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Lockdown Rebellion Gathers Strength
Boris Johnson’s troubles are far from over as his sceptical backbenchers, emboldened by the concessions won over the Brady amendment, move on to new targets. Their latest is the arbitrary and counterproductive 10pm curfew, which is undermining an already battered hospitality industry. The Telegraph has more.
Boris Johnson is facing a new rebellion on the backbenches, after his Government was accused of presiding over a “nanny state”.
Philip Davies, the MP for Shipley, told the Commons the 10pm hospitality curfew was doing untold damage to businesses and prompting “jobs to be lost, all just to see people congregating on the streets again”. “When will the Secretary of State act like a Conservative and stop this arbitrary nanny state socialist approach, which is serving no purpose at all apart from to further collapse the economy and erode our freedoms,” he asked Matt Hancock.
Noting Mr Davies had voted against renewing the Coronavirus Act yesterday, the Health Secretary said the “hundreds of thousands of deaths that would follow is not a price to pay” for his colleague’s preferred option of “just letting it rip”.
He added: “I do believe in individual responsibility and the promotion of freedom – subject to not harming others.”
The belief that ongoing extreme Government restrictions are all that stand between us and “hundreds of thousands of deaths” is the article of faith at the heart of the Covid cult, the fear that drives the dark side of public health policy. Matt Hancock confirmed this week on Twitter that the Government’s strategy is indefinite suppression until a vaccine arrives.
Which begs the question, as James Forsyth asks in the Spectator, what will they do if one never comes? Even if it does there are lots of uncertainties, as a new report from the Royal Society warns.
A vaccine is often seen as the holy grail that will end the pandemic. But a report, from researchers brought together by the Royal Society, said we needed to be “realistic” about what a vaccine could achieve and when. They said restrictions may need to be “gradually relaxed” as it could take up to a year to roll the vaccine out.
More than 200 vaccines to protect against the virus are being developed by scientists around the world in a process that is taking place at unprecedented speed.
“A vaccine offers great hope for potentially ending the pandemic, but we do know that the history of vaccine development is littered with lots of failures,” said Dr Fiona Culley, from the National Heart and Lung Institute at Imperial College London.
There is optimism, including from the UK government’s scientific advisers, that some people may get a vaccine this year and mass vaccination may start early next year.
However, the Royal Society report warns it will be a long process.
“Even when the vaccine is available it doesn’t mean within a month everybody is going to be vaccinated, we’re talking about six months, nine months… a year,” said Prof Nilay Shah, head of chemical engineering at Imperial College London. “There’s not a question of life suddenly returning to normal in March.”
Dr Andrew Preston from the University of Bath wonders whether compulsion will be required.
“Clearly the vaccine has been portrayed as a silver bullet and ultimately it will be our salvation, but it may not be an immediate process.”
He said there would need to be discussion of whether “vaccine passports” are needed to ensure people coming into the country are immunised.
And Dr Preston warned that vaccine hesitancy seemed to be a growing problem that had become embroiled in anti-mask, anti-lockdown ideologies.
“If cohorts of people refuse to have the vaccine, do we leave them to fend for themselves or have mandatory vaccination for children to go to schools, or for staff in care homes? There are lots of difficult questions.”
Don’t you love how questioning masks is now “ideology”, even though they were opposed by the WHO until June and then recommended despite it being admitted there is “no direct evidence” of the effectiveness of “universal masking of healthy people in the community”?
Defence Select Committee Chairman Tobias Ellwood proposed vaccine passports in the Commons this week, worryingly suggesting the idea is gaining ground.
The politician told the House that he has written to Johnson urging him to use the Ministry of Defence and the army to set up regional distribution hubs as well as to develop a “national database to track progress and issue the vaccination certificates.”
Ellwood, who is Chair of the House of Commons Defence Select Committee, said that vaccination certificates “will probably have to be internationally recognized in order to allow travel, international travel.”
In further eyebrow raising remarks, Ellwood outlined that life will return to normal for those who get the vaccine, whereas those who don’t will still be “subject to social distancing rules”.
All of which shows it is vain to hope the arrival of a vaccine will make this whole nightmare go away while allowing the Government to save face. Like the rebel MPs, we lockdown sceptics must keep pressing our argument that none of these measures are warranted or proportionate so that extreme public health interventions, compulsorily enforced, don’t become the new normal.
Full List of MPs Who Voted Against Coronavirus Act Renewal
The MPs who voted against the renewal of the Coronavirus Act are a curious bunch and rare bedfellows: all the LibDems (actually being liberal for a change), some hardcore Corbynistas, and some seasoned Tory rebels, with a smattering of others. 26 overall: 11 LibDems, seven Conservatives, six Labour, one Green Party and one Alliance Party of Northern Ireland. (From Hansard, with thanks to the reader who put this together for us.)
- Mr Alistair Carmichael (LibDem Orkney and Shetland: Teller)
- Wendy Chamberlain (LibDem North East Fife: Teller)
- Bone, Mr Peter (Conservative Wellingborough)
- Butler, Dawn (Labour Brent)
- Cooper, Daisy (LibDem St Albans)
- Davey, Ed (LibDem Kingston and Surbiton)
- Davies, Philip (Conservative Shipley West Yorkshire)
- Farron, Tim (LibDem Westmoreland and Lonsdale)
- Farry, Stephen (Alliance Party, North Down)
- Hobhouse, Wera (LibDem Bath)
- Hollobone, Mr Philip (Conservative Kettering)
- Jardine, Christine (LibDem Edinburgh West)
- Jones, Kevan (Labour North Durham)
- Long Bailey, Rebecca (Labour Salford and Eccles)
- Lucas, Caroline (Green Party Brighton Pavilion)
- McVey, Esther (Conservative Tatton)
- Moran, Layla (LibDem Oxford West and Abingdon)
- Olney, Sarah (LibDem Richmond Park)
- Spellar, John (Labour Warley)
- Stone, Jamie (LibDem, Caithness, Sutherland and Easter Ross)
- Stringer, Graham (Labour Blackley and Broughton)
- Swayne, Sir Desmond (Conservative New Forest West)
- Twigg, Derek (Labour Halton)
- Walker, Sir Charles (Conservative Broxbourne)
- Wilson, Munira (LibDem Twickenham)
- Wragg, Mr William (Conservative Hazel Grove)
We salute you!
No Panic Second Time
Fraser Nelson in the Telegraph points out that the mood in the country is changing, as seen in people’s behaviour if not in what they say.
Shops are just as busy, footfall is no lower since the second wave started – and consumer spending is back to about where it was before the virus. As are seats filled in restaurants. This is not a story of hedonism or recklessness: masks are being dutifully worn, hand sanitiser squirted and elbows bumped everywhere. Even Matt Hancock’s Covid app has been downloaded 14 million times. But there are not many signs that the fear inside No10 – of a second wave even larger than the first – is being shared in the country more widely.
This is what takes us to the politically dangerous territory. People tell opinion pollsters that they like restrictions – but they vote with their feet, and most are making their way to work. With almost a million jobs gone, and perhaps another million about to go, the economy has overtaken health as the subject that most concerns voters. People worry about their friends’ jobs, as well as their own. People who aren’t really fussed about eating out are doing so because they care about the survival of the pubs, restaurants and the local jobs that they wish to support. And if Government imposes another lockdown, while being unable to provide a shred of evidence about the efficacy, things may get tricky.
Rebellions are afoot in Marseille and Madrid, and now in Middlesbrough where the mayor Andy Preston came out against the local lockdown:
I have to tell you I think this measure has been introduced based on factual inaccuracies and a monstrous and frightening lack of communication, and ignorance. I do not accept the statement at all. I do not accept these measures. We need to talk to Government, they need to understand our local knowledge, expertise and ability to get things done, and preserve jobs and well-being. We are really disappointed. As things stand, we defy the Government and we do not accept these measures.
800 students attended a party in Coventry, with many saying that they just wanted to get Covid over and done with. As Kate Andrews asks in the Spectator, could this be the start of the lockdown rebellion? We certainly hope so.
Stop Press: The latest figures from Imperial’s React study show the “second wave” may already be slowing, with the rate of growth down from 1.7 in late August to 1.1 last week. Oddly, notes Ross Clark in the Speccie, there’s a big unexplained discrepancy between the React figures (which estimates that there were 411,000 “cases” in the week ending September 26th) and the ONS figures (estimated 103,600 in week ending September 19th). Doesn’t this just show how dubious our data and models are? Reported cases fell again yesterday, leaving the last week looking rather flat. In Madrid, hospital occupancy has now been falling continuously for a week. The second ripple is fizzling out, and not because of anything governments have done. When will the Government and their advisers admit it?
Dentists Not “Open For Business”
Following our story yesterday about the difficulties people are having in getting diagnosed for a serious medical condition in our “world-beating” National Covid Service despite Dr Chris Whitty insisting the NHS is “open for business”, a reader has sent us the letter she wrote to her MP about having the same problem seeing a dentist.
It says in the press and according to the Prime Minister’s press conference that the NHS is open for business.
I don’t think it is. I’ve just called our dentist and my seven year-old can’t be seen unless in extreme pain. She has a filling in a baby tooth and I was told we needed to keep an eye on it and get it checked regularly as the filling has a tendency to fall out. It is currently black and I suspect it has fallen out.
Now I’m told we cannot get an appointment. I have to wait to see if her tooth becomes severely rotten or she has an infection or other serious problem before my seven year-old can be seen by the dentist.
So I beg to differ that the NHS is “open for business”. It seems a child could be at risk of serious illness before they might be seen. I do hope the situation isn’t the same in hospitals. If people are waiting unnecessarily for other treatments then it seems that Covid restrictions are now causing more harm than they are purportedly preventing. I hope the restrictions and consequences of them are not unnecessarily disproportionate, although I’m now concerned they are.
Herd Immunity Gains Ground
A professor of genetics and data science has been in touch to point us to some new research some people in his field are doing into herd immunity. The professor, who wishes to remain anonymous, is pleased this research is going ahead. He told Lockdown Sceptics:
The idea of collective (or “herd”) immunity and how it might be at play in the Covid pandemic is being increasingly debated. It is very hard to tease this out, not least because the Government still refuses to publish the number of tests performed per day for each different geographical regions, while it simultaneously emphasises counts of ‘cases’ rather than percentages of positive tests. Nevertheless, when one considers the very poor correlation between lockdown severity and the scale of the outbreak in different places around the world, and by noting how secondary waves pretty much everywhere seem relatively short-lived and mild compared to the earlier outbreaks, then one cannot avoid suspecting that collective immunity may be at play.
That said, we must still be cautious. If herd immunity is helpfully doing its best to come to our rescue: (i) we still do not know how long such immunity will last (though SARS T-Cell immunity lasts at least 17 years); (ii) the significance of “Long-COVID” is still to be fully understood (though there is no reliable data today proving it to be a major problem); and (iii) many regions of the UK experienced only a very mild first wave (and so could be at major risk for a very large outbreak this winter).
Therefore, given what we do and do not know about collective immunity at the present time, there is no justification for throwing caution and social distancing measures out of the window. But equally, the evidence does argue that increasingly extreme measures are not merited. Furthermore, there is every reason to intensify research into Covid collective immunity, to compel the Government to release all the data that analysts need to do such research, to universally talk in terms of percentage positivity rates (rather than case counts), and to start focusing more on death rates rather than mainly on levels of infection.
I think many Lockdown Sceptics readers would be more than ready to throw social distancing out the window. But the research is certainly welcome and will, we hope, put herd immunity to COVID-19 on a surer scientific footing.
University Punishes Students For Being Asleep
In a new low, when you didn’t think universities could be any crueller, the University of Southampton has decided to penalise an entire hall of residence, including those asleep at the time of the misdemeanour. A reader writes:
A number of students from Chamberlain halls decided to have a bit of a night out, breaking both Government guidelines and the University’s code of conduct.
Of course, the University condemned this, but what was particularly shocking was the nature of their response. They issued a letter to the entire hall of residence, some 356 bedrooms, stating that all students would be receiving a permanent reference to the event on their disciplinary records, saying that even those who did not attend would still receive one because they failed to snitch on their fellow students. Suffice to say having a disciplinary record is no laughing matter.
The student body is outraged as many residents were completely unaware or even asleep at the time of the gathering as the hall sprawls across five separate blocks.
The student magazine Wessex Scene has the story in more detail as well as a screenshot of the full letter sent to residents.
Nice to see universities demonstrate that given an excuse they really don’t mind doling out a mass punishment to whole sections of their presumably already pretty anxious and frustrated freshers, all while charging them nine grand for the privilege.
Swiss Doctor’s Charts
The Swiss doctor has put up a new post entitled “Covid: The Big Picture in Seven Charts“. Well worth a read, but here is the best one which compares Covid deaths this year with all-cause mortality.
Stop Press: Trump and the First Lady have tested positive and are self-isolating.
Round-Up
- “MP under police investigation after taking Covid to the Commons” – Even MPs don’t stick to the rules they say they support
- “The Government has it easy: rising cases, lockdown too slow. Falling cases, lockdown works” – Madeleine Grant in the Telegraph spots the genius of the Government’s lockdown strategy that can never be wrong
- “A falling R number is no justification for further lockdowns” – Ross Clark in the Telegraph counters the inevitable argument, already made by Matt Hancock, that the slowing of infections only shows we need more lockdowns
- “Why Professor Chris Whitty’s pessimism isn’t the full picture” – Ben Spencer in the Mail attempts to bring a bit of sorely lacking proportion to the Witless and Unbalanced show
- “The selfish hypocrisy of champagne lockdownism is demolishing our society” – Another excellent column from Sherelle Jacobs in the Telegraph shining a light on the selfishness and hypocrisy of the lockdown zealots
- “How much does it cost to save lives from Covid?” – Simon Wood in the Spectator says the Government is not getting value for money in its public health interventions
- “Public Health Lessons Learned From Biases in Coronavirus Mortality Overestimation” – Peer-reviewed article in Disaster Medicine and Public Health Preparedness by Dr Ronald Brown that shines a spotlight on the biases and errors that led to the fateful presentation on March 11th of a mortality rate to Congress that was ten times too high
- “Why your positive test result is likely wrong” – Good summary of the problems with tests and “cases” from Rob Verkerk at the ANH
- “Our MPs have no conscience – so we must supply one” – Kathy Gyngell in the Conservative Woman is unimpressed with the way MPs are holding the Government to account and calls on sceptics everywhere to keep the pressure on
- “Echoes of Brexit in the ridiculing of lockdown protesters” – Richard Ings in the Conservative Woman spies the same dismissive elitism at work
- “What Iceland’s volcano chaos teaches us about our Covid mistakes” – The latest from Dr Waqar Rashid in the Spectator who sees important parallels with other over-reactions to pandemics based on faulty models and poor data
Love in the Time of Covid
We have created some Lockdown Sceptics Forums, including a dating forum called “Love in a Covid Climate” that has attracted a bit of attention. We have a team of moderators in place to remove spam and deal with the trolls, but sometimes it takes a little while so please bear with us. You have to register to use the Forums, but that should just be a one-time thing. Any problems, email the Lockdown Sceptics webmaster Ian Rons here.
Update: Some of you have asked how to link to particular stories on Lockdown Sceptics. The answer used to be to first click on “Latest News”, then click on the links that came up beside the headline of each story. But we’ve changed that so the link now comes up beside the headline whether you’ve clicked on “Latest News” or you’re just on the Lockdown Sceptics home page. Please do share the stories with your friends and on social media.
Woke Gobbledegook
We’ve decided to create a permanent slot down here for woke gobbledegook. Today, Tom Slater in the Spectator explains what is so galling about the latest utterance from the Prince and Princess of Woke.
Hot on the heels of their thinly-veiled intervention in the US election, Prince Harry and Meghan Markle have called for an “end to structural racism” in the UK, via a new initiative they’ve launched in collaboration with the Evening Standard.
To mark the beginning of Black History Month in the UK, Harry and Meghan have unveiled a list of “BHM Next Gen Trailblazers”– that is, black Brits who are making a difference in arts, politics and culture, chosen in turn by some of the Sussexes’ favourite black British artists, politicians and cultural figures.
Scratch beneath the surface, though, and this initiative seems as much about celebrating black British talent as it is about “educating” the supposedly uneducated population, who the royal couple seem to think are insufficiently aware of the contributions made by Brits of African and Caribbean backgrounds.
The couple gave a Zoom interview to the Standard from their £11m mansion in California, all in the cringeworthy style to which we’ve become accustomed: Harry recites tired talking points in the manner of a man reading a hostage letter, while Meghan stares at him, smiling.
The list, Harry says, is an “opportunity to introduce Brits to other Brits that they might not know about”, adding that even in London “if you actually get out on the streets and talk to people… it doesn’t feel as diverse as it actually is”. Meghan goes on to defend Black Lives Matter against accusations it is “inflammatory”.
I must have missed all the times BLM condemned unequivocally the violence and rioting being carried out in its name. Perhaps this is why, according to YouGov, 48% of Brits want Harry and Meghan stripped of their royal titles, while just 27% think they should keep them.
“Mask Exempt” Lanyards
We’ve created a one-stop shop down here for people who want to buy (or make) a “Mask Exempt” lanyard/card. You can print out and laminate a fairly standard one for free here and it has the advantage of not explicitly claiming you have a disability. But if you have no qualms about that (or you are disabled), you can buy a lanyard from Amazon saying you do have a disability/medical exemption here (takes a while to arrive). The Government has instructions on how to download an official “Mask Exempt” notice to put on your phone here. You can get a “Hidden Disability” tag from ebay here and an “exempt” card with lanyard for just £1.99 from Etsy here. And, finally, if you feel obliged to wear a mask but want to signal your disapproval of having to do so, you can get a “sexy world” mask with the Swedish flag on it here.
Don’t forget to sign the petition on the UK Government’s petitions website calling for an end to mandatory face nappies in shops here.
A reader has started a website that contains some useful guidance about how you can claim legal exemption.
And here’s a round-up of the scientific evidence on the effectiveness of mask (threadbare at best).
Stop Press: A new scientific preprint exposes yet another health problem with habitual mask wearing: all the loose material on them that will be inhaled and create “potential pathological consequences of foreign bodies in the lungs”.
Samaritans
If you are struggling to cope, please call Samaritans for free on 116 123 (UK and ROI), email jo@samaritans.org or visit the Samaritans website to find details of your nearest branch. Samaritans is available round the clock, every single day of the year, providing a safe place for anyone struggling to cope, whoever they are, however they feel, whatever life has done to them.
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And Finally…
Toby had lunch with Laurence Fox on Monday and talked about his new party, Reclaim. Here’s an excerpt from his Spectator column this week.
More importantly, Reclaim doesn’t have to win anywhere in order to make a difference. Ukip only managed to win a single parliamentary seat, yet it achieved its main political objective. All Laurence needs to do is persuade the Conservative party that if it doesn’t become more robust on culture war issues it will lose votes to him in Red Wall seats. Not enough for Reclaim to win, but enough for Labour to come up through the middle.
And Laurence’s initiative has already had a backbone-stiffening effect on No. 10, with its comms team frantically briefing out that Boris was planning to appoint Charles Moore to run the BBC and Paul Dacre to run Ofcom at the same time that the story broke about the new party. With his backbenchers growing restive, Boris is particularly vulnerable to the charge that he hasn’t done enough to protect Britain’s statues and monuments from marauding gangs of Black Lives Matter protestors or to defend Britain’s history from those who portray it as an unending litany of exploitation and oppression. If the new party starts creeping up in the polls, Boris will have to do something to shoot Reclaim’s Fox.
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Hey, who’s unliking these claims? Envy is a vice, you know!
I’ll always be very happy to be daily contributor no. 1000. Indeed, if a million were before me I’d rejoice! Dewch yn llu!
Sore losers! Well done Fiat!
Miserablists are having something of a resurgence worldwide and this place cannot escape. But unlike a virus they can be defeated, our best weapons are humour and laughter. Does anyone remember laughter? It’s been a long time.
Laughter?? Yes I had forgotten about that! I remember when we did a lot of laughing and telling jokes to each other, those were the good old days! Now long gone.
Really? Why? Where’s your resilience!? If people living in total deprivation can find joy, purpose and laughter then why can’t you? Stop being so self indulgent.
Well said Cruella!
What you focus on grows!
This made me laugh too, in the comments to Ross Clark’s article:
Does anyone remember hearing of or seeing Matt Hancock before this year? Did he just pop up, fully formed, out of nowhere, like a mushroom suddenly appearing in your lawn?
No, he was knitted in some demonic WI coven and released on the world to cry havoc.
I laughed out loud a couple of times watching this latest from Vernon Coleman:
https://brandnewtube.com/watch/why-i-believe-politicians-and-advisors-will-go-to-prison_t9eKWJlQEzmZeZv.html
Enjoyable and informative. Good humour and with a great message. Be great to see these lot in jail. Really hope it happens.
Shared with my wife.. it will spread.
Well I am not surprised that this site is asking for faith in those painfully obvious lip service paying MPs.
This is for all of you who can get sold on the idea that writing to an MP is not a waste of time and energy:
The Rule Britannia! psyop, and The Times at its source
It was clearly a smokescreen and should have been ignored. The MSM had a field day with it.
I never expected to be first!
That’s probably why you aren’t then 😉
First among equals
Bronze!!
Bugger!
I’m remined of the time a senior British Intelligence officer was asked about the prospect of peace negotiations in Northern Ireland
His reply was that he didn’t think either side had suffered enough to bring them to negotiations
So it is with this
The majority of the population have not yet suffered enough
It may take years for them to come to their senses
It might be slow but it will all be our way.
Get this into the conversation.
Dr Nilay Shah (of Imperial, Toby’s text)
“There is not a question of things getting back to normal in March”.
So the endgame will not even be in sight a full year after ‘3 weeks of lockdown’.
Unfortunately, this virus and all its attendant ‘rules’ is probably the most exciting thing that’s happened to some people in their whole lives! That’s why they embrace muzzle-wearing and suchlike virtue-signally – not because they believe it’ll protect them but because they need to be seen as ”morally superior” and somehow important.
It’s very pathetic.
And anti-social media aids and abets this virtue signalling.
If they don’t post their inane ramblings or selfies of themselves in “fetching” and “cute” muzzles then who the feck would know how “good” and “caring” they are?
Imagine all these virtue signalling bastards giving money to charity instead of a PPE company based in India. “Got any spare change?” On the streets from honest people who have nothing – IGNORE. Buy a useless bit of cloth or PPE – photograph that bang it on Twitter and you are a great Ape. Disgusting really.
Exactly. It reminds me of what Jesus told his disciples that they should not like be the Pharisees who like to parade their devotion in public in an ostentatious way, they should do it in private.
The virtue signallers are like the Pharisees who show off their muzzles to show that they “care” for others when they’re better off as you said giving money to charity or simply being there for people they know suffering because of the lockdown.
It might also provide a welcome sense of purpose.
We humans seem to need a “reason” for living.
The endless pursuit of ever greater material comfort is getting stale.
And traditional religions are passe.
New religions are filling the void: BLM, the covid cult, wokeness…
Good point about religion and the need to believe – when people stop believing in God they believe in anything.
I really like that point. It makes a lot of sense. The whole ‘in this together’ nonsense.
Which is a lie and yet people still believe in it!
Since when did actual truth matter?
Every religion is made up stuff that simply becomes relevant because enough people believe it.
All the corona rules are just like the gestures and rituals of religions. The masks, the 2 metres, the 6 people, the half capacity, the elbow shake, the one way systems.. it’s all stuff a bunch of technocrats have pulled out their arses,… just like…
The gesture of crossing oneself, the water on the baby’s forehead, the bread and the wine to cleanse us of our sins, the kneeling to pray, the crucifixes around the neck, the private conversation with god.
All stuff people made up, created by an elite group, engendered by a cadre of officials all to create some psychological effect and to elevate one group of people over another.
True religion is based on ancient Truths.
The problem is when they are hijacked to give an elite minority power over the populace and turned into cults.
Jesus taught “the Kingdom of God is within”. In other words, you don’t need priests. The Pharisees had him bumped off!
Later, Christianity was hijacked by the Romans to help control their empire’s population.
The Normans brought the Roman Church to Britain, and used it as a powerful political tool.
That’s just the example of one religion.
Did he? The story was written down and edited into a bible well after he was supposed to have been around.
Our current day population is being told to wear masks based on current scientific evidence. That piece of bullshit is 100% disprovable today and yet here we are…
I have to say I admire your confidence in the veracity of Jesus was supposed to have said some 2000 years ago.
You’ve got to admit, the Nudge Unit is brilliant!
The apocalypse never arrives, but that never deters those who take a gloomy relish in predicting it
The apocalypse will arrive and it is coming in the guise of liability free genocidal vaccines. Those miserable liars Johnson and Hancock have been in bed with Bill Gates since day one of this fake pandemic. It is all about depopulation and getting even richer in the process . What mugs we are.
apocalypse
/əˈpɒkəlɪps/
noun: Apocalypse; plural noun: apocalypses
1.the complete final destruction of the world, as described in the biblical book of Revelation.
2.an event involving destruction or damage on a catastrophic scale.
“the apocalypse of World War II”
Origin
Old English, via Old French and ecclesiastical Latin from Greek apokalupsis, from apokaluptein ‘uncover, reveal’, from apo- ‘un-’ + kaluptein ‘to cover’.
Oh….. I think the apocalypse more than arrived. The fact it has a plural suggests we have had many.
The true meaning of apocalypse is an uncovering.
This is exactly what’s happening.
Just look at what is being revealed. This is a great awakening. How it pans out depends on how quickly the sheeple awake.
Sheep and goats time!
By the way, John’s Revelation describes the awakening of consciouness, the journey to enlightenment.
Harry Vox (the guy who brought the Rockefeller “lockstep” document to the fore) said that for many it’s THE most exciting that’s ever happened to them! They’re revelling in the virtue-signalling mask-wearing, snitching, and the then seal-clapping – they’ve got something to join in with now, given carte-blanche to bully other members of the public they don’t even know (what happened protections from bullying, in the workplace etc?) and feel like part of a big “preety” mask-wearing club, able to revert back to schoolyard bullying tactics because the government have given them permission to attack and sideline people – not very woke or inclusive, is it?! Some of the door nazis I’ve encountered really are the worst of the worst, one in particular, stands gleefully completely blocking the one door IN to Primark, and has to do full inspection and cross-examine before allowing anyone to enter. Needless to say the shop looks pretty empty these days.
We are surrounded by them….Soul suckers..Psychic vampires..Hollow men and women..Empty vessels, waiting to be filled..Re incarnated farm animals, waiting for slaughter.A hive mind, zombified by aimless consumerist consumption hypnotised by ” The society of the spectacle”.Apologies to De Bord and TS Eliot.
There is going to be a great deal of bronchial sickness arising from the prolonged use of masks. Virtue signalling has its downside.
It is their version of ” put that light out ” etc. a war footing.
Yup, I’ve noticed this. Very few people are actually scared of the virus but they can pretend it’s a great civilisation-threatening monster, like the triffids, and can revel in the community all-in-it-together thing without actually having to suffer the privations of real war or plague. Some folk are actually enjoying this. It gives them a sense of relevance and importance. This is herd neurosis.
Yet it was a bomb in Canary Wharf with £1B in damage that got the wheels running in the background.
I was there the following morning, the Policeman on the roadblock could not give me directions
” dunno mate, they called me in from Southend for this “.
November will be the month of awakening. People will lose their jobs en masse and the masses are going to discover how bad this whole thing as been
Not to mention their savings and pensions as well. They’ll wonder why the masks and social distancing hasn’t really protected them from the day of reckoning.
What part of ‘i will never take their vaccine’ don’t they fucking get? Not just me but millions of people are not gonna line up for a vaccine rushed through by people who have treated us like this so far.
Exactly. I don’t trust the government or any of the other parties with anything. Politicians would tell you the moon was actually just a giant dough ball in the sky if they thought they could make money out of the idea.
It’s quite incredible how far removed they are from reality. The vast majority don’t care about the people they represent. Blatant lies and barbaric policies are just ‘spun’ so they don’t look so horrific.
… whereas Covid lies are spun at high speed to make them look as horrific as possible.
Will the Police a good the vaccine for Security reasons?
i know its early in the morning but can you repeat that in english! 🙂
‘avoid the vacccine’?
good spot……. this blogs auto complete / predictive texting is a pin in the artist
You got it Ann, are you Annie ? She’s been AWOL and your style is similar 😉
Annie has has a name change for some reason, she is now know as Ann. I think she needs to edit her profile or something?
Ann no longer takes the nie!
Sorry, but too good pub to be resisted
That has to be the mantra for those with their brains still working.
There will be no good vaccines as none are required. Perhaps there will be just a saline solution for those regarded as vital for propping up the shedload of liars known as the UK government. The rest of us will get the liability free genocidal witches brew, funded by Bill Gates and the Bank of England printing presses. We allow ourselves to be vaccinated only at the gravest peril.
Agreed. But the ground work is already being put in place for use to be completely shut out of society. The mask madness is the precursor. No mask no entry. No app no entry. No DNA altering super vaccine…no entry.
I can already see the health and safety bed wetters at my work rubbing their pointless little hands together with glee at the thought of implementing this!!
Nah, that’s not gonna happen. How can they mandate you carry a phone and if you don’t you’re denied food from a Supermarket? How will the monitor this and who is gonna put up with that? How can any Doctor call themselves a doctor if they’re jabbing your arm against your will? This whole bollocks will be gone but not until this time next year. They said it at the beginning that it will last 18 months and then shut up about it. This was an attack by the dog eating chinkies on the planet because Trump was fucking with them and the rest of the planet were on their case for the environmental damage they are doing. There is going to be a world war soon and it will be between the chinks and the rest of the world. If they do try and vaccinate the people by force after the first couple of weeks so many people will be ill from it that no one will take it. Or if you are right then i look forward to being part of a resistance where we fight of these maniacs. It won’t be as easy as they think and… Read more »
They can’t make it compulsory because human rights but they can make normal life impossible.
I’m stocking up big time on essentials, fags, booze, tins of food.
I wish you were right. But everyday people are forcibly held down and injected in psychiatric hospitals in this country…. for their own good. Those detained under the Mental Health Act 1983. Yes, there are laws governing it, but we have seen how easy it is to change the law.
It’s already been changed. It’s worse now!
If you refuse, they can section you, then jab you anway. That’s what all the fuss about the Covid Act should have been about.
Having practised in this area of law, it couldn’t really happen at the moment. Not to say it won’t change. They can only treat your mental disorder with medication, not any physical conditions, and there are quite good safeguards in the law. Personally I don’t think they will ever use the MHA as a means of vaccinating people – I think they will just issue a statutory instrument to Coronavirus Act, or the 1984 Act, on Public Health grounds. Or as others have said, make it nigh on impossible to exist without the certificate of vaccination
There will be enough of us who refuse, who can trade and live amongst each other. We will be excluded from their new normal – good.
Yes, we are now on a war footing and should stock up as you suggest. The government has quietly declared war upon the public and it wants nearly all of us dead. The plethora of unlicensed and intentionally harmful vaccines will be their main weapons and are to be avoided, as if your life depended upon it, which of course it will.
For my money, the way they will work it is to gradually exclude people who decline their jab from everyday life, while pretending it is still “voluntary”.
International travel will be first to go. Ellwood trailed this in Parliament a couple of days ago. Sinister.
We can but hope that the negative side effects of the vaccine show up before we can’t bear it anymore.
I already stated, that maybe this is Gates real, cunning plan: he knows that us enlightened sceptics are the intelligent ones here, which must survive and reproduce, wheras he wants to and will get rid of the stupid sheep that way without them even noticing.
Depends what they need the sheep to do. Robots can’t do everything.
Read Chomsky’s Manufacturing Consent.
He points out that those capable of critical thinking are ushered into ivory towers where they spend their time looking down narrowing funnels of distraction from what’s going on in the real world.
The negative side effects already have, courtesy of Astra Zeneca
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-09-09/astrazeneca-study-halted-after-spinal-cord-issue-nih-chief-says
That is exactly what will happen. It has to be resisted by all manner of means.
Doctors won’t be jabbing you. They intent to recruit a whole army of unqualified jabbers.
Doctors are forbidden by their code of ethics to force treatment on you, which is why they changed the law to allow goons to do it
What code of ethics? The GMC produces what it calls “guidance” which is changed according to the political needs. The Hollywood Hippocratic Oath myth is as real as Jedi knights. Guidance is just that, guidance and neither mandatory nor punishable.
Count me in, Biker. I’m a mere scrap of a lass but by God I’m angry enough to take a cartload of these bastards down with me and I’m force of nature when I’m angry.
The economy will cease to function and even the most avid of mask nazis on high salaries will not be able to buy the basics – because the basics will not be produced!
I wish I could agree. But from what I’m seeing at work we have roughly 75% full compliance (full sheep mode), 20% just going along with it (because who’s it hurting) and may be 5% if I’m being generous who are sceptical. If the rest of the economy is anything like that then it’ll function pretty much as normal…if its ever able to get back on its feet.
Hey Mike, I think it’s a big leap from being a mask zealot to injection of a un-tested vaccine … A significant portion of the 20% above (more like 50% where I am) I suspect will not queue for a vaccine. This is just based on my anecdotal evidence only, of course, but I’ve had a lot of difficult conversations with friends over the past 2 months, and thankfully the only thing we all seem to agree on his the dangerousness of the vaccine.
Now, if people are formally denied services, then that would be another matter (for them, I suspect).
Nobody will be formally denied services. It will be discretionary on the part of the service provider (shop, pub, GP surgery, bus, or whatever) to choose who they wish to do business with.
No proof-of-vaccine. No service. Simples.
They’ll not be rubbing their hands with glee, once the intentionally harmful vaccine kicks in.
In April, I was positive towards taking the vaccine and/as I had normal levels of trust in information, scirntists, politicians, civil servants, health authorities, drug development processes and regulators.
Since April, thanks to all of their refusal to engage constructively with any scientific dissent, that trust has evaporated completely and turned into 100% mistrust. Therefore:
I WILL NOT GET VACCINATED.
That’s good. Maybe you’ll make the leap and become anti all government and distressing of state sponsored “science”. There is a divide between a tiny amount of people like me who want no government whatsoever and fascists like everyone else who supports or uses any form of government. This debacle surely is a wake up alarm to anyone whom thinks their life matters most and government doesn’t think so.
I know several “anarchists” who have completely embraced this bollocks. So disappointed in them.
The “government” is probing re: vaccine uptake; getting MPs and news “reporters” to leak their ideas re: mandatory enforcement … only to gauge the public’s reaction.
I haven’t seen any YouGov polls on the topic yet, but I’m sure they’re on the way.
I suspect the “flu shot for all over 50s” will be the next move – see what the uptake for this is.
Not a fucking chance in hell myself nor my children are taking a Covid-19 vaccine (my wife’s her own person and can make up her own mind).
Lets see them try denying me services, whether essential or not.
Bring it on you bastards!
I’ve seen reports that people getting the flu vaccine at the moment are getting sick and testing positive for Covid.
I’d be interested to read through any links – I’m Zooming with some NAmerica cousins this weekend who are all in favour of masks, vaccines, etc all.
I saw a very depressing message on a family WhatApp group yesterday from my 75 year old aunt in Calgary: “I was sooooo happy today. I went shopping and everyone was wearing a mask. Everyone. Not a face in sight!”
I didn’t have the heart to point out the insidiousness of that statement – she’s gone.
I read it on a FB post by Leath Butler-Smith, the activist: “A young friends family member, who recovered from cancer treatments last year, has been isolating for a long period out of fear. He got his flu jab and is now very poorly. Tested positive for covid.
How?
He’s not been exposed to another person and wore a mask to get his flu jab.
So how?
How is he now sick and labelled as covid when he’s not been near any other humans to contract this?
How?
The answer is rather obvious as the numbers of people becoming unwell after their flu jab are rising.
Flu jab – coronavirus. PCR test picked up coronavirus. QED.
That’s seriously depressing!
Same as in Bergamo then.
No-one should be taking Flu shots as there is a high risk that it will increase susceptibility to SARS-COV2 infection and the severity of COVID-19 symptoms, https://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2020/09/08/will-the-flu-shot-help-with-coronavirus.aspx
Then you not be allowed outside your house
you not be allowed to work
you not be allowed to claim benefits
you will be offered a choice starve or comply
Unless we rebel
Rebel
i’d rather die than claim benefits. People who claim benefits are leeches. They won’t be able to stop me leaving my house nor earn a living. They have only the power you give them and i don’t give them the steam from my piss.
Amen.
And just remember that the makers of this jab will be given legal immunity against any injury claims. That should ring a few alarm bells for starters.
And unlicensed! But those bending over to take the jab wouldn’t know this, or even bother to find out!
That’s all vaccines.
I had this discussion with my wife last night. Tickets went on sale yesterday for a festival next August. We’ve attended previously. I pointed out that we’d probably need vaccination passports to go. She didn’t have a problem with that, but I most certainly do. She thinks I’m cutting off my nose to spite my face.
Once you are locked into these they will soon become an electronic prison. Multiple jabs will be mandated, 24/7 surveillance…then cashless society and CCP style social credit system.
And of course they will be easy money for crony capitalists. You can’t go wrong with a state mandated product!
The following is from: https://childhealthsafety.wordpress.com/2009/05/29/compulsory-vax/ Note 2009. Does anyone know the present position? The WHO has recently stated that sending a child to school signals agreement for the child to be vaccinated. “Thus the UK appears to be on the verge of ‘1984’ style legislation and guidelines in which freedoms are taken away from citizens framed in terms of rights granted. And this has happened without political or public debate, scrutiny or democratic vote. The newly published draft minutes for the JCVI in February disclose that the new status granted it by Health Minister Dawn Primarolo by executive order in January seem designed to tie up with unmentioned provisions in the new National Health Service Constitution. According to the JCVI minutes the new NHS constitution states: ‘You have the right to receive the vaccinations that the Joint Committee on Vaccinations and Immunisation recommend that you should receive under an NHS provided national immunisation programme.’ And: ‘You should participate in important public health programmes such as vaccination.’ The minutes state: ‘The JCVI was pleased the recommendations of the committee would have the force of law behind it. The committee asked for clarification on the constitution including what exactly ‘right’ meant with respect to the right of a child to receive… Read more »
A government in England has threatend it’s people , Boris threatens us with a national lockdown knowing the misery it would inflict.Not to flatten the curve or save the nhs , but a threat I couldent believe it when I heard it , johnson is mad a nut case .he must be removed immediately.
Trump has tested positive for corona I wish him well.
If he is ok and has few symptoms it will be great for our cause.
If he is not they will use it as a stick to beat us with he may be American but how this turns out is very important for us.
Probably given to him by one of child sniffing Joe Bidens handlers. This has been the plan all along. Wait until a few weeks before the election, bump him off and replace him with another company man so they can get back to business as usual. You know the kind of protectionist capitalism that allows the disgusting Chinese to enslave their people, fuck the environment any way they want with their shit goods and to sell them in our communities so none of us can produce and sell to out own people.
Very true
Which lab ran the test? That’s the key.
My thoughts exactly. It’s convenient after he embarrassed Joe in the debate.
Of course, it could also be that he was so incoherent during the debate that they needed an excuse to get him off the air for a while. And if you’re right about “bumping him off”, Mike Pence would be his replacement. A company man for sure, but also a god-fearing type who can’t be alone with a woman unless “Mother” (his wife) is present. So also insane, just like Trump. But the Old Testament Christians in the States would love it. Out of the frying pan and into the fire. And all that stuff about the Chinese enslaving their people, etc., etc., has been going on for what, three decades now, maybe longer. The US corporates sold out their labour forces way back when. US “consumers” got cheap goods from Walmart in exchange. I struggled for years to “buy American-made” (when I was living there) until the last American manufacturing vanished. The Chinese were so impressed with the game that they became merchants to the world. You can blame it all on Richard Nixon – he visited China in 1972, setting up a whole new relationship between China and the West. The Trump virus thing is also another distraction… Read more »
Trump wasn’t incoherent at all during the debate. I blame the EU for allowing the chinks to sell their cheap plastic shit in our communities but overall i blame government for facilitating protectionist capitalism instead of the laissez-faire capitalism. Nothing changes till we get rid of government.
When I was little, the cheap plastic shit came from Hong Kong.
Next it came from Taiwan.
Now it comes from China.
Plus ca change!
It’s not at all that Pence “can’t” be alone with a woman. It’s that he won’t because he knows that a great many of them are untrustworthy snakes who would stitch him up in a heartbeat for a political scalp.
it does seem that both he and his wife are asymptomatic. In which case such a prominent example of a 74 year old man having this “fatal” disease and not actually being ill will do wonders for convincing the great unwashed that covid is not a big issue.
Probably false positives.
I seriously doubt it’s a false positive…. I would expect the due diligence done before announcing something of such gravity would bring a far higher level of certainty than the average test.
The sheer gravity of the announcement, it’s impact on markets etc… they’d have to have a quorum tests from multiple sources and methodologies.
Surely? Right?
That said, I pray for him and wish him well.
If Trump is taken out of the presidential race, the impact on America and the world will be mind-blowing. The smugness of the left will be completely intolerable, and the right could easily take up arms.
Unless… it’s a ploy, precisely to have the effect that mjr mentions.
Few things will propel the sceptic cause more that the 70+ year old, overweight US president being an asymptomatic positive corona case.
False positives are for the plebs. The NFL now has numerous instances of FPs later being negative after further testing.
But still mjr does have a good point, whether false or not.
Well said, mjr! Let’s hope.
Prince Charles had it. He was fine too. Probably a lot fitter than Boris, mind!
A quick course of hydroxychloroquine, at the correct dose, and he’ll be right as rain.
Think your right they use it in france and there desth rate is very low despite all the pos cases
Hydroxychloroquine is a prophylactic, not a treatment and I believe that Trump has been taking it, so I hope it heps.
He’s been saying all along that he has.
As well as using HCQ for prophylaxis the Zelenko protocol – HCQ plus zinc plus azithromycin Seems to have successful in treating Covid if administered within the first few days. It was a gentleman called Anthony Fauci who first wrote about the successful use of HCQ for SARS Cov 1 a decade or so ago. After that, he seems to have become a vaccine convert.
He’s in Uncle Bill’s pocket!
Yes, I heard he was taking it, so the “positive” test seems even more likely to be false.
Its actually a treatment when given with Azq + zinc in the early stages.
It is only effective when given early as found by Dr Zelensky in March, Raoult in April etc, search for Zelensky protocol.
This early effectiveness with zinc is why the NHS test were on hospitslised patients and without zinc.
..and at levels considered to be a overdose, to maximize the likelihood of known, dangerous side effects.
It was manslaughter.
You need to get up to speed on HCQ.
It most certainly is a treatment.
Has strong anti-viral activity. Best used with companion Zinc and / or Azithromycin (if there is any hint of bacterial pneumonia).
HCQ is most effective for mild to moderate viral infection, when the virus is confined to the upper respiratory tract.
Is also used widely as a prophylactic in India.
If it had been available for use in the UK, it would have saved thousands of lives.
Literally hundreds of papers out there and more every week.
I’ve been plugging HCQ treatment since May. Its effectiveness needs to be brought to the attention of the whole population together with the dastardly action of our western ‘governments’ preventing its use for Covid.
In the UK, those responsible for denying its use presumably include Whitty and all 32 of the 34 sage advisors who, I understand, have connections with the Wilful and Malicious Gates Foundation.
Not enough profit in HCQ …..
A pivotal moment. I sense the BBC were pleased to be able to tell us about this.
2 weeks time
BBC R4 Today Programme
Presidential Trump is returning to normal duties and campaigning, 🤔despite Covid ☹
He will take the zinc hydrocholoquine and vitamin d.
Be back in the Oval Office monday
Since he’s over 70 and obese I don’t have high hopes.
Even then he stands a good chance, as is the case with the most deadly virus ever seen
Poeple in their 90s have had covid and recovered.
If it is a routine test, he will be extremely unlikely to experience any symptoms at all, because he is extremely unlikely to have an active infection.
If he was tested because of being Covid-specific symptomatic, then he will already be taking the HCQ, which will clear viral infection in a few days.
Dem dirty business immediately comes to mind as a possibility.
The next debate will have to called ‘Battle of the Basements’.
What he should do is get in front of the camera or webcam every day and tell everybody how well he is, and literally carry on as if nothing is happening on the medical front (which it probably isn’t).
How’s he going to do a second term suffering from Looooonnnnngggg Covid?
Does he have symptoms or has he been tracked&traced?
Better still, is it a ruse so he can bounce back and prove the lurgy isn’t a threat to elderly fatties?
Just saw on the news that Mr Trump has tested positive with Covid.
I hope this succeeds. We need proper scrutiny.
http://r.mail.crowdjustice.co.uk/mk/mr/TPG-8O11UOXrXnDYhHNXBDAgDAeGbWDWevNVlEp-q1sNI_D6Jqig0CsGU1iqH5J-yFbTyQz74F3McSKEo-lgpCr52L5hqPS94uIlK0vmY5ncmGjsedq87g
It won’t succeed. It will gum up the works for a while, and that’s all we can really hope for.
Dirty doings in Parliament. Dodgy law that must not be scrutinised lest its dodginess become apparent and its validity questioned. A demonstration, if ever one were needed, that democracy is a sham and the law is a facade. What on earth are we simple folk to make of it all?
Democracy is a word for people who don’t want control over their own lives. There can be no Government without tyranny. People don’t want to hear it but unless there is no government and every man lives from his own endeavours we will for ever live under the tyranny of pathetic men like Hancock. Any support for government and it’s functions makes you a jack boot wearing facist. I know people won’t be able to accept this but that’s because they are stupid and cowardly and worst of all they’ll be virtuous and say but we need to help people. So i care nothing for any of their laws and fake morals and don’t cooperate in any way. Obviously this requires cunning and knowing what battles to fight and when to blend in after all the democratic people will kick your door in with armed thugs and drag you away to a prison.
That wanker is such a hancock and so is ellwood.
Statists. Statists everywhere. Compliant, gullible sheep.
I’m coming around to the idea that as a society, we deserve everything that is happening to us right now.
It’s unfortunate that the few true resistors are affected by the societal and political malaise, but c’est la vie.
This was a reply to a message that no longer exists. I am able to edit but not delete.
https://youtu.be/03I9C6pCZDc
I think that this has been posted here already. The laboratory found 82 bacterial infections and 4 molds on a face mask that had been worn for 8 hours.
The discussion then talks about the lack of risk assessments in place for mask wearing. I know this only too well as I was in correspondence for weeks with the Dept. Of Transport and my MP, without a satisfactory answer.
The government have a let-out clause in their list of mask exemptions however.
“To avoid harm or injury, either to yourself or others”
That, to me, is a perfect reason not to wear a mask. I don’t want to risk pleurisy, meningitis, streptococcus etc.
Like I’ve said on here before, none of us need to wear a mask.
It’s precisely why I won’t wear one. I watched a video on Utube in a laboratory where they tested masks that had been worn for different amounts of time, it’s like wearing a petri dish! Harmful to our health and goodness knows how many chest infections will be caused this winter.
I read somewhere just recently that the number of respiratory infections for September were WAY higher than normal.
Do you have a link for this?
I searched on the Web and came up with this.
I’m not sure if it is the original article I saw.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8627645/UK-coronavirus-deaths-announced-Friday.html
I read that too but cannot recall where. I visit a lot of websites every day.
Yes, it’s such an obvious catch-all universal get-out clause I do wonder if it was inserted deliberately so as to make muzzle-wearing effectively personal choice.
Trouble is, all those maskoids are spreading those infections by touching their filthy rags then touching door handles, hand rails, key-pads …
PS. And they feel so wise and virtuous doing it. Makes me feel sick.
In our local Co-op the other day, one of the assistants did a massive sneeze into his mask, immediately fiddled with the front of the mask ie pulled it away from his face then repositioned it then calmly carried on restocking the shelf. Nice, I thought.
why not email Coop and complain………
Any shit stirring that gets these people to consider how stupid it all is cannot do any harm
And you will feel much better for doing it
That is truly disgusting!
I sort of realized that was the reason for the easy get out clause, they even publicized it so much Toby linked to where we could buy “exempt” lanyard/cards before it even came into effect. I gave mine away to my infirm neighbour who was being bullied at our GP practice.
Amazon ‘exempt’ lanyard are now just £1.40 so I’ve ordered 5 to give to the deserving.
That’s a good idea!
I read the DT this morning , it would seem the government trolls are out in force berating those who haven’t downloaded the app.
If these muzzles were so effective in stopping the spread, then there’d be ‘hazardous waste’ bins all over the place, with people in hazmat suits emptying them frequently. When can we expect to see THAT happening?
The harm or distress exemption IS the government’s get out clause. They can say, “Ahhhh well we do have exemptions” so they aren’t compulsory. A teflon legal raincoat.
As witnessed in restaurant last night. People sitting eating finger food burgers ribs etc and then donning mask to go to the toilet, taking it off and putting it in pocket. Made me feel Tom n dick.
How the fuck am I going to catch an infectious virus when I’m doing a poo but won’t catch it when I’m sitting at my table. (Btw I don’t do a poo in pubs or restaurants but you get my drift)
I despair, as already posted my pal is all for them and the science in his opinion backs it up when in fact he is a virtuous signalling twat who I think wouldn’t hesitate in grassing anybody up for not following the rules. A couple of months ago he was all hugs and kisses last night it was elbow bumps as it’s the right thing to do.
That made me laugh, not doing a poo in restaurants!. I want to know if dwarfs are exempt from this stupid rigmarole in pubs, seeing as the virus only seems to get people when they stand up to their full height but not whilst sitting. This is not me making fun of people with short stature, but taking the piss out of the never ending inane rulings this shower of a government has come up with.
There was a suggestion that the reason children don’t get the virus is due to their lack of height. There needs to be an urgent study of dwarfs to determine if they are less susceptible to it.
Actually, wearing a mask in a toilet is especially disgusting, because when it flushes, there will be particles (including shit and piss) sprayed into the air that land on the mask…. for these dipshits to breath in repeatedly.
That’s what I’ve been telling colleagues if they do come up to me to complain how they’re feeling uncomfortable having to be muzzled up for 7 hours. One of them made a “ewwww” face when I told her about the German test which yielded 80 bacteria and 4 fungi in a mask that had been worn for 8 hours
Give it another few weeks, I won’t be surprised if colleagues develop impetigo, chest infections, colds, pleurisy and call in sick,
I saw a patient yesterday who had impetigo across their nose, just where the mask was. Although they denied going out much and wearing a mask.
That would have definitely been due to mask wearing. Early this week I saw that one of my colleague’s face was in a rather nasty shade of green where the mask was.
Excellent!
Fauci is already on to it and has demanded that the international community raise $100B to address the issue of mask-related facial discolouration (MRFD).
He commented; ‘Faces will not revert to the old normal colour, until we have a vaccine.’
impetigo, that’s really infectious….Excellent
It can be unpleasant – had a very small patch of this years ago, even in a place that would be clothed the GP did recommend self isolation, not long, only a few days max. but yes, it can be nasty & in some cases very easily infectious!
my correspondence with Aldi (see blogs passim) about staff being forced to wear a mask on the shop floor was due to one of the chaps there having a rash across his lower face that he said was due to mask wearing
Fingers crossed!
The number one counter to this argument of bacterial, fungal growth, and the concentration of expelled viral particles in a dirty face mask is this:
That isn’t a problem if the mask is worm “properly” and changed regularly.
I hear this a lot.
It’s bollocks but that’s what the normies say.
Problem is the mask brigade only wear them for a few minutes each time so they do not see the negatives or danger, although I suppose taking them off and on again regularly and stuffing them in pockets and wearing the same one over and over is not healthy.
I often wonder if they caught sight of themselves in a mirror they would see what a twat they look as well but then again covid trumps all critical thinking.
Jenny Harries pointed this out to Boris, ages ago, stating that they should not be worn outside a sterile environment.
How many people
No one is the answer. I have worn one twice for 5 mins and each time I simply yanked at it and pulled it away from my face.
Not seen Harries recently – has she been sidelined? Paid off?
I’ve been wondering about that too.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/09/30/matt-cartoons-october-2020/
Matt is almost worth buying the Telegraph again, nah I’ll wait for the Xmas collection.
Matt’s the main reason I subscribe.
One of the most depressing things about the events of this year is the way the sheer scale of the vicious nastiness that has been triggered contrasts with the relative triviality of the cause. If the world had faced a genuinely serious disease – something like the fantasy if the coronapanic zealots of a disease as infectious as the flu and as deadly as ebola, then perhaps the brutality of the coronapanic fanatics could be understood and excused.
But we are left to contemplate the fear-driven, authoritarian mobs bullying people into mask-wearing and vaccine-taking while coldly sacrificing lives and jobs to their crusade, for such a small thing, in global terms.
Another take on the basic banality of evil.
To be fair I’ve not come across authoritarian mobs bullying people into mask wearing, just bovine looking sadsters wondering why I’m not wearing one.
There was considerable discussion yesterday about whether we were self isolating rather than face the maskoids. I’m still out and about as much as in the olden days with no problems.
Except today as I can’t work so I’m going to hit the bottle, I try to avoid posting at such times since it only leads to embarrassment. Have a good day everyone 🥳
Have one for me and have a good day! 👍
Cheers.
Have you not visited Twitter?
No, I’m not on Twitter, if I access links from here it only shows the first few comments
CD see it as a new cult like religion as secular virtue such as post enlightenment thinking which lead to communism and fascism. A vast need for virtue, some purpose, commonality and – however repressive -leadership.
Boris thinks he’s Churchill saving the British people from the Virus but it’s the Virus that will never surrender. Boris has surrendered to the dark shawdowy people who have the photos of the barely legal girls, the cocaine and whatever else it is
He launch a crusade against the weather next, oops second thoughts that’s already been done.
But he looks like Hitler in ‘Downfall.’
Oddly enough a certain Mr B Gates was a passenger on that jet…
https://realconservativesunite.com/2019/10/15/bill-gates-was-much-closer-to-jeffrey-epstein-than-he-initially-let-on/?doing_wp_cron=1601630518.8114130496978759765625
Maybe it was because he liked old 727s…
Yep, the photos are out there..
Apparently the reason Corbyn tripped over the rule of six is because he asked Diane Abbott to do the seating plan.
Mail comment
“Ms Abbot explained that the party of eight was actually two groups of five each”
*snork*
love it! thanks for making me laugh on a rainy day!! 🙂
Have just read on the bbc news site that a leaked document has told doctors in the west midlands to prepare for corona vaccination as early as early November.
Hancock must know this the question is who would risk it. not me , il back my own immune system thank u very much.
Might explain why Hancock is so bullish about keeping restrictions he will claim he saved us all with the vaccine!@
There will be plenty of maskoids queuing up up to get vaccinated if it lets them off lockdown rules, idiots.
Hancock and Johnson should be first in the queue along with their families, then all parliament and civil service and their families, the HoL and their families, the NHS workers and their families, the BBC and Sky and their families, the Royals, Megan and her consort, BEFORE I would even consider it.
They will all get placebos, on TV.
The only way to make sure that they get the real one is to administer the shots in filmed groups of say 50 people, where the syringes are allocated randomly and the celebrity’s one is swapped again randomly just before injecting him/her.
Reminds when the little girl of the MP did not want to eat the burger offered by her daddy during BSE.
John Selwyn Gummer… do you know how many people swore to never vote for the Tories again that year? About 80% of the ones who voted for them last year would be my guess.
You know what – if it’s your choice, then I’m all in favour of “you” queuing and getting a Covid-19 vaccination … go for it!
And I genuinely would not want anyone taking the vaccine to suffer any harmful side-effects – I hope it works for them! Why wouldn’t I?
But FFS, respect my right to not take the vaccine. That’s all!
And don’t you flippin dare try to say to me: “Well, taking the Covid-19 vaccine isn’t about protecting you, it’s about protecting those around you.” I WILL go postal.
Informed consent. Repeat this at all turns.
This kind of leaked information, is exactly what the nudge twats need to gauge their next move.
Is it not likely to have been leaked by the nudge twats ?
Placebo or else it’s an old document. They had hoped back in april there would be one available.
Noted that someone has been killed attempting world land speed record at Yorkshire venue
Clearly any death is shocking and so the venue must be closed and attempting land speed records must be made illegal .
Well, that is HandJob’s covid philosophy.
In the same article it mentions that “On Sunday, Jason Liversidge, who has motor neurone disease, set a world speed record in his custom-made electric wheelchair.”
Good for him …. That is the approach to risk that we all accept and want to see.
It’s a hell of a way to go, chapeau to him.
“A vaccine is often seen as the holy grail that will end the pandemic. “
I’m amazed there isn’t more discussion of the problems with the “rescue cavalry”. The flu vaccine is widely available and difficult to produce and it doesn’t stop the flu spreading. Nor does it reduce hospitalisations or people dying from the flu much, if at all.
And if people believe catching the virus doesn’t produce “antibodies” or protect for very long how is a vaccine supposed to work any better?
Some articles explaining the limitations of the flu vaccine are in order. They’re not a magic bullet.
I recommend that anyone interested in the efficacy of the vaccines currently being trialled read this article:
Covid-19 Vaccine Protocols Reveal That Trials Are Designed To Succeed
Would definitely agree people should read that article, but just in case you don’t I’ll summarise a little of it here:
Forbes looks at the published vaccine trial protocols from Moderna, Pfizer, AstraZeneca, and Johnson & Johnson.
Given that the likes of Hancock, Johnson, Whitty, Vallance as well as a whole host of others are, in their words and actions, creating a barrier to any sort of normality before a vaccine rides to the rescue, I’m hoping that people start to ask questions about what exactly it is that the vaccine will do.
Thanks that’s a useful summary
The flu vaccine does not stop a person getting the flu, it is meant to mitigate against severe symptoms or death. The formulation for 65+ is different due to the changes in the immune system as we age.
I suspect people will be told to get out every year SMH
They do studies each year to analyse the effectiveness of the flu vaccines. I’ve seen some quoted in recent years that it’s been as low as 10% as its pretty much guesswork as they try and track the mutations.
Also, because there appears to have been a mild flu season in the southern hemisphere, they’ve supposedly struggled to prepare an adequate one this year.
All just skim reading stuff.
Here’s a starter:-
https://www.jeremyrhammond.com/2020/05/15/beware-of-flu-shot-misinformation-from-your-health-care-provider/
For any people still unsure about the ‘vaccine’ then this podcast would be a good start to listen to, about 20-30mins in. It terrifies me that so many people I know would be lining up to get this, just with some vague assuarance that ‘its safe and effective’ and will protect them from a virus they are unlikely to even know they’ve had. Sheep.
https://podcasts.apple.com/gb/podcast/the-richie-allen-show/id1090284266?i=1000492984893
There are good explanations about the pitfalls of those vaccines, and in particular the Oxford one, by Clemrns Arvay at RPP online and Prof. Hockertz at Punkt.Preradovic in German.
No one who listens to that would touch those vaccines with a
bargepole.
Vaccinating anyone with them against their will is a crime.
Vaccinating anyone healthy below the age of 75 carries a negative risk reward balance for that person and would as such also be reckless and stupid.
On JHB (Talk Radio) she is discussing the Trump news with Jonathan Gerlis who is a mask advocate. And they are trying to say that “see, Trump wasn’t wearing a mask and this happens” as if this is now proof to all the anti-mask wearers. Gerlis even said that.
The mind fucking boggles. Clearly after all this time and the many many months that Trump never wore a mask and didn’t get sick are all ignored.
To their credit they did say that it could a false positive.
But that guy Gerlis is just an idiot.
There is a good chance Trump is using this to stay off the radar for a couple of weeks…then pop up closer to the election. Keeps him physically out of the line of fire for a while. Also, he can praise hydroxychloroquine for keeping him safe.
why the fuck would trump want to stay off the radar? What kind of lefty troll are you pal? I’m reading your posts and you come over as a snake. I can see what you’re doing. Fuck off back to the Icke videos his intellect is much more suitable for a mind as banal as yours
Complete fools. Trump will have to have loads of meetings in secure locations (not outside) and it would I am sure be impossible to keep them under 15 minutes, after which personal risk increases. He isn’t one for hiding behind a computer, to which I applaud. Cloth muzzles are an irrelevance.
The thrust of Radio 4 Today 8 o’clock news and the subsequent interviews is that Trump has got cv because they don’t wear muzzles in the Whitehouse.
The BBC news needs to be defunded.
More superstitious nonsense.
The suggestion would be that only non mask wearers catch the virus or they’re tempting fate by not wearing one.
People that do wear masks don’t deserve to catch it.
Well as William Munny (Clint Eastwoods character in Unforgiven) would put it:
“Deserve’s got nothing to do with it”
JHB has always been anti-Trump – she doesn’t even try to be neutral..
Christ. They had to get that in didn’t they.
Roll out any of the NHS staff who’ve tested positive which has resulted in 500 of their close contacts being off work at a time of high demand. I bet they wear masks. Da fuk is wrong with people.
Reading the government’s patronising twattle in reply (at 10,000 signatures) of the petition
https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/323442
shows what we’re up against with this bunch.
The problem is all those other vaccinations it mentions went through years of testing before being rolled out to the population. A rushed COVID vaccination that is only being tested in fit and healthy people, and not even to anyone in the most vulnerable age group, does not even compare to those other vaccinations.
My frail 81 year old mother in law would die of fear of a mandatory vaccination before actually getting it and then very likely dying of it.
Many people have strong allergic reactions to vaccines.
Mandatory vaccinations for such people are not just a crime and negligent homicide, but murder.
I went to the link in order to sign . . . but I have already signed! I’ve lost count of the petitions I’ve signed recently.
So hypocritical scottish MP ignores isolation guidelines and catches 2 trains and visits parliament.
So how is track and trace dealing with this?.
Has everyone on both trains been contacted and told to isolate (capacity of around 500 on a west coast Pendolino – 50 per carriage but she might have gone to the buffet).
And given the hanging around at Euston and Glasgow Central maybe they should be contacting everyone who was also waiting for another train.
More importantly, are MPs and House of Commons employees also being contacted and being told to isolate. ?
And will she be prosecuted?
This is my MP so I’m watching with interest (and ill concealed glee). Sturgeon is fizzing so I reckon MF is for the chop. I’m hoping I get the chance to vote for a new MP soon.
your next MP ?
LOL. Probably.
And did she have the ooooh so wonderful NHS T&T app downloaded and bluetooth enabled?? Should be a good test to see if it’s actually any use.
In my opinion she was bit bloody stupid to travel when she was feeling unwell and having had a test but not the results.
If she had not downloaded the app, questions should be asked as to why. If plebs are expected to do so then why should MPs not have to?
Separate apps North and South of the border. I assume they’re not compatible? Thanks to the wonders of devolution.
Sturgeon sacked her because she’s one of the pro-Salmond awkward squad.
Did she wear a mask on the train?
No end to Covid19 until a vaccine – this seems to be the mantra of the globalists:
https://oilprice.com/Energy/Crude-Oil/Oil-Prices-Slide-As-OPEC-Opens-The-Valves.html
‘…It is the vaccine that OPEC has pointed to in a meeting on Thursday as the lynchpin to stabilizing the oil market and swiften “the pace of economic recovery.”
https://www.opec.org/opec_web/en/press_room/6130.htm
‘.HE Barkindo [OPEC secretary General] added that today’s meeting focuses on addressing “uncertainties and factoring in the changing dynamics of the time, as the world grapples with that invisible opponent, COVID-19, and its knock-on effects. We will especially emphasize market developments and prospects.”
“We remain cautiously optimistic about the oil market’s recuperation, even as the world continues to battle COVID-19 resurgences and clusters,” he said, adding, “large uncertainties and risks will continue to destabilize the oil market and affect the pace of economic recovery” until an effective vaccine is found…’
Don’t they know that the oil and gas industry is non-viable in the new green utopia planned for after the great reset?
One suspects the new green utopia is very much just for us, not for the ‘elite’.
Tedros has tweeted that the UK’s NHS has now committed to carbon zero….
Should be achievable if they reduce patients treated to zero.
After the disastrous presidential debate, is anyone surprise that Trump has had a positive PCR test result back from the lab, effectively putting him off the campaign trail, and, I’d assume, cancelling future debates?
In my view, the presidential debates are irrelevant. After the first one the other day, Trump’s odds moved out slightly (they had already been drifting out before that) but the US markets moved only slightly. The key debate is the vice presidential one, between Kamala Harris and Mike Pence. Most Americans know that the reality is vote Biden, almost certainly get Harris, or vote Trump with a possibility of getting Pence.
I have to admit that, as a total Lockdown Sceptic, the fact that Trump has caught it makes me pause for thought. It can be a virulent bugger and, if you’re old, unfit and overweight (like Trump) then it must be a cause for real worry. How will it progress? It seems to me Boris hasn’t recovered yet from his tussle with it. While I’m a big supporter of just about everything I read on here, it is sobering sometimes to consider what we’re up against.
Anyone know if he is actually sick, or just a positive test?
Looks like its a positive test only so far.
I just read the BBC report on this, it seems that Hope Hicks, his aide who is 32 has symptoms and has tested positive. As Mr and Mrs Trump spend a lot of time with HH, they took tests and are now also both positive. No news on whether they are actually experiencing symptoms, although the BBC report talks about them being in 14 days quarantine “recovering”.
Trump is on HCQ, will he actually develop symptoms?
Exactly. I expect Trump and his wife to be fine.
There is also the possibility that his result was a false positive, or that someone who wants him out of the race and unable to do all the planned rallies, switched his test result with someone else’s…
It would be great if he brushes off the infection and carries on campaigning. It will be terrible if he becomes very sick. But I suspect many, led by the MSM, will reverse those observations.
With Boris I suspect he has recovered from Covid but its likely that he’s having mental health issues as well (i.e. depression). Many blogs have alluded to his financial problems due to his divorces, having to pay child support and over all penury. If that’s on his mind then perhaps that’s the reason why he’s not really in control 100% and has been making questionable decisions.
Much like Eden and his chronic health problems which impaired his judgement in the run up to the Suez crisis.
Boris’s problem is that he has suddenly found life is not as easy or fun as it was. A tragedy that comes to us all sooner or later with the results we see.
My money is that he didn’t have it in the first place and it was in fact alcoholism.
There’s no way that if he was that ill and in intensive care on a ventilator that he would be doing press ups just a couple of weeks later. You would be resting for weeks after an experience like that.
The correct response to the Trump news is to pray for him, it’s a bugger of a sickness for a fat 70 something man. We shouldn’t pretend that Covid is nothing, we should just be sceptical that lockdowns help. I suspect that the President of the USA is the most protected, locked down person in the whole world, but the virus doesn’t give a shit about lockdown so what are you going to do?
don’t worry he has a cupboard full of HCQ
You are making assumptions about Trump’s health that don’t really stack up. Age with pre-existing conditions is where this virus is virulent, not just old age. Trump is slightly overweight but not unfit, he is very active, without pre-existing illness. Johnson was a similar weight to Trump 17st but a much smaller man, he was obese and admits it fully.
Trump doesn’t smoke or drink (never has).
Trump doesn’t believe in exercise, so don’t know how fit he can be if he doesn’t do anything.
No-one has ever denied that the virus exists, or that it cannot make people ill, or in some cases kill them.
The point is, So what? Viruses do that. You don’t destroy your country every time one comes round. And this one is obviously no worse than many others that we have lived through.
What we’re up against is our government, and the same goes for most countries across the world.
Lyndon B Johnson had the Hong Kong flu in 1968, but continued. Frank Borman, Apollo 8 astronaut contracted it from LBJ and became unwell when 250000 miles from Earth. In the USA they have the 25th amendment which passes temporary executive responsibility from the president to the Vice President in the event of the president being incapacitated.
Why would I be worried for Trump testing positive for Coronavirus when you or I wouldn’t even have given him a second thought if we’d learned he had the flu? Guess which one is killing more people right now?
LOL – Trump will come bouncing out of this full of energy and orangeness making the bedwetters look like bedwetters and Biden looking weak
Also Trump will be a great advert for HCQ….
Hope so, I’ve got quite a bit of money on him.
Covid 19 is a common cold coronavirus.
All common cold viruses are lethal to the elderly, infirm, immunocompromised and obese, more so than influenza.
Mr Johnson was clinically obese.
‘Unexpectedly Higher Morbidity and Mortality of Hospitalized Elderly Patients Associated with Rhinovirus Compared with Influenza Virus Respiratory Tract Infection’
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5343795/
We have a leader who has just gone through a messy divorce, re-married, has a young child, moved house, fought an election and is supposed to be running the country.
Madness….the men in white coats should have a word….only one needed….resign…
It would not just be in the country’s best interests, but in the best interests of his own physical and mental health, and that of his old and new family.
“we lockdown sceptics must keep pressing our argument that none of these measures are warranted or proportionate”
No. We must sue, take to the streets in droves, fight vigorously and resist ANY form of mandatory vaccination and ANY form of discrimation because of a refusal to get vaccinated, ASAP, from the start and including physical resistance.
Simon Dolan will probably take this up.
Any crime lawyers or desk Sergeants here ?
A perfectly sensible young lady tells me that her sister’s stupid boyfriend recently got done for drink driving (no collateral damage).
His lawyer has told him (her words so probably garbled in transmission )
“When you go to court bring an overnight bag because you are seven year convict because of Covid”*
Meaningless I know but is there anything to suggest that ‘ordinary’ crime is Aggravated because doing it in the time of Covid?
Any info would be appreciated but I won’t be replying until late tomorrow morning because I’m on the sauce for the rest of the day.
* checked for typos.
Year ban normally.no special measures for Covid that I know of
Sounds like he needs a new lawyer.
I have checked this with a very credible source within the legal establishment. I sent your text and asked if it was true. Here is the response: “Of course it is not true. Certain crimes are classed as having aggravating features such as attacks on emergency workers where the defendant spits or coughs over them and claims to have Covid. Fewer people are going to prison at the moment following the ruling in R v Manning.” The response was accompanied by the sentencing guidelines which I won’t reproduce here. However, to summarise, for the most serious cases where the individual was drunk (there is no upper limit to the amount of alcohol in breath, blood or urine) the maximum penalty is an unlimited fine and up to six month in prison plus a driving ban of between 29 and 36 months (for a first offence). For lower amounts of alcohol (and there is a sliding scale, so I’m only giving the upper band here), that is <119 microgrammes (breath), <275 ml (blood), <366ml (urine) the maximum penalty is a community order plus disqualification for up to 28 months. Lower alcohol levels result in lesser penalties. So, if that’s what… Read more »
Very helpful, thank you for taking the trouble
From my experience, it is the opposite. Crimes not being logged as crimes because the police think the courts won’t process them. This includes threats to rape and chop up a colleague.
Funnily enough I bumped into my dentist yesterday on a train and he was scathing about NHS dentistry. He said that hospitals weren’t accepting children who needed general anaesthetic for difficult treatments, so abscesses were being left untreated in small children, who are being left in distress. He said that if he had left a child untreated 6 months ago he would have rightly been up in front of the General Dental Council within 24 hours and now it’s fine.
He also claimed that at the start of the pandemic, the NHS told dentists that they would honour the contracts and that dentists should try and do at least 20% of treatments. Worse, because my dentist has about 10% of his patients on NHS, the NHS stopped him from seeing any patients at all for ages. Now NHS dentists take 20% as the standard working day while private dentists are busier than ever. He says one cheeky bastard NHS dentist sends his patients round the corner to the private dentist to avoid work. NHS dentistry has completely crashed, and Whitty is deluded if he thinks it is open for business.
So abscesses were being left untreated in small children, who are being left in distress.
This, like many other things, is evil. And on Wednesday our MPs voted for all of this to continue. No. All of this has to stop. All of it.
The UK surely has the most incompetent government worldwide that dealt with Corona.
And its biggest idiocy and crime was to turn all branches of the health service into Covid only, and then keeping it stuck like this 9 months in, without any idea going forward too.
Dentists took a 2-4 week break in Germany, since then, it’s completely back to normal for them, no full PPE idiocy either.
Not a single chemotherapy or cancer screen was missed.
Tne main problem was and is the reluctance of truly sick (cardio) bedwetters to go and see their doctor.
Mortality is lower, mainly because fewer routine operations are undertaken, leading to less hospital deaths through their complications, like sepsis and bacterial infections.
Only the non-private mental health wards are all full for months in
advance, solely thanks to the stupid, unnecessary and harmful lockdowns.
I cannot speak for other countries about their political class but ours is certainly the absolute pits. I believe it comes from having one of the oldest parliaments, corruption is endemic. I don’t know what the answer is but the system is rotten to the core but evidently better than tyranny, oh hold on a minute that is precisely what we now have. 🙄
Majority of dentists in Russia didn’t close at all. For about 4 weeks they only did emergency treatment not just pulling out teeths like here but proper treatments.
They were back to normal without extra PPE since May.
Where is humanity gone?
Why don’t NHS dentists lobby the government to open normally? If private dentists are working then why not NHS?
Perhaps the NHS and Government should bear in mind their own slogan “Do no harm” because that is precisely what they are doing. Deliberately harming us by withholding medical treatment and enforcing mask wearing, in addition to the mental torture of these restrictive Covid regs.
It also comes from having an NHS.
Other countries with Social Insurance Healthcare do not have these problems, the people have a choice.
The Stalinist structure of the NHS is why they are so aghast at people being allowed to choose, bypass the GP etc.
I’d agree that the days of NHS dentistry are numbered. I had a check up last week and I need a filling replaced but my dentist said they aren’t currently providing the treatment on the NHS. I asked how long he thought it would be before NHS treatment was available again and he couldn’t say. “It’s in the hands of the Scottish Government and Scottish Dental Association” he said. He also said that 8 weeks ago he was telling patients treatment would be available in 8 weeks. I opted to pay for the treatment privately but I know not everyone is fortunate enough to be able to do so.
Reading between the lines of the conversation with my dentist, I think that NHS dentistry will become victim to cost cutting with only the most basic treatment available going forward.
Government policy is virus suppression until there is a vaccine.
The question that must BE ASKED .and no one has is.
What happens if there isn’t a vaccine for a year? 2 years 6 years never.
How long will the government keep the restrictions going forever!
Please please someone ask , be it an Mp , a journalist Maybe Toby.
But it must be asked and answered Asp.
Yesterday Pfizer reported side effects from its phase III trail, as did Moderna the day before. So far, side effects look similar to those reported by the Oxford vaccine phase I/II in July, but of course, that was before there were two pauses for apparent transverse myelitis (one supposedly undiagnosed MS). Dr Scott Gottlieb, former head of the FDA, and a non-exec board member of Pfizer, has said that next autumn at the earliest for a vaccine. I read that as likely never!
Side effects don’t matter and the vaccine doesn’t need to work they just want the ID cards and social credit system that will be introduced with it
👍. Correct. That’s the real reason.
Exactly – that is the real agenda.
Maybe why Sweden is being left alone by the WHO for the time being..
Yes I was wondering about that too. Sweden currently leads the world in electronic chipping of their citizens. Moonshot – where have I heard that before?
“The microchips were pioneered by former body piercer Jowan Österlund, who calls the technology a “moonshot” — and who told Fortune magazine that he’s been hit up by hopeful investors “on every continent except Antarctica.” “Tech will move into the body,” the Biohax International founder told the mag. “I am sure of that.” From July 2019.
https://nypost.com/2019/07/14/swedish-people-are-getting-chip-implants-to-replace-cash-credit-cards/
What if Covid20, 21, 22ff come up and are even more deadly and infectious?
(Only) Tegnell asked and answered those questions.
Theyv got Tegnell , web got Hancock, god help us
When was that?
I believe the virus will fizzle out long before a vaccine is available.
The question is then ‘at what point does the government accept its over?’
It was over in June as far as I am concerned. This second wave is a nothingburger. Still less covid deaths than flu. But I expect this second ripple to fizzle out as it gets the 10 or 20% that the first wave missed due to lockdown etc.
If the government would give us a number then we can plan. Is 1 death really too many? Why not pursue a zero-suicide policy instead? Or a zero-treatable cancer policy?
Agree its fizzled out in london probably cos they have some sort of herd immunity trouble is lockdowns stop the people up north getting it
In the south west it has not happened yet, and given the numbers of visitors over the summer it seems unlikely that it will.
Putting my neck on the block here but sunshine and pale skins equals better levels of vitamin D and hence good immune systems?
Also: higher humidity, I read somewhere.
Yes, I think like Stockholm, lots of Londoners going on ski trips in February half-term may have ‘upped’ the cases. Lockdown after that prevented herd immunity becoming as widespread in other parts of the country.
If we tested using the same methodology as in March and April, it would certainly be over now.
I’d be more concerned if a “silver bullet” vaccine does turn up in 6 months, in record time, possibly with a few short-cuts taken on the safety testing.
Plus, let’s not forget, they are already contemplating using an unlicensed vaccine on all of us:
https://www.gov.uk/government/consultations/distributing-vaccines-and-treatments-for-covid-19-and-flu
Bill G says things will not be ‘normal’ till 2022, which *just happens to* fit with the date given in the EU documents for the rolling out of vaccine passports…
https://ec.europa.eu/health/sites/health/files/vaccination/docs/2019-2022_roadmap_en.pdf
Until the public become so pissed off, tired and confused, they will just let you do anything to get their lives back, including letting you off the hook for the biggest fuck up of all time.
That seems to be a neat summary of the current Government ‘strategy’.
Oh, there will be a vaccine don’t doubt it. If we’re lucky it’ll be no more than distilled water pretending to be a vaccine: the sheep will take it an be reassured and the clown government will claim ‘victory’ over the virus. On the other hand it may be a real vaccine – Gates’ genetically modifying poison perhaps – improperly tested, and carrying Heavens know what avoidable risks. That road leads to Hell.
My old Ma always used to say “the road to Hell is paved with good intentions”, to which I’d add: and the signposts on that road are erected by those who take such ‘good intentions’ on good faith.