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Take Back Control

Brendan O’Neill has written a blistering piece for Spiked in which he urges the British people to take back control – not from Brussels, but from Boris and Dom!

We can’t go on like this. We cannot continue to allow the Government to control every aspect of our lives. We cannot idly accept that the state has the right to introduce rules and regulations that dictate everything from how long we can stay in the pub to who we can invite to our weddings. We cannot sit back and watch as government scientists use jumped-up, fact-lite graphs of fear to try to terrify and pacify the populace and prep us for yet another onslaught on our liberties. We cannot just watch and nod as officials shut down more areas of the economy, with a stroke of their pen, plunging Britain further into the worst recession on record. This is not sustainable. Something has to give, something has to break. The only important question right now is this: how can we make sure that happens?

I know exactly how he feels.

Worth reading in full.

A Reply to Tom Chivers

Tom Chivers and James Ferguson disagree about the significance of the false positive rate of the PCR test

Tom Chivers took a pop at Lockdown Sceptics in UnHerd yesterday, arguing that writers on this site were exaggerating the importance of the false positive rate of the PCR test and, contrary to our claims, there really is a second wave hurtling towards us. The subhead was: “Sceptics who talk up ‘false positives’ are engaging in wishful thinking.”

Tom’s piece is worth reading for anyone interested in this debate – he makes some good points, although not all of them land with the same force.

I asked James Ferguson, the financial analyst who wrote about the false positive problem for Lockdown Sceptics on September 12th, to reply to Tom’s piece.

Tom Chivers delivers what he believes to be a series of deathblows to the idea (of which I am an adherent) that most positives are false positives and therefore that the September surge in cases is not necessarily the start of a second wave but potentially a false alarm. It should be noted from the outset that part of the problem here is that the Government has an unfortunate tendency to call positive tests, ‘cases’, when they are not. The PCR machines that the tests are run on come with a big sticker on the side warning that they are not to be used for diagnostics, only for screening. The manufacturers specifically warn against confusing a positive PCR test result with a medical case, the latter requiring both symptoms and a doctor’s diagnosis. This is typical of the slapdash approach that the Office of National Statistics (ONS) and the Department of Health have taken to jeopardising our entire economy.

To return to Chivers’ case, he agrees that if the incidence of COVID-19 is 0.1%, then a false positive rate of 1% will mean that out of every 10,000 people tested, the test will correctly identify all 10 of those with COVID but will also wrongly positively identify 100 of those who don’t have it. In this instance, Chivers writes, it would mean that if you tested positive, you would only have “about a 9% chance of actually having the disease” (10/110). However, he argues, those that then insist that this means “there’s no real reason to believe that there is a second wave, because positive test results hugely overstate the real number of cases, (are) quite crucially wrong.”

Why? First, because the people being tested in Pillar 2 (community) tests are not selected randomly. He presumes that they have some reason to be tested, either symptoms (which they are supposed to have to apply) or at least exposure to another positive test. So, even if most people are breaking the rules and are having tests whilst asymptomatic, we can assume that 10% do have flu-like symptoms. This changes the maths quite a lot. For the 10,000 being tested, their likelihood of having the disease is higher than the 0.1% prevalence in the population as a whole. If the prevalence among test subjects is 1%, equal to the FPR, then the chances of being positive if you get a positive test result shoot up from 9% to 50%.

All well and good. However, Chivers has made his first error. It is true that the crucial relationship is between the incidence and the FPR. So, if Pillar 2 test subjects are not representative of the population, then the incidence within their subset rises and the proportion of false positives declines. At the same time, though, if Pillar 2 subjects have a higher incidence than the general population, they won’t be representative of the general population any longer and so any increase in positives is only relevant to that subset and not of the population as a whole. So, a surge in ‘cases’ would be of limited relevance to the country as a whole and, unless corroborated, certainly no reason to impose restrictions.

Chivers airily suggests that while the incidence in the general population is 0.1%, according to the ONS, “even if the true number (for those being tested) is only 1%, that makes a huge difference.” Maybe so, but this is sleight of hand. There were only 30-40 COVID-19 diagnoses a day throughout August in all of NHS England. Let’s say Brits are a very hypochondriacal bunch and only 1% of all those reporting COVID-type symptoms actually have the disease. That would make about 110,000 subjects (5%), out of the 2.25m tests carried out, symptomatic. This implies 95% of the test subjects had the same incidence as the population as a whole (0.1%) and just 5% were symptomatic with an incidence of 1%. That averages to a subset incidence of 0.145%, not “1%”, which would mean that 145 true positives out of 100,000 tests would combine with 1,000 false positives for a false positive rate, not of 50% as Chivers implies, but 87.3%. We shouldn’t be forgetting that the more hypochondriacal test subjects are, the less truly symptomatic and the more representative of the wider population, so even 87% is probably an overestimate.

Yet perhaps realising this flaw, Chivers goes on to assert that “it doesn’t really matter” because, as long as the testing hasn’t got any worse, any increase in the number of positives must logically reflect an increase in incidence. This is true enough. If the false positives stay roughly the same – for example, 1,000 out of every 100,000 – and the incidence rises from 100 (0.1%) to 1000 (1%) say, then the FPR drops to 50% and all the new positives might be assumed to be new cases. However, it is equally true that if the positives start to surge almost back to old highs, like they have in September, and yet the number of hospitalisations is no higher than the end of June, then some might think this is prima facie evidence that the tests might well have changed and that possibility should be investigated with as much vigour and speed as possible (think contaminated test kits).

Ah, I hear you say, but we don’t need to do that because the ONS tells us that the incidence is now 0.11% (as at 10th September) which is 3x higher than the 25th August trough. However, what the ONS doesn’t tell you is that they derive incidence in a very basic way from… you guessed it, positives per 10,000. So if there are 11/10,000 that means 73,700 in the whole country. But if instead we take hospitalisations (204 in England on 19th September, so assume about 225 for the UK), multiply by a factor of 10 for asymptomatics and multiply by 21 days for infectious period, we get a far more up-to-date estimate of 47k infectious cases, or an incidence of 0.07%, about 4x higher than the August lows admittedly but still down 93% from the peak rates of incidence we saw back in early April.

Patients can ask their doctors for a second opinion. I think it is only fair that lockdown Britain should be allowed the same courtesy.

James Ferguson’s Parliamentary Briefing

The top graph shows the number of cases rising, whereas the middle one shows hospitalisations and the bottom one deaths.

In addition to the above, James Ferguson has written another piece on the false positive rate, this time at the request of a Parliamentarian (whom he hasn’t named). So not an original piece for Lockdown Sceptics, but he has given us permission to publish it nonetheless.

Some of it will already be familiar to people who’ve been following the coverage of the false positives rate on this site, but some of it won’t. For instance, I wasn’t aware of this tidbit about Dr Susan Hopkins, one of Dido Harding’s scientific advisors.

PHE consultant Dr Susan Hopkins provided Baroness Dido Harding with a “rapid off my head [sic] response that could be used” clearly intended to dismiss the warnings about false positives out of hand, rather than invite further informative discussion. Hopkins confirmed a “population prevalence < 0.02%” whilst insisting that all serological tests (Pillars 1, 2 and 4) had FPRs that are “definitely less than 1 in 100 and… more likely 1 in 1000.” Yet she did not seem to understand the mathematical implications. With 0.02% incidence, a FPR of “1 in 1000” means 83% of positives are false, whilst “1 in 100” means 98% would be. Does H3 (Hancock, Harding and Hopkins) seriously not know this?

Worth reading in full.

Sir Graham Brady Tells Freddie Sayers Mood Among Tory MPs is Changing

Sir Graham Brady, the Conservative MP and Chairman of the 1922 Committee, has given an interview to Freddie Sayers for UnHerd in which he says he thinks the Government will not force a vote on his amendment – calling for a Parliamentary vote on all future coronavirus measures – but will concede the point. He also says backbench Conservative MPs are becoming increasingly sceptical.

I think like most people in the country my colleagues were pretty apprehensive then. We were facing a new virus, nobody knew how it would behave. There was plausible speculation that it could rapidly overwhelm intensive care capacity in the NHS, and of course the House of Commons was about to go off for an Easter recess. So it did seem reasonable at that point to grant emergency powers to ministers to be able to do what needed to be done if there were terrible pressures with which the NHS couldn’t cope.

We did that, perhaps some of us with a heavier heart than others, but were prepared to accept it as a set of temporary measures.

I think the mood has changed over time. Many of us have been making the case for sensible, cautious opening, since April. Certainly it was pretty obvious back then that you could allow open air markets to operate, and garden centres, all things that could have reduced the economic damage and also helped to give people who have been locked away in their houses for too long a little bit of interest and some fresh air. So all of that could have been done much more quickly than it was.

But increasingly, some sectors like aviation and the events sector have been completely put out of business by the restrictions. As that has become apparent, and sections of the economy have been shut down for a very long period of time, more and more of my colleagues are spending time in their constituencies talking to constituents who are losing their jobs, losing their livelihoods, people who have built up businesses over many years and are seeing them failing, and that is changing the mood. People are recognising that there is a balance to be struck here. We all want to encourage the safest approach in terms of hand hygiene and social distancing (most people have shown they’re quite willing to do their bit) but it’s got to be balanced with the recognition that there are other downsides if you overdo the restrictions.

Worth watching in full.

Ofcom Judicial Review Update

The Free Speech Union has just updated the GoFundMe it launched to cover its legal costs in the Judicial Review it is bringing against Ofcom with respect to the “coronavirus guidance” the regulator published on March 23rd, the same day the full lockdown was imposed. As I’ve written about before, this “guidance” has contributed to the suppression of dissenting views about Covid in the mainstream media, particularly the BBC.

When, on April 20th, Ofcom slapped down Eamonn Holmes, an ITV presenter, for arguing in favour of always maintaining an open mind with respect to different theories about the coronavirus crisis and the Government’s response to it, the FSU believed this was an action of considerable consequence for free speech in the media.

The FSU decided it ought to take action. If a small public interest group dedicated to free speech stood for anything, it should stand for upholding the rights of broadcasters and journalists to discuss matters of considerable public interest without fear of censure by a state regulator. Given that it is likely that Ofcom will become the regulator of the internet in due course, we considered it vitally important that Ofcom should pay proper attention to Article 10 of the Human Rights Act that states that we all have the right to free expression. Ofcom should encourage – rather than discourage – open-mindedness, open debate and tolerance for dissenting views. Ofcom was establishing a worryingly bad precedent.

We made a complaint to Ofcom in the hope that it would realise the error of its ways if we brought the conflict between what it had done and its duties under the Human Rights Act to its attention. However, when Ofcom refused to budge on the issue, the FSU decided to initiate litigation to make the case for open-mindedness and free inquiry.

A judge will shortly be deciding whether to allow us to proceed with a Judicial Review of Ofcom’s censorious behaviour. We think we have a strong case but litigation is never certain so we have asked the judge for a “Protective Costs Order” which would place a limit on the liability faced by the FSU should we lose the case. Given that Ofcom claim already to have spent over £16,000 just responding to our application for a court hearing, the amount at risk could be considerable. The bigger the size of this fund the more likely that the action will go ahead and we will have the opportunity to strike a major blow in favour of free speech and the right to challenge the Government’s narrative.

If things go our way and we defeat Ofcom in court, the money in this fund will be held over and used to support other litigation to protect free speech.

Thanks again for all your support, which has already helped us a great deal. If we can ask just one more thing, it’s that you share this GoFundMe on social media. The more the word gets out, the better our chances of being able to fight these and similar battles in future.

Please donate to the Free Speech Union’s “Fighting Fund” GoFundMe here so we can take Ofcom to the High Court and, if you can, share the link with others. This is a vitally important case.

Global Panic and Mass Hysteria

“Though this be madness, yet there is method in ’t.” – Hamlet

We’re publishing another original piece today, this one by Manfred Horst, a a senior consultant to pharma and biotech companies. It’s a rueful reflection on how the world responded with mass hysteria to what is, essentially, just another virus, no worse than a bad flu.

None of the governments which imposed societal lockdowns and deprived their populations of most of their fundamental liberties seems to have done so on the basis of any kind of benefit/risk analysis. They all followed the advice of some very peculiar “experts” – mostly virologists and epidemiological model builders. They all seem to fear that they could be held to account for an exponential number of deaths resulting from this “new” disease. They all seem to however completely disregard the enormous damage which their measures are inflicting on their citizens, their societies and the world at large. None of them listened to – let alone stimulated – contrarian opinions from other experts, who often had to accept an appearance in alternative media outlets in order to make their views known. Hopefully, the cautionary tale of the current hysteria will serve as a lesson for the future. Science is not monolithic dogma, but continuous hypothesis testing and falsification. Supposedly scientific models predicting the future can be as awfully wrong as any oracle or prophecy.

Worth reading in full.

A Solicitor Writes…

A solicitor who is very well-informed about the impact of the coronavirus guidance on businesses – particularly small businesses – heard something quite ominous in Boris’s 8pm statement last night that less eagle-eared viewers will have missed.

You have probably spotted the worrying sentence in the PM’s address today “in retail, leisure, tourism and other sectors, our Covid-secure guidelines will become legal obligations”. As ever, we await the actual law, but it sounds very much as if the Government is planning to give the guidance legal force. This will presumably take precedent over the Management of Health and Safety at Work Regulations 1999 so that risk assessment for COVID-19 would become incidental. We have already seen steps towards that approach in 5G(b)(ii) of the Health Protection (Coronavirus, Restrictions) (No. 2) (England) Regulations 2020 but it sounds like the plan is now to force businesses to take measures to protect against transmission which would not be warranted by a risk assessment.

In other words, businesses will be forced to jump through even more hoops before staff can return to work, having to comply with volumes of pointless red tape instead of using their common sense. Is Jeff Bezos a donor to the Conservative Party?

Government “Pauses” Plans to Allow Fans Back in to Stadiums

For me, this was the worst piece of news yesterday: the Government has changed its mind about letting fans back into sports stadiums from October 1st. As a QPR season ticket holder, I miss going to see my team play more than anything else and was so confident that things would soon return to normal – after all, outdoor transmission of the virus is almost unheard of – that I renewed my season tickets for me and my son a few weeks ago. I didn’t factor in the idiocy of this Government.

Even the bedwetting Guardian thinks this measure is completely unnecessary.

The government has dealt a devastating blow to sport by pausing its plans for the partial return of fans to stadiums on 1 October because of the rapid spike in Covid-19 cases. It will add to growing fears that clubs could go out of business due to lack of gate receipts for potentially months more to come.

The decision, which was first reported by the Guardian on Monday, was confirmed by Michael Gove, who told BBC Breakfast: “We do want to, in due course, allow people to return to watch football and other sporting events but it is the case that we just need to be cautious at the moment and I think a mass reopening at this stage wouldn’t be appropriate,” the Cabinet Office minister said.

I’m sorry to report that Michael Gove is himself a Ranger.

Letter to an MP

A reader has sent us the letter she wrote yesterday to her MP, Stuart Anderson. This one’s a doozy.

Dear Stuart,

I’d appreciate your response to the questions below:

As the number of PCR tests being done has increased massively over the course of the summer, why are the case numbers consistently presented to the public without a clear framework of percentages of the tests done?

Why is a positive test now automatically called a ‘case’?

Why is the fatally flawed PCR test still being used to measure cases when the only statistics of any real importance are deaths and hospitalisations?

Does Matt Hancock understand that ‘less than 1%’ false positives when a virus is circulating at such low levels means that most positive cases are in fact false positives? Does he even care?

Why does he insist that the case numbers are doubling every seven days when they’re clearly not? Is he just really thick? Is he blatantly dishonest? Is he both?

If it’s down to dishonesty, why is he lying to the public?

Why was yesterday’s television briefing by Whitty and Vallance concentrating on a potential 49,000 ‘cases’? Is this because they really like big, scary numbers?

Why are they being encouraged to extrapolate the currently non-existent doubling as part of a worst case scenario?

Have they been told to do this by Hancock? By Johnson? Is this why they cover their backs with the repeated use of words such as ‘if’ and ‘could’?

Why is everyone so keen to use the word ‘exponential’ when any increase (I include France and Spain in this) has been nothing of the sort?

Why is everyone so keen to use France and Spain as examples, but not Germany, Sweden, etc.?

Why are scientific advisors being wheeled out to smooth the path for further restrictions with their doom-laden scaremongering?

If the ‘worst case scenario’ of 200 deaths a day from Covid by Hallowe’en is true, is that really enough reason to lock down the country again?

If 200 people died a day of flu, would it be front page news? Would it lead to a tv address by the PM outlining yet more restrictions on civil liberties?

If masks and social distancing work, then why no discernible impact on flu and pneumonia deaths?

As the pool of people vulnerable to becoming seriously ill from Covid is limited and shares many of the criteria of the pool of those vulnerable to serious illness from other respiratory ailments, what is the likelihood of them dying of both, twice?

Why did we not lock down the country in the winter of 1999-2000, when (off the top of my head) 50,000 died? See also (again off the top of my head) the bad flu seasons of 2014-2015/2017-2018?

Is the ongoing issue of casually assigning Covid deaths to those who died with, rather than of Covid being properly addressed?

Are you surprised to discover that keeping work colleagues, schoolchildren and families apart for months and then allowing them to meet again has resulted in an uptick in infections of all kinds?

If the government hadn’t locked the country down over the summer, do you think more people might have developed immunity to the virus by now?

Why does Patrick Vallance keep insisting that immunity in the population is at such low levels? Has he not heard of T cell immunity?

If the majority of new cases are in care homes, followed by workplaces and schools, how will closing pubs early or preventing people meeting socially in groups of seven have any effect on these?

Why do the latest restrictions treat outdoor spaces as though they were indoor spaces?

Why is the government paying any attention whatsoever to what Neil Ferguson has to say?

Why does the government think it’s in any way appropriate to rush through a vaccine, and then start by injecting the most vulnerable people in the population with it?

Seeing as bad flu seasons are often the result of ineffective vaccines, why would even a safe Covid vaccine be any more successful, particularly as there is no coronavirus vaccine in existence as yet?

If the NHS is in imminent danger of being overwhelmed, why have the Nightingale hospitals been mothballed?

If the NHS isn’t in imminent danger of being overwhelmed, why do we need another lockdown?

As the NHS wasn’t overwhelmed in the Spring, why does the government assume it will be now – or is that no longer the primary reason for imposing further restrictions on the public?

If ‘protecting the NHS’ is no longer the primary reason for imposing further restrictions on the public, then what is the reason?

And finally…

When is this Government going to take responsibility for its poor decisions and stop blaming, threatening, and punishing the British public for a catastrophe of its own making? And when are you going to stop defending its actions?

Postcard From Istanbul

We’ve received a “Postcard” from a reader who’s just back from Istanbul. Doesn’t sound too bad, once you realise the rules aren’t being enforced.

Unfortunately, the “city of mosques” has become “the city of maskes” as Istanbul pretends to play its part in managing the COVID-19 pandemic. But before fellow sceptics stop reading or cross Istanbul off their Covid bucket list, there is good news. Despite fairly rigid enforcement of “maske, maske!” in shops, public transport and museums, we walked the streets naked – except for our clothes – without challenge or even a second look from the Istanbulis. The face mask here is not considered a virtue signal, rather it is considered a talisman. It does not matter where it is worn, so long as it is worn. Under the nose, under the chin, on the elbow (yes!) and I even saw one person with a mask on the back of his neck. These all seemed acceptable and, in fact, there were plenty of people who, like us, had simply abandoned them. The police were not enforcing mask wearing and were among the worst offenders for not doing so. Our hotel was next to the Karakoy Police station where Istanbul’s finest sat sunning themselves daily, ready to fall asleep at a minute’s notice. They watched us walk past several times a day without comment.

Worth reading in full.

Round-Up

Theme Tunes Suggested by Readers

Four today: “What Have I Done To Deserve This?” by the Pet Shop Boys, “How Long” by Charlie Puth, “Closing Time” by Leonard Cohen and “Banned From the Pubs” by Peter and the Test Tube Babies.

Love in the Time of Covid

We have created some Lockdown Sceptics Forums, including a dating forum called “Love in a Covid Climate” that has attracted a bit of attention. We have a team of moderators in place to remove spam and deal with the trolls, but sometimes it takes a little while so please bear with us. You have to register to use the Forums, but that should just be a one-time thing. Any problems, email the Lockdown Sceptics webmaster Ian Rons here.

Woke Gobbledegook

We’ve decided to create a permanent slot here for woke gobbledegook.

Monday saw the publication of a report by the National Trust on the links between various National Trust properties and slavery and colonialism. This is from the introduction to the report:

The National Trust has made a commitment to research, interpret and share the histories of slavery and the legacies of colonialism at the places we care for. Those histories are deeply interwoven into the material fabric of the British Isles; a significant number of the collections, houses, gardens and parklands in our care were created or remodelled as expressions of the taste and wealth, as well as power and privilege, that derived from colonial connections and in some cases from the trade in enslaved people. We believe that only by honestly and openly acknowledging and sharing those stories can we do justice to the true complexity of past, present and future, and the sometimes-uncomfortable role that Britain, and Britons, have played in global history since the sixteenth century or even earlier.

Slavery is “deeply interwoven into the material fabric of the British Isles”?

Come off it.

The Telegraph has more.

“Mask Exempt” Lanyards

We’ve created a one-stop shop down here for people who want to buy (or make) a “Mask Exempt” lanyard/card. You can print out and laminate a fairly standard one for free here and it has the advantage of not explicitly claiming you have a disability. But if you have no qualms about that (or you are disabled), you can buy a lanyard from Amazon saying you do have a disability/medical exemption here (takes a while to arrive). The Government has instructions on how to download an official “Mask Exempt” notice to put on your phone here. You can get a “Hidden Disability” tag from ebay here and an “exempt” card with lanyard for just £1.99 from Etsy here. And, finally, if you feel obliged to wear a mask but want to signal your disapproval of having to do so, you can get a “sexy world” mask with the Swedish flag on it here (see above).

Don’t forget to sign the petition on the UK Government’s petitions website calling for an end to mandatory face nappies in shops here.

A reader has started a website that contains some useful guidance about how you can claim legal exemption.

And here’s a round-up of the scientific evidence on the effectiveness of mask (threadbare at best).

Stop Press: A German children’s charity got laboratory tests done on one of the masks typically sold in shops after it had been worn by a child in school for eight hours. Eight hours! Result: 82 bacterial colonies and four mould (fungoid) colonies. More here.

The Care Home Scandal – A Call For Evidence

Lockdown Sceptics has asked an award-winning investigative journalist, David Rose, to investigate the high death toll in Britain’s care homes. Did 20,000+ elderly people really die of COVID-19 between March and July or were many of them just collateral lockdown damage? With lots of care homes short-staffed because employees were self-isolating at home, and with relatives and partners unable to visit to check up on their loved ones because of restrictions, how many elderly residents died of neglect, not Covid? How many succumbed to other conditions, untreated because they weren’t able to access hospitals or their local GP? After doctors were told by care home managers that the cause of death of a deceased resident was “novel coronavirus”, how many bothered to check before signing the death certificate? The risk of doctors misdiagnosing the cause of death is particularly high, given that various safeguards to minimise the risk of that happening were suspended in March.

David Rose would like Lockdown Sceptics readers to share any information they have that could help in this investigation. Here is his request:

We are receiving reports that some residents of care homes who died from causes other than Covid may have had their deaths ascribed to it – even though they never had the disease at all, and never tested positive. Readers will already be familiar with the pioneering work by Carl Heneghan and his colleagues at the Oxford Centre for Evidence Based Medicine, which forced the Government to change its death toll counting method. Previously, it will be recalled, people who died of, say, a road accident, were being counted as Covid deaths if they had tested positive at any time, perhaps months earlier. But here we are talking of something different – Covid “deaths” among people who never had the virus at all.

In one case, where a family is deciding whether to grant permission for Lockdown Sceptics to publicise it, an elderly lady in reasonable health was locked in her room for many hours each day in a care home on the south coast, refused all visitors, deprived of contact with other residents, and eventually went on hunger strike, refusing even to drink water. She died in the most wretched circumstances which were only indirectly a product of the virus – and yet, her death certificate reportedly claims she had Covid.

I’m looking for further examples of 1) elderly people who died as a result of the lockdown and associated measures, but whose deaths were wrongly attributed to “novel coronavirus”, and 2) those elderly people who clearly died from other causes but whose deaths were still formally ascribed to Covid because they once tested positive for it, even after the counting method change.

If you have relevant information, please email Lockdown Sceptics or David directly on david@davidroseuk.com.

Samaritans

If you are struggling to cope, please call Samaritans for free on 116 123 (UK and ROI), email jo@samaritans.org or visit the Samaritans website to find details of your nearest branch. Samaritans is available round the clock, every single day of the year, providing a safe place for anyone struggling to cope, whoever they are, however they feel, whatever life has done to them.

Shameless Begging Bit

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And Finally…

In the latest episode of ⁦our London Calling podcast, James Delingpole⁩ and I commiserate with each other over our mutual heartbreak regarding the PM. Send in the army to make sure people drink up by 10pm?!? It’s as if he’s reading from a script written by his enemies. Has a Marxist terrorist cell kidnapped his baby? “Wreck the economy or the kid gets it.”

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parsnip
parsnip
5 years ago

Stand ye calm and resolute, 
Like a forest close and mute,
With folded arms and looks which are
Weapons of unvanquished war, 
And let Panic, who outspeeds
The career of armèd steeds
Pass, a disregarded shade
Through your phalanx undismayed.

Solidarity from a lockdown skeptic in the US. Stay strong.

Kevin
Kevin
5 years ago
Reply to  parsnip

Thanks, very helpful.

Girl down Under
Girl down Under
5 years ago
Reply to  parsnip

That’s lovely Parsnip. My husband (Catholic), said today it was ‘Padro Pio’ anniversary today?
Pray, hope, don’t worry!
Oh dear ones, please let this be so.

Marina Peerman
Marina Peerman
5 years ago
Reply to  parsnip

On a more important note, please my I steal your username? Anyway thanks for the words. Stay strong yourself.

Hopeful
Hopeful
5 years ago
Reply to  parsnip

Hi Parsnip,
Thanks for that. I really needed it today. Boris is determined to kill businesses. Bill just wants to kill us. Resistance songs are being written (Van Morrison, Ian Brown), more people are waking up, some MPs are speaking out, one legal fight still has breath, great people are standing up and standing out against the tyranny. Solidarity for liberty and freedom across the world…it belongs to us all.

BobT
5 years ago

A line has been crossed today when the Prime Minister said he would use the Army, presumably to intimidate or control the people. The British system of democratic government is respected and has been exported over most of Planet Earth with a few changes. Some replaced their head of state with an elected individual and called themselves a Republic. England decided to keep their heads of state as the Monarchy who eventually relinquished most of their power to the elected government of the people. Nevertheless, they retained absolute power just in case their government made decisions which caused unacceptable damage to the country. If ever their was a time for the Monarch to intervene, it is now.  The UK military swear allegience to Queen, not the government. It is now time for the Queen (or her successors or heirs) to make her position clear to the people and a statement like this would be appropriate. “I will never, ever turn my soldiers, sailors and airmen against my own people in any circumstances. My armed forces are for the protection of myself and the freedoms of my countymen and women from foreign aggression. I repeat that I will never use my… Read more »

karenovirus
5 years ago
Reply to  BobT

It can be done Bobt.
In 1975 Australia was having a constitutional crisis which the Governor General resolved by removing the Labour government, headed by Gough Whitlam, from power even though he had a clear majority in the lower house.

Labour then lost the ensuing election by a landslide, had they not done so Australia would soon have become a republic.

Girl down Under
Girl down Under
5 years ago
Reply to  karenovirus

I was a teenager when this happened, well done you for remembering! Having said that where Is the Queen ? We have heard nothing from her, as we would usually? So what is going on?

PastImperfect
5 years ago
Reply to  BobT

The line was crossed long ago. A branch of the army, the SS (Seventy Seventh) brigade, have been attacking us on social media for a long time. Fortunately, they are poorly equipped, with limited intelligence, and rather ineffective. It is unlikely their physical counterparts will be so easily overcome.

Biker
Biker
5 years ago
Reply to  PastImperfect

They’ve got it covered the army, they’ve been taken extra lessons for a while and now some of them can count to six

Chris John
Chris John
5 years ago
Reply to  Biker

Yes.
Squaddie: 1,2,6!

Rowan
Rowan
5 years ago
Reply to  PastImperfect

Yes they’re easy to spot and they do surface on this site from time to time.

Bart Simpson
Bart Simpson
5 years ago
Reply to  BobT

This more than anything should be the grounds to charge Johnson and that odious Tobias Ellwood of treason.

To use the armed forces to turn on the people is the height of irresponsibility and not only damages the goodwill between the armed forces and the people but also damages their standing.

Once that goodwill and standing is gone, it will be hard for the armed forces to regain it. People will never trust them again and will tell them and the charities associated with them to go hang.

To the Army, Royal Navy, RAF and the Marines – is that what you want?

Bart Simpson
Bart Simpson
5 years ago
Reply to  Bart Simpson

His constituents should know what to do – vote him out.

Rowan
Rowan
5 years ago
Reply to  Bart Simpson

Will they ever get the chance?

ConstantBees
ConstantBees
5 years ago
Reply to  Bart Simpson

No way. He seems to have ironclad support here.

Rowan
Rowan
5 years ago
Reply to  Bart Simpson

The Army should arrest Johnson and his motley crew, as Cressida Dick won’t do the decent thing. The death penalty still exists for treason and it could hardly be more fitting. In its efforts to satisfy Bill Gates, this massively corrupte government has cold bloodily murdered tens of thousands of its own people. Next up Gates’s liability free genocidal vaccines. We are in very deep trouble.

Bart Simpson
Bart Simpson
5 years ago
Reply to  Rowan

Cressida Dick is also knee deep in it. Another one who should be arrested and sent to the Tower.

Rowan
Rowan
5 years ago
Reply to  Bart Simpson

Agreed and of course she has a very dodgy past. She is the one who had Charles de Menezes shot to death in a railway carriage for the crimes of going to work and looking well tanned.

Caroline Kaye
Caroline Kaye
5 years ago
Reply to  Rowan

Sadly it doesn’t. Blair saw to that.

Sparkler
Sparkler
5 years ago
Reply to  Bart Simpson

As the demonstrators chanted to the police at the weekend “CHOOSE YOUR SIDE”

ConstantBees
ConstantBees
5 years ago
Reply to  Bart Simpson

Ellwood a Remainer? I’m a Remainer and unfortunately I live in his constituency. I’ve sent him many messages on the subject and every reply stressed his support for Brexit.

HelzBelz
HelzBelz
5 years ago
Reply to  BobT

Can we petition the queen to ask her to do this?

Rowan
Rowan
5 years ago
Reply to  HelzBelz

She’s in on it. Remember Prince Phillip wishing he could come as a deadly virus and wipe us all out. He wasn’t joking.

DanClarke
DanClarke
5 years ago
Reply to  BobT

Got no confidence in Charles, he is a champagne globalist and wants ‘the people’ controlled so we don’t destroy his planet

Rowan
Rowan
5 years ago
Reply to  DanClarke

And so’s his father.

Girl down Under
Girl down Under
5 years ago
Reply to  DanClarke

totally agree, would have thought Camilla would have worn him out, but dont think so, he is nuts.

Cheezilla
Cheezilla
5 years ago
Reply to  DanClarke

Watch this. Prince Charles recently at Davos meeting:
https://www.ukcolumn.org/ukcolumn-news/uk-column-news-23rd-september-2020

crimsonpirate
5 years ago
Reply to  BobT

the army were deployed a couple of years ago during a terrorist emergency. They mainly supported police outside Parliament, 10 Downing street and the home office though they were unarmed.

JohnB
JohnB
5 years ago
Reply to  BobT

Is this another crazed attempt to emulate Churchill, who used the military against the UK population more than once ?

Rowan
Rowan
5 years ago
Reply to  BobT

And what if the Crown is very content with Boris Johnson and his wrecking gang?

Cecil B
Cecil B
5 years ago

2nd?

Cecil B
Cecil B
5 years ago
Reply to  Cecil B

The army will not fire on the people

They hate the politicians more than we do

The pig dictator has not yet realised that the game is up

Cecil B
Cecil B
5 years ago
Reply to  Cecil B

He knows he can no longer rely on the police

Demoralised after twelve years of pay cuts

20,000 of the most experienced officers sacked in the purges conducted by Cameron and May

If you want a KPI, not one corona law prosecution since March, yep, not one in 7 months

The games up fat boy

karenovirus
5 years ago
Reply to  Cecil B

That’s because they weren’t proper laws and why they pretended that several different Police forces had made the same unlikely mistake of charging Englsh people under laws that only applied in Wales as their reason for not prosecuting.

Pull the other one, any half decent desk Sergeant would have spotted that.

Bart Simpson
Bart Simpson
5 years ago
Reply to  Cecil B

Exactly. The police were burned when they tried to enforce the social distancing measures back in March/April – people fought back and the courts nullified the fines that were imposed.

Hence why the police have not strictly enforced anything else, they know they’re not proper laws and the precedent has been set.

Threatening to use the army is a desperate gamble. They must know this.

More than anything this should be one of the ground to charge Johnson with treason.

Rowan
Rowan
5 years ago
Reply to  Cecil B

Don’t rely on Cressida Dick to do the right thing.

Ewan Duffy
5 years ago
Reply to  Rowan

She has form for authorising extra judicial executions.

Annie
Annie
5 years ago
Reply to  Cecil B

Well said. His threat to turn the army against the people smacks of desperation.
Tienamen Square to Trafalgar Square?

PastImperfect
5 years ago
Reply to  Annie

Trafalgar Square this Saturday Sept. 26, 12 Noon. Spread the word. Go with friends.

Biker
Biker
5 years ago
Reply to  PastImperfect

it needs to be millions of people.

Thomas_E
Thomas_E
5 years ago
Reply to  Biker

There wont be..I will be there of course but if there is more than 35K that will be an amazing result..Most people are complete sheep and will just put their heads down and do what they are told 1984 style. I was commuting to London this morning ( as every day) and on quite a full train I was the only person not wearing a mask.A pregnant woman came on and most of the seats were take ( i was on a bank of 5 all free!) she looked around, looked at me and then decided to stand for another 20 min..You could see she was struggling and if she sat down we would be at least 6 feet apart..but NO..This is what they have done,a step from wearing a yellow star on our chest.

Ewan Duffy
5 years ago
Reply to  Cecil B

They were quite happy to fire on Catholics in Northern Ireland.

Annie
Annie
5 years ago
Reply to  Ewan Duffy

The army was sent into NI originally to protect Catholics against attacks by Protestants. Who will they be protecting in Trafalgar Square?

6097 Smith W
6097 Smith W
5 years ago
Reply to  Annie

Their common purpose officers

Nick Rose
5 years ago
Reply to  Ewan Duffy

They did and here you have found the problem with using the army in a police role. Troops aren’t policemen. Their training is to identify an enemy and then take steps to defeat that enemy. In the absence of clear political direction, putting armed troops on the streets often leads to disaster when intentions are misunderstood. And we both know where that ended, in the case of Northern Ireland.

HawkAnalyst
HawkAnalyst
5 years ago

Keep the fight the guys.

Don’t give up and spread the message.

CGL
CGL
5 years ago
Reply to  HawkAnalyst

I tried yesterday – not 1 person converted. They all just think I’ve gone mad.

Barney McGrew
Barney McGrew
5 years ago
Reply to  CGL

They all just think I’ve gone mad – as they wash their hands for the fortieth time that day and put on their cloth face mask to ward off the invisible enemy.

Bart Simpson
Bart Simpson
5 years ago
Reply to  Barney McGrew

Unfortunately people like that are far gone. They can no longer be reasoned with.

PastImperfect
5 years ago
Reply to  CGL

Pick on a few facts (false positives, mask ineffectiveness and dangers, low hospitalisation rates) and keep hammering away. If you’re old and decrepit, like me, welcome anyone who turns 60 to the DNR club.

My success rate is pretty low, too, but it ain’t gonna stop me.

CGL
CGL
5 years ago
Reply to  PastImperfect

I’m not yet old and decrepit no, and tbh I cant see me getting that far – although if i do i am sure I will do an excellent job of being the the most obstinate and cantankerous of old ladies!

karenovirus
5 years ago
Reply to  PastImperfect

The All Causes Of Death pie charts from yesterday’s funnies is very effective, even people who think graphs are complicated can see what a pie chart is.

Thomas_E
Thomas_E
5 years ago
Reply to  CGL

Same here..my wife told me to stop with my conspiracies’ , the government just want what is best for us.

Two-Six
Two-Six
5 years ago
Reply to  Thomas_E

Yes, don’t worry, our Government is in full control of their actions, they know what they are doing, all they want is to do the very best they can to keep us safe and healthy. They are getting their advice by some of the most skilled and intelligent medical people they can possibly find and everything they do is guided by these experts. There is no political agendas at play, its all simply about keeping a dangerous virus under control. Things look a bit strange right now but that’s because silly old Boris is in charge lol! 🙂 When the vaccine is ready it will be perfectly safe as all vaccines are and nobody will be forced to have it. Everybody is tracked all the time now anyway with their mobile phones so don’t worry about this silly passport thing either, its just like having a driving licence or something. Finally with nobody going to work any more we can also stop the planet getting too hot and we can save large parts of the world from going under the sea because of the ice in the North Pole melting. It’s not all bad, commuting to work everyday was unpleasant… Read more »

Thomas_E
Thomas_E
5 years ago
Reply to  Two-Six

Thank you, I already feel better..have to dash, 2 minute of hate against anti-maskers is about to be on BBC,ITV,C4,C5,DAVE,SKY

Rowan
Rowan
5 years ago
Reply to  Thomas_E

She is unmanageable, move out.

HawkAnalyst
HawkAnalyst
5 years ago
Reply to  CGL

Everyone

Please don’t worry

I have not posted on the forum for a very longtime, I directly communicate to Toby and Will.

Our views are important and making a big difference. When I speak with people they tell me they were fooled in March/April and see what has happened in since especially

  • NHS
  • Sweden
  • Carl Heneghan, Sunetra Gupta and Karol Sikora now making a big stand

I have asked Toby to use the Blower dartboard cartoon from 29 July 2020. The government don’t know what they are doing

Even the news coverage have moved look at the BBC with the Newsnight

The Times newspaper, even the readers IF you read the comments.

Apart from Sky News. Sky is begging for hospital admissions (they have to use May footage!). They have been going all over the world for the next horror story, Mexico, Brazil.

Boris thinks 6 months – it won’t last 6 weeks.
People are already going others houses. My next door has people coming and going, will I ring the police? NO

Hang in there.

Rowan
Rowan
5 years ago
Reply to  HawkAnalyst

Those that snitch are asking for a brick through the window.

David Comrie
David Comrie
5 years ago
Reply to  HawkAnalyst

I’ve a window that overlooks Stirling Castle – a former barracks for the Argyll and Southern Highlanders. If they choose, it’d be a battle. My son’s 25 years old, his girlfriend, 24, with future together. Over my f….g corp. If they feel they want to meet that, I’ll be there with, I’m sure, insurmountable numbers.Cough that up, ye wankerati. (Apols. for lang but…).

stewart
stewart
5 years ago

Well, there we have it.

The government has announced its plan to introduce mass surveillance of the population with the excuse of suppressing a not very dangerous virus.

Announced yesterday in the House of Commons by Boris Johnson.

jb12
jb12
5 years ago
Reply to  stewart

As has been pretty evident since at least as far back as April.

Tenchy
Tenchy
5 years ago
Reply to  stewart

What, you mean the T&T rubbish?

karenovirus
5 years ago

I mentioned yesterday that, in addition to ferguson’s dodgy modeling, we ourselves are being modelled as they try to predict and control how we will react to their measures. I remembered this ‘The Trap, What Happened To Our Dream Of Freedom’. (Gogle gives the wiki entry, the episode summaries are well worth reading in full, as the saying goes). Three one hour documentary series which shows the beginnings of the undemocratic mess we find ourselves in. Starting in the cold war with John Nash (A Beautiful Mind) and his F*ck You Buddy game in which the only way to win was to always betray your fellow player. They tested this on their (female) secretaries who all cooperated so the model failed. It was concluded that the secretaries were unfit subjects for the test. The Rosenham Experiment in which hundreds of thousands of Americans were tested by a tick box computer model which concluded that over 50% had mental disorders, a ‘hidden epidemic’. How they developed lists of “psychological symptoms which might indicate anxiety or depression…were being used to normalize human behaviour and make human beings behave more predictably, like robots” (anxiety induced by lockdown, masks ?). How starting under Mrs… Read more »

Laurence
Laurence
5 years ago

CAN WE PLEASE UNDERSTAND PROPERLY WHAT’S HAPPENING IN SPAIN Over the 7 days to 17 September, 683,322 tests were carried out of which 56,785 were positive (8.3%). So you would expect 8.3% of the roughly 1,150 daily deaths in Spain to be tested positive (presumably nearly all people who die would have been tested in the last 28 days), which is 95 people per day, if the COVID virus had no effect whatsoever. In fact, 468 people died with positive tests in the last 7 days (67 per day), a lower proportion than those who had it in the tested sample of the population. SO THE FACT IS THERE IS NO EVIDENCE WHATSOEVER FROM THE OFFICIAL FIGURES OF AN UPTICK IN SPAIN It is not enough to say that the deaths in Spain are below the level of when the pandemic was happening – there is no evidence of an increase in deaths at all from these figures. My guess is there is a minimal uptick as in the UK but there is as yet no evidence in the death numbers. However, the government is turning the military on us, schools are being shut, businesses are being destroyed, cancer patients… Read more »

John
5 years ago
Reply to  Laurence

There is another factor about Spain and that is, despite being very sunny, it has one of the highest rates of vitamin D deficiency in Europe. Which could be significant.

Bart Simpson
Bart Simpson
5 years ago
Reply to  John

I wonder why that is. You would have thought that Spaniards would have one of the lowest rates of Vitamin D deficiency.

Could it be something to do with smoking? Siesta?

stewart
stewart
5 years ago
Reply to  Bart Simpson

In Spain, typically only barmy foreigners are out in the blazing sun. Spaniards generally stay in the shade and come out in the evening when it’s cool. That’s in the summer, anyway.

Bart Simpson
Bart Simpson
5 years ago
Reply to  stewart

I can understand that logic. I come from a country in SE Asia which has the double whammy of heat and humidity – we tend to avoid the sun especially in the summer and during high noon.

ConstantBees
ConstantBees
5 years ago
Reply to  stewart

Same in the US. Most Americans stay inside in their air conditioned homes during the heat of the day. Greatest amount of time outdoors is the dash from the front door to the car.

Rowan
Rowan
5 years ago
Reply to  Bart Simpson

The average Spaniard wears dark clothes and keeps out of the sun. Some of the young are not sun shy, but it is not the young that are not at risk.

Jay Berger
Jay Berger
5 years ago
Reply to  John

If you are forced to wear your mask for hours outside and at the workplace, Covid infections will proliferate and rise, through poor hygiene and through inhaling the exhaled virus particles again.
Simples.

Bart Simpson
Bart Simpson
5 years ago
Reply to  Jay Berger

And if its hot, the sweat will be trapped inside the mask leading not only to trapped particles but a breeding ground for bacteria in the skin to develop into rashes, impetigo, dermatitis, etc.

MRG
MRG
5 years ago
Reply to  Laurence

I wonder if that’s because the test regime is like here: hospital tests and analyses (Pillar 1) are carried out by more qualified labs (and staff) than the (Pillar 2) tests on the general public? Fewer false positives from the hospital tests?

iansn
5 years ago
Reply to  MRG

Hospital tests are done on all admisssions currently COVID suspects or not.I imagine they are all done in the same place, in a regional centre.

karenovirus
5 years ago

Last week a government bossy boots said on Radio 4
“what are supposed to do ? We just want to get them out (of the pubs) before they get so drunk they start falling over each other”.

In my pub going days I would generally arrive at about 9.30pm, have a swift pint, take my time with the second and finish the third* by closing time (then uniformly 11pm in London, 10.30 Sundays).
What cunning plan might I have adopted to foil the governments evil new restrictions ?

*yes I know, ‘problem drinker’ according to to (soon to be replaced by another version of itself) Public Health England.

Silke David
Silke David
5 years ago
Reply to  karenovirus

I live next door to a pub. It does not have much capacity at any time, but a popular courtyard. No-one has been getting excessively drunk since they re-opened, although it is popular with young people and Americans from the nearby airbase.

Cecil B
Cecil B
5 years ago

For covid marshals read brownshirts, roaming the streets beating people up

AN other lockdown sceptic
AN other lockdown sceptic
5 years ago
Reply to  2 pence

When I see ‘Advisor’ on their shirts, I just see ‘Twat’.

Annie
Annie
5 years ago
Reply to  Cecil B

Has anybody here had an encounter with a Covid Womble?

Winston Smith
Winston Smith
5 years ago
Reply to  Cecil B

I would love the the opportunity to reciprocate……..

PastImperfect
5 years ago
Reply to  Cecil B

Talk softly and carry a big stick?

JohnB
JohnB
5 years ago
Reply to  Cecil B

Who pays for these people – local or central gov ?

karenovirus
5 years ago
Reply to  JohnB

Local government

JohnB
5 years ago
Reply to  karenovirus

Thanks karen. So I know who to send my coruscating email to. 🙂

Cheezilla
Cheezilla
5 years ago
Reply to  JohnB

Some local authorities have already said they’ve no money to employ them.

JohnB
5 years ago
Reply to  Cheezilla

🙂

‘no money’ or the vestigial remains of some common sense ?

Rowan
Rowan
5 years ago
Reply to  Cecil B

Covid Marshal is another way of saying snitch.

Rowan
Rowan
5 years ago
Reply to  Cecil B

We are entering even stranger times, it has to stop.

2 pence
2 pence
5 years ago

This is the gelatinous f**kwit you’re supposed to believe today, when he tells you to destroy what’s left of the economy to save Granny. A guy who can’t differentiate between football and rugby.

https://twitter.com/RichieAllenShow/status/1308499902658490369

CGL
CGL
5 years ago
Reply to  2 pence

In my experience Granny doesn’t want her 18 year old grandchildren committing suicide.

Annie
Annie
5 years ago

Heartening to see the slew of well-liked sceptical comments under Farage’s article in the Express.
Calls for a new political party are growing. Could Nigel’s frequently-renamed party take on the job? I have voted for his lot in the past. and would do so again.

The Spingler
The Spingler
5 years ago
Reply to  Annie

I could never vote for any party with a Farage connection. There has to be a better option.

Biker
Biker
5 years ago
Reply to  The Spingler

Let me guess you think he’s racist and blah blah blah. Here’s another of the shills. It’s like shooting fish in a barrel at the moment.

ConstantBees
ConstantBees
5 years ago
Reply to  Biker

Actually I think he’s a flaming asshole who makes me feel like vomiting whenever I hear his voice. Is that better? I know you like being direct.

Bumble
Bumble
5 years ago
Reply to  The Spingler

But there isn’t, that’s the situation we find ourselves in.

Rowan
Rowan
5 years ago
Reply to  The Spingler

Johnson?

ConstantBees
ConstantBees
5 years ago
Reply to  The Spingler

Exactly. I couldn’t vote that way either. A more neutral stance would appeal to more people.

HelzBelz
HelzBelz
5 years ago
Reply to  Annie

What was the gist of Nigel’s reply KH? Interested to know….

HelzBelz
5 years ago
Reply to  HelzBelz

Hmm. Disappointing.

Bumble
Bumble
5 years ago
Reply to  Annie

It’s not really surprising. He must be worn out, physically and mentally and he’s savvy enough to know that he can’t win this one. The time to be on manoevres is when we get a chance to get rid of this lot at the next election (and yes, I know that democracy is suspended at the moment).

Cheezilla
Cheezilla
5 years ago
Reply to  Bumble

We can’t wait till the next election. At things are going, it will be too late in six months.

Suey
Suey
5 years ago
Reply to  Annie

Can we please stop expecting Nigel Farage to do anything. He’s a divisive figure who’s first thought is actually for himself. And why not, now, eh? To all intents and purposes, he’s done what he set out to do. And any second now, he’ll bugger off to the US to help Trump get re-relected.

What we need now is an inspirational figure like Lech Walesa.

Cometh the hour, cometh the (wo)man.

I hope.

Ewan Duffy
5 years ago
Siimo
Siimo
5 years ago
Reply to  Ewan Duffy

I think this is just a co-incidental correlation. Been wearing specs since I was about 10 and it hasn’t put me off touching my face. I suppose there might be some vague thing that you’re less likely to rub eyes, or else people who have myopia but haven’t got glasses/contacts yet will stand closer to others to see, or some link between glasses wearing and being less likely to be in large groups or contact sports?

Cheezilla
Cheezilla
5 years ago
Reply to  Ewan Duffy

276 subjects! Sounds like a bad case of correlation vs causation to me.

Nsklent
Nsklent
5 years ago

So in part of Boris’ speech he stated that if the rules they have set out are not followed they reserve the right to go further- could someone please remind him, the government are there to govern ( clue in the name) not rule by threats.

Barney McGrew
Barney McGrew
5 years ago
Reply to  Nsklent

So further measures will be imposed as a result of a claim that the public are not obeying the existing rules? Rather than whether the virus recedes? You could not get further from liberty and democracy if you tried.

And how are they determining whether people obey the ‘rules’? Carefully-framed photographs in tabloid papers seems to be the answer.

They are perpetrating a sleight of hand: implying that the rules self-evidently work and that a rise in ‘cases’ must mean that rules are not being followed. Rather than the ‘rules’ being flawed and the testing likewise.

matt
5 years ago
Reply to  Barney McGrew

The real sleight of hand is the one that managed to make it established background fact that the virus is bad enough to justify any kind of rules, when the actual evidence says that it isn’t. The establishment scientists are free to explain how non-compliance and loosened restrictions will lead to a rise in infections without ever having to explain why that is less acceptable than the normal functioning of society. They are never challenged on it. Meanwhile, the more sceptical voices are forced into a position where they have to explain why the increase in “cases” isn’t real and that the fictional future projections (not a prediction, remember) don’t reflect reality and are not able to say that maybe it wouldn’t matter so very much even if they did. The ridiculous, fallacious idea that “just one life” has infinite value and that nobody can be allowed to die specifically in this way is at the core of this. The dumb acceptance of it by the population at large, the media and the theoretical mathematicians of SAGE is the problem. We can never get out of this while this persists and while it is genuinely believed in principle that this… Read more »

dpj
dpj
5 years ago
Reply to  matt

It was quite noticeable that unless I missed it no one (dumb & dumber, boris, sturgeon) in last couple of days has mentioned any figures about what age the most vulnerable are, how probably >99% people will not die etc. All we got was some nonsense about only 8% being immune when some scientists are saying it could actually be as high as 70-80%.

Rowan
Rowan
5 years ago
Reply to  matt

I don’t go along with the view that government is simply being stupid. Johnson and the rest of his evil clowns are clearly working to Bill Gate’s depopulation agenda. The coming Covid-19 vaccines are what this is all about and this message has been with us since day one. The (genocidal) vaccines, we will be told, are going to release us from the constant Covid impositions and restrictions. Not all that clever, but the masses are so frightened they will queue for hours. Others will need to be vaccinated simply to work or travel, vaccination by coercion.

Jonathan Palmer
Jonathan Palmer
5 years ago
Reply to  Barney McGrew

The new rules are absurd and will not have any effect on virus transmission only on the ability of businesses to function.I think that is the plan,I expected worse when they rolled out the chuckle brothers but nothing much has changed.The prediction for another lockdown in October seems spot on as they can claim we are still not following the rules and with their fake graphs and dodgy tests manufacture enough evidence and consent for it.

Biker
Biker
5 years ago
Reply to  Nsklent

Tell that to Sturgeon who’s ruled i can’t visit my mother. Who the fuck dos the wee naff think she is?

PastImperfect
5 years ago
Reply to  Biker

Louder than words.

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Basics
Basics
5 years ago
Reply to  PastImperfect

In each picture gates is the dominate person. Body language.

Two-Six
Two-Six
5 years ago
Reply to  Basics

They are both hoping that some of the money that ooooz out of Bill’s skin like a virus will infect them, see how they lean in towards him hoping to get infected with it. They would lick him if they could. Getting him all slimey and covered in dribble.

Rowan
Rowan
5 years ago
Reply to  Basics

Hancock has the worried grin of a man who is way out of his depth, while Gates has the knowing smile of self-satisfaction.

TJN
TJN
5 years ago
Reply to  Biker

In your situation I would have no hesitation whatsoever in visiting my mother. None.

Annie
Annie
5 years ago

Being a compulsive reader, found myself reading the bumff on a Boots pack of face nappies.
They are made in China. That’s where the profits go.
They do not, as we all know, protect the wearer against anything whatsoever.
They can cause allergic reactions.
They are non-compostable and non-recyclable.
They must not be touched, apart from the ear loops.
They have to be binned after a single use.

If – as an estimate – the adult population of Britain is 60 million, and each of them discards one nappy per day (a fair assumption given that some people use old rags, but others use several nappies per day), that’s 420 million items of contaminated waste going into land fill every week.
Think on.

Julian S
Julian S
5 years ago
Reply to  Annie

Being a craven coward I do wear a mask – a disposable one. My act of rebellion is make each one last as long as possible, a month or more. I touch it and adjust it without restraint without sanitising my hands in between. I’m abiding by the letter of the law.

The Spingler
The Spingler
5 years ago
Reply to  Julian S

Last week was my first cowardly act of wearing a mask to the supermarket here in Wales. I found one on Etsy made from a single layer of cheese cloth which is so see through that you can see my mouth through it. The looks on people’s faces were priceless. My mask is very obviously of no use whatsoever which confused the sheep greatly. I was obeying the letter of law but even the most brain dead could see that the mask was pointless. Of course all masks are pointless but mine wasn’t pretending to be anything else. It made me feel slightly better for chickening out and wearing it.

Julian S
Julian S
5 years ago
Reply to  The Spingler

We’re very close to the border here and it was heartbreaking when Wales brought in the masks rule too. It was, literally, a breath of fresh air to shop in Wales. No longer.

I am wary of the possible unforeseen consequences of being a law breaker and how that might impact on future opportunities both in travel and employment.

Jim
Jim
5 years ago
Reply to  Julian S

You better wait a bit longer until there are no jobs and you’re banned from ever leaving your house.

Kf99
Kf99
5 years ago
Reply to  Julian S

R4 news this morning something like “there will now need to be close scrutiny of the extra measures in Scotland to see what difference they make”

So what “close scrutiny” did we have of the unmasked period in Wales?

We have a perfect mask experiment but is anyone analysing the data?

JohnB
JohnB
5 years ago
Reply to  Julian S

You’re not a lawbreaker, you are exempt.

ConstantBees
ConstantBees
5 years ago
Reply to  JohnB

That’s what I was going to say. I carry my exemption card and wave it at people. Haven’t been hassled by anyone official yet. One asshole passenger on the bus, but no one official.

Saved To Death
Saved To Death
5 years ago
Reply to  Julian S

There is nothing more dangerous right now to the nation and its people then those that will follow any law.

Thinkaboutit
Thinkaboutit
5 years ago
Reply to  The Spingler

At the beginning of this madness pics were posted of women in crochet masks…that looked like a fishing net. My how we laughed. I might dig out a pattern and make one.

Winston Smith
Winston Smith
5 years ago
Reply to  Julian S

You are part of the problem pal..

Biker
Biker
5 years ago
Reply to  Winston Smith

more shills than you can shake a mask at now bro now.

MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG
Reply to  Biker

Quite right, who are these posts supposed to be for? Wearing a mask (unless absolutely unavoidable e.g. in a health setting where you would be refused treatment without it) is an act of collaboration. No crochet, no cheesecloth, no Swedish flags. No mask, full stop.

Claiming exemption is simple and effective; you do not even have to pretend to have a disability. MW

Winston Smith
Winston Smith
5 years ago

We all need to stop collaborating!

Bumble
Bumble
5 years ago
Reply to  Annie

Yes, the anti plastic brigade have gone very quiet once they realised that 99% of PPE is plastic.

Bart Simpson
Bart Simpson
5 years ago
Reply to  Annie

I’ve noticed that even with cloth masks – many of them are made in China too.

Of course there are some that are made here but the fabric itself would have come from China or any other developing country.

Very spot on about the environmental damage, there has been reports about wildlife being caught in them and the masks themselves contaminating whatever they come into contact with.

The masks are a bigger hazard than single use plastic and yet nowt a peep from those supposedly concerned with the environment.

Why is that?

wendyk
wendyk
5 years ago
Reply to  Bart Simpson

The local pavements are littered with the wretched things,and as for sanitiser: plastic bottles full of the stuff are replicating, along with latex gloves.

so much for reduce,reuse, recycle.

Bart Simpson
Bart Simpson
5 years ago
Reply to  wendyk

Ditto – when I do my local walks I see loads of the blasted muzzles, not so much gloves now so that’s some improvement.

The other day, on my way to work one of the seats in the underground was being avoided as it had a pile of sanitiser on it. Must have spilled over from someone’s bottle.

Concern for the environment has gone out of the window.

Biker
Biker
5 years ago
Reply to  Annie

Everything is made in China because the evil bastards that rule over the braindead people want to use the poor Chinese as slaves to make cheap pish no one needs. They have also used them to put out of Business almost everyone else in manufacturing. The people at the top of the tree are laughing their fat asses at as. Maybe if the EU had prevented the communists of China selling in our markets we wouldn’t be in this mess.

ConstantBees
ConstantBees
5 years ago
Reply to  Biker

They had America sewed up years ago. All US manufacturing long gone. The EU was just an add-on for the Chinese.

GiftWrappedKittyCat
GiftWrappedKittyCat
5 years ago
Reply to  Annie

It’s not just the masks either, other stupid ‘Covid secure’ nonsense is creating just as much excess plastic waste. I don’t drive so for a few years now I’ve had my shopping delivered. It’s been bag free for a while now until the virus bollocks hit. Every week now the shopping is delivered in at least 20 carrier bags, some with only one small item in.
Last week I visited a cafe for a cuppa and a cake. I was sitting in but the cake came in a plastic box. It was a deliciously heavily iced cupcake so rather messy to eat without a fork. I asked for a plate and fork only to be told that they didn’t have them. It’s a cafe FFS. The waitress did then bring me a pile of paper napkins and a plastic fork. There was no recycling of these with everything going into one bin. The environmental cost of this pandemic is huge, yet somehow deemed acceptable.

MiriamW-sometimes-AlanG

People we speak to have agreed with us about this, too. Hairdressers are required to use disposable aprons and towels – at great expense – and the recycling stations that used to be in local supermarkets for things like toothpaste tubes and batteries have disappeared. Another issue that fails to make any sense. MW

Cheezilla
Cheezilla
5 years ago

I’ve never understood the disposable towels rule. Towels can be hotwashed very easily, so shouldn’t be a problem.
I guess it proves that the rule-makers haven’t a clue what they’re talking about.

Bart Simpson
Bart Simpson
5 years ago

Well said. My workplace has spent so much money on cloths, antibacterial spray, antibac wipes, gloves, etc. Out of principle I refuse to use the wipes and am unable to use the gloves and the chemicals from the spray are causing the lettering in the interpretation panels to flake off.

At some point they will have to replace the panels at great cost when we should not have been cleaning them in the first place.

Siimo
Siimo
5 years ago
Reply to  Annie

It’s been interesting to observe round where I live that in recent weeks the litter louts have been dropping not only the nasty blue things but now ‘nice’ cloth and patterned ones too. How delightful for someone’s cat, or threatened species like hedgehogs to deal with, especially as nobody will pick them up and take to a proper bin.

Bart Simpson
Bart Simpson
5 years ago
Reply to  Siimo

Yep. Saw a few “fetching” cloth ones while walking in Hampstead Heath, feel sorry for the birds and small mammals that could get trapped in them.

Seansaighdeoir
Seansaighdeoir
5 years ago

No surprise to see Chivers wading in on the govt side. I can remember him from the old telegraph blogs advocating censorship before that idea had even taken off.

Same with his blind loyalty to darwinian evolution.

Nick Rose
5 years ago
Reply to  Seansaighdeoir

Blind loyalty to manmade climate change too

guy153
5 years ago
Reply to  Seansaighdeoir

I read his article rather quickly with a view to putting him right in his comments section if necessary. But actually it’s pretty reasonable. It’s important to get the argument straight and not rely on claims one doesn’t need to make a point that can be more easily attacked. The facts are that the vast majority of the government tests are false positives, but also that prevalence is going up a bit, as we can tell from the ONS. If the real prevalence goes up that will probably have a dent on the government tests too. But we wouldn’t know that without the ONS as a reference. The government data is complete junk because they are inconsistent about whom they sample and don’t even appear to record things like how many positives were asymptomatic. It also makes a mockery of T&T when you consider that the people they’re “tracking” are about 2% or less of the really infected people out there. The main point is that an epidemic is like a firework. If it’s smouldering along, as it was all summer, it’s either because you’ve just lit it and it’s a bit damp and not getting started, or it’s because… Read more »

swedenborg
swedenborg
5 years ago
Reply to  guy153

I also found Chiver’s article reasonable. His reasoning that true cases might be increasing as well as the mess of false positive and he is really not denying that other URI could mess up things. The only real objection is in the end with the usual mantra of SD being effective etc and not going into the obvious that sheltering the elderly in the only option to try. SD will only postpone the reckoning and could in the end increase the death tolls in the elderly.

Covid 1984 Information Centre
Covid 1984 Information Centre
5 years ago

Unexplained excess deaths at home almost nine times higher than those from Covid
ONS figures spark concern that many are failing to get treatment for serious conditions as coronavirus crisis continues
Daily Telegraph

6097 Smith W
6097 Smith W
5 years ago

save the NHS
Die at home

ConstantBees
ConstantBees
5 years ago
Reply to  6097 Smith W

Certainly my intention. Won’t ever get near them again by choice.

Bumble
Bumble
5 years ago

What’s the problem ? The NHS has been protected. Those people have done their bit.

Covid 1984 Information Centre
Covid 1984 Information Centre
5 years ago

HUGO RIFKIND

Cheer up — it won’t be as bad as last time

The new limits on personal freedom will be more of a hassle than a horror because we’ve come through worse already

Hugo Rifkind

Tuesday September 22 2020, 12.01am, The Times

HUGO RIFKIND – Britain’s Greatest Optimist

6097 Smith W
6097 Smith W
5 years ago

but of course they are now permanent

Mark II
Mark II
5 years ago
Reply to  6097 Smith W

And in less than two weeks time the tits in charge will have accused us of not following the rules and somehow see that as justification for further rules… They’ll be coming after team sports again next, that well known Vector of ill health – physical exercise… Don’t be surprised to see some hateful 5mile limit placed on us all just to copy sturgeon and wales when they’re both doing that again

Speaking of which, I feel we should all offer Nicky sturgeon a big congratulations, she’s done so well out of this having subjected Scotland to a longer and stricter lockdown than the rest of the UK claiming itd be worth it and they’d benefit from it, she’s now gone into mor restrict measures before rest of UK – totally worth it Nicky and clear evidence of how effective those measures are.

Barney McGrew
Barney McGrew
5 years ago
Reply to  Mark II

Yes, living in Scotland is still like this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k7scMC7YSDQ

Mark II
Mark II
5 years ago
Reply to  Barney McGrew

😂 I was in Edinburgh to visit a friend a couple of weeks back and it wasn’t too bad then, but when he mentioned that he couldn’t travel 5miles from home for lockdown so was basically confined to the city despite there being such glorious mountain scenery that could be safely enjoyed nearby I realised what a fucking nightmare she had inflicted on Scots… That she has widespread support still despite what she’s doing, beggars belief.

Seansaighdeoir
Seansaighdeoir
5 years ago

Equals give up your liberties, don’t see your families, let the govt control every aspect of your lives, its all fine. Be happy pigs and the farmer may give you some extra oats just before slaughter day.

Wilful ignorance.

nightspore
nightspore
5 years ago

I can think of better descriptors, beginning with “useful idiot”. I wonder if he also applauded when the BLM crowd were pulling down of statues, like Matthew Parris did a few months ago.

(At least it’s nice to see that my earlier misgivings about both of these birds have been confirmed.)

Cheezilla
Cheezilla
5 years ago

Greatest idiot, it would seem.

JoeBlogg
5 years ago

Is it coincidence that Charles has mentioned that governments must adopt a “warlike footing” to avoid “an ultimate reckoning for our abuse of nature,” in his Climate speech. He went on to say we need a “Marshall-like plan”

2 pence
2 pence
5 years ago
Reply to  JoeBlogg

22 Jan 2020

With 2020 being seen as the ‘super year’ kick-starting a decade of action, HRH Prince of Wales states, “In order to secure our future and to prosper, we need to evolve our economic model … to move forward, we need nothing short of a paradigm shift, one that inspires action at revolutionary levels and pace.”

https://www.weforum.org/press/2020/01/hrh-prince-of-wales-announces-10-point-plan-and-sustainable-markets-initiative-to-kickstart-decade-of-delivery-at-the-world-economic-forum-annual-meeting-2020-e5f9d4ecee

JoeBlogg
5 years ago
Reply to  2 pence

“In order to secure MY future and to prosper, I need to evolve YOUR economic model … to move forward, YOU need nothing short of a paradigm shift, one that inspires action at revolutionary levels and pace.”

Such a twat!

2 pence
2 pence
5 years ago
Reply to  JoeBlogg

Prince of Wales has created a Sustainable Markets Council comprising leaders from the public, private and philanthropic sectors. The council serves as a “brain trust” to build a global movement of leaders working to transition the world to genuinely sustainable markets and a net-zero global economy. 

https://www.sustainable-markets.org/council

Bumble
Bumble
5 years ago
Reply to  2 pence

When he stops flying around in a helicopter, I’ll start listening. Hope he hasnlt inherited his parents’ longevity.

B Boru
B Boru
5 years ago
Reply to  Bumble

Nothing a good rusty guillotine blade wouldn’t sort out!

Two-Six
Two-Six
5 years ago
Reply to  2 pence

Yer Julia HB……..I won’t retract my last statement.

Cheezilla
Cheezilla
5 years ago
Reply to  JoeBlogg

He was primed at Davos recently.

Barney McGrew
Barney McGrew
5 years ago

JHB talking to Delingpole yesterday, said something like

“Unlike you, James, I’ve never been one of those people who said carry on as normal; don’t wear a mask; don’t socially distance; have wild parties. I’ve never been of that view. I’m not a tinfoil hat wearer…

The irony is almost too much to bear. Julia, listen to yourself. You are saying these words while literally advocating the wearing of a ‘tinfoil’ mask to ward off invisible death particles!

It’s at about 2:39.00
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8S6dsEkyHHw

Covid 1984 Information Centre
Covid 1984 Information Centre
5 years ago
Reply to  Barney McGrew

It was ridiculous.

If Vallance and Whitty had said the science is unclear whether wearing a tinfoil hats help protect you from the disease, but you must wear one, she’d be sitting there in a tinfoil hat.

Mark II
Mark II
5 years ago

I honestly think in 10/15yrs this time of face coverings will be looked back on with same derision as tin foil hats, but for now they are the ultimate signal of virtue and their wearers can’t see the hypocracy

JohnB
JohnB
5 years ago
Reply to  Mark II

Only twits look at tin foil hats with derision. Or worse, those who’ve accepted the msm propaganda.

  • One can buy Faraday cages for one’s phone on Amazon.
  • France has banned wifi in nurseries, and severely restricted it in junior schools.
  • People with electro-magnetic sensitivity use metal-weave blankets for relief.
  • MI5 line their office with ‘tin-foil’.
JohnB
5 years ago
Reply to  JohnB

Seem to remember reading something along those lines when they were building their new temple hq by the Thames. Sorry, I didn’t keep track – probably highly classified by now. 🙂 When the US embassy in Moscow was being bombarded by microwaves (1980s ?) might also be relevant.

They had to do something special to the windows too, as window vibrations are apparently translatable into speech. I kid you not.

Steve Martindale
Steve Martindale
5 years ago

In the DM there is an article which includes a pie chart showing that 45% of new infections are coming from care homes;
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8761215/London-police-blast-Boris-Johnsons-new-rules-absurd-nonsense.html
I have not seen this information published anywhere else and DM do not give much supporting detail.
Is this figure correct? does anyone know where this information came from?
If around half of all new infections are care home related? it does rather beg some questions.

Steve Martindale
Steve Martindale
5 years ago

It looks like PHE wrote to care home providers as per this item;
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-54137078
All very odd.
Care homes or death houses? It was not quite the policy I was expecting to find as an answer to the cost of adult social care!

Saved To Death
Saved To Death
5 years ago

They have and will face no consequences. Why wouldn’t they continue with what has worked to kill the vulnerable and destroy the nation.

ConstantBees
ConstantBees
5 years ago
Reply to  Saved To Death

Exactly. It worked so well the first time, why not do it again? And blame the public for it. Again.

Bumble
Bumble
5 years ago

We are not killing granny, the government is.

Jonathan Palmer
Jonathan Palmer
5 years ago

It worked for them once why not again.Win win,gets rid of the useless eaters and bumps up the death rate.We are governed by power crazy psychopaths.

Cheezilla
Cheezilla
5 years ago

Last week, hospitals were ordered to “clear” ready for a tsunami of covid cases and the fact that covid is a nosocomial disease, despite de Piffle and his henchment tring to convince us otherwise.

The scathing comments by the police chiefs are encouraging, as is this:
MP for Telford Lucy Allen even went as far to tweet ‘our collective health is not at risk’, flying in the face of the PM’s main message to the country.

Mark II
Mark II
5 years ago

Far and away the 2 most infuriating parts to the blonde bollocks latest verbal vomit session, more infuriating even than him attempted to blame us all for him doing this to us again are: 1. His claim the only sensible option of protecting the most vulnerable won’t work cos eventually the virus would reach them anyway. This because it is basically him admitting lockdowns don’t work, as if he can’t even have confidence a lockdown of a small population of society would work, then why persist with bothering is all. Media won’t pick up on this admission 2. That he has failed to lay out any sort of plan whatsoever yet again and again I see no mainstream media picking him up on it. I see plenty of hysterical boobs claiming we all ‘must’ go into national lockdown for some reason (their real selfish self preservation attitude coming to the fore) but none asking what his actual plan is. He attempts to give the illusion of a plan by whacking a whopping great 6 months time frame in this shite but where are his performance indicators? Where’s the expected outcomes from these interventions that would so enable us to relax… Read more »

karenovirus
5 years ago
Reply to  Mark II

I know johnsons rallying call to the nation is posted all over the place but I just can’t bring myself to watch it.
Bit like anything with hancock in it.

Mark II
Mark II
5 years ago
Reply to  karenovirus

Couldn’t watch it cos just hearing that man now makes me angry, but just about managed to read through it all instead. Needed to know whether the birthday weekend away to Wales (where 7 of us attend as 2 under 12s) for my mum’s birthday has been torpedoed or not — what a ridiculous thing to even have to check! How far we’ve fallen 🙁

JohnB
JohnB
5 years ago
Reply to  Mark II

If you’re checking, they’ve already won.

Mark II
Mark II
5 years ago
Reply to  JohnB

Were you not aware they’ve ‘won’ already? It wouldn’t be much of a victory to show up at the accommodation without checking and be turned away cos there’s 7 of us…

JohnB
5 years ago
Reply to  Mark II

Won already my arse.

Didn’t realise accommodation was involved though. It is indeed a ridiculous thing to have to check.

Rowan
Rowan
5 years ago
Reply to  JohnB

If the hotel is happy to lose seven customers, then that’s there loss.

Rowan
Rowan
5 years ago
Reply to  karenovirus

Half an hour of Hancock, a fate worse than death.

Jules
Jules
5 years ago
Reply to  Mark II

The man and his Cabinet are a criminal gang. I wonder how close to total meltdown we are? I suspect that calling in the troops to keep us in line may mean we are closer to shortages and people going hungry than we think.

Rowan
Rowan
5 years ago
Reply to  Jules

Shortages are on the way and may well be intentional. However, when the time comes there will be no shortage of Gates’s genocidal witches brew, that should give us a real shot in the arm.

Sylvie
Sylvie
5 years ago
Reply to  Rowan

Brexit was indeed intentional, queues of 7,000 lorries held in 29 lorry parks within a customs border zone in Kent will not be helpful in delivering lettuce to supermarkets on time.

Olive
Olive
5 years ago

Listening to the JHB programme. The former chair of BMA is holding all out for a vaccine and that all liberties should be curtailed till then. I simply cannot understand that viewpoint, especially over such a relatively low lethal disease…….

Nic
Nic
5 years ago
Reply to  Olive

Hes retired plenty of money it doesent effect him , I listened and thought he was a pompous pratt

B Boru
B Boru
5 years ago
Reply to  Olive

Because he’s a member of The Death Cult.

See once you accept the fact that this is what they are, all those questions are answered

Emily Tock
Emily Tock
5 years ago

Martin Kulldorff posted this piece from City Journal by John Tiernan on Twitter: https://www.city-journal.org/achieving-herd-immunity#.X2qP1wlxEBJ.twitter

steve_w
5 years ago

If we think saving lives is worth loss of liberty then

1 – ban smoking (80,000 per year)
2 – ban abortion (200,000 per year)

I don’t by the way

Mark II
Mark II
5 years ago
Reply to  steve_w

The thing is a lot of the people who really advocate lockdown etc do also think smoking and alcohol should be banned for the reason above.

As a non drinker and non smoker I find the idea of banning them appalling and continue to be amazed by how many people don’t want others to be able to choose their own pleasures in life.

steve_w
5 years ago
Reply to  Mark II

I bet Devi Sridhar wants to ban smoking but not abortion because she’s so woke

dpj
dpj
5 years ago
Reply to  Mark II

I think we need to get the right balance between health and allowing people to live their lives and banning anyone from visiting family and friends in their homes for anywhere between 3 weeks & 6 months to protect 0.02% of population is crossing a line. This is especially worse when a large number of those vulnerable people would prefer to take chance and see their grandchildren rather than die a lonely death.

steve_w
5 years ago
Reply to  dpj

It should be a personal risk assessment for everyone

Suzyv
Suzyv
5 years ago
Reply to  dpj

We need these kind of people to talk to others of the same age. To even be at Trafalgar Square if they can manage it. To push some leaflets etc and of course to throw their filthy masks away!

Bart Simpson
Bart Simpson
5 years ago
Reply to  dpj

If someone says that I always ask them why aren’t supermarket workers catching the virus and dropping like flies.

I never get a reply to that.

Kate X
5 years ago
Reply to  Bart Simpson

Since the pandemic began I have checked this with the till operators every time I go into a supermarket. None of them have infections in the shops.

People have got to use the evidence of their own eyes and ears rather than just believing what they are told.

Bart Simpson
Bart Simpson
5 years ago
Reply to  Kate X

Exactly. As several supermarket staff has told me, no-one in their branches has been off sick since this madness began.

No infections, no spikes and they’ve not been using PPE either.

Annie
Annie
5 years ago
Reply to  dpj

Because your grannies are going home and killing their grannies.

Two-Six
Two-Six
5 years ago
Reply to  Mark II

And Recreational Drugs, they have been banned for ages.

mhcp
mhcp
5 years ago
Reply to  steve_w

It’s a null argument. We have happily accepted losing lives for liberty for years and years. So all of sudden we change?

We should never have locked down because as is apparent it is extremely hard to extracate yourself.

You build contingency and deal with the risk. Think what would our standing in the world be now if our economy had taken the smallest dip in GDP. Think about how the pound would be against say the Euro?

No. We pissed that away for some astrological models.

Just pray that in some industries, validating and verifying stuff to be safe to use still goes on.

JohnB
JohnB
5 years ago
Reply to  mhcp

I’ve not seen any competent astrologers suggesting we should lockdown. Link ?

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Basics
Basics
5 years ago

Please don’t bother with the words not spamming. You have clearly been making a great deal of effort to get these podcasts out. Just because you add a link with a logo does not mean spam. Adding a short description on each podcast as you have about bill and ben today is good. Keep up the good work Real Normal.

THE REAL NORMAL PODCAST
Reply to  Basics

Thanks man! Will do. I’ve emailed the guys at LS but I imagine they get loads of emails. We’ll see what happens!

James Leary #KBF
5 years ago

They’re a v good bunch. Bedwetters was more eye-catching though!

Cheezilla
Cheezilla
5 years ago
Reply to  John

Good grief, is Vallance wearing his wife’s knickers on his face?

TJN
TJN
5 years ago

There’s not much I can do personally to stop this shitshow. And in a direct challenge between individual and the State there is only one winner.

But every day, in every way I can think of – patiently, stoically, unflinchingly – I am going to be doing all I can to subvert it.

JohnB
JohnB
5 years ago
Reply to  TJN

And in a direct challenge between individual and the State there is only one winner.

However in a direct challenge between the people and the state, there is only one winner. 🙂

TJN
TJN
5 years ago
Reply to  JohnB

Yes, but 100% muzzle compliance when I was in the shops this morning, me excepted.

JohnB
5 years ago
Reply to  TJN

In time, they’ll come to realise how stupid they’re being and how stupid they look. And we’ll have won.

If you sit by the river long enough, the bodies of all your enemies will float by …

Steven F
Steven F
5 years ago
Reply to  TJN

Me too, mate. Even at the cost of the goodwill of my family and ex-friends. This is becoming a lonely life but I know I’m right.

steve_w
5 years ago

Sweden is the one to watch. Same disease progression as UK.

So, one of
1 – voluntary social distancing has the same effect as lockdown
2 – herd immunity achieved
3 – it was stopped by Spring coming
4 – deaths plummeted in Sweden as they learned how to protect the vulnerable after a poor start

In the Ferguson model, 90% of Swedes are susceptible still, they will see a second wave starting in Autumn and it will progress through Winter to meet his 100,000 deaths, Spring won’t come soon enough to stop it and they will have to lock down.

Annie
Annie
5 years ago
Reply to  steve_w

We shall see.
Ferguson won’t, his eyes don’t work.

Tim Bidie
Tim Bidie
5 years ago

‘Impossible to protect the most vulnerable, care homes..’ The latest cry of the lockdown zealots (they seem incapable of research or, more likely, just don’t want hear it!) Complete nonsense! One word: Japan ‘Japan has the world’s oldest population, with an average age of 47 and a life expectancy of more than 81 years. More than 28 percent of its residents are over the age of 65, ahead of Italy in second place with 23 percent..’ ‘In Japan, 14 percent of the deaths have been in elder-care facilities. That is compared with more than 40 percent in the United States..despite a lower proportion of U.S. seniors living in nursing homes.’ ‘Japan’s elderly care facilities have taken great care in protecting the elderly, not just from this virus but from norovirus, influenza and other germs,” said Kayoko Hayakawa, an infectious-disease specialist…’ This is not a coronavirus crisis in Britain, but it is a care home crisis! In Japan, care home workers are in virtual lockdown, not the entire country: ‘…manager Takao Furusawa says he owes a huge debt of gratitude to staff members who have basically put their own lives on hold so they don’t bring the virus in. “They have… Read more »

Bumble
Bumble
5 years ago
Reply to  Tim Bidie

A much cheaper solution for the economy as a whole would be to offer large bonuses, say 1k per week to care home staff to live in while everyone gets it outside. Not everyone could do it, for family reasons, but at least the patients would be safer and be able to have some human interaction. I am aware of some homes that did this in the UK and they have had no outbreaks.

Mark II
Mark II
5 years ago
Reply to  Bumble

Indeed and the idea of care home staff being paid double or something to live in was mooted right at the beginning but for some reason dismissed by the gov, who have now spent far more on the shambles instead

Steve Martindale
Steve Martindale
5 years ago
Reply to  Tim Bidie

When this government said they were going to solve the problem of adult social elderly care costs, I never imagined they had this sort of ‘final solution’ mind!

wendyk
wendyk
5 years ago

RIP Scotland; life is now in the dead zone.

https://www.thecourier.co.uk/fp/news/local/dundee/1596259/tayside-and-fife-jobs-at-risk-as-hotel-and-restaurant-group-plans-mass-redundancies/

And another example of the carnage now being inflicted: until this month, my gas and electricity have been supplied by Ebico, a small but successful not-for-profit enterprise run jointly with Nottingham City Council, aimed at helping folk on low incomes.

Alas, the venture is no longer financially viable and has now been taken over by British Gas,with the result that the Ebico workforce will be made redundant.

The customer service has always been excellent,with prompt and helpful advice provided whenever needed.

What chance will these young people now have of finding decent secure employment in the current climate?

I despair, I’m angry ,disgusted, isolated and essentially disenfranchised,like many hundreds of thousands of others.