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Did AIDS Hysteria Prefigure Covid Hysteria?

Today we’re publishing an original contribution to one of the most interesting sections on the right-hand side: “How Have We Responded to Previous Pandemics?” This one is by veteran science and medical correspondent Neville Hodgkinson, who covered the AIDS pandemic for the Sunday Times. He sees depressing parallels between the hysterical over-reaction to that pandemic and the over-reaction to this one, with the same misallocation of resources.
Here’s an extract:
One of the consequences, as now, was a huge misallocation of money to the detriment of genuine medical need. A 1993 report from the University of Northumbria Business School, to which Stewart contributed, found that for each AIDS death, health authorities were spending an average of £290,000 on HIV prevention and research, compared with £50 for each death from heart disease. Many UK health regions had considerably more AIDS workers than patients.
Whereas in 1985 a Royal College of Nursing report predicted that one million people in Britain would have AIDS in six years “unless the killer disease is checked”, the actual cumulative, year-on-year, total of AIDS cases by 1990 was still below 5,000. Today, AIDS kills fewer Britons than die from falling down stairs. Even those deaths might have been avoided if the true nature of the condition had been recognised.
Stewart’s findings and recommendations also remained unpublished by the WHO. It was not until June 2008, 25 years after the panic over AIDS began, that the organisation finally admitted the threat of a world pandemic among heterosexuals was over, though it continued to maintain that sub-Saharan Africa was being devastated by the disease.
In fact, Africa was and is one of the biggest victims of the illusions around AIDS, as I found when Andrew Neil, then editor of The Sunday Times, sent me there in 1993 to find out what was happening. My reports, showing that scarce resources were being misdirected to an imaginary epidemic created by an unvalidated “HIV” test, got the scientific and medical establishment in the UK into a frenzy but were never refuted.
How can scientists, who we look to with so much respect, get things so wrong? The answer is that they are human beings, just like the rest of us.
One of the key lessons that could have been drawn from the AIDS debacle is that there is no such holy grail as “the data” or “the science” demanding a particular course of action, contrary to the repeated claims by the Prime Minister and his Health Secretary. It’s how the data are interpreted that is important, and in this regard the Government is receiving a very one-sided and out-of-date perspective.
One of the most startling points Hodgkinson makes is that many of the protagonists in the British and American Government’s response to the Covid crisis are the same people – or are linked to the same organisations – that led the worldwide fight against AIDS.
These include Anthony Fauci, the “AIDS Czar”, who as head of the US National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases has presided over an era in which several hundred billion dollars have been spent on AIDS research and treatment, including a completely futile but continuing search for a vaccine.
Another is Sir Roy Anderson, the current Professor of Infectious Disease Epidemiology at Imperial College, London. He co-authored an influential, 150-page Royal Society study, published in September 1989, analysing the AIDS epidemic and making predictions about future spread. The other main author was Sir David Cox, professor of statistics at Imperial for more than 20 years, now long since retired.
The predictions were wrong, as demonstrated by an 8,000-word analysis first submitted to the society in September 1990 by the late Professor Gordon Stewart, one of its most distinguished members, with a lifetime’s work in public health.
The error, he said, came about because the statistical model used rested on two false assumptions. The first of these was that the essential cause of AIDS was HIV; and the second was that the virus was already spreading heterosexually, beyond the original susceptible groups of homosexual men with multiple sexual partners, and drug addicts, and would cause a global pandemic.
This is a fascinating piece from a journalist who is witnessing the mistakes the authorities are making in response to the current pandemic and has seen it all before.
Worth reading in full.
When Will the Government Treat Us Like Grown-ups?

The BBC continues its infantile campaign against the concept of herd immunity, failing to explain (as Professor Sunetra Gupta does here) that it is a perfectly ordinary scientific term (if clumsy from a PR perspective), the basis of how vaccines protect a population, and is the only realistic endpoint of an epidemic where (as in this case) elimination is unrealistic and unjustifiably costly.
BBC News reports that it has obtained, via a Freedom of Information request, every email sent by Sir Patrick Vallance and Chris Whitty from the start of February to the start of June containing the words “herd immunity”. They appear to be trying to get the pair in trouble for ever having thought (back when they still spoke some sense) that herd immunity was worth talking about.
At the start of the pandemic, the Government’s Chief Scientific Adviser, Sir Patrick Vallance, spoke about “herd immunity” – the idea that once enough of a population had been exposed to the virus, they would build up natural immunity to it. [LS Fact Check: Herd immunity according to Oxford Languages is the “resistance to the spread of a contagious disease within a population that results if a sufficiently high proportion of individuals are immune to the disease, especially through vaccination”. It does not require people to be “exposed to the virus”, as the BBC claims, as they could have T-Cell cross-immunity or be vaccinated.]
Sir Patrick and the Government have both insisted this was never official policy. The Government also denies there was any delay in locking down the country, as some critics have suggested.
Emails obtained by the BBC reveal the alarm among the Government’s top scientific advisers at the reaction to Sir Patrick’s words.
In one email from March, Sir Patrick asks for help to “calm down” academics who have expressed anger at his repeated references to herd immunity and the delays in announcing a lockdown.
The emails show “herd immunity” began to appear after Vallance’s media round on March 13th:
“Our aim,” he told BBC Radio 4’s Today programme that morning, is to “try and reduce the peak – not suppress it completely, also because most people get a mild illness, to build up some degree of herd immunity whilst protecting the most vulnerable”.
To many, his words appeared an unequivocal endorsement of herd immunity. They also appeared to explain the Government’s reluctance to order the kind of lockdowns and social distancing measures that were already in place in many other countries, despite cases increasing and worrying scenes in hospitals in Italy.
Speaking to Sky News on the same day, Sir Patrick talked about not suppressing the virus completely, to help avoid “a second peak”, and also to “allow enough of us who are going to get mild illness to become immune to this”.
When asked how much of the British population would need to contract the virus for herd immunity to become effective, he calmly replied “probably around 60%”.
With an approximate 1% case fatality rate, the interviewer responded, that would mean “an awful lot of people dying”. [LS Fact Check: the BBC is confusing the case fatality rate with the infection fatality rate.]
At the time, there was no strong evidence that being infected by coronavirus would result in long-lasting immunity.
The following day, a group of more than 500 academics published a joint letter, criticising the lack of social distancing restrictions imposed by the Government, adding that “going for ‘herd immunity’ at this point does not seem a viable option, as this will put the NHS at an even stronger level of stress, risking many more lives than necessary”.
In an email to Sir Mark Walport, the UK’s former Chief Scientific Adviser, discussing the scientists’ letter, Sir Patrick suggests the message in response should be “herd immunity is not the strategy. The strategy is to flatten the curve… and to shield the elderly… As we do this we will see immunity in the community grow”.
Sir Patrick appears clearly rattled by the backlash to his use of the phrase.
Add a sprinkle of Neil Ferguson alarmist modelling on March 16th and that’s how we got into this mess, as Government ministers and their scientific advisers caved to the mob over the following fortnight.
The same stunt was pulled on Anders Tegnell in Sweden, who has also had to deny that herd immunity was ever an aim, despite emails surfacing that suggest otherwise. But of course epidemiologists were discussing herd immunity in March. They would have been professionally negligent not to have been – it’s a fundamental concept in the science.
What this shows is a chronic failure of leadership from our politicians who, rather than explain to the population what “herd immunity” really means and why building it up is the only viable way to protect the vulnerable and return to normal, crumbled at the first sign of discomfort with the idea and switched to a suicidal suppression strategy while waiting for Godot a vaccine. This treats the public like children who can’t cope with grown-up ideas and hard choices. No wonder it laid the foundation for the emergence of the new paternalistic Covid state that takes away our liberty (because we can’t be trusted to behave) to keep us “safe” – though in truth does anything but.
A Very Sensible MP
Conservative MP Richard Drax had a letter in the Telegraph on Monday that reflects the growing scepticism among Conservative MPs.
SIR – A major rethink on how we battle coronavirus is urgently needed. Now, we’re far better informed, so locking us all down and destroying more lives and livelihoods are not the answer.
Even when a vaccine is found, it may not grant total immunity. In the meantime, as with every other disease, we must learn to live with it.
The most vulnerable are more than capable of deciding how to protect themselves, while the young need to get on with their lives and enjoy their youth, which passes all too quickly.
Enough of this hourly analysis, which creates an atmosphere of fear out of all proportion to the threat. Our best weapon against the virus, for now, is common sense, not over-reaction, which is devastating our country.
Richard Drax MP (Con)
London SW1
Another person who thinks people are more than capable of deciding how to protect themselves is Lockdown Sceptics reader Steven Sieff, who runs the Greenband/Redband site. He has had a letter published in the BMJ criticising the elimination strategy and proposing his freedom-respecting coloured wristband system instead.
If the route to elimination and isolation of the vulnerable both cause too much suffering then what next? Practical suggestions have been largely absent amongst the torrent of voices who question the lockdown approach. But some do exist. One such example is the targeted protection advocated by the greenbandredband system. This approach proposes that all adults be given the right to choose whether to class themselves as vulnerable or low risk. No arbitrary lines, just a personal choice based on personal risk assessment. From there very simple rules exist. For those who classify themselves as vulnerable, distancing/protection measures similar to those in place currently would be maintained. The low risk would also follow these rules when interacting with the vulnerable. But where low risk individuals mixed with each other, they would not be bound by distancing rules.
Worth reading the whole letter.
Support for Government Falls to Lowest Levels – For Not Locking Down Hard Enough

Pollster Ipsos MORI finds support for the Government’s handling of the crisis at its lowest levels yet.
Ipsos MORI’s September Political Monitor shows half the public say the Government is handling the coronavirus very or fairly badly (50%, up 10 points from last month) while a third say it is handling it very or fairly well (32%, down 10 points). This is the lowest score seen so far in this series (when it began in March, 49% thought the Government was handling it well and 35% badly). Fieldwork was carried out before Tuesday’s latest announcements of new restrictions.
Evaluation of the Government’s handling of the crisis is largely split along party lines with 60% of Conservative supporters saying they think the Government is handling it well, compared with just 15% of Labour supporters (of whom 72% are critical).
The poll was done before the announcements of the latest restrictions on Tuesday. But will they help? Polling by ComRes suggests not – not, sadly, because the public are crying out for freedom, but because they want more restrictions.
Of the measures announced on Tuesday by the Prime Minister to the House of Commons and, separately, in a broadcast to the nation at 8pm, all retail and hospitality workers, as well as everyone in taxis wearing mandatory face coverings had the highest level of net public support (73%), followed closely by people working from home (72%). Reducing the number of guests at a wedding from 30 to 15 had the lowest overall public net support (46%), but even this had more support than opposition by a ratio of more than 4:1.
The public also tended to feel that each of these measures would be effective in curbing the transmission of COVID-19. Around three quarters of English adults believe that making those who can work from home do so (76%), and requiring all retail and hospitality workers to wear a face covering (75%) would be an effective way to stop the transmission of the virus, while seven in ten say the same of halting the resumption of audiences at live sporting events (70%). However, just over half say that the new 10pm pub and restaurant curfew would be an effective way of stopping the spread of the virus (53%), although this is twice as many than those who think it would be an ineffective method (27%).
Despite this, nearly two in three English adults say that the new measures from the Government are not strict enough (65%) and a similar proportion (64%) would support a two-week “circuit-breaker” lockdown, including a ‘Stay at Home’ message, compared to just 17% who oppose.
Such depressing polling only shows how deeply the propaganda has penetrated, and why good leadership at a time of crisis is so important.
“She really enjoyed each day for me to brush her hair, a simple pleasure now denied.”

Stefan Emory has written a heartrending account in Conservative Woman of the impact of lockdown on his wife Ann, who was admitted to a care home last year after 35 years together.
My partner has late stage Alzheimer’s and is completely dependent for all aspects of her care and wellbeing. At her stage, there is very little comfort, dignity and pleasure left in her life, but she really enjoyed each day for me to brush her hair, which I would also do to calm her down when distressed or agitated – a very simple pleasure now denied to us both.
My biggest fear now is that she may reach the very end stage and that I will not be free to be there to hold her hand on her way out.
Although the Government issued (extremely Sir Humphrey-esque) care home visiting guidance in July, it placed all the responsibility on care homes, who are unwilling to take that responsibility and have done no more than to allow very limited garden visits, which are most dissatisfying for both the resident and visitor.
I am aware that some organisations have been lobbying the Government for more practical guidance, but they seem to be using the softly-softly approach, whereas it is now abundantly clear that they need to engage in a very vocal public media campaign.
From my observations, it is only those of us who have cared directly for a loved one with dementia who really understand the devastating impact on the person affected.
So many health and care professionals do not really seem to understand, or only superficially. When the dementia becomes severe, the only unfailing voice for the sufferer is the voice of the family member, who by their relationship knows the sufferer better than any health or care professional.
That is why the visitor lockdown is so devastating – the impact is the silencing of the only voice that truly understands the sufferer and unceasingly has their best interests at heart.
He worries that with the ban on daily visiting and the lack of inspections, “all the right conditions are in place for some absolutely horrific cases of neglect and abuse behind closed doors”.
Worth reading in full.
And, remember, if you know of any such cases of neglect, please contact the investigative journalist David Rose on david@davidroseuk.com.
Tegnell Turning?

Some worrying news from Sweden. A small rise in cases in Stockholm in the last few days appears to be causing chief epidemiologist Dr Anders Tegnell to shift to embracing lockdowns and masks as tools for handling the virus. The Telegraph has more:
Sweden’s state epidemiologist has said that he is now willing to recommend lockdown measures such as school closures, and strict limits to the size of gatherings – so long as they are only imposed locally and for three weeks at a time.
The Public Health Agency of Sweden’s new approach to local restrictions, floated first at a press conference on Tuesday, marks its biggest strategic shift since it launched its no-lockdown strategy in March.
“We are thinking of fairly short restrictions, to break the spread of infection requires perhaps two to three weeks at most,” Anders Tegnell told the Dagens Nyheter newspaper in an interview published on Wednesday afternoon.
“We are still developing the concept, so to say, but something like that.” …
“The restrictions could be extremely local. It could be about a single workplace or city district: wherever you see a spread and think that there are restrictions that might stop it,” Dr Tegnell told the newspaper.
The agency has so far been sceptical of issuing a general recommendation for face masks to be worn in public, but, according to Dr Tegnell, it now sees a role for them in helping control local outbreaks.
Sad to see a sceptic hero shifting to endorse masks and lockdowns, but it is to be hoped they remain only as short-term and local measures. The idea seems to be to try to keep on top of local outbreaks and minimise the risk of the virus spreading to the vulnerable. But since SARS-CoV-2 is now endemic, and presumably seasonal, it leaves the question of how long these brutal threats of lockdown will continue to be held over the Swedish population as tools to combat infection, and why they are for COVID-19 and not other seasonal viruses. I hope the great man has thought this one through.
How Many People With “Flu-Like” Illnesses Are Being Mislabelled as Covid?

Today Lockdown Sceptics is publishing a new paper by Consultant Pathologist Dr Clare Craig looking at how to tell the difference between a real Covid outbreak and one resulting from another seasonal respiratory virus and false positives. Here’s an excerpt:
Why are we seeing alleged excess Covid-like cases in people in their 20s? The narrative is the same across Europe: that a new surge in Covid cases is being driven by young adults. This is despite the fact that during the spring epidemic, symptomatic outbreaks were focused on nursing homes and hospitals. Large numbers of symptomatic young people were not observed in the spring. Why are they being seen now? Why would the impact of the virus at a population level be so different now to what it was in the spring?
Real Covid cases lead, after a time, to rising antibody levels. The percentage of 20-29 year olds with antibodies to Covid has not risen between June and 6th September. It has actually fallen, as it has for the rest of the population. There is a serious inconsistency with the widely accepted hypothesis that the recent surge of flu-like illness must be Covid and the steady continued drop in Covid antibody levels throughout the population. The latter is scientifically provable, the former remains only a hypothesis.
Epidemics spread fast and cluster geographically. Where recent epidemic outbreaks of actual Covid have been mapped, such as in Florida and Marseille, the spread from young adults to other age groups happened within a week and within two weeks Covid was detected in every age group. Given that the time from diagnosis to death is approximately 20 days then a rise in deaths was seen approximately 27 days after new cases in young adults.
The UK data demonstrates that the rise in alleged-Covid cases in young people from the beginning of August did not reach other age groups for a full month. Also, the data since mid Sept has not shown the expected consequent increase in deaths in the UK from the August surge. It seems the outcomes from the UK surge in flu-like illnesses in August does not appear to match that seen in recent genuine Covid outbreaks. This is puzzling, and must make us more cautious.
Some might argue that vulnerable groups have been successfully shielded in the UK and this could explain the lack of deaths now in the UK. Are we better at shielding than Florida and Marseille. Have we successfully hermetically sealed 15-25 year olds from vulnerable groups? It is not obvious that we have shielded any more successfully than other countries. If we have not shielded more successfully, then why has our death rate not increase. like other countries? Death rates should have already increased if this outbreak is Covid rather than other flu-like viruses.
The percentage of young people testing positive for Covid remains low, at a few percent of those tested. Although the false positive rate for Covid testing has not been definitively established, the rate we are observing in the young in the UK is low enough that we cannot exclude the possibility that they are almost all Covid false positives. To differentiate real Covid from false positives requires careful thought and more thorough assessment and testing of those cases. It is essential that loss of smell and Chest CT confirmation is used to confirm where there are genuine outbreaks.
Well worth reading in full.
Facebook Flags Belgian Doctors’ Letter as “False Information”

Barrister and Lockdown Sceptics reader Sarah Ewart got in touch to tell us that when she shared on Facebook the letter from the Belgian doctors questioning the wisdom of lockdowns that LS featured on Sunday the social media company flagged it as false information.

Sarah says:
This has really disturbed me. Assuming the letter is what it purports to be, it represents the view of hundreds of Belgian professionals. I had not realised that free speech and debate was being censored to this degree. I am in genuine despair over what is happening and desperate to do what I can to restore our country to one of freedom, democracy and open debate.
Speechless Raab Skewered by JHB
Julia Hartley-Brewer left Foreign Secretary Dominic Raab momentarily speechless on her talkRADIO show yesterday as she informed him of the number of healthy under-60s who had died with COVID-19 since February. Here’s what one Lockdown Sceptics reader had to say:
The interview of Dominic Raab by Julia Hartley-Brewer this morning was simply stunning. JHB asked Raab how many healthy under-60s have died of Covid since February. Raab has literally no clue, was unable to even give a ballpark figure. When JHB told him it was 307 Raab was stunned. It took him a couple of seconds to compose himself and start muttering a reply.
A very senior member of the Government seems to be completely unaware of exactly how innocuous Covid is to the majority of the population. Beyond that, it’s nothing short of outrageous that a senior Cabinet member should have no grasp whatsoever of the basic numbers of the single biggest issue that has faced this country for decades. The Government is clearly making decisions based on narratives and ideas presented to them without scrutinising them at even the most basic level.
Can you imagine anyone running a serious business in this way – not having a clue for example how many clients one has or how much money the business turns over, more or less?
There is no conspiracy here, just colossal incompetence and negligence.
Watch it here.
Round-Up
- “We’ve avoided a national lockdown, now let’s transform our entire strategy” – Professor Karol Sikora spies an opportunity in the Government’s lighter-than-anticipated restrictions to press for a complete U-turn. Is there a chance Boris might start listening to sceptical scientists – he is reported to have solicited their views at the weekend – or is that just wishful thinking?
- “The three taboos at the heart of Johnson’s coronavirus fiasco” – Allister Heath in the Telegraph gets to the heart of the matter. Also Annabel Denham here
- “Graham Brady’s Covid rebellion has the numbers to succeed” – The Critic relays some encouraging news, giving hope that MPs might start to do their jobs and hold the Government to account over its extraordinary clampdown on basic liberties
- “No Second Lockdown Without A Full Parliamentary Debate” – Sign the petition here
- “Could we see Covid anti-virals before a vaccine?” – Ross Clark in the Spectator on a potential breakthrough in treating COVID-19
- “Seven deadly sins of omission by the Two Doomsters” – Handy rundown from Lockdown Sceptics reader Rowina Seidler in Conservative Woman of all the howlers in Monday’s now infamous presentation by Witless and Unbalanced
- “Plastic face shields almost completely ineffective at containing coronavirus, finds Japanese supercomputer” – Add this to the list of things we knew now confirmed. Will it make any difference to their use? Of course not
- “After months of over-promising and under-delivering, Number 10 has finally changed tack” – Has optimism finally deserted BoJo?
- “‘Challenge trials’ set to infect volunteers with coronavirus to help speed up creation of a vaccine” – Suspension of ethical constraints in the quest for the silver bullet
- “Why was our response to COVID-19 so unbelievably deranged?” – Lockdown Sceptics reader Russell Lewin takes an astute look at some of the cultural and psychological preconditions for the present insanity
- “Is evidence masks don’t work being purged from the internet?” – OffGuardian reports on the curious disappearance of at least two studies
- “Our political police won’t allow protests they disagree with” – Paddy Hannam in spiked on the police’s gaping disparity in treatment of woke and lockdown protestors
- “Melbourne cops pounce on pregnant woman and pensioners for sitting on bench” – Kim-Jong Dan’s Storm Troopers are at it again
- “Revealed: Sir Patrick Vallance has £600,000 shareholding in firm contracted to develop vaccines” – Shshshsh. Don’t tell the conspiracy theorists
- “The revenge of the experts” – Tim Black in spiked spies the malign influence of the morose technocrats behind the illiberal shift in our politics
- “Wage subsidy scheme to replace furlough” – The socialist slide continues. When will the Tories will notice? Or care?
Theme Tunes Suggested by Readers
One for Boris: “He’d Send In The Army” by Gang Of Four. And two by the Black Angels in honour of his henchmen, Witless and Unbalanced: “Science Killer” and “Manipulation“.
Love in the Time of Covid

We have created some Lockdown Sceptics Forums, including a dating forum called “Love in a Covid Climate” that has attracted a bit of attention. We have a team of moderators in place to remove spam and deal with the trolls, but sometimes it takes a little while so please bear with us. You have to register to use the Forums, but that should just be a one-time thing. Any problems, email the Lockdown Sceptics webmaster Ian Rons here.
Woke Gobbledegook

We’ve decided to create a permanent slot down here for woke gobbledegook. The Government on Monday announced they were dropping plans for gender self-identification – a victory for women and common sense. But don’t think that means the Government is abandoning its support for the trans agenda. Caroline ffiske in Conservative Woman yesterday exposed how the the Government Equalities Office (GEO) has funded a number of the resources that will now make their way into schools through compulsory Relationships and Sex Education – resources that misrepresent the law and gaslight children about biological sex and their rights to bodily privacy and dignity. Is it any wonder, she asks, that it was reported last week that at one Kent school 15 pupils, most of them girls, are identifying as genders different from their birth sex?
In February 2019, the GEO advertised the funding it would be making available to various LGBT groups.
Its announcement explained that a group of organisations would split £1million “to extend work that protects children from homophobic, biphobic and transphobic bullying”. According to the press release, an existing initiative “delivered by Barnardo’s and Stonewall” had already supported “1,200 schools in England”.
The PSHE (Personal, Social, Health and Economic) Association was contracted by the GEO to assess everything produced through the project funding against a “shared standards framework” and provides links to all the resources on its website. What is the word for the opposite of a treasure trove?
An organisation called Consortium provides a dangerous and irresponsible factsheet that tells us that puberty blockers are a fully reversible medication.
Yet the NHS has stated that it’s “not known whether hormone blockers affect the development of the teenage brain or children’s bones” and that “side-effects may also include hot flushes, fatigue and mood alterations”.
Another Consortium factsheet tell us: “When delivering sex education, it is important to use inclusive language. For example, avoid saying ‘men’s/boy’s penises’ and just say ‘penis’,’ effectively teaching kids that biological sex does not exist. It’s cruel, it’s bullying; kids can see that biological sex exists.
An advised “important topic for discussion” is the fact that “anal sex is not exclusively practised by men who have sex with men, many heterosexual couples enjoy anal sex”. Why is it important? For schoolkids?
Another factsheet says that within a school “a new pupil who has already transitioned need not disclose“. What this means is that a boy can use the girls’ toilets and facilities without the girls even being told. Read that again. The girls’ rights to privacy, even to information – dismissed.
With respect to toilets, the same factsheet says: “If boys’ and girls’ toilets are separate, the school must ensure that a pupil who transitions may use the facilities that match their new gender presentation and their wishes.” What about girls who don’t want a boy in their toilets? This advice misrepresents the law. Girls have a right to single-sex toilets.
Surgery is casually introduced. “Surgical interventions to modify the sex characteristics and bring them more in line with the gender identity are not undertaken under 17 years old. Genital surgery may be described as ‘lower or bottom surgery’; breast/chest surgery may be described as ‘top’ surgery.”
Just like that… so casual.
The risks surrounding such deeply invasive procedures are, of course, not mentioned. The lifetime of medication, potential sterility, pain, regret. No? Kids too sensitive?
Worth reading in full.
Bonus Gobbledegook: Titania McGrath tweeted a picture from Metro, which was too good not to share.
“Mask Exempt” Lanyards

We’ve created a one-stop shop down here for people who want to buy (or make) a “Mask Exempt” lanyard/card. You can print out and laminate a fairly standard one for free here and it has the advantage of not explicitly claiming you have a disability. But if you have no qualms about that (or you are disabled), you can buy a lanyard from Amazon saying you do have a disability/medical exemption here (takes a while to arrive). The Government has instructions on how to download an official “Mask Exempt” notice to put on your phone here. You can get a “Hidden Disability” tag from ebay here and an “exempt” card with lanyard for just £1.99 from Etsy here. And, finally, if you feel obliged to wear a mask but want to signal your disapproval of having to do so, you can get a “sexy world” mask with the Swedish flag on it here.
Don’t forget to sign the petition on the UK Government’s petitions website calling for an end to mandatory face nappies in shops here.
A reader has started a website that contains some useful guidance about how you can claim legal exemption.
And here’s a round-up of the scientific evidence on the effectiveness of mask (threadbare at best).
Stop Press: An eagle-eyed Twitter user spotted a letter from two surgeons, one of them a former president of the Royal College of Surgeons and the other a former council member, to the Telegraph back in August in which they say they ceased to use masks in their practices decades ago “after a series of controlled trials showed that using them either had no effect on, or sometimes actually increased the risk of post-operative infection”.
Ofcom Judicial Review Update
The Free Speech Union has just updated the GoFundMe it launched to cover its legal costs in the Judicial Review it is bringing against Ofcom with respect to the “coronavirus guidance” the regulator published on March 23rd, the same day the full lockdown was imposed. As I’ve written about before, this “guidance” has contributed to the suppression of dissenting views about Covid in the mainstream media, particularly the BBC.
When, on April 20th, Ofcom slapped down Eamonn Holmes, an ITV presenter, for arguing in favour of always maintaining an open mind with respect to different theories about the coronavirus crisis and the Government’s response to it, the FSU believed this was an action of considerable consequence for free speech in the media.
The FSU decided it ought to take action. If a small public interest group dedicated to free speech stood for anything, it should stand for upholding the rights of broadcasters and journalists to discuss matters of considerable public interest without fear of censure by a state regulator. Given that it is likely that Ofcom will become the regulator of the internet in due course, we considered it vitally important that Ofcom should pay proper attention to Article 10 of the Human Rights Act that states that we all have the right to free expression. Ofcom should encourage – rather than discourage – open-mindedness, open debate and tolerance for dissenting views. Ofcom was establishing a worryingly bad precedent.
We made a complaint to Ofcom in the hope that it would realise the error of its ways if we brought the conflict between what it had done and its duties under the Human Rights Act to its attention. However, when Ofcom refused to budge on the issue, the FSU decided to initiate litigation to make the case for open-mindedness and free inquiry.
A judge will shortly be deciding whether to allow us to proceed with a Judicial Review of Ofcom’s censorious behaviour. We think we have a strong case but litigation is never certain so we have asked the judge for a “Protective Costs Order” which would place a limit on the liability faced by the FSU should we lose the case. Given that Ofcom claim already to have spent over £16,000 just responding to our application for a court hearing, the amount at risk could be considerable. The bigger the size of this fund the more likely that the action will go ahead and we will have the opportunity to strike a major blow in favour of free speech and the right to challenge the Government’s narrative.
If things go our way and we defeat Ofcom in court, the money in this fund will be held over and used to support other litigation to protect free speech.
Thanks again for all your support, which has already helped us a great deal. If we can ask just one more thing, it’s that you share this GoFundMe on social media. The more the word gets out, the better our chances of being able to fight these and similar battles in future.
Please donate to the Free Speech Union’s “Fighting Fund” GoFundMe here so we can take Ofcom to the High Court and share the link with others.
This is a vitally important case for free speech.
Samaritans

If you are struggling to cope, please call Samaritans for free on 116 123 (UK and ROI), email jo@samaritans.org or visit the Samaritans website to find details of your nearest branch. Samaritans is available round the clock, every single day of the year, providing a safe place for anyone struggling to cope, whoever they are, however they feel, whatever life has done to them.
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Oh, boy!
Imagine my thrill at being first. Now I need to go back and read everything. 🙂
You need to get out more, ooops, apologies you are not allowed out are you
Actually, minus the masks, things are pretty normal here. I think our attention has mostly shifted to the election.
I’m quite a bit more dismayed by what is being reported in UK and elsewhere, because I suspect that if hospitalizations/deaths rose in any meaningful way in Europe, we would be “proactive,” here. CV is basically gone in my state, and if it stays that way, these ongoing measures will not be tolerated.
Which state? My wife is American, so we can emigrate if the worse comes to the worse. Are there any states which are ‘Sweden’ like in their approach?
South Dakota. Plenty of space.
That seems to be the recommendation of the hour. I’m American, living in the UK these days. May be visiting your state sometime soon-ish.
Any state not run by Democrats.
Avoid the West coast, i.e. California, Oregon, Washington.
Thanks. Will do some research.
Out of the frying pan and into the fire.
I don’t know what things are like in the rest of the country, but I don’t think anywhere is as bad as the UK. I live in Washington State, which is one of the most liberal states in the Union, but I’m living my life pretty much like normal, with the exception of masks. I have family in Montana and Idaho. Idaho is almost fully open in most places, and Montana is doing fine… The mask thing has really taken off, which is discouraging, but I’ve never worn one and I don’t put them on my kids. I wear a bandanna around my neck. With all of the stupid rioting, the death of Ruth Ginsburg, and this horrible mess of an election, people don’t really have much interest in a pandemic that ended in July. Public schools are opening up (with a bunch of horribly stupid restrictions) in a few weeks… To be honest, considering the season, my life isn’t really impacted much at all. I work in a law office and we’re behaving like normal (my practice is pretty unique, so not much impacted by this stuff). Court is online, which is awful, but we’ve all kind of gotten… Read more »
Have you looked into getting a spousal green card? I don’t know what your position is on vaccination at this point, but it’s a thing that is absolutely necessary for the green card application.
I think we need to get a worldwide view of this so thanks.
CV is basically gone in the UK, but unfortunately the government is still here.
Stupid person you are.
You’re a charmer!
🙂 I’ve been told that before… I’m a little curious why, though.
Sorry, just feeling a bit peevish today and your post was there.
OK sorry, I get the message and take it all back.
DAILY TELEGRAPH Revealed: Sir Patrick Vallance has £600,000 shareholding in firm contracted to develop vaccines
Government denies claims of potential conflict of interest, maintaining he is not involved in commercial decisions on coronavirus vaccines
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/09/23/revealed-sir-patrick-vallance-has-600000-shareholding-firm-contracted/
Boris Johnson initially described Civod as “and invisible enemy”. Obvious his eyesight has improved since then. He can now “see a second wave coming from Spain”.
This is where I go to get my eyes tested:
GlaxoSmithKline (GSK)
Harmire Rd,
Barnard Castle DL12 8DT
Noticeable that the DT didn’t allow comments on that article! Also, why “potential” conflict of interest? Isn’t it a flagrant conflict of interest that should see him resign or be removed from post immediately? Or is our political establishment so corrupt everyone just shrugs this off?
The DT takes stacks of Bill Gate’s cash, so it has to be nuanced.
Any details?
Three and a half million dollars.
Dear Conservative MPs
We can’t live like this.
We can’t plan anything.
We can’t plan anything for the next day because a rule might change and it will suddenly become illegal.
Your fellow Conservative MPs must be getting thousand of emails from desperate people with their businesses on the brink, with somebody dying of cancer because the weren’t treated while we were “saving the NHS”.
You and your fellow Conservative MPs have to work quickly to remove the Prime Minister from office before he destroys the country completely
Your constituent
Sorry to disappoint but MP’s don’t give a flying fuck about you
They care about being re-elected though
I don’t think there will ever be another election and if there is only those who have the digital health certificate will be allowed to vote.
There will be no elections.
I don’t even get an acknowledgement from my MP.
Doesn’t stop me emailing, though.
Me too. Mine is Layla Moran and she is ‘zero covid’ as well as ‘net zero’ so basically ‘zero humanity’. These people are completely out of touch and they just ignore our emails.
Mine is Caroline Ansell. Add her to the list of non replying MPs. Sent her three over the past six months – not a dicky bird. Maybe we should start a directory of MPs who take the money but do Sweet FA
My MP is BoJo.
My MP replied to my letter immediately and expressed her own alarm. There is a growing contingent of Conservative MPs who are rallying ready to stand up to the PM and Cabinet. When they are given the chance that is.
Mine always replies promptly and addresses the points in my email.
He’s very cautious in his answers though, so I’m not sure he can be relied on to rebel.
Agreed
Iv already written saying similar
Unfortunately most Conservative MPs seem to think as the next election is some 4 years away we shall have forgotten by then how useless they have been. I for one will certainly not forget and have told my MP so and that I shall never vote for him again.
Better to tell him you’ll vote for his nearest rival.
3rd email went to my MP yesterday and not had a single response to any of them.
Thanks for that. Edited it a bit and sent it to my MP who will probably send me a patronising response like he did that last time I wrote to him.
Looks like I’m turd. 🙁
That thing about Tegnell is very discouraging.
Not surprising really. The level of international pressure on Sweden to conform must be huge.
Yeah I’m worried about that, I wonder who has twisted his arm? Praying he won’t cave in.
Threats against him and his family, most likely. Can’t blame him for having to protect himself.
Don’t be too disappointed the telegraph has done this before it wasn’t true then and I suspect it is not true now.
Either complete lies or mistranslation and wild exaggeration
Remember the telegraph has funding from bill gates
I could really do with a source for that if you have one to hand
B&MG Foundation funded Daily Telegraph £2.7M in 2017. They have Funded many media outlets including the BBC. https://www.gatesfoundation.org/How-We-Work/Quick-Links/Grants-Database/Grants/2017/11/OPP1179441.
Go to the the Bill and Melinda Gates website, it’s somewhere on there. Bill has nothing to hide, he just wants honest journalism.
Nothing to hide, are you having a laugh? You mean like all those flights on the Lolita Express going to the pedo island?
Like the BBC and Guardian.
It has happened a few times – it feels like an attempt either to bounce Sweden into the wrong course or to let the uninformed believe they’ve changed course so we’re prevented from using them as a positive example.
He hasn’t actually initiated a lockdown yet. A week today the plan is to extend the limit on gatherings from 50 to 500; I can’t help thinking these suggestions are horse trading to facilitate that development happening.
It appears those recent meetings between Tegnell and high level people in other countries were not about Tegnell ‘schooling’ them, but them reading Tegnell’s fortune.
Even the mention of masks though suggests, what – that he actually thinks they work? Or even worse – he believes in the placebo ‘they increase confidence’ idea.
I have posted a lengthy reply/rebuttal to Toby’s information re Sweden later in this thread!
Please link to it
Yes, please do!
Simon Dolan has Met Tegnell today reports it is all BS and completely untrue.
Not so fast… There’s a plan, since 1st September, from Swedish Health Agency “Insatser vid nya utbrott av covid-19 | Regeringsuppdrag“ (only available in swedish), where is mentioned this (translated): Situational adaptation of face mask in the event of a deteriorating epidemiological situation Face maks must always be seen as a complement to other more central risk-reducing measures. Being at home for symptoms, quick sampling, good hand hygiene and keeping your distance from others are still the most important efforts to reduce the risk of spreading the infection. Despite the efforts made, there may be situations where it is difficult to avoid close contact with other people for a long time. Public transport can be such an environment where facemask is judged to be a relevant measure in certain situations. The assessment of which initiatives, including recommendations on the use of oral protection in society, are relevant in the event of a deteriorating epidemiological situation should be decided in a dialogue between the Swedish Public Health Agency, the Infection Control Unit and additional regional actors. Examples of issues in such a dialogue on face protection are: • Can face mask in this case be a measure that reduces the risk… Read more »
I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again- it must be understood that Covid is not an epidemiological event it is a Business Model. It was a manufactured “pandemic” from day one. If you look back in recent history it has become almost a yearly thing, since 2004, to fabricate an epidemic or a “near” pandemic for the benefit of Big Pharma and assorted financial Leviathans. One has to begin with that assumption to comprehend what is happening full throttle right before our eyes. “Here I have secret contracts that were signed in Germany between GlaxoSmithKline and the German state. As a simple Member of Parliament, officially I am not allowed to view these contracts. They were posted on the Internet by whistle blowers in Germany. These contracts specify exactly what needs to happen when phase 6 is announced: what amounts of vaccine doses the states have to buy, etc.. Such contracts were concluded by most states before the criteria have been changed.” Andrej Hunko, German MP in a speech at the Parliamentary Assembly of the Council of Europe on 24.06.2010 speaking about the bogus Swine Flu “pandemic” of 2009. Read this interview with epidemiologist Tom Jefferson: ‘A Whole… Read more »
Allen, I have heard all the theories about why this is happening and I have even come up with a few of my own but your argument is the most convincing and plausible.
Restless legs.
Magnesium oil!
(As on other subjects) Jon Rappoport is excellent on exactly these kind of shenanigans.
It’s been the model for the industrial war complex for years. Manufacture the crisis, provide the solution.
Herd immunity is the root cause ofbthat, as it is not based upon medical evidence, but on a computer midel, it us basically an invention of the vaccine industry and its epidimiologists.
Without it being ‘scientifically’ accepted instead of being thorouggly questioned, there would be no case for panic and any vaccinations outside of the truly at risk.
See Gatti&Morinati or CHD/RKjr on that.
Contemplating the dark possibility that Tegnall might fold.
Remember that the world MSM have vested interests in Sweden failing and will report *anything* that helps that aim, whether true or not…
It is difficult for Gates (for example) to ‘buy’ the Swedish government, because they are not running the pandemic response..
The government cannot easily sack Tegnell, whilst his policies are actually working..
Thanks for fighting the good fight, beginning to believe all the 77th Brigade stuff.
I think we’re toast if it happens. If the only way of showing there is another way out of this goes out of the window it’s GAME OVER.
The article regarding the polls, and the desire for more restrictions. Who are the people who complete these polls, numbers as a percentage of population etc., as they do not reflect the opinions of anyone I have spoken to.
IPSOS and Yougov polling is so narrowly channeled they miss the real mood every time. Leftist operators, leftist respondents dependent overwhelmingly on state for income send the results they want.
Work from home is a complete nonsense, so is the full closure of sporting events I don’t believe either has majority support and I am certain any new shutdown of business does not.
These are Public Sector results by those who think they have permanent insulation of full pay. Some have but not when the inflation and interest rates eventually bite.
I will say it again.Opinion polls are a device for influencing public opinion not measuring it.
Always have been!
Exactly. Another ploy of a poll to further acquiescence. From the Mindspace/Sage playbook, methinks. Behavioural psychology at work.
I went back to my account on YouGov when I heard they were polling about this sort of thing. Every time I log into my account, all I get is celebrity polls and other nonsense. Nothing real.
I am dubious as to the accuracy of these polls.
I do wonder who is voting on these polls? They don’t seem to agree with what everyone I meet seems to think, many of whom seem surprised that we’re still doing things like taking photos of the shopping deliveries instead of signing or just want things to go back to normal. All the covid propaganda in peoples windows is long gone as are requests about vulnerable people and self isolating instructions. Perhaps people are just saying what they think the pollsters want to hear?
Iv never been asked
The snap polls (on YouGov at least) are open to anyone who visits the site. No personal or profiling information is gathered, making a mockery of the claim they are weighted, and if you keep visiting the site you can answer more than once. I suspect shills for the Government and others with financial interests are being paid/encouraged to drum the numbers up.
I complete them daily, sometimes multiple times.
https://today.yougov.com/opi/myfeed#/all
No registration required. Results are scary but members also get paid to complete surveys so very appealing to to those sat at home, comfortable with all this.
Thanks Offlands. From the site:
JOIN THE PANEL TODAY!
As a member of the YouGov panel you will be part of a global community of people who share their opinions in return for points and rewards. It couldn’t be easier: we email you a survey link, you complete the survey at your convenience and earn points for doing so! You can redeem your points for great rewards.
It is free to join – and to welcome you to the YouGov panel we’re offering 2,000 points as a sign-up bonus!
+ Join
I’m already a member of YouGov, log me in
Me neither, of a dozen or so conversations yesterday all were largely sceptical including one with a chap whose 40 year old female client that had the Covid early and is still not quite right.
Same here. Maybe they have some means of targeting bedwetters, whom I sekdom meet with because they seldom come out of their holes?
Or they just make it up. Why bother contacting anyone when they can write up this bollocks whilst sat at a desk
While sat at their kitchen table.
YouGov contacted me and my husband. You can imagine what boxes we ticked. If there is ever a section to write in, I give a full on rant. My views aren’t ever reflected in the results. We must be a tiny minority and everyone else they contact must be bedwetters. What I’m saying is, how representative are these polls if there are loads of sceptical people out here but the polls are all saying there aren’t?
I gently slipped in a couple of skeptical views to some friends of mine who aren’t really ‘political’ and had I down as in favour of a hard lockdown. To my surprise not only did they not argue against it, they were appalled by the consequences of the limits on weddings.
Yes 30 at a funeral but 15 at a wedding is nonsensical.
You can sign up and take part. Bozo and his handlers watch the polls very closely and if they started moving against them they might change course.
Of course the results might be completed fabricated
I suspect the questions are loaded. For example, if you asked “Are you in favour of a second lockdown if it would save thousands of lives?” you would get many more people to agree than you would if the question was “Are you in favour of a second lockdown?”
I’ve always said that YouGov polls are suspect. Ditto IPSOS Mori, the questions are rigged and ditto the participants.
I think the polls are part of the propaganda toolkit personally. Keep those who are having second thoughts inline.
I was on the ‘Youguv’ polling rota for some years but they stopped sending me them as soon as I started to express opinions that didn’t fit their narrative. All lies and rubbish and just intended to ‘push’ a particular line. That is why they are known in knowledgeable circles as ‘push polls’ as against opinion polls.
A few thoughts on PCR testing and false positives (FPR). The FPR appears to be a classified state secret which the Government do not want to reveal and it seems that anyone who does so will end up sharing a prison cell with Julian Assange. Much has been written and surmised about the sensitivity of the test and whether it is designed to pick up viable virus, dead virus, infected or infectious people. Without transparency from PHE or NHS we just do not know the answer which in a supposedly democratic society is a travesty. Nevertheless, there are a few clues from which we can sensibly derive a range of values for the FPR. In this analysis I am quoting FPR as a percentage of positive test results otherwise our Minister of Health will not undersand. Since the spring of this year PHE’s figures have shown a consistent pattern where the Pillar 2 tests have a positivity rate four times that of Pillar 1 tests. This is counterintuitive when one considers that Pillar 1 tests are taken in a healthcare setting from people who are symptomatic where one should presumably find more positivity than in a community setting. Ignoring this… Read more »
Do you not think that was always the intention of the test and trace program? The plan since March has been to manufacture a scenario whereby the government and it’s corrupt advisors can claim credit for “beating” the virus.
Hancock R4 Today, testing won’t be fully up and running until the end of October because the labs have run out of chemicals.
You will have noticed that the number of pillar 2 tests has been significantly down in the last couple of days, probably the reason. The 6000+ reported positives is of course the one the media pick up. Some of those will be from up to a week ago (and that itself probably makes them suspect) and the sample date figures are going no higher than 3500 at the moment.
They DON’T want to “beat” the virus. They want to keep the pretence going until they are sure enough of us are fully willing ready to submit to the vaccine.
But putting half your population into mandatory quarantine doesn’t beat the virus.
It prolongs susceptibility, thereby prolonging the crisis, and furthers the economic meltdown.
Then for good measure add in:-
“Brexit: UK ‘sleepwalking into disaster’ over border plans, hauliers warn”
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-54021421
“Industry warns of Brexit border chaos”
https://www.ft.com/content/49af99f3-4669-4654-a444-4e5e9635791c
All solutions to ‘beating’ the virus are being studiously avoided.
(Until a final solution…)
You may want to look at COVID-19: PHE laboratory assessments of molecular tests in which PHE assessed a number of their lab tests. I found as a result of someone else’s FOI request on the WhatDoTheyKnow.com website. I’ve only just seen it myself so will take me a little while to work through … .
Executive summary: out of eleven tests assessed in the laboratory, all scored zero FPR out of 195 negative samples. That suggests an FPR on tests under lab conditions of less than 0.5%, with tyoical 95% credibility upper bound of 2% on each assessment. These are the analytical or lab-based figures. As the GoS study observes, the operational conditions are also a significant source of error: they estimate this as 2,3% FPR on the basis of evidence from previous testing campaigns. That includes errors caused by poor handling of samples, cross-contamination in the field or in the lab, mis-labelling, and other human and technical errors before the sample gets into the test, on top of any errors coming from the test itself.
“630,000 or 10% of the population.”? 1%?
Ooops. Yes, out by a factor of ten. I learned this from Neil Ferguson!
It’s good to see the illustrious Melbourne police outnumbering and bullying pregnant women and pensioners again, for the very serious offence of sitting on a park bench. On the long list of despicable behaviour during 2020, I think Dan Andrews and the Melbourne police come out number one, with Witless and Vallance a close second. But the majority support this…
On another note, Russell Lewin is bang on in his analysis. Because the majority no longer understand risk and are shielded from the inherent dangers of life, they over react to what is in essence a minor thing. Sadly, any prior objections to the “nanny state” didn’t last past the first minor threat, at the first sign of which the majority went to hide behind nanny’s skirts, and cried out to be sent to bed early without any supper in exchange for protection from the big scary monster outside.
Agree on both your points.
When this is over (and I do mean WHEN), and the great Covid academic industry gets into gear, Hellbourne will be its star turn, rather as Auschwitz is for the academic Holocaust industry.
In both cases, the evidence against the criminals is colossal, overwhelming. And yet the Holocaust has its deniers. Will it be possible to deny Hellbourne? We must see. to it that neither this nor any of the other Covid crimes is ever forgiven or forgotten,.
Yesterday Raab earned his seat in the dock
That dock is going to be crowded. Maybe we should try ’em in batches, as they did in France during the Terror, and have a fleet of tumbrils standing by.
Actually, the comparison with the revolutionary Terror is interesting, because it was the first example of a government deliberately engineering terror as a weapon to use against its own people.
That terror was ‘in the peoples own best interests because they did not know how to be free.’
The worry is Napoleon came after the terror
Let us get the numbers assembled to get them into the dock. We should have started months, if not years or decades ago.
This Saturday, the day after tomorrow, 12 Noon, Trafalgar Square, might well be the last chance.
Shame pierrepoint isn’t around he hung them in batches.
I would volunteer, what I would lack in skill I will make up in enthusiasm.
The Soviet Union took 74 years Annie 😔 I haven’t got that long 😶
Difference is that the USSR did not replace some liberal democracy, but was actually BETTER than what came before. Stalin stabilised the country after Lenin, who at least ended the war. Khruschev was a more benign ruler than Stalin. Brezhnev continued the policy. Gorbachev was better than those he succeeded.
This hell is way, way WORSE than what came before. This is why it won’t last.
I wouldn’t read the ‘postcard from Angola’ on this site, it makes Australia look like a Sunday School play. Reportedly more people have died from police brutality then the virus itself.
DAILY TELEGRAPH Revealed: Sir Patrick Vallance has £600,000 shareholding in firm contracted to develop vaccines
Government denies claims of potential conflict of interest, maintaining he is not involved in commercial decisions on coronavirus vaccines
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/09/23/revealed-sir-patrick-vallance-has-600000-shareholding-firm-contracted/
Boris Johnson initially described Civod as “and invisible enemy”. Obvious his eyesight has improved since then. He can now “see a second wave coming from Spain”.
This is where I go to get my eyes tested:
GlaxoSmithKline (GSK)
Harmire Rd,
Barnard Castle DL12 8DT
*sigh* GSK is not going to make a ton of money off a vaccine. It is supplying pretty cheap adjuvant to several putative vaccine makers, to try and boost the efficacy of their antigens. If any one them work, they have deals in place to supply the adjuvant to governments. The price leaked in the US and it’s a few dollars a dose. No profit to be made there. GSK share price might – on approval of a vaccine it is involved with – peak slightly in the near term (which won’t help Vallance who cannot sell those shares if they are tied up in long term restricted share plans) but once people twig there is no near term profit to be made, they will go back to worrying about the lack of sustainable earnings growth, and it will go back to where it is. The site in Barnard Castle is a factory. All senior management are in London. Nobody there senior enough for Cummings to meet with. I can see how people love to make a conspiracy theory. But other than let’s say Moderna, whose technology would be validated if their mRNA approach is validated, no pharma company is… Read more »
The devil is in the adjuvant.
No profit to be made on, say 10p profit on each dose times 65m people by multiple vaccines? As an accountant, I disagree.
Vaccines are less profitable than small molecule drugs, but as Ewan says the volumes are huge. GSK’s vaccine business is huge and very much the jewel in an otherwise bare portfolio.
I don’t think there’s a great conspiracy or fraud going on but as a big pharma man he will naturally be inclined to take the drug or vaccine approach, which is very likely to be the wrong one in the case of covid.
OK not none, but the margins on vaccines are much lower than pharmaceuticals.
High volume, low price vaccines don’t drive profit growth for big companies. A 10p profit on 65m vaccines, is £6.5m. GSK’s operating profit last year was £9 billion. An extra £6.5m isn’t going to drive the share price.
I am also an accountant. And former equity analyst. I know what the shareholders care about.
A 10p profit equates to £6.5m profit. A £10 profit is actually much more realistic i.e. £650 m Two shots? Make that £1.3b. Two shots a year?
Make that £1.3b per annum. AZN have already had $1.2b from the US Govt for AZD1222 development, and possibly as much or more from various European countries. Every penny is underwritten by the taxpayer in other words.
Shareholders care about bottom line; not a lot else. Big Pharma is just riding the coat tails of this virus, and is being encouraged to do so.
I find it strange to suggest that BP would like to be more socially responsible, but the shareholders won’t allow it!
(I’m sure there are many, many lower level conscientious scientists and researchers in Big Pharma, the FDA, the EMA, the WHO etc etc, but they have to do as told.)
If GSK weren’t making a healthy profit, they’d be doing something else that did. QED
The profits can be much lower than other pharmaceuticals, because they are more-or-less forced upon everyone in a population, so they scale better once they are added to a vaccine schedule. But beyond the direct profit, they don’t have the cost of doing business that other drugs have in the way of law suits, because the risk has all been outsourced to governments who have vaccine courts to settle with all the vaccine damaged people and parents of dead children. The US courts alone have paid out over 4 billion so far since the 1986 law let them off the hook for the quality, efficacy and safety of their own products. The safety trials for these vaccines are a fucking joke, and I’m typing this straight off a full week of reading the studies for the HibB/MenC vaccine. One study was done on adults who were observed for 30 minutes following the injection……. 30 minutes! We give this to babies! Longitudinal studies are nonexistent, and a vaccinated versus unvaccinated study has never been done. Never…. not once…. so we haven’t the first clue what effects there may or may not be on the development of the human brain with exposure… Read more »
Sorry I didnt mean to come across as patronising. I am just fed up with people thinking all pharma companies care about is money.
They have to care about it quite a lot because their shareholders demand it. But a lot of people – I would go so far as to say most – working in the pharma industry are doing it for the love of the science and to discover new medicines that help people. Thousands of people work in this sector. They are not bad people. I know many of them.
I know the drugs don’t always work, they ALL have side effects and it’s always a balance of risks decision on whether to take any medicine or vaccine. But it’s not wrong to want to make better ones.
Personally I am not sure a vaccine is even needed for coronavirus. It would have to be a fantastically safe and efficacious one for it to be worth taking.
So thats alright then they are all saints, like the TikTokkers of the NHS. Maybe we should clap for big pharma every Sunday. Whilst the people on the ground might be caring and dedicated, do you think the board room is? S K B used to be 3 companies, and they have swallowed up all the competition slowy to get as big as they are. I must assume that you are gainfully employed within the industry.
Whilst I am sure many people who work for big pharma are genuine, the companies themselves are riddled with corruption. Watch documentary “The Pharmacist” on Netflix, “Trust Who” on Amazon (Very boring but informative) and “Dirty Money” series 1 “Drug Short”.
Also look at the fines paid by big pharma for harm done. It has also been known for a long time that drug trials are easily manipulated, as often the drug companies are left to pick and choose which trials they publicise.
Companies go bust if they stop caring about money, it’s what they are for. ‘Get woke, go broke.’
If you have not read “Deadly Medicines and Organised Crime”, written by a Professor of Epidemiology and a former editor of the British Medical Journal, I strongly recommend it. The authors call the pharmaceutical industry – and these are their exact words – an “organised crime syndicate”. I guarantee you will never see the industry in the same light again. This is from the introduction by Dr Richard Smith, former editor of the British Medical Journal. “PRESCRIPTION DRUGS ARE THE THIRD LEADING CAUSE OF DEATH AFTER HEART DISEASE AND CANCER. In his latest ground-breaking book, Peter C Gotzsche exposes the pharmaceutical industries and their charade of fraudulent behaviour, both in research and marketing where the morally repugnant disregard for human lives is the norm. He convincingly draws close comparisons with the tobacco conglomerates, revealing the extraordinary truth behind efforts to confuse and distract the public and their politicians. The book addresses, in evidence-based detail, an extraordinary system failure caused by widespread crime, corruption, bribery and impotent drug regulation in need of radical reforms. “The main reason we take so many drugs is that drug companies don’t sell drugs, they sell lies about drugs. This is what makes drugs so different… Read more »
The people you know are presumably nowhere near senior management level.
Excuse me, but what is say 10 or 20 or even 50 cents profit a dose when we are talking billions of doses? And forever, COVID season will join flu season. So yes its alright there is nothing to play for here they are doing the work ‘pro bono’ m@rse they are
Vaccines are reputed to make 50 billion dollars annually for the drug companies, with no advertising costs. Once mandated on the childhood schedule, they stay there turning over a nice regular profit each year.
Oh yes, no advertising cost…. that’s an excellent point I hadn’t thought of.
It was lockdown. The London managers may conceivably have removed themselves from the capital.
“A few dollars a dose.” How many billions of people are due to receive this vaccine?? A few dollars a dose, Nooooooo….. no money to be made here…. never mind they already had eye-watering government handouts, but it’s all a public service, not for profit at all! As for people “loving to make a conspiracy theory”….. ummmm…. have you actually ever held a conversation with a “conspiracy theorist”? You might as well have just said, “women love to be beaten by their husbands.” This stuff (which isn’t theory at all, because it’s all out there in plain sight for any glutton for punishment nerdy enough to read this boring shit) is like asking to be repeatedly traumatised day in and day out. The odd morning when you wake up and think everything is normal for awhile before you remember this is just the beginning…. are blissful. Have you had anyone close to you die? And then some days wake up, forgetting they are dead, and then remember they’re gone and have that crushing loss anew? There is neither love nor fun in this. It’s a compulsion for accuracy and truth combined with a sensitive bullshit detector. Throw offspring into the… Read more »
Dear Conservative MPs
We can’t live like this.
We can’t plan anything.
We can’t plan anything for the next day because a rule might change and it will suddenly become illegal.
Your fellow Conservative MPs must be getting thousand of emails from desperate people with their businesses on the brink, with somebody dying of cancer because the weren’t treated while we were “saving the NHS”.
You and your fellow Conservative MPs have to work quickly to remove the Prime Minister from office before he destroys the country completely
Your constituent
Our first lockdown was for 3 weeks. It grew to 26 weeks.
The pig dictator has announced the new lockdown will be 6 months
If the new lockdown grows at the same rate as the first it will last 4 years 4 months
Is that exponential growth?
Must have been set by ferguson, it’s as accurate as his computer modeling.
Sweden… looks like Alderan is about to be Death Star’d.
A bit of black despair, today.
Let’s see. Carrie from Sweden didn’t seem to think it was as bad as the media suggested.
I’ve written a longer post on this thread with more information, Jenny..
ManBearPig
https://youtu.be/h05YfP_8UsU
Knowing what the majority of our MPs are like, I have my doubts about signing the petition for ‘no second lockdown without parliamentary debate’. What’s wrong with ‘no second lockdown’?
The polls are lies. Why do we pretend to believe they give any indication of reality?
All they show is what pollsters (who underestimate people) believe the proles might believe, if told by authority figures using graphs and pulling a serious face, in a position in which those proles are too isolated to gauge wider opinion for themselves.
The article in the Critic that Toby flagged suggested there’s a pretty substantial rebellion. The question is how far the rebels are prepared to go and whether Labour would pin their colours to the mast by helping the Government.
We hear men speaking for us of new laws strong and sweet,
Yet is there no man speaketh as we speak in the street.
It may be we will rise as the last Frenchman rose the first,
Our wrath come after Russia’s wrath and our wrath be the worst.
It may be we are meant to mark with our riot and our rest
God’s scorn for all men governing. It may be beer is best.
But we are the people of England and we have not spoken yet.
Smile with us, pay us, pass us. But do not quite forget.
“We are the people of England and we have not spoken yet…”
Th Secret People G.K. Chesterton
‘..there is no conspiracy here, just colossal incompetence and negligence.’ Toby showing signs of wilful ignorance here. The question is surely who is handing this ‘narrative’ to run with and what are their motivations? Is it surely no coincidence that the two central pillars behind that narrative have links to big pharma. Isn’t it the govts business to question that? Shouldnt they question this conflict of interest? Don’t they know? We all seem to. Taking a walk around a town I used to visit on business last night half the restaurants I used are all closed. It is a visible sign of the decline of our country. Are you suggesting they haven’t noticed any of this? As an individual I simply don’t the full facts behind this but at the very least like of people here am questioning all these relationships as a driver for what is happening. No govt could be this willingly incompetent or negligent in the face of such overwhelming contrary evidence unless this was a road they were set on traveling. How else could they willingly ignore the suffering of ordinary people the stories of which are readily available all over the internet. This is a… Read more »
I think most people who believe the cock up theory do so because the alternative is nightmarish.
I was torn until the Leicester lockdown when the government manufactured a local spike and used that as an excuse to shut the city down again,a tactic which they have since used all over the country.
We have a government who has trashed the economy;destroyed family life and taken away ancient liberties all at the behest of unknown actors.
This is the hard part,who and what for.
Who and what for? Probably the “Elites”. Probably UN Agenda 2030. Probably this:
https://in-this-together.com/covid-19-scamdemic-part-1/
And this:
https://steemit.com/covid/@munkle/permanent-injectable-biochip-covid-sensors-near-fda-approval
I agree. For a long time I desperately wanted to believe that this was all a huge over reaction and a mistake but the longer it goes on the less likely this appears to be the case.
I find Toby’s wishful thinking depressing I must admit. After six months of lies and bullshit how can he still believe this is just an “idiots in charge” scenario? Normalcy Bias?
And now Toby brings well known Mi5 disinformation agent David Rose into the fold, encouraging people to give testimony of care home crimes to him.
I would not trust that odious turd David Rose to make a cup of tea and suggest you do not communicate anything to this POS.
https://aanirfan.blogspot.com/2018/11/leon-brittan-and-david-rose.html
And everything we say on here is watched
Now into the second week of Nappy Wales, including the revolting sight of nappied teenagers walking home from school through a breezy seaside town. Not the majority, only a few – put back on the mental potty by bedwetter parents. Ugh.
On a brighter note, I’ve yet to be challenged for having a face. More typical is our Happy Shopper:
Visored assistant: (makes vague gesture ) Do you have a mask?
Me: I’m exempt.
Assistant (smiling): I have to ask, sorry.
Me: Yes, we both know it’s rubbish, you go through the motions, I go through the motions, so it’s ok.
Assistant grins. I grin.
Any shop that shows signs of mask zombyism gets my personal boycott. Few do.
I went into a Costcutter yesterday, not a place I’ve been to in six months. Face mask signs outside with no mention of exemptions.
The girl exaggeratedly gestured at her mask and when I said “exempt thank you” she started telling me
“”You should wear a lanyard…you must be getting fed up with people saying that…”
An icy glance shut her up.
I stopped myself from saying
‘No, actually you are the only person who has ever said that to me’.
The difficulty is that the Government and Senior Management have put ordinary people in the position of checking this. On GWR trains it seems the ordinary train staff have been told to enforce face mask wearing and so if a passenger is not wearing a mask they are obliged to ask. Unless you are wearing a lanyard in which case they just smile and walk on by.
Similarly, on the station, if you walk past a Transport Police Officer without a mask they are obliged to ask, but if you have a lanyard then in my experience they say nothing.
So I wear a lanyard out of courtesy to them and to save me the hassle and inconvenience of explaining when I am travelling by train.
Yes, that is a good point.
Jews had to wear something like a lanyard in Germany in the 1930s, so that they could be properly identified.
I had a similar experience at a museum a few weeks back. Concierge, after the outside “safety briefing” asked me where my mask was. I replied, “exempt”. “In that case then you will have to have wear a sun-flower sticker”, says the concierge. To which I replied, “Just like a yellow star then?”
I think the retort went straight over her head, my wife despite being less sceptical than me and wears a mask in enclosed spaces just smirked.
As a native German I have made the decision not to wear a symbol of exemption as I compare it with a yellow star, or in my case a pink triangle would be more appropriate, not that anyone would know what that is about!
Bodo Schiffmann, the famous German doctor working to educate people, has now started to call face coverings the new Hitler Gruss.
Maybe taking it a bit far.
Sounds like Johnson’s style!
The masks are just a visible marker to the government that people ‘support’ their actions, if everyone took of their masks or refused to wear them then the government would have to change its tack completely. Sheeple don’t understand that.
They don’t.
Almost everyone has forgotten the story and lesson of Schiller’s Wilhelm Tell:
MASKS are GESSLER HATS!
At best, in truth, they are also physically and psychically self-harming and dangerous.
As mentioned before, if asked, I just tell them I’m crazy – then slowly give them that Jack Nicolson look:
https://www.google.co.uk/search?source=univ&tbm=isch&q=jack+nicholson+the+shining+image&client=opera&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjp_cH1uoHsAhUHT8AKHbr-CoYQjJkEegQIAxAB&biw=1384&bih=961#imgrc=iNrHG8kzJnuhiM
Can we please decide once at for all that this IS all about the “C” word!
Clearly, we are not being told the truth.
Clearly, there are agendas being carried out.
Clearly, these agendas are being discussed behind closed doors to which we plebs have no access.
What do you call a situation in which a group of people lay hidden plans behind closed doors?
The freakin’ “C” word!
This is now no longer “C” theory; it’s “C” FACT.
I’d have said it! I’ve only been asked once. A very polite and tentative “I think you’ve forgotten your mask?”
An “I’m exempt” with a big smile. No problem.
Christopher Snowdon The true cost of coronavirus on our economy Britain’s overreaction will leave scars that define the decade From Speactaor magazine issue: 26 September 2020 When future historians look back on 21st-century mortality statistics, they will struggle to find anything out of the ordinary in Britain in 2020. When they look at the economic data they could be forgiven for thinking we were hit by an asteroid. The Office for Budget Responsibility predicts a fall in GDP of around 12 per cent in 2020, the equivalent of having the 2008-09 recession twice in one year. The second quarter saw GDP fall by 20.4 per cent, breaking the record set during the Great Frost of 1709. The economy rallied by 6.6 per cent in July — which sounds impressive until you consider that it only took the economy back to where it was in the spring of 2013. The full impact on unemployment won’t be known before the furlough scheme ends, but the OBR expects it to treble to over four million, the highest number since the 1930s. The furlough scheme cost £35 billion and is one of many reasons why the public finances are in such a wretched state.… Read more »
Only a sucker would fall for the idea that the next lockdown will be a mere ‘circuit breaker’ lasting a fortnight. Supporters of lockdown are adept at switching between cases and deaths depending on which is rising. Deaths lag behind cases by three weeks, so even if a two-week circuit breaker reduced transmission, the number of deaths would still be rising by the end of it. With the likes of Piers Morgan howling from the sidelines and the ‘Zero Covid’ fantasists re-energised, it is hard to imagine the government ending lockdown while the death rate is climbing. You can almost hear the slogan now: ‘One last push to save Christmas!’ And when case numbers rise again in the new year, as they will, who’ll resist a third lockdown, especially with the promise of mass vaccination just around the corner? All the while, the money-printer will be whirring. According to the Economist, the central banks of Britain, the eurozone, Japan and the USA have ‘created’ (i.e. printed) $3.7 trillion this year. If this does not lead to inflation, the economics textbooks will need rewriting. Higher inflation means higher interest rates and suddenly the cheap money being borrowed won’t be so cheap.… Read more »
The theory does presuppose that deaths will follow “cases.” If, as seems apparent, most cases are an illusion caused by artefacts of a dodgy PCR test, the deception would have to extend to dressing up deaths by influenza or pneumonia as COVID deaths. However, if the dry tinder theory is correct, even this may not produce sufficient numbers to maintain the scare.
The assessment of ‘cases’ should include a consideration of hospital data and not just dodgy pillar 2 test results.
Whilst everything seems to get branded covid these days, nonetheless hospital cases do mean someone has symptoms and been clinically examined.
Yesterday reported hopital cases in English NHS hospitals rose by 46 to a total of 1381, which for a population of 56 million is tiny it is also a small figure compared to the huge number of infections (dodgy-tests) they are reporting.
Also, little reported, but covid patients are getting better and being discharged from hospital, by my reckoning, on Sept 20th 134 Covid 19 patients were discharged from English hospitals.
Anecdotally I’m told by medics that procedures that did not work for treating Covid patients at Easter are now successfully doing so.
Totally agree, but the original post was about the data being fabricated to maintain the scare. My point was that this is made harder by the reduction of the susceptible population and your point about improved outcomes also adds to that. Essentially, to manufacture a second spike on the basis of deaths (we know how they can fabricate case numbers) would require either dressing up all manner of other deaths or actively killing people.
I know of one care home that had Zero Covid but found that two deceased residents who died of cancer/old age had the Covid on their death certificates.
Remember it now requires only one doctor to sign such certificates.
It’s going unreported, but Covid is still going through care homes. It’s just that people aren’t dying as a result. The dry tinder theory basically says that the susceptible (or the bulk of them, anyway) were hit in the spring outbreak, so even if you introduce more spreaders now it won’t cause another spike.
One question this leaves open is how long it takes to accumulate said dried tinder – obviously as people age they become more susceptible, but it doesn’t happen in an annual lump. Also, if the reduction of the NHS to be the NCS is resulting in many of these people dying (largely unreported) of other conditions – things that would have been counted as comorbidites in the spring outbreak – then the implication is it’s going to be much harder to manufacture a second wave on the basis of deaths.
And also, I do believe the virus has mutated to a less virulent form. Japan, Australia and New Zealand appear to have been relatively successful at keeping CV19 at bay back in February/March. Now, they are detecting thousands of cases as the virus runs amok through all the available “dry tinder”. But where are the deaths?
Australia and New Zealand in particular have now reached early spring, when the disease ran unchecked in the northern hemisphere. I suspect this disease, never especially lethal, is even less so now.
Time will tell.
They are not blocking beds, local hospitals are awash with empty ones.
Socially distanced empty beds
Someone mentioned to me IRL on Monday that the National Debt was now greater than after WW2, I was not aware of that as a fact but said it did not surprise me.
You date the article as 26th Sept, is that correct or a typo ?
The UK national debt currently stands at about 90% of GDP. After WW2 it was 250%. Of course, because of Brown’s smoke and mirrors, there’s a lot of off-balance sheet stuff not accounted for in that.
We were bankrupt after World War 2 and only an America loan saved us
I was referring to the 104% mentioned in Christopher Snowdens article.
Still less than the 250% in 1945 – and we had a lot of work to do rebuilding our country at that point.
Very good indeed.
However they’ve been trying to drive inflation up for years. But it just always ends up in the Cayman Islands and in big yachts
The sources that underpin THAT document;
8. IPSOS MORI. Personal communication 12-15 March. 2020.
9. Atchison C, Bowman L, Eaton J, Imai N, Redd R, Pristera P, et al. Report 10: Public Response to UK
Government Recommendations on COVID-19: Population Survey, 17-18 March 202
https://www.imperial.ac.uk/media/imperial-college/medicine/sph/ide/gida-fellowships/Imperial-College-
COVID19-Population-Survey-20-03-2020.pdf. 2020.
10. Dowd J. Demographic science aids in understanding the spread and fatality rates of COVID-19
https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.03.15.20036293v1. Preprint. 2020.
11. Peters GJ, Ruiter RA, Kok G. Threatening communication: a critical re-analysis and a revised meta-
analytic test of fear appeal theory. Health psychology review. 2013;7(Suppl 1):S8-s31.
Mask Vaping
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P_iQM5x9wF8
A virus is bigger than vape smoke…..That’s why masks work. This is not relevant in any way, this is dangerous dis-information, you are killing people.
Blimey, I was joking
Balls, virus = 125 nanometres (0.000000125 mm), the dread droplets perhaps but they dry out.
Facebook put a false information notice on something i posted recently, it was a picture that had been put on LS about spike in corona tests and spikes in IQ tests. what false information was in there, i completely fail to see. Same thing happened to a friend who posted information about TB stats to try and introduce a sense of perspective. I think I will give up on posting but it might be fun to post something with the mad professors numbers from Monday and see if they come up as false information.
They did it to me back in June just for reposting about when the WHO said asymptomatic cases were very rare! They linked to what can only be described as a ‘re-education’ site that was full of contradictions that I subsequently dismantled and posted on FB!
Oh well done! I just thought sod it I’m afraid and gave up!
I reported a random WHO post that appeared in my feed as “misleading or false information”.
The dude who owns Facebook has a Chinese handler pretending to be his wife. Facebook is Chinese surveillance and propaganda and if you use it you must be mad or willing to let these evil fucks know everything about you.
When Arsebook came out I felt that I was doing my friends a favour by not signing up to it. Why would I want to let the government know who all my friends were? It felt like I would be “grassing” on them. I have never signed up for it. I never will.
Please have a read of this absolutely spot on summary from the man who knows Vallance better than most. To me, if anything, it gives me hope, and hopefully not misguided hope this will be over soon.
https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1308889807725236224.html
I wish I could share your optimism. I feel really down about it all again today. I just can’t see an end to this any time soon, the fact that so many of my friends and family are caught up in it makes me despair.
Don’t feel too down. In two weeks there will not be 50,000 cases a day. They will try and say its because of the measures they took, but that is our opportunity to ask where the WMDs are. “You said there would be 50,000 cases you were 48,000 out” has to be our mantra.
We can fix this.
The WEF say there is a small window of oppoutunity caused by covid to install the roots of their great reset.
What has caused that window to open and why is it said to only be a short window of opportunity?
They are full out, full gas trying everything they have. The window will close when realisation inevitably comes in the population that there is a swindle afoot. They know that moment will come, but can they get the roots established enough to trap us in a 4th industrial revolution of the kind they desire? That’s the race against time.
4th industrial revolution is written about by Sky news Ed Conway in the sunday times and in many, many other places. It is a mainstream concept. See WEF for the central explanation then alternative sites to understand how terrible the WEFs revolution will be for 99.9% of the world’s population.
Hold fast Kevin. I’ve had to turn aside fallings-out with my family by making bets with them. Though they didn’t appreciate the comment that if they were right, they wouldn’t be around to collect their winnings.
We will win.
At least, not a good end?
This Saturday 12 noon, Trafalgar Square. 50,000? 100,000?
Berlin hopes to get 10,000,000.
Interesting read, who is Yardley Yeadon ?
He is Mike Yeadon. Author of the FPR article Tony featured and co author of another LS piece. Ex CEO of Pfizer.
He’s not ex ceo of pfizer. He was v senior in their uk research ops though, and more importantly has known Vallance since they did experiments together at Wellcome many years ago. So he knows his stuff and he knows vallance.
Thanks, sorry for the wrong naming, was posting on the go.
Now let me get this right:First of all, students are blamed for a “supposedly” rise in CV infection rates when they went back to university and now they will be blamed again for coming back from university for Christmas for the same reason.
WHAT NEXT?
Presumably they will be confined to their 7×7 cells for the whole 3 years with army ration packs pushed through slots in the door once a day. More controlled student accomodation will need to be built to facilitate this which will be great for the economy.
I refer you to the reply I gave to Tom Blackburn.
There you go then, Charlie; a government minister (who cares which one) says that if they have to stop students from going home for Christmas, if that’s what it takes, blah,blah,blah, they will do it.
I think the answer is for them not to be selfish and to start being retired. That way your lifestyle isn’t affected that much by lockdowns
Don’t give this excuse for a government ideas.
Joking aside, I think that’s how a lot of people see it. Just stay at home doing crosswords and visiting the supermarket at peak times (despite not working) – it’s easy peasy
That’s my brother and sister in law:PATHETIC.
I feel for students. One day they will see that mass hysteria robbed them of what should have been such a fun and exciting time.
And a job at the end of it..
If Tegnell is turning we are well and truly f*cked.
Oh God, why didn’t I wait until later to read LS. That’s my day buggered then.
Agreed! I’m praying he won’t cave in.
Don’t panic the Global health security team either lie or wildly exaggerate they never tell the truth
*Sigh*…. I wish Toby would contact me before quoting what the MSM in the UK are saying about Sweden and scaring you all with misinformation… I posted several times late yesterday about what is really happening over here. And Simon Dolan is coming to Sweden today and will hopefully secure some good interviews. It must be remembered that both Tegnell and Giesecke have to cope with doom mongers in the Swedish media and ‘placate’ them in order to keep them off their backs. If you watch interviews with both men they are very careful and diplomatic in what they say, especially when talking to the foreign press as they are in some ways representing Sweden on the world stage (note that no one from outside Sweden has been asking for interviews with Stefan Löfvén). Particularly Tegnell who gets interviewed more often. Also, Tegnell truly *does* follow the science and is open to change things *if* he sees a need to do so. When he says measures *can* involve certain moves, he means just that – *can*, which is not the same thing as *will*… I can understand that with the way things have been in the UK of late, that… Read more »
Thanks for pointing me to this – good to get a boots on the ground point of view, you can understand our worry seeing that in the news after the week we’ve had here
Hope springs eternal. Thanks for the update 🙂
Thanks for that. I know what you mean about how careful Tegnell is in interviews – I saw him interviewed by Andrew Neil and he was very careful not to be drawn on what he thinks about our government’s response or to make predictions about what will happen in Sweden.
I thought that was probably the case Carrie. Thank you for the confirmation. Hopefully Toby will publish this post tomorrow above the line to calm some frayed nerves.
Seconded.
Limited quarantine not universal incarceration, sanity.
But when has that ever been done ? Why this time ?
I sometimes wonder if skeptics have oversold the ‘Swedish resistance’ ? Seems to me that Tegnell panicked, just like the rest of the world, albeit maybe to a lesser degree. He closed nursing homes (to tragic effect). He closed colleges and universities (why ?). He limited mass-gatherings (does he do that every flu season ?). He instituted social-distancing measures (sanitizer outside, stand here circles, can’t approach bar). In his recent interview, with Unherd, he recommended Stockholmers go to the country and allowed as how the government was paying Swedes to stay home. Swedes did stay home for a time. And their economy was battered as a result. All the way, a goodly proportion of Swedes, were crying for locKnown, and approval of the lockdown right matched the ruling left. *sighs* I suppose Tegnell was powerless against the constant drumbeat of new/never seen anything like this/doesn’t discriminate/Chinese in the streets, etc.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-54270334 the app has arrived, fortunately my iPhone is too old.
The concept of self determination of risk is already enshrined in law through the mental capacity act of 2005.
unless this has been repealed by a statutory instrument
The article doesn’t mention that 1/3 of the time the instruction to place oneself under house arrest will come without having been within 2 metres of a plague carrier for 15 minutes. Surely even the clinically terrified could see how pointless and damaging this is….but they won’t
hancock admitted as much on the Today Programme this morning.
So the population of hypochondriacs is going to allow an app to provide clinical diagnosis and order them to to self isolate for 8 days? Either the amount of other viruses etc circulating plus the easiest way to get of off work in the world, I sense a storm coming.
Not sure an SI can replace an Act.
Earlier start than usual for her today with her pro-independence statements keen to show other 3 nations how she has a much better idea what to do than they have.
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-54274055
I can’t watch her. She makes me sick. She’s insane, the people who support her are inane tossers bereft of the ability to think straight. This latest ban on visiting other houses again is pure evil. She is fucking evil and i can’t stand her or her supporters.
Had a lovely chat with a cult member on the back of the no visiting homes. Its a 2 years olds birthday coming up, large family gathering plsnned.
Me: Nah it’s not allowed. Them: will the police come? Me: No you’ll just get grassed up – that’s how they want it.
Head turned to look at me at mention of grass, Eyes wide open. Cult member knows I’m not a grass nor would I. But the penny dropped just a little. Quite a moment for me to see a cult nember have a small realisation the cult is bad.
Tell them since they support her you will definitely report them for their party because they want her and her fascism so they should suffer it. Funny how all of them publicly say one thing and privately think it don’t apply to them. Now is a golden chance for them to realise that their stupid anti english bullshit ain’t worth the price of a retard like Sturgeon having control over you.
Thats a cult known characteristic. In public holy. In private every scam we can manage we do.
Don’t do that. Don’t allow yourself to become like them.
Perfect analysis. The woman is pure poison and relishes the power to issue these diktats. I always thought the Scottish people like Australians were brave and tough, maybe an illusion through past sporting deeds.
I just read what she had to say and oh boy is she a happy little ignorant camper. We should just dish out my tax money so she can live out her “worm that turned” fantasy. It’s like she has no clue where the money comes from. Well it’s not like, she doesn’t. She has no clue how money is made. She doesn’t understand that money is stored energy and something has to be made for it to have any value. It really bothers me that such limited intellects think they can be in charge. They don’t have the intelligence to realise how stupid they are which just proves the failings of any kind of government. She and her supporters are a direct threat to me, every single person who thinks all this nonsense we’ve to do in regards of this virus is a threat to me. This is a living nightmare not unlike the walking dead only you’re not allowed to beat to death any of the zombies.
I can’t find the link now but yesterday when questioned that she was trying to move in the right direction she was saying that she was forced into using the word ‘suppress’ as all 4 nations had agreed to use that but she still wanted to go for covid-zero and completely eliminate it. We have no chance of these over the top restrictions ever ending until she accepts that is almost certainly impossible.
Off topic, but that is not how money is made. Sturgeon is closer to the truth in thinking that money is invented out of thin air. But money relies on people like you and me treating money as if it has to be made with productive work for its power. As soon as the illusion is burst money will stop being a store of value and the societal breakdown will make Covid look like the bedwetting episode it really is.
You don’t have a clue how money is made, like most people. I’d bet you haven’t and never will read Austrian Economics. Your left wing idea of money is laughably stupid. Lord save me from lefty economics.
Yep. The concept of purchasing power or store of wealth appears to be lacking with many people.
A better term is Zimbabwe
Money is fairly irrelevant. It’s just a tool to help organise and facilitate activity – actually a pretty good tool, which has stood the test of time and it would be hard to replace.
But prosperity and comfort and progress basically come from WORK
“More borrowing powers” is the new mantra.
Deciding what is devolved is reserved to Westminster. I think she will find she has a Westminster MP representing her. She can take it up with that person. She’s not special.
Becoming FM should go with it signing a solemn declaration that you are perfectly happy with the constitutional arrangements. Any call for more less or different powers should simply be against the law.
This is good. Janey Godley ripping up Sticky Nurgeon.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1_3V9Tzz4Co
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xqvI0wzNczc
She has done loads of this kind of thing..
Who remembers the joke, what does aids stand for?
Arse Injected Death Sentence
I wonder if that joke is allowed theses days? Probably get you banned from Twitter and a visit from some mong who works for the state and has a badge and thinks he’s something other than a lackey of the state unable to care for themselves.
Private Eye back when it was funny. Anal Insertion Death Syndrome from memory but close enough.
I remember it as ass injected.
Peston
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https://twitter.com/itvpeston/status/1308882379558313984?s=20
1min video clip of Steve Baker MP explsining he is organising opposition to tge governments extension but it relies on Labour and SNP who need to stand up for civil liberties, something they have not been doing.
Great. So they will all vote for further restrictions, and the public will believe even more that it is right.
See the Big Brother watch video for reasons as to why the coronavirus act *must* be repealed..
Right. But my point is that what indication is there that anyone in parliament will do anything but vote for varying levels of restrictions, especially at the numbers needed?
I’ve been thinking what should the government be doing if it actually wanted to control the virus and reduce unnecessary deaths and illness? First thing is to go back to the first rule of medicine, first do no harm. Whatever they do should cause less harm than the virus a simple idea but i think it’s important. So could be done 1. Vitamin supplements especially vitamin D it’s cheap and safe and easy and will help improve people’s immune system over winter. The elderly and certain ethnic minority groups are often vitamin D deficient in winter. It would not be 100% effective but it would definitely help, cost very little and do no possible harm. 2. Hydrochloroquine and zinc. The Marseille protocol HCQ has been used for years and proved to be safe and there is some evidence that it helps if given early. There have been designed to fail trials that show it does help later on but it does work a bit if given as soon as possible. Again not 100% but cheap and harmless. 3. Fever hospitals. Separate hospitals or at least separate buildings (could use the nightingale hospitals but they are not ideal and probably too… Read more »
TLDR I know
It’s good!
I am not a fan of public health campaigns but paying a top notch advertising agency to get across the message that even a basic multivitamin that boosts vitamin D and C levels will improve your immune system would, for once, be money well spent. It is not a panacea, but will make a positive difference.
And that is why it will never be done. They could have promoted Vit C, Vit D, Zinc at any time in the last 6 months. They could have made HCQ or Ivermectin widely available.
Anything that keeps people out of hospital will not be done.
3) is the equivalent of the old TB sanatoria.
4) under no circumstances intubate and ventilate, CPAP/BIPAP is the way to go
Thanks – I always appreciate your posts so please keep ’em coming.
You are presuming that the government actually has your best interests at heart..
Remember they are in consultation with Gates, who wants to depopulate the world and is on record (multiple times) saying so…
No, I am asking IF they had our best interests at heart what would they be doing?
isolation fever hospitals were obvious from the start, they need to be ground floor only so no stairs or lifts. Local Nightingale has two stories.
Convalescence homes and infectious disease hospitals both need to make a comeback.
Has there been any explanation as to how they think closing pubs and cafes a bit earlier reduces transmission?
Also you can be except from the “rule of 6” if it is for the purpose of attending an “organised support group”. So perhaps we need some sort of organisation that runs group therapy session for affected by lockdown, running sessions involving music and booze.
It’s clearly a nonsense
Yes.
It is so bizarre, announcing a policy which will disrupt cafe’s and restaurants (having spent August trying to bribe us to go to them), AND NOT TO TRY TO EXPLAIN how it will make any difference!
I assume there is some modelling prediction of some kind, but that it is too weak and tentative to be used as an actual argument.
The only other thing I can think of, is that the policy makes no direct difference other than provoking fear and caution. But if that is the case…. why were they trying to get “Britain moving” and back to work? Surely the way to do that is to reassure.
It is a riddle.
It’s the ant-drinker crowd jumping on the Covid bandwagon. 10pm pub closures will become permanent just as 10.30 was permanent for decades after it was introduced during WW1 to aid the war effort.
Covvie is waiting outside the pub with a stopwatch. At 10 pm, he walks in and infects everybody.
What will happen when the clocks go back? Will the little devils reset themselves or will the curfew have to be adjusted?
Covids work on Eastern Standard Time, so 6 hours behind GMT, Covids don’t get out of bed untill about lunchtime, have a long lunch then go to work at about 4 o’clock, thats 10:00 pm GMT for us. That’s why.
Got it 🙂
The rule of 6 also does not apply to occupants of 14 person student houses.
I used to work for a university and have access to my emails. I understand that some students have been “caught” socializing with people they aren’t living with. As a response the university has said it will dismiss anyone found breaking the rules.
If you are out with 6 friends you live with, and happen to meet some other friends in the street – are you breaking the rules by talking to them?
Occupants of large student houses can legally be out and about together but must separate to make contact with someone else.
This applies to student HMOs, not halls of residence.
Re the ten o’clock closing time, Boris told the House (on Tuesday) that “we have evidence that’s when there’s transmission”. Obviously he didn’t bother to say what the evidence was or where we could examine it.
By the way, no one laughed.
I wonder if is to do with people milling around during closing time? Last orders and so forth…
If that is the case, won’t all that activity still happen, just an hour earlier?
Exactly what I would have done if I still used pubs.
It’s quite obvious that when lots of people in one place have been drinking alcohol excessively any attempts at social distancing will fail. Are the government honestly naive enough to think this doesn’t happen until after 10pm? I’ve tried to go out for a meal many times as early as 5pm only to have evening ruined by a group at a nearby table who’ve clearly all been out since lunchtime.
Voodoo.