marcus
5 years ago

Is it my imagination or are many of the mainstream media outlets (including the BBC) refusing to acknowledge the existence of yesterday’s anti-lockdown/mask protests in London?

Bart Simpson
Bart Simpson
5 years ago
Reply to  Marcus

Nope you’re not the only one who thinks that way.

Jo
Jo
5 years ago
Reply to  Bart Simpson

Yeah, the coverage I saw live was courtesy of RT

Julian
5 years ago
Reply to  Marcus

The BBC have studiously avoided them, in general. They covered the big Berlin one a while back, and one of the more recent London ones, but the coverage was just a lot of smears and misrepresentation, referring to conspiracy theorists (without actually saying what those theories were) and QANON supporters. I wrote to Michael Wendling of the BBC Misinformation Unit to complain and he surprisingly responded – he told me that the views being propounded were erroneous and did not merit airing or debate. That tells you all you need to know about him and his unit, and possibly about the wider BBC – that he felt comfortable telling me that, in writing.

David Grimbleby
David Grimbleby
5 years ago
Reply to  Julian

Do not forget the ‘free thinkers’ reported at the Berlin protest!

HelenaHancart
HelenaHancart
5 years ago
Reply to  Marcus

Watching the coverage via YT, there was no trouble, everyone was calm and the police behaved themselves. Not newsworthy then, despite thousands being there.

alw
alw
5 years ago

Here on the very edge of Central London there is proof that the Tier 2 lockdown is inflicting untold damage on the pub and restaurant businesses which Rishi was trying to save with his Eat Out to Help Out. Last night went to a local restaurant where we ate last Saturday. Then it was humming, last night very quiet. Staff saying they can’t keep up with ever changing rules and now can’t take coats to hang up. Walking back home past several other establishments and pubs noticed very few people, in some people clearly weren’t from same household but who cares. A Police van full of Police parked alongside what is usually a very busy pub but last night almost dead. Why aren’t the Police concentrating on the very real crime in our borough?

Bart Simpson
Bart Simpson
5 years ago
Reply to  alw

That doesn’t surprise me. Going out to eat has also become a joyless and dystopian experience. I get the feeling that it will also harm museums, art galleries and visitor attractions – when I went to London Zoo a few weeks’ ago, it was almost deserted.

Bart Simpson
Bart Simpson
5 years ago
Reply to  Bart Simpson

Sorry, I mean a few days’ ago!

alw
alw
5 years ago
Reply to  Bart Simpson

They are already harmed, masks, no tourists, people cancelling memberships. All establishments should stand together and and say no to Government if they are to have any hope of survival.

Julian
5 years ago
Reply to  alw

Big business and other affected organisations have been very slow to push back – it seems to consist mainly of grumbling and asking for money. More legal action needed, more pubic statements from CEOs, that clearly identify the narrative as the problem, not the virus. Sadly I expect they are either bought into it or too afraid to be seen as money-grabbing granny killers.

Bart Simpson
Bart Simpson
5 years ago
Reply to  Julian

The Culture Fund is essentially a bribe IMO. I’ve been amazed that no-one in the performing arts for a start has decided to join forces with Van Morrison to get venues to open again as normal.

Bart Simpson
Bart Simpson
5 years ago
Reply to  alw

I agree. I despair that none of the museums and institutions have banded together to protest at these measures. They should have done it from the word go and refused to implement social distancing, masks and all the assorted insanity.

Its funny though that many museums jumped on the BLM bandwagon but have been silent on the assault on our civil liberties.

Ann
Ann
5 years ago
Reply to  alw

Don’t let it. Just take their money.

CGL
CGL
5 years ago
Reply to  Ann

Agree – think I’d print out separate menus with a separate price list – to include a supplement for the extra stress and emotional damage caused

Jonathan Palmer
Jonathan Palmer
5 years ago
Reply to  alw

The pubs are in a impossible bind.
If they obey the law they will go bust.
I think the government have just created a whole new class of sceptic

alw
alw
5 years ago

The get out for Christmas.

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Sarigan
Sarigan
5 years ago
Reply to  alw

Wasn’t Jesus born on Christmas? Funeral for the Turkey maybe or the sprouts.

Fingerache Philip.
Fingerache Philip.
5 years ago
Reply to  Sarigan

“WHATEVER!!!!”

Albie
Albie
5 years ago
Reply to  alw

People should do what they want at Christmas and not even think of jokey ways around the rules. And our consciences are clear. We’re not the ones denying cancer patients urgent treatment or putting people on the dole.

alw
alw
5 years ago
Reply to  Albie

Pic illustrates the ridiculousness of regulations. Everyone I know whether family or friends is going to ignore restrictions over Christmas period. Thereafter it will be impossible to enforce.

Tee Ell
Tee Ell
5 years ago
Reply to  alw

They don’t need to enforce it en masse. They just need to break our resistance to certain key principles.

They won’t go and lock everyone up while they’re eating their turkey or salmon or whatever. But if they want to detain a random person who they deem an agitator at some other point for some arbitrary reason, they can. They can claim they suspected them of having an infection.

Or they can respond like Dan Andrews after Victorian police ran over a mentally ill man and then kicked him in the head. His response was that “there’s an easy way to avoid this – don’t protest”.

Albie
Albie
5 years ago
Reply to  alw

I know, but some people I know are actually scared of breaking the rules even if they think they are daft, which as goes without saying they are.

Emily Tock
Emily Tock
5 years ago

Irish Times’ shameless propaganda: ‘Coronavirus: Eight further deaths and 1,276 new Covid-19 cases reported’ https://www.irishtimes.com/news/health/coronavirus/coronavirus-eight-further-deaths-and-1-276-new-covid-19-cases-reported-1.4383975
Only if you actually click on and read the article, which most people don’t, do you see that ‘One of the deaths occurred in June, two were in September and five in October. There have now been a total of 1,849 Covid-19 related deaths in Ireland’. Also, notice that the article says ‘related deaths’…

Now More Than Ever
Now More Than Ever
5 years ago

Relatively balanced (!) piece by the BBC (!) about the huge mess it all is. I think Triggle would be one of us, if he were allowed to be. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-54546867

TheBluePill
5 years ago

Indeed, he has put out a number of relatively balanced articles. As someone else pointed out, he seems to be on a career path to reading the late night shipping forecast.

Julian
5 years ago
Reply to  TheBluePill

I wrote to Deborah Cohen encouraging her to look into how “covid hospitalisation” and “covid death” statistics are deliberate misrepresentations. I don’t suppose she will, but it was worth a try. I don’t know how much leeway she has in deciding what to cover, at least for the BBC.

Two-Six
Two-Six
5 years ago
Reply to  TheBluePill

Or being the Jizz Mopper in the “This Morning” studios.

snippet
snippet
5 years ago

Ofcom should make the broadcast of this graph compulsory at the beginning of every news programme:

http://inproportion2.talkigy.com/dashboard/

tone
tone
5 years ago
Reply to  snippet

Just a quick question, if I may: What does the NHS triage count reflect?

tone
tone
5 years ago
Reply to  snippet

Thanks

court
5 years ago

I’m ashamed to admit after all these months that I ordered a snood yesterday. I still won’t be doing anything different, I don’t go to shops or to the pub now they’ve been included. I just need to be able to take my young kids places at a weekend without chance of a coming over belligerent and making a scene.

The snood seems the best idea at this stage, wearing a jacket now the weather has turned means I can just pull it up for a minute to buy some tickets at the arboretum or NT site like a Wild West stick-up then straight down after.

captainbeefheart
captainbeefheart
5 years ago
Reply to  court

A scarf is a “normal” thing to wear at this time of the year.

I went to a garden center yesterday with a scarf very loosely wrapped around my face, the masked zombies never batted an eyelid.

I can’t remember exactly what the rules say at the moment (because I really dont care about them any more) but i think if you are caring for someone who is exempt, you are also exempt.

Not sure if “caring for a baby / child” fits into this category. If this is the case, I wouldn’t bother wearing any face covering whilst I’m with my daughter.

Victoria
5 years ago

A scarf is a “normal” thing to wear at this time of the year.

That is a much better plan

MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG
Reply to  Victoria

No I don’t think it is. Please see my comment. MW

MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG

I went to a garden center yesterday with a scarf very loosely wrapped around my face, the masked zombies never batted an eyelid.

We have never worn masks, scarves or ‘snoods’ (what on earth is a snood anyway?) and nobody ever bats an eyelid.

If you cover your face you are complying. You really need to understand that. If you’re scared of what people might say, print out a badge or get a lanyard. It only says you are exempt, you do not need to pretend to have a disability or illness. Just do not comply with this tyranny and model your resistance to it to help others to understand. MW

Silke David
5 years ago

I keep trying to explain to my friend that I get anxiety seeing faces covered up and therefor, no, I will not accompany you for a “relaxed” browse through the clothes shops.
She does not understand, and this is a woman who worked with people with learning disabilities all her life!

Ruth Sharpe
Ruth Sharpe
5 years ago
Reply to  Silke David

I understand you completely. Shopping is pretty much no go for me, apart from essentials. Not only is it seeing people with covered faces, but also constantly questioning the complete insanity of wearing one in the first place.

Charlie Blue
5 years ago
Reply to  court

Sounds like a good call to me. I’m sure I would do the same if I had little ones.

stevie
5 years ago
Reply to  court

I wear a bandana when I need to.